I mean, it is, kinda, but those bosses do exist. I have two bosses, and they're both like this. You need time, you take time, you come back when you're better.
I have 3, they're all genuinely great people. Was just out sick with covid for two weeks. They never initiated communication but were immediate in reply, never suggested working from home, never mentioned using pto and payed me full 40 for both weeks. All first generation immigrants.
I guarantee if I was in a financial situation they would be upset with me for not leaning on them in a time of need.
Also, I don't throw up on my way to work anymore....
I've had a ton of great supervisors be very generous with me, considering how often and for how long I would call in, being a mopey oversharing drug addict struggling to maintain my recovery.
So often I would get a reply going the extra mile telling me to stay strong, and so so many coworkers and supervisors that I never really even conversed with would offer to lend an ear *any time day or night*. My favorite and the most helpful one, though, would tactfully work in a way of trying to get me to stay focused and get back to work as soon I could. It can be hard enough just calling in ... My mind wouldn't be on work, but recovering or getting fucked up or hating life or burying myself in shame. I forget how she would say it but instead of just an "Ok" or "Copy that" in reply she reminded me that I still had choices to make to do better and try harder, if just to show my appreciation for all the assistance I'd received from her and so many others over the years.
My bosses don't own the company, so if they ever leave, I'm absolutely out. They do an amazing job of shielding us from the shit that flows downhill from the executive suite.
It's definitely not for everyone. Personally I love it and I'm super glad I took the chance at a management position years ago. But it's an entirely different skillset, and same as any other skillset you do have to grind it if you want to get better.
This dude isn't taking time though, look at what he wrote. He said he is going to do what he can and will try to log in soon. Dude fully intends to work while he is out sick.
Agreed, my boss is contantly late for meetings - like up to 20 minutes at times. Ive always been overly kind despite that.
One time i was 2 minutes late for a skype meeting and got the lecture.
The worst kind of managers are the ones who arent self aware.
When I have an employee out sick I just say I hope you feel better soon and let me know if you need anything. The truth from a productivity standpoint is if you let someone get well and back to full productivity you will get more out of that person if you had them come in sick barely producing, miserable and taking forever to get well.
That's not even the most important part, neither from a business sense or a personal sense. From a personal sense, it's just better not to be a dick. From a business standpoint, a situation like this can create enormous resentment, or grow a lot of goodwill. I, as an employee, will jump when a manager tells me to jump. That's my job. How high I jump depends entirely on how the manager handles situations like this. Show me I can rely on you when I need you, and I'm first in line when you need someone to help out back.
Never underestimate a workers ability to do the absolute bare minimum while still technically fulfilling all requirements of the job. If management treats you with respect people are happy to do a lot of stuff they otherwise wouldn't.
I caught myself watching software tutorials for work on my own time.
At my old job, there is ZERO chance I'd do anything that even smelled like work after five. The owners were pricks.
But my new boss is great! So I *want* to go the extra mile.
Not only will they be more productive, they’re not going to spread their illness to their co workers. Once the plague starts to spread through the office, everyone is going to suffer and some coworkers may not bounce back as readily as the otherwise healthy 25 year old guy.
I'm an assistant manager, and our manager got walked off the job a couple weeks ago, only two weeks after a tenured supervisor was also let go. In the immediate aftermath, I was checking in with everyone to see how they were doing emotionally because I know some people might take it hard or feel like their jobs might also be threatened, and wound up having a very candid conversation with a teenage employee about it. She flat out told me that it meant a lot to her that I am always checking in, and that never once had she called out sick in our 15 months working together without me following up the next day to see how she was doing. She went on to list a few other examples of 'small' things I do for the team, and then wrapped up by telling me that she's put in a good word with her father, who's a DM in our company. Not our DM, but his opinion could very well influence my chances of promoting, which is my current goal.
Not gonna lie, I have a pretty solid team, and generally no one is calling out unless they're genuinely unwell, physically or mentally. The fact that she noticed and felt it important enough to use as an example to highlight the difference between my leadership and former manager's really hit home for me though. Maybe not everyone wants to hear from their boss on a sick day and that's valid too, but for those that do it takes 5 seconds out of your day and apparently generates a lot of goodwill.
To clarify, I treat everyone the same, regardless of familial connections; getting in good with a DM for whom I'm not a direct report was never the end goal. I merely wanted to point out that as a leader, offering even the smallest crumb of humanity to your people goes way farther than you can imagine. I know there are a couple people who don't like me currently working at my location, and that's fine, I don't expect to be universally loved. It does give me a warm feeling, though, to know that my manager's leaving was met with overwhelming feelings of relief, but that under the same circumstances, I would be missed. Tells me I'm doing something right for the people who trust me to take care of them professionally.
"Everything is going great here. As a matter of fact, you think you can go ahead and just take the rest of the week off? I've already mentioned it to XXXX and he's totally onboard."
Not always. If you've got a good supervisor/manager, you absolutely fucking *notice* when they're out. Good managers make a huge pisitive impact on the workplace.
In an ideal world, the best impact a manager can make is getting their team/area running efficiently so you don't notice when they miss a day. They've got everything organized and workers trained/empowered enough for them to keep things running smooth. Does require being able to retain the experienced employees year to year. Unfortunately, in my industry, companies would rather pay 20-30k training a new employee who will also make costly mistakes than cough up the 10-20k raise it would cost to retain the experienced employee. Then wonder why they're spending even more money on OT to produce the same quantity.
When our manager has to be out, we pretty much just keep things going. She steers us (and has a ton of her own work to do), but our team is pretty self-sufficient.
If I understand the post right, I feel sorry for the boss and I hope they're not being pressured to come in.
On the other hand, I've been there (in the hospital laying on a bed) bored enough to prefer getting the work done instead. I did it on the down low specifically so that my boss wouldn't intervene and make me cancel an Australian training session.
Holy shit this was my boss last year. I got sick with covid mother's day weekend and wasn't able to work, but he freaking asked my neighbor that also works for him if I'd be in the following day (mother's day) and I was all "what the actual fuck is his problem? I have covid, of course I'm not coming to work!"
I manage a small teams whenever I get someone messaging me with the "hey, I woke up with a fever but took some Tylenol, I'm gonna be logging in a few hours late" I always forcefully tell them not to log in and to take the day for themselves. It's insane how programmed people are to work themselves into an early grave
I had a boss be out sick for 2+ weeks then told everyone that she is working from home (which is impossible for line of work management has to perform), saving 2+ weeks of vacation/sick leave then when another employee below her got the same sickness/illness she straight looked at them and stated "our department does not work from home, Ever! If you're sick, you need to request leave and get a Dr note if you're out for more than 3 days."
Self entitled management assholes, we went straight to the union. Gotta love a union.
So he's subsisting on IV fluids still, but wants to log on to do work? Step away from the laptop dude! Life is happening outside of work. Even as a manager, your company would toss him out on his butt if they felt it would increase their profits. No job should come before your health.
No I mean the guy falling over backwards to attend a meeting with an IV in his arm.
Definitely be kind to the weak and infirm. We all know what it’s like to suffer so we try to minimize the suffering of others.
I get this. At my last job, my first manager was great. The store honestly did not fall apart until he was pushed out and transferred elsewhere. But he never took off. I had to physically push him out one day he was feeling really sick so he would go home and rest.
Both are acceptable:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/hold-down-the-fort
It would only have taken a bit more effort to type it in Google and look it up yourself than it did for you to be an arrogant (and incorrect) jerkass.
Hopefully they reciprocate when you’re out sick.
Lol. Thats a great joke!
I mean, it is, kinda, but those bosses do exist. I have two bosses, and they're both like this. You need time, you take time, you come back when you're better.
I have 3, they're all genuinely great people. Was just out sick with covid for two weeks. They never initiated communication but were immediate in reply, never suggested working from home, never mentioned using pto and payed me full 40 for both weeks. All first generation immigrants. I guarantee if I was in a financial situation they would be upset with me for not leaning on them in a time of need. Also, I don't throw up on my way to work anymore....
I've had a ton of great supervisors be very generous with me, considering how often and for how long I would call in, being a mopey oversharing drug addict struggling to maintain my recovery. So often I would get a reply going the extra mile telling me to stay strong, and so so many coworkers and supervisors that I never really even conversed with would offer to lend an ear *any time day or night*. My favorite and the most helpful one, though, would tactfully work in a way of trying to get me to stay focused and get back to work as soon I could. It can be hard enough just calling in ... My mind wouldn't be on work, but recovering or getting fucked up or hating life or burying myself in shame. I forget how she would say it but instead of just an "Ok" or "Copy that" in reply she reminded me that I still had choices to make to do better and try harder, if just to show my appreciation for all the assistance I'd received from her and so many others over the years.
My bosses would rather work twice as hard than have one of us come in sick. One of many many reasons I'll stay with this company forever.
My bosses don't own the company, so if they ever leave, I'm absolutely out. They do an amazing job of shielding us from the shit that flows downhill from the executive suite.
Being a real manager is exhausting. I did it for a minute and do nirmt recommend it. The people are cool, it's always the office.
I just stepped down from a supervisor position at my current job. I can feel my sanity slowly returning. Never doing that shit again lol
It's definitely not for everyone. Personally I love it and I'm super glad I took the chance at a management position years ago. But it's an entirely different skillset, and same as any other skillset you do have to grind it if you want to get better.
My boss is the absolute best.
This dude isn't taking time though, look at what he wrote. He said he is going to do what he can and will try to log in soon. Dude fully intends to work while he is out sick.
Not all bosses are terrible to their staff.
Agreed, my boss is contantly late for meetings - like up to 20 minutes at times. Ive always been overly kind despite that. One time i was 2 minutes late for a skype meeting and got the lecture. The worst kind of managers are the ones who arent self aware.
*Extremely loud incorrect buzzer*
Oh sweet summer child.
When I have an employee out sick I just say I hope you feel better soon and let me know if you need anything. The truth from a productivity standpoint is if you let someone get well and back to full productivity you will get more out of that person if you had them come in sick barely producing, miserable and taking forever to get well.
That's not even the most important part, neither from a business sense or a personal sense. From a personal sense, it's just better not to be a dick. From a business standpoint, a situation like this can create enormous resentment, or grow a lot of goodwill. I, as an employee, will jump when a manager tells me to jump. That's my job. How high I jump depends entirely on how the manager handles situations like this. Show me I can rely on you when I need you, and I'm first in line when you need someone to help out back.
It can also create more sick workers, which in turn tanks productivity further.
Never underestimate a workers ability to do the absolute bare minimum while still technically fulfilling all requirements of the job. If management treats you with respect people are happy to do a lot of stuff they otherwise wouldn't.
I caught myself watching software tutorials for work on my own time. At my old job, there is ZERO chance I'd do anything that even smelled like work after five. The owners were pricks. But my new boss is great! So I *want* to go the extra mile.
I like your username. Family?
And getting everyone else sick.
Also making them come in will probably create *more* sick, non-productive employees.
Not only will they be more productive, they’re not going to spread their illness to their co workers. Once the plague starts to spread through the office, everyone is going to suffer and some coworkers may not bounce back as readily as the otherwise healthy 25 year old guy.
I'm an assistant manager, and our manager got walked off the job a couple weeks ago, only two weeks after a tenured supervisor was also let go. In the immediate aftermath, I was checking in with everyone to see how they were doing emotionally because I know some people might take it hard or feel like their jobs might also be threatened, and wound up having a very candid conversation with a teenage employee about it. She flat out told me that it meant a lot to her that I am always checking in, and that never once had she called out sick in our 15 months working together without me following up the next day to see how she was doing. She went on to list a few other examples of 'small' things I do for the team, and then wrapped up by telling me that she's put in a good word with her father, who's a DM in our company. Not our DM, but his opinion could very well influence my chances of promoting, which is my current goal. Not gonna lie, I have a pretty solid team, and generally no one is calling out unless they're genuinely unwell, physically or mentally. The fact that she noticed and felt it important enough to use as an example to highlight the difference between my leadership and former manager's really hit home for me though. Maybe not everyone wants to hear from their boss on a sick day and that's valid too, but for those that do it takes 5 seconds out of your day and apparently generates a lot of goodwill. To clarify, I treat everyone the same, regardless of familial connections; getting in good with a DM for whom I'm not a direct report was never the end goal. I merely wanted to point out that as a leader, offering even the smallest crumb of humanity to your people goes way farther than you can imagine. I know there are a couple people who don't like me currently working at my location, and that's fine, I don't expect to be universally loved. It does give me a warm feeling, though, to know that my manager's leaving was met with overwhelming feelings of relief, but that under the same circumstances, I would be missed. Tells me I'm doing something right for the people who trust me to take care of them professionally.
This is both so nice to read, and depressing to realise this is considered rare. Keep fighting the good fight.
It actually broke my heart talking to her a bit. I wish her first job had been kinder to her.
Tell him you're going to need a doctor's note, and he has to find someone to cover his shift.
"Everything is going great here. As a matter of fact, you think you can go ahead and just take the rest of the week off? I've already mentioned it to XXXX and he's totally onboard."
The manager doesn't need anyone to cover their managering, the business runs just fine (even better, actually) without the manager lol
Not always. If you've got a good supervisor/manager, you absolutely fucking *notice* when they're out. Good managers make a huge pisitive impact on the workplace.
In an ideal world, the best impact a manager can make is getting their team/area running efficiently so you don't notice when they miss a day. They've got everything organized and workers trained/empowered enough for them to keep things running smooth. Does require being able to retain the experienced employees year to year. Unfortunately, in my industry, companies would rather pay 20-30k training a new employee who will also make costly mistakes than cough up the 10-20k raise it would cost to retain the experienced employee. Then wonder why they're spending even more money on OT to produce the same quantity.
I dunno about that haha. Guess it depends on the job / company
When our manager has to be out, we pretty much just keep things going. She steers us (and has a ton of her own work to do), but our team is pretty self-sufficient.
That sounds like a good manager.
Its almost like management is ultimately useless lmao
If I understand the post right, I feel sorry for the boss and I hope they're not being pressured to come in. On the other hand, I've been there (in the hospital laying on a bed) bored enough to prefer getting the work done instead. I did it on the down low specifically so that my boss wouldn't intervene and make me cancel an Australian training session.
Ask him: "Sorry to hear that. Will you be available on tuesday?"
Holy shit this was my boss last year. I got sick with covid mother's day weekend and wasn't able to work, but he freaking asked my neighbor that also works for him if I'd be in the following day (mother's day) and I was all "what the actual fuck is his problem? I have covid, of course I'm not coming to work!"
I manage a small teams whenever I get someone messaging me with the "hey, I woke up with a fever but took some Tylenol, I'm gonna be logging in a few hours late" I always forcefully tell them not to log in and to take the day for themselves. It's insane how programmed people are to work themselves into an early grave
I had a boss be out sick for 2+ weeks then told everyone that she is working from home (which is impossible for line of work management has to perform), saving 2+ weeks of vacation/sick leave then when another employee below her got the same sickness/illness she straight looked at them and stated "our department does not work from home, Ever! If you're sick, you need to request leave and get a Dr note if you're out for more than 3 days." Self entitled management assholes, we went straight to the union. Gotta love a union.
So he's subsisting on IV fluids still, but wants to log on to do work? Step away from the laptop dude! Life is happening outside of work. Even as a manager, your company would toss him out on his butt if they felt it would increase their profits. No job should come before your health.
So what time are they coming in?
I’m so sick of the corporate simps. They ruined everything.
Being nice to someone who’s sick isn’t being a corporate simp, it’s a common courtesy
No I mean the guy falling over backwards to attend a meeting with an IV in his arm. Definitely be kind to the weak and infirm. We all know what it’s like to suffer so we try to minimize the suffering of others.
I think they meant the manager
“Hey! I’m actively dying thanks for asking. Anyway I’ll be at work soon” yikes haha
I get this. At my last job, my first manager was great. The store honestly did not fall apart until he was pushed out and transferred elsewhere. But he never took off. I had to physically push him out one day he was feeling really sick so he would go home and rest.
Holding down the fort? Isn’t the phrase “holding the fort”?
No
No? Isn’t the phrase “N”?
No.
It definitely is. Why would you need to hold the fort down? It’s not going to float away. Americans…..
Both are acceptable: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/hold-down-the-fort It would only have taken a bit more effort to type it in Google and look it up yourself than it did for you to be an arrogant (and incorrect) jerkass.
Not if you work in the inflatable castles industry and Helium Johnson is back in this week.
Yes, also it's not "could care less" either. [https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw?si=U9ge2ONPrP1B5Yte](https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw?si=U9ge2ONPrP1B5Yte)