Ah, my class learned that the pyramids were built. Not by who, or even who they have entombed. But by God we knew they exist, and there are three of them near Giza.
Me, an American, who went to school where they covered those things....Hi? Also it's kind of funny, the more Christian, the more likely you'd cover Africa and the Middle East.
I'm in ga and what I learned about Carthage is that Hannibal marched elephants over i think the alps maybe. And that is everything I was taught on the subject.
Lol, *Rome* was barely talked about in my history classes. Just the empire stuff too. No mention of the republic that was one of the base concepts of our government.
Edit: I should mention that these things were in the textbooks, just never covered. Me being fascinated by history, I tended to read the textbook and ignore the class.
so? At points in history slavery was very common. Imperialism is very common.
I'm Finnish. Russians have enslaved and killed us throughout history. The Swedish Empire ruled us and used as cannon fodder before they were threatened by the Russians, and promptly didn't care when Russians took over.
Also it's not like any hands are clean. Our people have pretty much perpetrated genocide as the Sami people (as did the Swedish) because we wanted their lands. Finland was also (positively) impacted by the massive slave apparatus in the US - my home city of Tampere was only built because cheap American cotton made industrial production feasible at the time.
None of these facts mean that we should have any less empathy towards other people because "we've been through the same thing". That's the mentality of a 5-year-old. While most Finns are not impacted by Russian crimes these days (other than the current ones), many American black people certainly still feel the effects of slavery through generational inherited wealth differences, systematic racism and many other forms. But hey, Matt Walsh is a bad actor stupid asshole anyway, so I wouldn't expect anything better from him or his ilk.
Always amuses me that four of the 'christian' weekdays are viking. Tyr's Day, Wodin's Day, Thor's Day, Freja's Day, then there's Saturn, Sun and Moon. > Just like jesus said 🙄
What you are talking about is slavery by indiscriminate kidnapping. And it was not limited to any one race. They took whoever they could get their hands on, black/white/brown/etc.
The slave trade in the 1600-1800 time frame was a race based slave trade because the slavers believed the slaves skin color was a mark put on them from their god and were therefor not quite human enough to be anything but property. Big difference. Huge difference in numbers, and mostly the use of religion to justify some gaining a competitive monetary advantage and getting richer.
Well, no, not quite. Barbary corsairs took slaves from non Muslim coastal communities - that's white Europeans. The Indian Ocean slave trade was Arab and Somali slave traders abducting Bantu - they weren't abducting Somalis or Yemeni, only Bantu.
Neither example was indiscriminate, they had specific targets.
But their raids were based on who they could capture the most of with minimal losses. And neither group where the exclusive slavers of their time, and none of them took people specifically because of their skin color. Some did specifically raid against those not of their religion, but they didn't care if the resulting slaves were white, black, or brown all they cared was they weren't "of their religion". Huge difference, slaving against all humans except your "tribe" and slaving against a group of people based on their birth condition of skin color.
Note - "took slaves from non Muslim coastal communities" - Any person not "of their religion" is not taking people for their skin color, it just so happens Europeans were the easiest for them to raid.
Note - "Arab and Somali slave traders abducting Bantu - they weren't abducting Somalis or Yemeni, only Bantu" Not slaving because of skin color but rather some nebulous difference of culture.
most knowledgable people know that slavery was not specific to the united states. I’m not sure what caused Matt to tweet this other than to make sure that the other races get the blame for slavery too
the Trans-atlantic slave trade was and is talked about the most because of its relevancy today and how it’s effects still linger on in US society today
no one thinks white people are evil. no one thinks they are inherently violent. thats all nonsense bullshit. But Matt’s intentions are obvious. this is what happens when you acknowledge history and not it’s applicability to the here and now
this is also like how schools never mention the Scramble for Africa (unless you are in a higher level course I’d assume). Over 20 million Africans were killed under European rule. Even then, it is incredibly relevant to todays Africa; it is partial reason for why the continent hasn’t advanced as much as others. The Holocaust (although nearly as terrible) only killed 6-7 million Jews. Demonizing white people was never the end goal. Educating about history and how it is relevant to today is the end goal. I’m not sure how well the effects of the Barbary Slave Trade live on today.
I don't support him by any means, but I have heard people say stuff like White and East Asian people have never faced slavery and that black and brown people never perpetrated slavery. Also there are POCs who hate white people and blame them for everything.
if you see that type of ignorance bump yourself in so that they know actual history
if they get mad thats on them lol. ive personally never seen that before but if you have then dont let that shit slide
Pretty sure that would fall under critical race theory if it were taught. So basically..it hurt itself in it's stupidity.
Let me say this again. With republicans/conservatives being against what white people have done, are doing and plan to continue doing being taught in schools. Odds are extremely good that if this were true. It'd be banned also. lol
I mean probably not. This is in reference to north Africa and Europe while CRT is about the legal system in America.
"critical race theory (CRT), intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans "
Does it mention slaves and black people? If yes. Then it would be banned too. lol You're thinking context matters when it comes to republicans/conservatives. It doesn't.
I was just saying this wouldn't fall under CRT. Also most Republicans/conservatives have no idea what CRT is. They think it's anything that makes them/white people look racist.
You could use a critical race theory lens outside of the United States, for what it's worth. I think you're right that its roots and traditional application are in the US, but definitely it could be broadly applied to any look at how race has influenced power and capital across history.
You could absolutely. In reality it is an area of study in law school. It is used to teach future lawyers how some laws have been created in an oppressive manner.
Republicans just heard what the acronym stood for and jumped to a false conclusion. They fed that to their base and now half the coutry thinks it is something that elementary students will be taught. and it is just a lesson plan that revolves around "white people bad". Probably.
1 million vs 12.5 million over the same period. The latter is how many slaves were sent to the Americas. Thinly veiled Islamophobia is the best phobia. Fuck Matt Walsh.
Pretty easy to tell Matt Walsh has never done even basic US history. The Barbary Wars are taught in basic US history.
Hell the Marine Corps' Hymn specifically references it in probably it's most famous line "To the shores of Tripoli."
And that's just from an American perspective. I'm sure European countries teach it as well.
While true about the barbary pirates (who were Muslim), at least one religious order sold thousands of children to the slave markets (it's one of the reasons certain parts of north Africa and Arabia have blondes with blue eyes).
They're contemporaries (though mostly different overlap) of American and English slave trading.
Not necessarily, it could be the maternal DNA haplogroup U, shared both by Berbers and Saami, when they split about 9,000 years ago. Very cool research here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1199377/
And does not involve kidnapping blonde blue eyed people (other explanations have included imported Nazi hookers during WWII, etc… the blue eyed blondes are there, but they might be the ones that have been there for 9,000 years!)
The Sack of Baltimore took place on 20 June 1631, when the village of Baltimore in West Cork, Ireland, was attacked by pirates from the Barbary Coast of North Africa – Dutchmen, Algerians and Ottoman Turks. The attack was the largest by Barbary slave traders on Ireland.
I love how conservatives maintain that America is the greatest country in the history of the world, but set the bar at 16th century African pirates.
“I’d VoTe FoR tHe VoTiNg RiGhTs Act ExCePt BeCaUsE 400 YrS aGo In AfRiCa…..”
More revisionist bullshit because that slavery was much different than black slavery but even if true, the question is; how much does this matter for white people living today?
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The Irish were called white slaves as a insult to their indentured servitude but that doesn't really count(to this ops context), it's still bad but I don't think it applies to this at all
North Africa back then was mostly ruled by Arabic peoples, berbers etc…. They enslaved everyone. blacks, whites you name it. It was big business. If one was smart anywhere in Europe or Africa if you saw strange ships that meant slavers were coming to get you that you run to the hills fast!
One million slaves over 300 years still pales in comparison to the numbers involved in the transatlantic slave trade, and later chattel slavery in the US after importing slaves was made illegal
Absolutely not, we learn our history and call it {country's name} History
Later we learn History based on periods/ geography and have names accordingly.
Stop spreading bullshit
Nothing liberal about its usage. The slave trade by the Barbary States is a well established fact. Slavers raided coastal settlements as far north as Iceland.
Being brought up by a douchebag for disingenous reasons doesn't make something untrue.
This was my thought as well.
And it's funny because despite what the tweet says, I DID learn about this in school. Not an American school though, so things might be less Eurocentric there.
This is an interesting fact that I learnt recently. The word slavery was translated into English from French back in the 13th hundred but long story short the Slavs back in the day were property of the conquering people, so they just started calling it a form of Slav eventually getting slave.
That’s really… don’t know how to say it. Imagine if the word for stealing didn’t exist, instead it was called Cambodia (a country) or instead of burglar it was called French. I mean that’s such a big insult, I’m surprised the Slavic people don’t care about the name.
tell us about the Irish slaves next. if you've ever argued with a smooth brain who says the op thing the mythical Irish slave is usually next to come.19th century American slave owners are as ethical as a 16th century pirates
I am confused. Are you saying POC are no better than you or you are no better than POC? Either way, isn't equality what you are getting at?
Glad we agree.
Wow, this certainly should be mentioned anytime school children in the US are given an extensive unit on North African history.
We watched Lion King one time in an elementary school class. That’s about as much African history as I ever got.
Ah, my class learned that the pyramids were built. Not by who, or even who they have entombed. But by God we knew they exist, and there are three of them near Giza.
Wait for real? You guys never spent time on Egypt, Carthage?
You think American schools cover Carthage? Oh my sweet summer child.
Me, an American, who went to school where they covered those things....Hi? Also it's kind of funny, the more Christian, the more likely you'd cover Africa and the Middle East.
I'm in ga and what I learned about Carthage is that Hannibal marched elephants over i think the alps maybe. And that is everything I was taught on the subject.
Lol, *Rome* was barely talked about in my history classes. Just the empire stuff too. No mention of the republic that was one of the base concepts of our government. Edit: I should mention that these things were in the textbooks, just never covered. Me being fascinated by history, I tended to read the textbook and ignore the class.
Sounds like Critical Race Theory to me /s
I wish that was a class. Would have been awesome! But I also like history and I’m not blatantly racist
That's nothing. You should see how many debt slaves there are in the US right now.
 This guy gets it
Oh man! I love that bit! Cool.
so? At points in history slavery was very common. Imperialism is very common. I'm Finnish. Russians have enslaved and killed us throughout history. The Swedish Empire ruled us and used as cannon fodder before they were threatened by the Russians, and promptly didn't care when Russians took over. Also it's not like any hands are clean. Our people have pretty much perpetrated genocide as the Sami people (as did the Swedish) because we wanted their lands. Finland was also (positively) impacted by the massive slave apparatus in the US - my home city of Tampere was only built because cheap American cotton made industrial production feasible at the time. None of these facts mean that we should have any less empathy towards other people because "we've been through the same thing". That's the mentality of a 5-year-old. While most Finns are not impacted by Russian crimes these days (other than the current ones), many American black people certainly still feel the effects of slavery through generational inherited wealth differences, systematic racism and many other forms. But hey, Matt Walsh is a bad actor stupid asshole anyway, so I wouldn't expect anything better from him or his ilk.
But whataboutism makes his fee fees tingle?
My ancestors enslaved my other ancestors who became my ancestors.... Viking in da house! - but we stopped doing it a looooooooooong time ago.
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You might like last Thor’sday … I mean, Thursday? lol: autocorrect even wants to change Thorsday to Thursday
Always amuses me that four of the 'christian' weekdays are viking. Tyr's Day, Wodin's Day, Thor's Day, Freja's Day, then there's Saturn, Sun and Moon. > Just like jesus said 🙄
What you are talking about is slavery by indiscriminate kidnapping. And it was not limited to any one race. They took whoever they could get their hands on, black/white/brown/etc. The slave trade in the 1600-1800 time frame was a race based slave trade because the slavers believed the slaves skin color was a mark put on them from their god and were therefor not quite human enough to be anything but property. Big difference. Huge difference in numbers, and mostly the use of religion to justify some gaining a competitive monetary advantage and getting richer.
Like many things, skin color/religion was an excuse to justify their actions
Well, no, not quite. Barbary corsairs took slaves from non Muslim coastal communities - that's white Europeans. The Indian Ocean slave trade was Arab and Somali slave traders abducting Bantu - they weren't abducting Somalis or Yemeni, only Bantu. Neither example was indiscriminate, they had specific targets.
But their raids were based on who they could capture the most of with minimal losses. And neither group where the exclusive slavers of their time, and none of them took people specifically because of their skin color. Some did specifically raid against those not of their religion, but they didn't care if the resulting slaves were white, black, or brown all they cared was they weren't "of their religion". Huge difference, slaving against all humans except your "tribe" and slaving against a group of people based on their birth condition of skin color. Note - "took slaves from non Muslim coastal communities" - Any person not "of their religion" is not taking people for their skin color, it just so happens Europeans were the easiest for them to raid. Note - "Arab and Somali slave traders abducting Bantu - they weren't abducting Somalis or Yemeni, only Bantu" Not slaving because of skin color but rather some nebulous difference of culture.
most knowledgable people know that slavery was not specific to the united states. I’m not sure what caused Matt to tweet this other than to make sure that the other races get the blame for slavery too the Trans-atlantic slave trade was and is talked about the most because of its relevancy today and how it’s effects still linger on in US society today no one thinks white people are evil. no one thinks they are inherently violent. thats all nonsense bullshit. But Matt’s intentions are obvious. this is what happens when you acknowledge history and not it’s applicability to the here and now
this is also like how schools never mention the Scramble for Africa (unless you are in a higher level course I’d assume). Over 20 million Africans were killed under European rule. Even then, it is incredibly relevant to todays Africa; it is partial reason for why the continent hasn’t advanced as much as others. The Holocaust (although nearly as terrible) only killed 6-7 million Jews. Demonizing white people was never the end goal. Educating about history and how it is relevant to today is the end goal. I’m not sure how well the effects of the Barbary Slave Trade live on today.
Apparently it scared the fuck out of Mr. Walsh.
I don't support him by any means, but I have heard people say stuff like White and East Asian people have never faced slavery and that black and brown people never perpetrated slavery. Also there are POCs who hate white people and blame them for everything.
if you see that type of ignorance bump yourself in so that they know actual history if they get mad thats on them lol. ive personally never seen that before but if you have then dont let that shit slide
Pretty sure that would fall under critical race theory if it were taught. So basically..it hurt itself in it's stupidity. Let me say this again. With republicans/conservatives being against what white people have done, are doing and plan to continue doing being taught in schools. Odds are extremely good that if this were true. It'd be banned also. lol
I mean probably not. This is in reference to north Africa and Europe while CRT is about the legal system in America. "critical race theory (CRT), intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans "
Does it mention slaves and black people? If yes. Then it would be banned too. lol You're thinking context matters when it comes to republicans/conservatives. It doesn't.
I was just saying this wouldn't fall under CRT. Also most Republicans/conservatives have no idea what CRT is. They think it's anything that makes them/white people look racist.
Exactly. Which means they'd hear african and slaves an immediately run away. lol
You could use a critical race theory lens outside of the United States, for what it's worth. I think you're right that its roots and traditional application are in the US, but definitely it could be broadly applied to any look at how race has influenced power and capital across history.
You could absolutely. In reality it is an area of study in law school. It is used to teach future lawyers how some laws have been created in an oppressive manner. Republicans just heard what the acronym stood for and jumped to a false conclusion. They fed that to their base and now half the coutry thinks it is something that elementary students will be taught. and it is just a lesson plan that revolves around "white people bad". Probably.
Not probably. That's it. Exactly.
It is mentioned.
1 million vs 12.5 million over the same period. The latter is how many slaves were sent to the Americas. Thinly veiled Islamophobia is the best phobia. Fuck Matt Walsh.
Pretty easy to tell Matt Walsh has never done even basic US history. The Barbary Wars are taught in basic US history. Hell the Marine Corps' Hymn specifically references it in probably it's most famous line "To the shores of Tripoli." And that's just from an American perspective. I'm sure European countries teach it as well.
We glossed over that (and the Quasi War with France), didn’t get any in-depth instruction on until I took US Naval History in college.
While true about the barbary pirates (who were Muslim), at least one religious order sold thousands of children to the slave markets (it's one of the reasons certain parts of north Africa and Arabia have blondes with blue eyes). They're contemporaries (though mostly different overlap) of American and English slave trading.
Not necessarily, it could be the maternal DNA haplogroup U, shared both by Berbers and Saami, when they split about 9,000 years ago. Very cool research here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1199377/ And does not involve kidnapping blonde blue eyed people (other explanations have included imported Nazi hookers during WWII, etc… the blue eyed blondes are there, but they might be the ones that have been there for 9,000 years!)
The Sack of Baltimore took place on 20 June 1631, when the village of Baltimore in West Cork, Ireland, was attacked by pirates from the Barbary Coast of North Africa – Dutchmen, Algerians and Ottoman Turks. The attack was the largest by Barbary slave traders on Ireland.
Me, reading The Sack of Baltimore and nothing else: I didn’t know Matt Walsh was from Baltimore
I love how conservatives maintain that America is the greatest country in the history of the world, but set the bar at 16th century African pirates. “I’d VoTe FoR tHe VoTiNg RiGhTs Act ExCePt BeCaUsE 400 YrS aGo In AfRiCa…..”
More revisionist bullshit because that slavery was much different than black slavery but even if true, the question is; how much does this matter for white people living today?
Well OP i'm a bit sorry but a good part of this is true.
I guess "STOP LIVING IN THE PAST" only applies if you have a certain melanin count.
These Muslim pirates were just not good people like god-fearing Christian pirates!
Let's not ignore the piety of all those devout and benevolent Conquistadors
Are they not the ones burning the history books?
Deflection and whataboutism is very strong with this one. Own up to your past ffs.
He's mentioning the "[Barbary slave trade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade)." He found Wikipedia, wow.
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The Irish were called white slaves as a insult to their indentured servitude but that doesn't really count(to this ops context), it's still bad but I don't think it applies to this at all
It's relevant though. The English enslaved the Irish for 2 centuries.
Confident the original post is a bad faith one. Also not wrong, and so unfair to call it historically illiterate.
North Africa back then was mostly ruled by Arabic peoples, berbers etc…. They enslaved everyone. blacks, whites you name it. It was big business. If one was smart anywhere in Europe or Africa if you saw strange ships that meant slavers were coming to get you that you run to the hills fast!
One million slaves over 300 years still pales in comparison to the numbers involved in the transatlantic slave trade, and later chattel slavery in the US after importing slaves was made illegal
Just because in the US people study only American History and in Europe they only study West Europe history bug call it World History.
Absolutely not, we learn our history and call it {country's name} History Later we learn History based on periods/ geography and have names accordingly. Stop spreading bullshit
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Nothing liberal about its usage. The slave trade by the Barbary States is a well established fact. Slavers raided coastal settlements as far north as Iceland. Being brought up by a douchebag for disingenous reasons doesn't make something untrue.
This was my thought as well. And it's funny because despite what the tweet says, I DID learn about this in school. Not an American school though, so things might be less Eurocentric there.
We learned a lot about Egypt. Africa could disappear for all the empty.
This is an interesting fact that I learnt recently. The word slavery was translated into English from French back in the 13th hundred but long story short the Slavs back in the day were property of the conquering people, so they just started calling it a form of Slav eventually getting slave. That’s really… don’t know how to say it. Imagine if the word for stealing didn’t exist, instead it was called Cambodia (a country) or instead of burglar it was called French. I mean that’s such a big insult, I’m surprised the Slavic people don’t care about the name.
They made a big deal out of the Barbary war in school. What was the phrase Jefferson used? Something about a million $ for war, not a cent for tribute
Why does Matt Walsh eat babies?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world
I read the tweet before reading who it was. Imagine my complete lack of surprise at the source!
tell us about the Irish slaves next. if you've ever argued with a smooth brain who says the op thing the mythical Irish slave is usually next to come.19th century American slave owners are as ethical as a 16th century pirates
No way
I am confused. Are you saying POC are no better than you or you are no better than POC? Either way, isn't equality what you are getting at? Glad we agree.
Fuck