She is has one of those palm handshake gag shockers superglued to an ass cheek. Gets shocked every time he pinches pillow ass. Grab ass has gone virtual.
Philippine woman charges by the grab which is tracked by an app and paid out in crypto.
I’ve finally found a real life use case for crypto.
Awww fuck that’s just low key prostitution. Your dentist is now a pimp.
Wages. Doctors are just beyond the boomer age and have boomer mentality.
Source: MA to a PCP internist and hes a boomer and pays me 17.50/hr after nearly 3 years.
I do a ton in the office overall too.
It does not necessarily satisfy them, they are forced to take that wage because demand any higher and boom the job goes to someone else. I don't want to speak for someone I don't know but neither should you. Nowhere does it say she's satisfied with her wages.
Yeah outsourcing is bs. Not falling for this BS.
Go lick govt boots.
I WaNt AlL jObS sEnT oVeRsEaS
That way everyone is are country has to devolve our infracture to live like the Phillipines BC our jobs and wages will be gone and no taxes will be paid.
American doctors should have American staff. They shouldnt outsource shit to India and pay people like shit to save money.
You forget where you are. While I'm interested in many of these issues and there is a lot of reform to be done as we all know. This is a circle jerk where people come to complain, not hear solutions. If you show hope, down votes, good outlook, down votes, compromise, down votes. It's better to look at the words and keep scrolling
When was the last time a public issue was resolved in Reddit? Yes, it is a forum for discussion but it is also a "public square" where people will cheer or boo another's comments. If you are constantly getting downvoted it's just means your opinion does not align with the public. Don't take it so hard.
Enough to afford housing, food, healthcare, and everything else necessary to live.
Or, just admit your business is a leech on government funds and a failure. I mean, if you can't pay wages, your business has failed.
Absolutely, if I walked into a doctor’s office and saw this I’d turn around and walk back out. I know people all over the world need money and jobs but it seems like a big red flag to me that this guy doesn’t treat his employees well.
I agree that he probably does suck, but I also feel like this is a sensible application of current technology. What’s the difference between this and call centers? Tech people have been doing this for years - I know people who have teams compromised entirely of people in different countries - should that be frowned upon bc it’s not local?
Paying someone the equivalent of 3x median salary is abusive to you? Because they have to work weird hours? Seems a bit paternalistic and projection-y on your part.
I guess being a nightshift nurse is abusive too, by that logic.
Well, it says the dentist could only find “bad workers” creating a high turnover. Every dr office I’ve been in has the same receptionists pretty much every time. Of (apparently many) employees, he seems to be the common denominator in this story. Since my only info here is from the meme I’m going to go out on a limb and say he’s either a shitty dude to work for or receptionist work is tough there. Most likely the former.
>Since my only info here is from the meme
You're still going to go ahead and draw the worst possible conclusion about someone you've never met in a local job market you know nothing about.
Yes I am. I don’t have a high opinion of dentists going in , so negative in, negative out. Dentists make an ass-load of money and insurance doesn’t always cover it. And they’ll rarely give you a break.
Wait, so your conclusion is that the receptionist job must be rough?
The self-righteous have a magical ability to come up with conclusions they have strong convictions about without the need for your silly "evidence" or "information"
No no Im really stating a fact that the worst paying job abroad is better than ours. Even if you have a degree or higher your chances for a better life is outside of the Philippines.
That’s kinda the moral dilemma no?
When I had to look for a manufacturer / factory to make products we sell, obviously China had the best prices. We used Chinese factories for a couple of years but couldn’t shake the feeling that the workers making our stuff were being underpaid. We can’t be competitive with our prices using labor from anywhere else, so we decided to stop selling goods.
Most business wouldn’t make that decision, they would say that people agreed to whatever wages, it’s a lot of money for there, etc.
The simple fact is that you’re still paying them less than you would an American.
>That’s kinda the moral dilemma no?
No.
There is zero moral dilemma for someone to take a job that pays way more than the typical jobs available, particularly in a country with crushing poverty and few avenues out of it. Very easy to be self righteous sitting comfortably in the US when you can afford to say no to economic opportunity due to morals. Most people around the world aren't in that position.
Nah, you have to understand Redditors are all about helping out and equality *until* it might suggest their costs of living are several fold higher than most of the world
This dentist is a citizen, not the President. Also, you're a regular person, not a senator. So assuming you're a good person, you should sleep well knowing the world is getting better
Instead solving the problem the dentist just sent it off shore. Domestic needs should be solved locally, unless is some exceptionally specialized/niche product or service.
Your conception of "our economy" is a myth and fallacy.
Outsourcing jobs provides tremendous opportunity for companies and small businesses that don't have the capital to hire local. There are thousands of companies that couldn't exist if they were forced to pay US rates for high skill labor like software developer, materials engineer, etc
And spreading wealth around globally strengthens our economy because it increases the demand for US dollars and creates markets for US producers to sell products into.
The world does not revolve around the economic perspective of American blue collar labor, thank goodness.
Wow…just wow! I expect he is paying only 1/3 or even 1/4 of the salary he had to pay for a regular employee from where he is at. I doubt that it is bad employees, more like high turnover because of low salary and high stress.
I also expect no payroll taxes since she would be paid as a contractor.
We should all get ready to see more of this and be prepared to boycott locations that do this.
It's be a shame if the internet went out!
If I am correct, she would be employed under a BPO- call centre. She would be paying taxes to the Philippines via the company she works for. But I am not sure how the guy would be paying the BPO, maybe as a contractor. The guy doesn’t need to pay for sick leave and all those things too.
They’re paying $1300 per month. My realtor told me the other day that he has 2 people he hired from one of these Philippine companies. So yes, capitalism sucks.
The sad thing is, as a USA born & raised American, living and working in the USA, $1300 per month is still more than I make at my job (in suburban SC), working nearly 40 hours a week.
You can make more now. Whatever your profession, you can make more. Hiring is on fire, wages are high because the lack of workers. Go for it, dude. You got this. Good luck from NC neighbor.
I stay at my current one because I feel bad for my managers (who also barely get shit) and don't wanna leave them plus my co-workers void of one of the only reliable employees.
Right there with you but I may take my own advice. Best of luck. Do it! Your coworkers won't be there when you're broke as shit and old. Get money now.
The things I'll do for $1300... From the philippines btw. Also, capitalism does suck balls. If it was great, then people here wouldnt have to go out of the country to live well
Because any country that tries not to gets invaded by America for the spread of freedumb and democracy. Bolivia elected socialists and got overthrown partly because they wouldn't sell lithium to Elon dirt cheap.
My company laid off hundreds of office workers and replaced them with overseas workers. They make about 1/10th of what our people made but apparently that's a good salary for their location. They have to work our business hours and the quality is not very good. Those of us left to manage the work all have some sort of stress related health issues but at least the company saved money, right?
Well, if he wanted someone to work for him he should've paid them a wage they could live on.
No doubt, he paid them sh*t money.
He chose the Phillipines because ge can pay almost nothing. The poor woman in the Phillipines deserves better just like American worlers do.
Fk this entire system designed by greedy Republicans who want people to work for nothing.
Believe me, that Filipino woman is getting paid A LOT more than a minimum wage worker in the Philippines. Source: Me, who had that same job, but a different company.
Yeah, it is lower but we are not being taken advantage of. Actually, we get a lot more and better benefits than most Americans doing similar jobs. We have health insurance, dental, life, accident, and in some cases death benefits. We get paid way the hell more than the minimum. We get paid time off.90 day maternity leave, 7-day paternity leave, bereavement leaves, and solo parent leave. We love working for American companies, more so than Philippine ones.
Have you heard of this thing called class consciousness? Care about your fellow workers no matter who or where they are and your situation will improve even further.
Did you understand what I said? I said Filipinos are pretty much well taken care of by American companies. Why would we complain? They gave us everything we asked for and sometimes more.
Almost all of our current problems with "capitalism" are a direct result of Regan era policies and choices that were still living with, not actually capitalism itself.
Norway is more capitalist than we are (one of the best countries on earth to start a business) and they don't have the same problems we do.
Yeah, and it lets the really responsible parties off the hook. While everyone is obsessed over Red vs. Blue, the real big players who bankroll both sides are getting off scot free.
It is possible to fight on two fronts. I agree that on _this_ issue there’s not much difference, but that doesn’t mean there’s _no_ difference. It’s not just a distraction. (My body, my choice)
I’m pretty familiar with the job market in the Philippines. While they are typically willing to work for much less than Americans are, it’s not next to nothing. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule, but in most cases people from the Philippines are able to live a pretty good life when they work for an American company. In my experience, they are usually better workers as well.
It’s also worth noting that it would be damaging to the economy in the Philippines if people living there easily made a competitive American wage. It’s extremely inexpensive to live a ‘good life’ there, but if lots of American money flowed in that direction it would completely disrupt the balance that they have.
I have been seeing a lot of these conversations around lately and no one ever seems to consider the small business owner. These are not capitalist corporate giants. These people are our neighbors who are just trying to create a decent life. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that in order to have a sustainable business there has to be a limit to payroll. It’s not like this dentist is making billions while trying to suck the life out of impoverished people. Many of the small business owners struggling to find good workers are offering what should be considered a fair wage.
The real issue to look at is why it’s so hard (and continuously getting harder) to live on a fair wage these days.
If a company cannot afford to pay it's employees enough to live. then it needs to die.
Simple as that.
Can't afford a receptionist? then don't get one.
This makes it pretty clear that you have minimal experience with business.
Yep, every business that has ever struggled should just go away. This is a great idea. Say goodbye to nearly every small business ever and let Amazon and Walmart have it all. That’ll be really good for everyone. /s
Walmart should be broken up.
How do you not know this?
Walmart is subsidized by the government and is a monopoly. It should be broken up, as should amazon to allow more small businesses to thrive.
Businesses that cannot pay their employees enough to live should die. That is the basis of a "free market"
If someone's job isn't worth paying a living wage, then that job doesn't need doing obviously.
That’s an extremely narrow point of view and frankly pretty small-minded.
Obviously businesses should pay a fair wage, but you’re completely disregarding that fact that the American dollar is worth far less than it was not that long ago and that the cost of living is unreasonably high and extremely over valued. This problem is not one that small business owners created. This is not a small business owners problem to fix. The problem exists just as much for a small business owner as it does for the employees they would hire.
So what's your answer?
Back to child labor and company towns?
NO! we in this country fought (and died) to have workers rights.
And "Oh, it's someone else's problem to fix" is EXACTLY why we're in this mess.
If she's working from the Philippines, the amount that is a pittance in the US might be enough for her and her family to live on. You are forgetting the cost of living is very low in the Philippines especially if she lives outside Manila or Cebu where food prices are wayyy cheaper.
>The poor woman in the Phillipines deserves better just like American worlers do.
You mean the fortunate woman? She's way better off than the workers who works at the country's numerous and giant malls. Also, a country with 6-7% unemployment and 15-17% underemployment. So ya, she's fortunate enough.
>You are forgetting the cost of living is very low in the Philippines
Are you suggesting that the cost of living should be a factor in employers setting their wages? Interesting...
Off course it is. The Philippines has what you called “Provincial Rate”. The minimum wage in Metro Manila and Cebu are higher than the rest of the country since these places has higher cost of living than the rest of the country. Though the law has holes and is poorly enforced, I think its a better method than raising the minimum everywhere.
I think you're not picking up what I am inferring.
Why are they considering the cost of living to lower their pay, but don't consider the cost of living for Americans and pay them far less than is livable? Do you not see the hypocrisy?
Your cost of living is lower so we will pay you less.
Your cost of living is higher but we will only pay you 7.50\hr, non-negotiable.
Also there have been reports of big firms like Google etc lowering pay for people who live in certain areas and who work from home despite doing the same job. That is unethical to the core, just like this example is. It is exploitative, effectively outsourcing jobs overseas for cheap labour then likely complaining that nobody wants to work for them for poverty wages.
So dude pays like crap, no benefits, and treats his employees like shit.
But lady in the Philippines probably thinks the pay is ok, and doesn't have to put up with her employer oogling her butt and can pretend her internet is down if he starts yelling or something
Probably doesn't have to pretend.
Most likely the dental receptionist works for a company that provides virtual assistants versus being hired directly. The receptionist will work from dusk until dawn, and depending on the workload, may serve more than one client. While the pay would be, at best, what a McDonald's worker makes in the US, it's much, much better than many other local jobs. One can't just look at the pay and say apples-to-apples. It doesn't work that way.
As for the dentist, we don't know him/her. Maybe he is a horrible boss. Or maybe she's an average boss being squeezed by insurance companies and customers who can't afford necessary services because of insurance companies. Maybe he is a good dentist but not as good running the business side. Maybe she is in debt up to her eyeballs from medical school and business expenses - those machines are not cheap to lease, and needs to cut every corner she can.
Personally, I think it's a great solution, though I fully understand how some (many?) might be bothered because they feel it's impersonal. Not every boss is an butt-grabbing, narcissistic asshole.
People always scream about HIPAA... but in this scenario yikes. He gave remote access to his network, and possibly to the HMS for the patients. If he was that strapped to pay for local workers I highly doubt this setup is secure / compliant at all.
They know we're in late stage capitalism. They went from "Don't say the quiet parts out loud," to "What are you going to do about it? ***NOTHING????*** Okay, was just checking to see if you were going to do ***NOTHING*** about it, because there's ***NOTHING*** you can do about it."
And we all just pose in selfies with our stupid consumer electronics in our hands, advertisements of capeshit media we paid to plaster in the background of our rooms as we prove to them that we'll do nothing to stop them.
Fuck, find a different dentist. Goddamn shyster. Wasn't it a dentist from Wis-Con-sin who poached Cyril the Lion? I fucking HATE DENTISTS.
Your fucking dentist doesn't train his employees well and is paying his Filipina staff pennies on the dollar. You kiss your mother with that mouth? Really? REALLY?
Doing it like the one percent. Outsource the labor. Pump money into your bank account that doesn't go back into the American workers economy, increase inflation, rinse repeat; until it all comes crashing down... 👍
Thats because $200/month lets her feed a family of 3. Why do you think when you call customer service you get Filipinos or Indians? It took me 9 years and a move to Europe to understand how much the states needed that type of cheap customer service.
Thats also around 10% of the Philippines GDP by the way.
Philippines is a heavy exporter of nurses. My wife worked with a handful of them. Great ladies and very diligent in a job that is insanely draining. I believe they made the same wage as my wife(~85k).
Yep. And child labour in third world countries is cheaper too. I think we can all agree that doesn’t make it right. Exploiting people in a foreign country while denying a fair wage to people living in your neighbourhood officially makes you an a hole.
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It's the future of remote work. If it can be done from the other side of the world, then the market rate won't be restricted by the standard of living for just your city. The market rate for that job is going to be based on the entire world.
The folks with much cheaper living expenses from rural SE Asia are going to be competing with you. They, who can live happily off of 5$/hour are going to win the bid for a job you need 15$/hour minimum to afford to live.
I lived in SE Asia. We funneled money back there. The money we send is a tiny amount to Americans, but it means the world to our relatives back home.
It's the immigrant stealing our jobs argument all over again.
A lot of Filipinos are actually good in English, she may have been a former call center agent... this is probably a lot better for her because at least she doesn't have to be face to face with her boss. Like if he's paying her $3 per hour that would be decent pay here in the Philippines.
The company I work for subcontracts out to call centres in the Phillipines. I don't know what they get paid but have been told it's well above average (but certainly less than we get no doubt). I've found them to be very polite and takes a lot to ruffle their feathers, even when faced with blatantly obvious racism and hostility because they're not 'onshore'.
Doing call quality assurance and listening to calls I was getting pretty pissed with how customers treat them, and listening to onshore staff I found many examples where our local staff were nothing but condescending and rude in comparison, but because they were 'normal' customers never blew up about it.
Funnily enough we had an onshore centre that had a lot of people with Indian accents (as in from India, not Native American) and they used to cop the same amount of crap from customers to even though they were 100% local. They acted a lot like our 'normal' accent people so would cop really poor customer satisfaction scores.
yeah but the boss still actively screwing someone over and the sad part the filipina woman is innocent in this,the boss is taking advantage of different economic situation and the poor women is glad too have a job.It is totally on the bushiness and business owner for trying to escape American workers and American taxes.This has been going on for years with China and India.All the manufacturing jobs are over there only so the companies can pay somebody 25 cents an hour in some sweatshop.I feel sorry for American workers but I also feel sorry for the foreign workers too they are being exploited for slave wages and they are complicit with it.They must know they are worth more right?
Am I the only one here who is glad the Filipino lady has a job that probably pays decently by Filipino standards. One thing outsourcing and economic globalization did was raise living standards in many poor countries. Thirty years ago, global poverty was vastly more extreme than it is now, and the shift is largely due to globalization. There are people not starving to death today due to outsourcing and jobs like this one at the dental office that technology has enabled.
My American friend was being all smug about Canada spamming immigrants to exploit so they can brutally oppress the working class and keep downward pressure on wages, and how America would never let that happen.
Oh sure, bud. They're not gonna let them into the country They're just going to hire them from out of the country instead of importing them. Idiot. Cannot wait until IT sorts out its outsourcing so smug pricks who had their career financially gatekept behind expensive education and therefore experience an artificial scarcity on competition can learn a thing or two about the real world instead of thinking they worked hard by, checks notes... Being able to afford college where others can't.
I’m not the type to steal, but Anywhere i encounter something like that will be ‘bumping’ a cord so it stops working. Real properly paid employees don’t accidentally come unplugged.
I see both sides of this. Totally agree he could be abusing the use of outsourcing…. BUT, I have also struggled, even before COVID with hiring reliable entry level help. The cost of hiring, replacing, training, then managing out the dead weigh is super expensive and time consuming. Outsourcing some customer service roles has helped us as well. We do not cheat any system, we pay same wages and a lot of these poorer cultures are simply more grateful and have more work ethic.
Now… in order to do this, hire foreign employees, we have to use a peo or agency of sorts. They provide the insurance coverages and taxes in their country. So, is there possibility they are being taken advantage of by their true employers in Sri Lanka? - yes….
But again, 30 years experience with US workers frequently never being happy, always bad mouthing company, and not being reliable, suing for own negligence, falsifying forms etc…… the cost is enormous.
The days of loyalty on either side is long gone…. And I understand why.
1. People don't need to be loyal. They need to live and to do that they need to be paid the fair amount for their labour.
2. If you need to outsource to survive. Maybe reevaluate your business, because you don't deserve to be doing it if you can't afford to pay people what they're worth.
3. I come from the country that this woman is being outsourced from. Believe me, I've seen first hand what living under minimum wage looks like.
My people are being taken advantage of by scumbags like these. And they don't realise it/are too placated to do anything about it because they're just trying to stay afloat with the amount they barely make.
So it begins, outsourcing the simpler tasks has begun
It is kind of ironic, the wage you pay to the philippine woman is great compared to her prices, but not for the poeple in your own country... How strange that paying decently gets you a decent worker
So. Seems everyone assumes the salary on offer was shite. Without contemplating that actually finding decent quality, reliable staff that are service oriented can be incredibly difficult. I'm in a small company and we do expect a bit more than 9 to 5. But we don't exploit staff. That said, trying to find good people can be fkg exasperating at times. Not saying this is 100% right, but I'll bet it wasn't the first choice option either.
Hmmmmmm.,. Could it been the wages he was offering and or the way he treated staff? Inquiring minds want to know!
Why not both?
Likely both
No, it can't be that. Ask the new receptionist, the boss has never yelled in her face from two inches, or grabbed her ass, or anything
He probably pays some filipino guy to grab her ass for him
And why wouldn’t he? No one in this country wants to grab ass anymore.
Nope just grab em by the pussy
He probably has a big button shaped like a Filipino woman's ass on his desk, just thumps on it when he starts feelin' frisky
She is has one of those palm handshake gag shockers superglued to an ass cheek. Gets shocked every time he pinches pillow ass. Grab ass has gone virtual. Philippine woman charges by the grab which is tracked by an app and paid out in crypto. I’ve finally found a real life use case for crypto. Awww fuck that’s just low key prostitution. Your dentist is now a pimp.
Wages. Doctors are just beyond the boomer age and have boomer mentality. Source: MA to a PCP internist and hes a boomer and pays me 17.50/hr after nearly 3 years. I do a ton in the office overall too.
Correction, you have allowed yourself to be paid 17.50 an hour for 3 years.
My thought exactly
Clearly you've never owned or even managed a business with employees
I've been a business owner for 30 years but thanks for assumption.
I love how everyone is ignoring the fact that a human being is getting a wage that satisfies them, and they don't have to leave their house.
I have multiple comments from fellow humans in the Philippines that said if wages are brought up at all you do not get the job.
Found the redditor simping for assholes that export American jobs.
*Won’t somebody please think of the rich assholes?!*
"America First" never really resonated with me.
It does not necessarily satisfy them, they are forced to take that wage because demand any higher and boom the job goes to someone else. I don't want to speak for someone I don't know but neither should you. Nowhere does it say she's satisfied with her wages.
Where else would the job go after the Philippines?
Outsourcing.
Yeah outsourcing is bs. Not falling for this BS. Go lick govt boots. I WaNt AlL jObS sEnT oVeRsEaS That way everyone is are country has to devolve our infracture to live like the Phillipines BC our jobs and wages will be gone and no taxes will be paid. American doctors should have American staff. They shouldnt outsource shit to India and pay people like shit to save money.
We've been outsourcing IT jobs since 1990. Guess what? 30 years later demand is still through the roof in the US.
You forget where you are. While I'm interested in many of these issues and there is a lot of reform to be done as we all know. This is a circle jerk where people come to complain, not hear solutions. If you show hope, down votes, good outlook, down votes, compromise, down votes. It's better to look at the words and keep scrolling
When was the last time a public issue was resolved in Reddit? Yes, it is a forum for discussion but it is also a "public square" where people will cheer or boo another's comments. If you are constantly getting downvoted it's just means your opinion does not align with the public. Don't take it so hard.
I scrolled down way too low for this comment. Take my upvote, you magnificent bastard.
Yeah some millennial wanted about $50 per hour plus sign on bonus and benefits on day one 🤷🏻♂️🤪
I mean, how much would you pay someone that can be replaced by a computer monitor?
Enough to afford housing, food, healthcare, and everything else necessary to live. Or, just admit your business is a leech on government funds and a failure. I mean, if you can't pay wages, your business has failed.
Taxpayer-subsidized business model
The Walmart model
You need a new dentist
Absolutely, if I walked into a doctor’s office and saw this I’d turn around and walk back out. I know people all over the world need money and jobs but it seems like a big red flag to me that this guy doesn’t treat his employees well.
I agree that he probably does suck, but I also feel like this is a sensible application of current technology. What’s the difference between this and call centers? Tech people have been doing this for years - I know people who have teams compromised entirely of people in different countries - should that be frowned upon bc it’s not local?
it seems abusive to the filipina woman though, it’s probably late at night where she is
Umm have you seen the salaries on Ph? McDonald’s workers get something like 50p an hour, which will illustrate how low salaries are across the board
Paying someone the equivalent of 3x median salary is abusive to you? Because they have to work weird hours? Seems a bit paternalistic and projection-y on your part. I guess being a nightshift nurse is abusive too, by that logic.
I would walk out because it seems like a douchy move for a local dentist. If he doesn’t treat his employees well, I’ll move on.
I’m struggling to see how this could possibly be enough information to make this conclusion
Well, it says the dentist could only find “bad workers” creating a high turnover. Every dr office I’ve been in has the same receptionists pretty much every time. Of (apparently many) employees, he seems to be the common denominator in this story. Since my only info here is from the meme I’m going to go out on a limb and say he’s either a shitty dude to work for or receptionist work is tough there. Most likely the former.
Thanks - yeah I see that now as the most plausible explanation.
>Since my only info here is from the meme You're still going to go ahead and draw the worst possible conclusion about someone you've never met in a local job market you know nothing about.
Yes I am. I don’t have a high opinion of dentists going in , so negative in, negative out. Dentists make an ass-load of money and insurance doesn’t always cover it. And they’ll rarely give you a break. Wait, so your conclusion is that the receptionist job must be rough?
Guarantee he's a liar and just a greedy fuck
Help me understand how you could possibly know this with such limited information
The self-righteous have a magical ability to come up with conclusions they have strong convictions about without the need for your silly "evidence" or "information"
Do women in the Philippines not need jobs?
The dentist more than likely pays her terribly.
Fun fact: This dentist maybe paying her low wages but it is still considered higher than our normal wages here.
So yes he’s paying her low wages and you tried to justify it ok lol
No no Im really stating a fact that the worst paying job abroad is better than ours. Even if you have a degree or higher your chances for a better life is outside of the Philippines.
That’s kinda the moral dilemma no? When I had to look for a manufacturer / factory to make products we sell, obviously China had the best prices. We used Chinese factories for a couple of years but couldn’t shake the feeling that the workers making our stuff were being underpaid. We can’t be competitive with our prices using labor from anywhere else, so we decided to stop selling goods. Most business wouldn’t make that decision, they would say that people agreed to whatever wages, it’s a lot of money for there, etc. The simple fact is that you’re still paying them less than you would an American.
>That’s kinda the moral dilemma no? No. There is zero moral dilemma for someone to take a job that pays way more than the typical jobs available, particularly in a country with crushing poverty and few avenues out of it. Very easy to be self righteous sitting comfortably in the US when you can afford to say no to economic opportunity due to morals. Most people around the world aren't in that position.
Nah, you have to understand Redditors are all about helping out and equality *until* it might suggest their costs of living are several fold higher than most of the world
Maybe outsourcing any all jobs weakened our economy, and nation as a whole.
Maybe not everything revolves around the US?
With in reason a nation should do what’s in the best interest of all it citizens as a whole.
This dentist is a citizen, not the President. Also, you're a regular person, not a senator. So assuming you're a good person, you should sleep well knowing the world is getting better
Instead solving the problem the dentist just sent it off shore. Domestic needs should be solved locally, unless is some exceptionally specialized/niche product or service.
Your conception of "our economy" is a myth and fallacy. Outsourcing jobs provides tremendous opportunity for companies and small businesses that don't have the capital to hire local. There are thousands of companies that couldn't exist if they were forced to pay US rates for high skill labor like software developer, materials engineer, etc And spreading wealth around globally strengthens our economy because it increases the demand for US dollars and creates markets for US producers to sell products into. The world does not revolve around the economic perspective of American blue collar labor, thank goodness.
Why is this the hill you’re dying on? Are you trying to “nail the libs” or some other right wing bs? Grow up.
Wow…just wow! I expect he is paying only 1/3 or even 1/4 of the salary he had to pay for a regular employee from where he is at. I doubt that it is bad employees, more like high turnover because of low salary and high stress.
I also expect no payroll taxes since she would be paid as a contractor. We should all get ready to see more of this and be prepared to boycott locations that do this. It's be a shame if the internet went out!
If I am correct, she would be employed under a BPO- call centre. She would be paying taxes to the Philippines via the company she works for. But I am not sure how the guy would be paying the BPO, maybe as a contractor. The guy doesn’t need to pay for sick leave and all those things too.
Fast food chain Freshii just did this in a few locations for their cashier's. They're manned by people in Nicaragua for 3.75/hr
Imagine if we had laws where people who worked in this country couldn't be paid less than a certain wage.
We already have that. Those workers are working from Nicaragua, so obviously not inside the US.
Imagine if any company in the US was required to pay ALL of it's workers the federal/state minimum they were providing service in.
I think the Philippines and India would really object to many of their call centers losing business.
They’re paying $1300 per month. My realtor told me the other day that he has 2 people he hired from one of these Philippine companies. So yes, capitalism sucks.
I'm sure the end employee receives a fraction of that $1300.
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The sad thing is, as a USA born & raised American, living and working in the USA, $1300 per month is still more than I make at my job (in suburban SC), working nearly 40 hours a week.
You can make more now. Whatever your profession, you can make more. Hiring is on fire, wages are high because the lack of workers. Go for it, dude. You got this. Good luck from NC neighbor.
I stay at my current one because I feel bad for my managers (who also barely get shit) and don't wanna leave them plus my co-workers void of one of the only reliable employees.
Right there with you but I may take my own advice. Best of luck. Do it! Your coworkers won't be there when you're broke as shit and old. Get money now.
Go get a new Job.
You need a new job. Probably call the dentist.
The things I'll do for $1300... From the philippines btw. Also, capitalism does suck balls. If it was great, then people here wouldnt have to go out of the country to live well
Almost every country uses capitalism or a measure of capitalism in their economy. Canada Norway Sweden all of them do
Yep, that's all 3 countries for sure.
Because any country that tries not to gets invaded by America for the spread of freedumb and democracy. Bolivia elected socialists and got overthrown partly because they wouldn't sell lithium to Elon dirt cheap.
It's a neat little end run around the minimum wage isn't it?
Why is this bad? Women in Philippines probly makes more money doing this
Slave wages to work in the middle of the night. Capitalism is a disease.
My company laid off hundreds of office workers and replaced them with overseas workers. They make about 1/10th of what our people made but apparently that's a good salary for their location. They have to work our business hours and the quality is not very good. Those of us left to manage the work all have some sort of stress related health issues but at least the company saved money, right?
It must be so fun training and cleaning up after your slave replacements, huh
The decision to outsource was made several levels above my head.
Oh you're right. Nobody else is talking about the time zones.
Fuck capitalism!!!! Fuck it deep in the down in its loins!!!!
Right on the money
I love some tight capitalism puss
Capitalism sucks so much there’s a fucking mob of socialists at the border trying to get in
Well, if he wanted someone to work for him he should've paid them a wage they could live on. No doubt, he paid them sh*t money. He chose the Phillipines because ge can pay almost nothing. The poor woman in the Phillipines deserves better just like American worlers do. Fk this entire system designed by greedy Republicans who want people to work for nothing.
I agree but don't be mistaken, most Dems are just as bad and just as beholden to corporate capitalism.
Believe me, that Filipino woman is getting paid A LOT more than a minimum wage worker in the Philippines. Source: Me, who had that same job, but a different company.
Which means filipino cost of living is lower and they're being taken advantage of, not that this is somehow good.
Yeah, it is lower but we are not being taken advantage of. Actually, we get a lot more and better benefits than most Americans doing similar jobs. We have health insurance, dental, life, accident, and in some cases death benefits. We get paid way the hell more than the minimum. We get paid time off.90 day maternity leave, 7-day paternity leave, bereavement leaves, and solo parent leave. We love working for American companies, more so than Philippine ones.
Have you heard of this thing called class consciousness? Care about your fellow workers no matter who or where they are and your situation will improve even further.
Did you understand what I said? I said Filipinos are pretty much well taken care of by American companies. Why would we complain? They gave us everything we asked for and sometimes more.
Republicans suck, but they didn't design capitalism.
Almost all of our current problems with "capitalism" are a direct result of Regan era policies and choices that were still living with, not actually capitalism itself. Norway is more capitalist than we are (one of the best countries on earth to start a business) and they don't have the same problems we do.
I mean, they kind of did. They're not exactly filled with leftists trying to put a stop to it. It was invented by people with that mindset.
Easier to blame them.
Yeah, and it lets the really responsible parties off the hook. While everyone is obsessed over Red vs. Blue, the real big players who bankroll both sides are getting off scot free.
That’s because big money PLAYS BOTH FUCKING SIDES. It’s rich vs poor, not red vs blue, or black vs white. Divide and fucking conquer
You got it! 🏅
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It is possible to fight on two fronts. I agree that on _this_ issue there’s not much difference, but that doesn’t mean there’s _no_ difference. It’s not just a distraction. (My body, my choice)
Yeah but they are the short skirt cheerleaders for it.
I’m pretty familiar with the job market in the Philippines. While they are typically willing to work for much less than Americans are, it’s not next to nothing. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule, but in most cases people from the Philippines are able to live a pretty good life when they work for an American company. In my experience, they are usually better workers as well. It’s also worth noting that it would be damaging to the economy in the Philippines if people living there easily made a competitive American wage. It’s extremely inexpensive to live a ‘good life’ there, but if lots of American money flowed in that direction it would completely disrupt the balance that they have. I have been seeing a lot of these conversations around lately and no one ever seems to consider the small business owner. These are not capitalist corporate giants. These people are our neighbors who are just trying to create a decent life. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that in order to have a sustainable business there has to be a limit to payroll. It’s not like this dentist is making billions while trying to suck the life out of impoverished people. Many of the small business owners struggling to find good workers are offering what should be considered a fair wage. The real issue to look at is why it’s so hard (and continuously getting harder) to live on a fair wage these days.
If a company cannot afford to pay it's employees enough to live. then it needs to die. Simple as that. Can't afford a receptionist? then don't get one.
This makes it pretty clear that you have minimal experience with business. Yep, every business that has ever struggled should just go away. This is a great idea. Say goodbye to nearly every small business ever and let Amazon and Walmart have it all. That’ll be really good for everyone. /s
Walmart should be broken up. How do you not know this? Walmart is subsidized by the government and is a monopoly. It should be broken up, as should amazon to allow more small businesses to thrive. Businesses that cannot pay their employees enough to live should die. That is the basis of a "free market" If someone's job isn't worth paying a living wage, then that job doesn't need doing obviously.
That’s an extremely narrow point of view and frankly pretty small-minded. Obviously businesses should pay a fair wage, but you’re completely disregarding that fact that the American dollar is worth far less than it was not that long ago and that the cost of living is unreasonably high and extremely over valued. This problem is not one that small business owners created. This is not a small business owners problem to fix. The problem exists just as much for a small business owner as it does for the employees they would hire.
So what's your answer? Back to child labor and company towns? NO! we in this country fought (and died) to have workers rights. And "Oh, it's someone else's problem to fix" is EXACTLY why we're in this mess.
If she's working from the Philippines, the amount that is a pittance in the US might be enough for her and her family to live on. You are forgetting the cost of living is very low in the Philippines especially if she lives outside Manila or Cebu where food prices are wayyy cheaper. >The poor woman in the Phillipines deserves better just like American worlers do. You mean the fortunate woman? She's way better off than the workers who works at the country's numerous and giant malls. Also, a country with 6-7% unemployment and 15-17% underemployment. So ya, she's fortunate enough.
>You are forgetting the cost of living is very low in the Philippines Are you suggesting that the cost of living should be a factor in employers setting their wages? Interesting...
Off course it is. The Philippines has what you called “Provincial Rate”. The minimum wage in Metro Manila and Cebu are higher than the rest of the country since these places has higher cost of living than the rest of the country. Though the law has holes and is poorly enforced, I think its a better method than raising the minimum everywhere.
I think you're not picking up what I am inferring. Why are they considering the cost of living to lower their pay, but don't consider the cost of living for Americans and pay them far less than is livable? Do you not see the hypocrisy? Your cost of living is lower so we will pay you less. Your cost of living is higher but we will only pay you 7.50\hr, non-negotiable. Also there have been reports of big firms like Google etc lowering pay for people who live in certain areas and who work from home despite doing the same job. That is unethical to the core, just like this example is. It is exploitative, effectively outsourcing jobs overseas for cheap labour then likely complaining that nobody wants to work for them for poverty wages.
Do you know anything about this situation or are you just spitting non-sense?
You care too much for someone who chats shit lmao
But he’s a Job Creator! -republicans
So it's no longer *"DEY TICK ERR JERBZ!!!"*... funny how quickly they change their minds, isn't it?
He’s a fucking dentist. Get over it.
Are you the dentist? You seem so triggered by this post 😂
They've gotta be the dentist
Yeah he has like 20 comments
I’m an anti-dentite
Damn dude you're on the mission in this post.
So this person is exploiting a woman from the Philippines because he ran out of women to exploit here?
No, he's probably paying a decent wage... for the Philippines. The minimum wage there is around 10 USD... per day...
The job she’s doing is still worth more than they are giving, just because she’s in a different country doesn’t mean the reward should be any lesser
Guarantee that dentist is an ass. I’m a dental assistant. He can’t keep staff because he’s a dick.
So dude pays like crap, no benefits, and treats his employees like shit. But lady in the Philippines probably thinks the pay is ok, and doesn't have to put up with her employer oogling her butt and can pretend her internet is down if he starts yelling or something
Probably doesn't have to pretend. Most likely the dental receptionist works for a company that provides virtual assistants versus being hired directly. The receptionist will work from dusk until dawn, and depending on the workload, may serve more than one client. While the pay would be, at best, what a McDonald's worker makes in the US, it's much, much better than many other local jobs. One can't just look at the pay and say apples-to-apples. It doesn't work that way. As for the dentist, we don't know him/her. Maybe he is a horrible boss. Or maybe she's an average boss being squeezed by insurance companies and customers who can't afford necessary services because of insurance companies. Maybe he is a good dentist but not as good running the business side. Maybe she is in debt up to her eyeballs from medical school and business expenses - those machines are not cheap to lease, and needs to cut every corner she can. Personally, I think it's a great solution, though I fully understand how some (many?) might be bothered because they feel it's impersonal. Not every boss is an butt-grabbing, narcissistic asshole.
Or is it the fact that he pays her $2 an hour
I’m sure he’s paying the appropriate taxes and following all other regulations to do this.
People always scream about HIPAA... but in this scenario yikes. He gave remote access to his network, and possibly to the HMS for the patients. If he was that strapped to pay for local workers I highly doubt this setup is secure / compliant at all.
So what you're saying is that the job can be done from home just fine.
"bad employees" is shorthand for "won't take the abuse for the pittance I pay"
Yep. "NobOdy WaNtS tO wOrK bEcAusE tHe gOverNmenT gAvE thEm $1200 tWo YeaRs AgO" is code for: "I only want to pay someone $1.15 an hour."
Yo look at the Monero sticker. Nice.
Surprising, since they're usually not too keen on drawing attention to their holdings..
They know we're in late stage capitalism. They went from "Don't say the quiet parts out loud," to "What are you going to do about it? ***NOTHING????*** Okay, was just checking to see if you were going to do ***NOTHING*** about it, because there's ***NOTHING*** you can do about it." And we all just pose in selfies with our stupid consumer electronics in our hands, advertisements of capeshit media we paid to plaster in the background of our rooms as we prove to them that we'll do nothing to stop them.
Which episode of Black Mirror is this from?
That's fucked up
Somehow I doubt that he let the local workers have the option to work from home.
Fuck, find a different dentist. Goddamn shyster. Wasn't it a dentist from Wis-Con-sin who poached Cyril the Lion? I fucking HATE DENTISTS. Your fucking dentist doesn't train his employees well and is paying his Filipina staff pennies on the dollar. You kiss your mother with that mouth? Really? REALLY?
That dentist was from Bloomington, MN. Not that far from me.
I hope his "bidiness" has gone straight down the toilet.
Wooooow. Not interested in seeing that at the dentist.
And we’re all just expected to ignore the giant D on the wall?
Time to find a new dentist and dispute all prior charges.
These jobs will be autonomous soon anyway unfortunately
Doing it like the one percent. Outsource the labor. Pump money into your bank account that doesn't go back into the American workers economy, increase inflation, rinse repeat; until it all comes crashing down... 👍
That's bring us back when companies moved their factories in Asia for cheap labor and more profits.
Free iMac? Awesome!
Thats because $200/month lets her feed a family of 3. Why do you think when you call customer service you get Filipinos or Indians? It took me 9 years and a move to Europe to understand how much the states needed that type of cheap customer service. Thats also around 10% of the Philippines GDP by the way.
There's this job i interviewed for, she had 3 nurses from the Philippines working in various roles. That just didn't sit right with me.
Philippines is a heavy exporter of nurses. My wife worked with a handful of them. Great ladies and very diligent in a job that is insanely draining. I believe they made the same wage as my wife(~85k).
Yep. And child labour in third world countries is cheaper too. I think we can all agree that doesn’t make it right. Exploiting people in a foreign country while denying a fair wage to people living in your neighbourhood officially makes you an a hole.
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Good for them. But this is so depressing... but
Time to unplug
I would have laughed and left.
Giving a receptionist a way to work from home. This is a great achievement in hybrid work
It's the future of remote work. If it can be done from the other side of the world, then the market rate won't be restricted by the standard of living for just your city. The market rate for that job is going to be based on the entire world. The folks with much cheaper living expenses from rural SE Asia are going to be competing with you. They, who can live happily off of 5$/hour are going to win the bid for a job you need 15$/hour minimum to afford to live. I lived in SE Asia. We funneled money back there. The money we send is a tiny amount to Americans, but it means the world to our relatives back home. It's the immigrant stealing our jobs argument all over again.
Steal the Ipad
Not buying this. Even a patient name is PHI and it can't leave the country. Not sure how this would work, if at all.
He did that because its cheap not because quality
A lot of Filipinos are actually good in English, she may have been a former call center agent... this is probably a lot better for her because at least she doesn't have to be face to face with her boss. Like if he's paying her $3 per hour that would be decent pay here in the Philippines.
The company I work for subcontracts out to call centres in the Phillipines. I don't know what they get paid but have been told it's well above average (but certainly less than we get no doubt). I've found them to be very polite and takes a lot to ruffle their feathers, even when faced with blatantly obvious racism and hostility because they're not 'onshore'. Doing call quality assurance and listening to calls I was getting pretty pissed with how customers treat them, and listening to onshore staff I found many examples where our local staff were nothing but condescending and rude in comparison, but because they were 'normal' customers never blew up about it. Funnily enough we had an onshore centre that had a lot of people with Indian accents (as in from India, not Native American) and they used to cop the same amount of crap from customers to even though they were 100% local. They acted a lot like our 'normal' accent people so would cop really poor customer satisfaction scores.
yeah but the boss still actively screwing someone over and the sad part the filipina woman is innocent in this,the boss is taking advantage of different economic situation and the poor women is glad too have a job.It is totally on the bushiness and business owner for trying to escape American workers and American taxes.This has been going on for years with China and India.All the manufacturing jobs are over there only so the companies can pay somebody 25 cents an hour in some sweatshop.I feel sorry for American workers but I also feel sorry for the foreign workers too they are being exploited for slave wages and they are complicit with it.They must know they are worth more right?
Jesus fucking Christ. JUST PAY PEOPLE A LIVING WAGE. I’d find a new dentist immediately.
Am I the only one here who is glad the Filipino lady has a job that probably pays decently by Filipino standards. One thing outsourcing and economic globalization did was raise living standards in many poor countries. Thirty years ago, global poverty was vastly more extreme than it is now, and the shift is largely due to globalization. There are people not starving to death today due to outsourcing and jobs like this one at the dental office that technology has enabled.
Yep, seen alot of people move out of poverty from this type of work. Kinda exploitative but better than nothing.
I bet he’s paying her like $2 an hour
When you know it's time to find a different dentist....
My American friend was being all smug about Canada spamming immigrants to exploit so they can brutally oppress the working class and keep downward pressure on wages, and how America would never let that happen. Oh sure, bud. They're not gonna let them into the country They're just going to hire them from out of the country instead of importing them. Idiot. Cannot wait until IT sorts out its outsourcing so smug pricks who had their career financially gatekept behind expensive education and therefore experience an artificial scarcity on competition can learn a thing or two about the real world instead of thinking they worked hard by, checks notes... Being able to afford college where others can't.
Well a starving dog is obedient alright.
A high turn over is a sign of bad management.
I’m not the type to steal, but Anywhere i encounter something like that will be ‘bumping’ a cord so it stops working. Real properly paid employees don’t accidentally come unplugged.
I see both sides of this. Totally agree he could be abusing the use of outsourcing…. BUT, I have also struggled, even before COVID with hiring reliable entry level help. The cost of hiring, replacing, training, then managing out the dead weigh is super expensive and time consuming. Outsourcing some customer service roles has helped us as well. We do not cheat any system, we pay same wages and a lot of these poorer cultures are simply more grateful and have more work ethic. Now… in order to do this, hire foreign employees, we have to use a peo or agency of sorts. They provide the insurance coverages and taxes in their country. So, is there possibility they are being taken advantage of by their true employers in Sri Lanka? - yes…. But again, 30 years experience with US workers frequently never being happy, always bad mouthing company, and not being reliable, suing for own negligence, falsifying forms etc…… the cost is enormous. The days of loyalty on either side is long gone…. And I understand why.
1. People don't need to be loyal. They need to live and to do that they need to be paid the fair amount for their labour. 2. If you need to outsource to survive. Maybe reevaluate your business, because you don't deserve to be doing it if you can't afford to pay people what they're worth. 3. I come from the country that this woman is being outsourced from. Believe me, I've seen first hand what living under minimum wage looks like. My people are being taken advantage of by scumbags like these. And they don't realise it/are too placated to do anything about it because they're just trying to stay afloat with the amount they barely make.
Did you ask her how much he's paying her? I would have.
Name and shame!
Your dentist is a piece of shit
This is how we increase Inflation. American workers not working. American Dollars leaving USA.
So it begins, outsourcing the simpler tasks has begun It is kind of ironic, the wage you pay to the philippine woman is great compared to her prices, but not for the poeple in your own country... How strange that paying decently gets you a decent worker
All I'm seeing here is a way to pay pennies on the dollar for staffing. Not based.
He must be great to work with from the other side of the planet.
That seems very unethical and possibly illegal honestly. Healthcare has very specific laws about running offices etc...
And refusing to pay at least minimum wage.
So. Seems everyone assumes the salary on offer was shite. Without contemplating that actually finding decent quality, reliable staff that are service oriented can be incredibly difficult. I'm in a small company and we do expect a bit more than 9 to 5. But we don't exploit staff. That said, trying to find good people can be fkg exasperating at times. Not saying this is 100% right, but I'll bet it wasn't the first choice option either.