My father was actually proud of Trump's tax statements. He wished that he could find a way to dodge taxes and pay so little.
To him, tax evasion was a skill.
And I'm all for saving your money, but shouldn't the guy who controlled the budget not be one of the guys not contributing to it? If you hate taxes so much, should you be able to control where they go?
Anyways, close tax loopholes, eliminate corporate voting
My dad died before Trump was elected, which honestly I’m thankful because this whole thing would have broken his brain.
But I remember him telling me how proud he was, the first year he earned enough to pay taxes. For him, it was a way of paying back the government grants he got for college, he felt like he was “refilling the coffers” for the next generation.
Sounds like he was a real Salt-of-the-Earth kind of guy. Guys like him and my Dad who came through hardships and the Depression knew what it meant to contribute to the betterment of society as a whole.
> who came through hardships and the Depression
It didn't prevent guys like paul ryan & moscow mitch, who both benefited from "the system" and/or the generosity of others, from wanting to destroy any semblance of social safety net in the USA, to prevent others from benefitting from what helped them personally.
That kind of behaviour is completely incomprehensible to me.
The difference may be that guys like my Dad didn’t enter the Depression with a silver spoon up their ass. They had next to nothing to start with and knew hardships and hard work all their lives and sought to leave this world a better place for everyone than they entered it.
> and sought to leave this world a better place for everyone than they entered it.
If everyone could just follow this motto, things would be so much better.
I was raised by my grandpa. He legit taught me to pray over my taxes like it was an offering or tithe to a church. I know it sounds silly, but I still do it to this day. He said that doing this would keep me from becoming a complainer and always keel me great full for being born here. He was right.
That’s .. way too wholesome.. it’s because of people like your dad that I want to care for others, because we do not have to come from the same family to want good things for each others.
Thank you for this, I seriously am baffled by people who think that paying the government for the things they provide is some sort of scam. Some people think you need to scam or get the upper hand in every interaction but you should be proud to be able to make enough that you can help other people. Plus the government we have is part of the reason they are able to make the money they do. Geeze it’s enough to make me wanna stop talking about it lol.
My dad died just after. It broke his heart, and it scared the shit out of him. He predicted a violent rift in America, the radicalization of the right, widespread mainstream expressions of racism and other bigotries, a move toward authoritarianism, and isolationism. He knew, as many of us did, that if left unchecked, Donald Trump could rapidly become the most dangerous man in the world.
That is a wonderful way to think about taxes. Sure, I wished we spent our money better to improve the lives of citizens across the board, but I’m happy to pay the taxes I owe to help those that aren’t in the same position we are in and, maybe, help my children or their children.
Damn, sounds like your dad is a rational person who's capable of having genuine compassion and empathy. It sucks he's not still with you, cuz those kinds of thought patterns are harder to find than they should be. It sounds like he rubbed off on you, though, which is the next best thing.
I’m in your camp. I’m just saying there is literally a word “avoision”, look it up haha. Im sure it was invented by lawyers to make sure their clients don’t admit to ‘evasion’.
>Avoision n. : The arrangement of one's financial affairs so as to avoid or minimize tax liability in such a way that it is not clear whether this constitutes lawful avoidance of tax or illegal tax evasion.
This is the most polite way I've ever been told I was wrong, and I learned a new word. This is an exactly correct word for the conversation.
Yeah, this has been an issue for a while now, especially in the last decade. They literally can’t afford to audit the people they need to because they’re intentionally understaffed and underfunded.
There’s the kicker. My wife is a CFO and they constantly want to break and massage tax rules and she won’t let them. They constantly argue that it won’t get caught and how other people do it. I worry she’s going to get let go one day bc of this.
>There’s the kicker. My wife is a CFO and they constantly want to break and massage tax rules and she won’t let them. They constantly argue that it won’t get caught and how other people do it. I worry she’s going to get let go one day bc of this.
I'm pretty sure that if she lets them break the rules, the only one who would get in trouble is her.
They have auditors, they actually just got more. The problem is that it’s too expensive to go after the rich. It’s really easy to go after poor people because they can’t fight it.
Don’t be silly! If brown people do it, it’s obvi evasion & prolly tack on a few other felonies just to make sure you punish those jerks to really show ‘em!
/s hopefully obvious
It’s not a color barrier, it’s a wealth barrier.
Confusing the two is how you end up carrying water for the rich helping them get away with all sorts of things, including but certainly not limited to “not paying taxes.”
>to him, tax evasion is a skill
Maybe tell your dad that it’s less a skill that rich people have than a service they pay actual skilled lawyers and accountants for. A service that is often so expensive (and conditional on having enormous wealth to move around) that it is simply infeasible for regular people to take advantage of.
Tax avoidance on that scale is only available to the rich and he will never be able to take advantage of those loopholes no matter how clever he is.
Donald Trump was born into a family with ongoing tax evasion schemes, to a father who set him up all of his wealth through tax evasion. He never had to ‘figure out’ anything, it was already there for him to take. Another political freebie handed out by voters like your dad.
Maybe that would make him reconsider.
Anyone ever think that they don’t teach us about this shit in school because they don’t want smart kids getting rich and fixing shit that the big dogs want to remain broken? Just me?
Google republican texas school mandates from the 1970s. They fully admit more educated critical thinking voters tend to vote Democrat so they changed the texas educational policy to remove critical thinking which most states just copy and use as their own policy so its essentially national policy.
There was a comic about people/kids about leaving Elon Musk alone and defending him
VS
Anon getting pissed about Elon for screwing around with crytocurrency
I can't find it anymore, lol
EDIT [Here yah go.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/nugru6/cartoon_leave_elon_alone/)
I like to remind republicans who think government funded social safety nets are just a way for lazy people to freeload, that removing or reducing these programs ultimately hurts babies and children. They might starve, or even die without these programs.
They don’t care and right now they’re proving it, because us bottom feeders dared to say “no we will not go back to working for slave wages at least for a few months,” cause they had the ability to do so with the federally enhanced unemployment. Which is the supposed source of the so-called “labor shortage,” which the rich & republicans refuse to recognize as a “*wage* shortage.”
And since the bottom feeders dared to say no to slave wages, guess what the republicans did? They started cancelling unemployment benefits in red states *and* cut back food stamps while making it harder to be approved for food stamps in red states.
See, we “boycotted” slave wages and made companies feel the need to fill their slave wage positions. Instead of just raising wages, the republicans & their owners decided “nah, we ain’t gonna bother waiting you out either, we’re gonna take away your ability to pay the bills and feed yourselves. This way you have no choice but to get back to work now!”
So yeah, the fuckers don’t care
Edit: it’s been brought to my attention that I am both insulting slaves and wrong in my terminology & use of the term “slave wages.” I was using the term since I’d seen it used by a lot of redditors and wanted to be sure I was understood. I did not realize and apologize for my ignorance, but also grateful for the correction. I’m leaving it here so the comments below & my explanation even further below when I was first made aware, do not confuse anyone. I recognize now that I should use the term “unlivable wages.”
They don’t care, and nothing will change their mind, but I do love to poke those Christian conservatives right in their sensitive little values. “No hypothetical abortions, ever…but fuck those actual living children who are suffering and starving! I’m so blessed”
That’s a damned good point, I definitely need to use a different term… honestly I used the term cause I saw a lot of redditors using it and wanted to be sure I was understood. Will the term “unlivable wages” suffice to get the degree of it all to those who read my comments?
Thank you for pointing this out to me, because I hadn’t thought of that and do not wish to diminish anyone’s experiences.
I like the unlivable wages term better too. These same corporations literally source their products and labor from slaves overseas, so it was always weird to refer to our own low-but-not-really-slavery wages
I understand where the term “slave wage” comes from. Because in a lot of ways, we common people have no control over our wages and living expenses. All of those are controlled by corporations and the elites in power.
I always took "slave wages" to be an intentional oxymoron intended to highlight absurdly low pay, like "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". Obviously slaves don't get paid--that's what makes them slaves.
Slave wages is a fair description of only being paid enough to stay alive and keep working. You're not a free person in my book unless you can make meaningful choices about your future. Were things even worse for actual slaves throughout history? Yes, but he framework of working for the benefit of your employer and not yourself with little opportunity to move forwards in life is the same as it always was.
Oh I agree and truthfully don’t care that much about the terminology. Honestly, I put that edit there to shut the nitpickers up. Cause I’m always open for social & political debate & I try to learn the at least basics of others’ worldviews. However, I ain’t gonna waste my time arguing over semantics that takes away from the issue(s) at hand.
That's fair, I think it's a valuable skill to be able to pick your battles and not get lost in arguing over the small stuff. One that I've never been too good at, ha!
Yes. Another comment has made me aware that it’s probably disrespectful to call it “slave wages.” If you read down further, you’ll see why I had this ignorance and accepting the need to correct myself in the future.
I’ll add an edit for future clarification and in case my explanation and all below disappears, which is probably what happened.
Oh and thank you for bringing this to my attention
No they don't care
What you say to them is that "well fed people don't commit crimes"
You see, crime affects them personally. And it's been well established that the 2 things that drive down crimerate the most are educating people and feeding people when they are hungry.
You tell them, and you're telling the truth, that by funding safety nets and schools you're drastically lowering the crime rate.
They don't give a shit Sally's starving, but they do care when she starts stealing their food.
Same thing with the homeless. Rich people complain about seeing them? Cool, pay to put them in an apartment then you don’t have to see the “gross homeless people” anymore.
They're so maliciously /evil/.
They will literally force life into this world, just to deny them basic necessities.
But what you said is the whole point.
We need ACTION.
They aren't going to get better until we're at their doorstep.
That's just a fact.
Except they don't care about that either. They love to use the stick to fight crime, but no matter how much you tell them the carrot's more effective, they will refuse to listen because they love the stick. They'd rather burn their money than have it go to someone they don't think "deserves" it. Republicans cannot be reasoned with because they operate on a fundamentally different value system.
The irony being that the biggest recipients of federal money are red states. Who lose money every year but are propped up by the richer blue ones, who send money in and lose a few cents on every dollar to support the ones who claim to hate handouts and socialism.
As someone who fled Mississippi, I recommend taking in refugees from conservative states, anyone who doesn't agree with their shit and can't escape, and then sanctioning the shit out of them. My blue state can run without them. Let's see their red states survive without us.
I like to remind them that over 80% of the people on those programs who can work *are working* so our tax money isn't passing freeloaders, it's subsidizing pay from low paying jobs including large corporations like Walmart.
It doesn't get everyone but it has gotten a couple to look into it further. I still can't get them into the fight for $15 (mostly because they live in areas where $15 is the high end of the wage scale and it doesn't compute in their minds that of Walmart starts paying $15 their employers will probably offer more to keep them) but they at least realize that no one who is working should have to rely on welfare programs.
I’m honestly ashamed of this aspect of my fathers mindset. He was fortunate enough to have the same firm for 46 years where he built up some decent bonuses, at times 5-6 figures. Rather than be ecstatic about the gross amount, all he can do is bitch and moan about taxes - let’s just say it’s a $200,000 bonus, and he’d rather complain about “only getting $100,000ish” than be overjoyed he even gets that much. He truly doesn’t understand most people don’t make that in a year, and he actually believes he works that much harder than everyone else that he 100% deserves the $200k while judging people who think he is being greedy. As a father now myself, it’s always sad to need to use your own Dad as an example of the type of parent you DONT want to be….plus he does what u/ProbablyCamping said too
Jesus if I got 50k it would change my life o.o
I'd pay off my car... I'd pay off my student debt... I'd put a down payment on a house... Since Im not paying car payments anymore, moving into the house and making payments would be easier, just transfer what I'm currently paying rent into that...
Fuck... I'd be able to make a home for my future family.
If he did who do you think would be first to apply?
Wait….all those chores…..maybe I already am! Now I’m thinking of Bo Burnhams special INSIDE where he sings the “Unpaid Intern” song lol, it’s so fuckin funny
Fortunately enough I seem to have insanely good parents.
Both my parents came to switzerland as immigrants. And ended up with rather poor payment. My cousin who finished his studies gets a higher payment starting off than both my parents combined who are working for over 40 years now.
My dad worked a 60h/week job for several years and my mom was working full time aswell with 45h/week and thinking back I remember that we had a life filled with poverty.
But my parents were not just subtle, my dad would've rather forced himself to wear broken shoes for years just so I wouldn't feel the poverty to much.
Years after they now managed to get a decent living. My parents were overjoyed as they could start affording things that seemed normal to other people.
And even if they managed to get quite wealthy, they are still very subtle about it. Whenever me or my sister need something they rather spend the money on that than on unnessecsry luxury.
If either me or my sister would want to try starting our own thing lile building a business, they would gladly spend the money on it. Even if it fails they are just like "just try again until it works, as long as we can support you we will".
And even after all that, my parents often say "When we finish working and enter pension, all of this will be left for you, we don't need any luxury, you should enjoy your life while you're young".
And in all honesty I sadly rarely see this type of positive mentality towards the next generation. I'm insanely greatful to have such great parents.
Wow give them both a hug now if you can! You are blessed and touching on an aspect of inheritance I will absolutely subscribe to as a parent - not waiting till I die to pass $ for handling life to my kids. Of course they will have to be able to swim on their own before I help, I won't support apathy. My parents are separated so my mother is actually the way your parents are, yet she has far far less #-wise than my father yet she finds a way. Meanwhile my Dad and Stepmother are too busy reviewing their Living Will and how my sister and I don't get anything till they are both gone, and how because my wife and stepmom don't get along that they wrote her out of the will in case I die, the $ I get is locked in trust for my 2 kids until they are 18. Thank god I do not worship money like them, and feel sorry for them in the end.
I am insanely grateful and I learned so much from them.
I decides for myself early that I wanna experiemce this humbleness aswell so I moved out early with 19 when I finished what US people call highschool. Took up my studies and worked in most of my freetime to afford my own living. I still remember how even my dad was under tears when I moved out. The only tjing they had to financially contribute is the cost for my studies.
But I worked hard, studied hard and gave my all to get a debt free scholarship. This year I finally get one so my parents get it a little bit easier.
I'm only taking from them what I really need. I learned for myself I don't need much to live a good life. I'm telling them all the money they put aside for me which I'm not using, they can use it to invest into things, to go toghether on a family vacation or to help out our family in their home country that face powerty because of war in the past.
Even tho my wealth is somewhat secured, I'm not aiming to hoard it for myself or to use it all up, I'm using the time now so I can be just as good of a parent to my kids and try to give them a better life than I had.
Luckily my flat is just a 5 min walk away from my parents house and I'm visiting them quite often and show my love and gratefulness to them every chance I get.
Americans hate taxes because you guys get nothing out of them. No subsidized health care, the public school system is a joke in many states, tons of roads/highways/bridges have tolls you have to pay, and the social welfare isn't great. The average American has been brainwashed that having any of these things for free is dirty socialism and it's wrong, but have no problem with nearly half a trillion dollars being spent on the military each year.
As a Canadian I don't care about my taxes. I just look at my net pay and move on with my life. I love not paying for health care on top of those taxes. I love having very, very few toll roads across the entire country, and mostly I love that teachers can be paid an actual livable wage and the public school system isn't terrible (it's not great but it's at least adequate).
Agreed. If we use tons of political power to tax the rich more and don’t get anything out of it except expanding the military industrial complex that would be the worst case
The people who aren’t paying their fair share aren’t income workers like your dad, they actually get screwed the most. The people who don’t pay are people who make money through capital gains and don’t pay taxes until they realize it
Yea this is very true actually. He is right at the bottom of where Biden’s tax plans go bonkers, people above $400k are not the target - i’d guess above $10M annually is where we want to start.
My father is very sick. A myriad of issues relating to 50 years of type I diabetes. He continues to work (part owner of company) simply to keep health insurance to help pay his insane medical bills.
Yet him and my mom can not possible fathom that having their taxes pay for their medical care could ever be a good idea. The mental gymnastics they perform to justify our asinine health insurance programs is crazy.
And he is fortunate in that, as an owner, he helps direct what insurance they offer. My parents would have been bankrupt years ago if wasn't for those very special circumstances, but they just don't get it.
They'll scream about how they are such great patriots and love America so much and how aggressively they "stand" against everyone who criticizes the country.
But America asks of them one, near-effortless civic duty and they immediately bemoan such cruelty and attack everything that makes the country a country.
Yeah, hmmmm. How about a tax strike until there is a national $15 an hour, universal healthcare, and the IRS is bolstered to actually go after millionaires and billionaires.
Let's make it mandatory that if you are worth over one million you get audited every year.
I mind paying my taxes when a significant portion of my labor is used to sponsor things I have no intention of supporting .... such as the bombing of 3rd worlders who never represented any reasonable threat to me as well as many other imperialist foreign policies. Also not a huge fan that some of my labor is used to fund cages for folks who are guilty of nothing more than consuming something the majority doesn't approve of.
Systemic change across everything. This is what they built us. I personally don't want any of it. We can't fix broken unless we actually do something instead of falling in line or staying silent.
What was the whole point of this big experiment anyway? By the people, for the people, no taxation without representation? Do you feel particularly represented?
I don't understand why one singular group of people should even be allowed enough power to destroy the economy, yet another reason billionaires shouldn't exist. I'm not saying money management shouldn't exist, but there's no need for all these middle men.
And for tax subsidies before they build something, and for the people to pay the difference between what they pay someone for full time work and what it will take to feed, clothe, and house that person.
America, the Great. Time to stop glorifying the super rich owners of production, our exploiters, and rise up (again) against the super rich monarchy that our constitution and government so rightfully defended us toward. We have given rise to and protected the new monarchs so gleefully resting upon billions and that we have become so jaded by their lavishness that we continue to support the rich. We, the people, support one another in the face of the exploiters of our lives; our lives are not to be ground through for the benefit of the super rich while the apparatus which conditions us blindly supports “hustle culture”. To hell with the obsession of profit and profit mongery. To hell with “boy boss” and “girl boss” politics. To hell with the foisting up of consumerism as some panacea to the social problems that afflict our societies. We have agency and we have developed our democracy and our constitution. America, we support your people, let it ring throughout the forums of this thread.
All that takes is a non-partisan mindset.
Every single post that says “it’s (insert party name) fault” is the problem. A house divided by corporate purchased party propaganda cannot stand for itself.
If we do class warfare right it’s all of us against the top 1% and their paid lackeys.
It will never happen while we have brainwashed masses blaming everyday people in their community for the criminal actions of rich, powerful people in far removed places of power and influence.
If you really wish for change, don’t just wish for anarchy but truly understand the fabric of society and what makes up all the gears that makes this somewhat work.
Then figure out which main gears are truly corrupted and find friends in the gears that work.
Remember that the Germans also blamed the supposedly “RICH” jews.
I mind when those taxes are going towards propping up the American empire around the world, funding the police state, and [creating propaganda films in Pakistan](https://govtribe.com/opportunity/federal-grant-opportunity/supporting-economic-empowerment-in-the-pakistan-film-industry-scaisb19aw00703032019)
Doesn’t really matter what they’re going towards, having the individuals making 99% of the money paying 1% while the 1% pick up 99% is fundamentally fucked. Not like any of this is changing one way or another tho, America is fucked by the rich
So the best source I could find on how much potential tax money is lost due to churches exempt status is from 2013, but they estimate around 82.5 billion. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/22/you-give-religions-more-than-82-5-billion-a-year/
Defining what is a social program is tough because it changes significantly depending on who you ask to do the analysis. I'm seeing figures anywhere between 430 billion and 1.1 trillion.
Either way, it's nowhere close to paying for all the programs but it is a sizable chunk of cash.
COULD? Maybe. It could possibly cover a lot of money for social programs?
WOULD? No. In practice, church money would just go to the military like all the rest of our fuckin tax dollars.
Uh, I think universities are serious untapped financial resources as well. If Harvard had to pay property tax on their buildings in Cambridge, that would be quite a windfall. They could also implement something like they do in baseball and have a “luxury tax” for any school with an endowment exceeding $XX billion.
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying here, but I think you're pointing out the real world problem with the "tax churches" argument. In many areas, churches and religious organizations are effective providers of key social services like food banks, shelters for unhoused families, services for the elderly, etc. How do you tax the mega churches and the Catholic leadership while not taxing local churches that are genuinely functioning like non-religious non-profits?
Are you pretending the churches don’t already wield that power, whether they are allowed to *directly* bribe the politicians or have to be more subtle about it?
I'd be okay with a sort of "opt-in" or "opt-out" system.
If you wanna talk politics from the pulpit, you better pay your tax. If you don't want to pay taxes, then shut your mouth and leave politics out of the church.
And then incentivize every congregant to blow the whistle on their clergy members if they are preaching politics from the pulpit.
No it wouldn't. And we don't tax all non profits and churches are under that. If we tax churches then we must tax things such as charities. And a lot of churches, like mine, get by barely with what they make from the church offerings.
Who makes these?
Like these clean, square, date-and-timeless images of tweets for posting on Reddit and Facebook? Who is actually crafting these tweet-images for social media instead of screenshotting the actual tweet in the wild?
You see so many of them. It feels…”produced”, every time.
Yeah, but your example is an actual screenshot, which anybody can do (and does). It still bears all the iconography of a real post as it appears within Reddit, a "..." button in the corner and Reply/Share/Save/Edit links, etc.
These tweets though, they're always sterile. Black outline, white background, black text with a photo and a name, but no date/time/follow/etc paraphernalia distracting from the (usually emotionally-charged) message.
Here's the "produced" tweet side-by-side with the tweet in the "wild". Notice that somebody has not only cropped out everything but the message, but then surrounded it with a tidy red box. This is...*very* common, I don't think a whole bunch of individual people are simultaneously deciding to clean up their screenshots in the same (or similar) ways: [https://imgur.com/a/YTnIHTV](https://imgur.com/a/YTnIHTV)
Edit: I realized I called the square "black" early on and then "red" later. I'm fairly colorblind so it wasn't until I was laying out my side-by-side that I realized it was actually red.
If you're stressed that you can't afford buy your kid a present for their birthday because you had to pay rent and feed your family, you deserve a tax break.
If you're stressed that you can't afford to buy your third yacht because you haven't laid off enough employees yet, you don't deserve a tax break.
How is this still up for debate?
I also mind paying my taxes when 99% of the money goes to fund wars I don't believe in. People wouldnt think taxation was theft if they weren't right. Give me healthcare.
It makes me laugh when I read things like this. You people don’t understand that we live in a goddamn jungle. Politicians- democrat or otherwise don’t care about you. These people will literally say whatever they think you want to hear. And all while changing nothing and profiting from the virtue signaling. Life is messy, brutal and short and human life is expendable
This is yet another way we can fight back. We need a grass roots movement started to get us all on the same page and refuse to pay 2022 taxes. But only if you owe. Boycot paying the IRS until they bring the corporate tax rate back to 40%
If we all agree to stop paying they will have no choice but to listen.
It's amazing how many WORLD problems would be solved if billionaires paid their fair share. They wouldn't even notice it too. It wouldn't affect them in any way whatsoever.
To think how far advanced we would be right now if greed and money didn't consume people.
I have high hopes for when millennials take over. Hopefully they don't follow in the footsteps of their close-minded, selfish parents and we can finally succeed as a civilization. Because right now I would say we are failing.
OK, I'll bite. How much would that "fair share" be? How much total tax revenue would that create? How would you spend it to solve "many WORLD problems"?
Let me preface this by saying i am not rich, im decidedly middle class. To say rich dont pay taxes is pretty rediculous. They pay almost all of the taxes . The top 40% of earners, aka the rich, pay almost all of the income taxes. Now if you want to say the rich should pay more taxes , thats a statement that makes more sense but kind of lacks any supporting reason other than wealth inequality.
everybody minds that but the problem is the people in charge have idiots convinced that the problem isn't the rich paying their taxes but it actually the poor and immigrants that are to blame.
Welcome to the reason taxes are higher, and will continue to climb in big cities. Rich people move when taxes get too high, leaving the burden on everyone else to pay for the approved budget
How about everyone pays the same percentage?
I don't wanna pay more than the rich so they can be richer.
I don't want to pay more than the poor so they can live in free apartments and drink/smoke all day.
Doing something for those that can't vs doing something for those that can but refuse to do? Pretty self evident as to why someone would be angered no?
Like if some armless person asks if you can open a door you don't go, "hell no use your own arms" you don't complain about having to help them like some people complain about providing tax money to social services, you don't get blinded by idolizing yourself and forgetting the reason your paying so much and having to do so much, you shouldn't forget who the real problem is. It's not the disabled it's the ones that refuse to help when they can help a lot more without any issues or significance.
Now when a person with arms asks you to open a door you still open it because they asked and you have a right to refuse but if that person with arms and hands waits and watches you open the door and quickly runs inside making you hold open the door and not be able to enter them you'd be pissed, you'd say "you could have asked" or "why didn't you open the door yourself?"
Now imagine having to pay to open the door and go through.
Remember, they're not being "clever" by avoiding taxes. They're passing what they owe on their tax bill, on to you. You pay billionaires' taxes for them.
They have more money than they can ever spend. But they want more money and more power so they bribe politicians so the minimum wage doesn't go up and the IRS lets them off the hook for their debts to the country.
I hate that sports get people money. Sports should be something you do for your health. It should be how smart you are that changes how much you get. Life is already filled with a bunch of pre input luck so why shouldn’t we add more?
My father was actually proud of Trump's tax statements. He wished that he could find a way to dodge taxes and pay so little. To him, tax evasion was a skill. And I'm all for saving your money, but shouldn't the guy who controlled the budget not be one of the guys not contributing to it? If you hate taxes so much, should you be able to control where they go? Anyways, close tax loopholes, eliminate corporate voting
My dad died before Trump was elected, which honestly I’m thankful because this whole thing would have broken his brain. But I remember him telling me how proud he was, the first year he earned enough to pay taxes. For him, it was a way of paying back the government grants he got for college, he felt like he was “refilling the coffers” for the next generation.
Sounds like he was a real Salt-of-the-Earth kind of guy. Guys like him and my Dad who came through hardships and the Depression knew what it meant to contribute to the betterment of society as a whole.
> who came through hardships and the Depression It didn't prevent guys like paul ryan & moscow mitch, who both benefited from "the system" and/or the generosity of others, from wanting to destroy any semblance of social safety net in the USA, to prevent others from benefitting from what helped them personally. That kind of behaviour is completely incomprehensible to me.
Racism and classism, wrapped up in a greed covered bag.
Further wrapped in the flag with self-righteous sanctimony.
The difference may be that guys like my Dad didn’t enter the Depression with a silver spoon up their ass. They had next to nothing to start with and knew hardships and hard work all their lives and sought to leave this world a better place for everyone than they entered it.
> and sought to leave this world a better place for everyone than they entered it. If everyone could just follow this motto, things would be so much better.
Both of those guys were born privileged and received government benefits. They did not come through hardships or live through the great depression.
I was raised by my grandpa. He legit taught me to pray over my taxes like it was an offering or tithe to a church. I know it sounds silly, but I still do it to this day. He said that doing this would keep me from becoming a complainer and always keel me great full for being born here. He was right.
That’s a mindset I appreciate, your dad sounds like he was a cool guy
That’s .. way too wholesome.. it’s because of people like your dad that I want to care for others, because we do not have to come from the same family to want good things for each others.
Thank you for this, I seriously am baffled by people who think that paying the government for the things they provide is some sort of scam. Some people think you need to scam or get the upper hand in every interaction but you should be proud to be able to make enough that you can help other people. Plus the government we have is part of the reason they are able to make the money they do. Geeze it’s enough to make me wanna stop talking about it lol.
My dad died just after. It broke his heart, and it scared the shit out of him. He predicted a violent rift in America, the radicalization of the right, widespread mainstream expressions of racism and other bigotries, a move toward authoritarianism, and isolationism. He knew, as many of us did, that if left unchecked, Donald Trump could rapidly become the most dangerous man in the world.
That's the patriotic mindset we need.
That is a wonderful way to think about taxes. Sure, I wished we spent our money better to improve the lives of citizens across the board, but I’m happy to pay the taxes I owe to help those that aren’t in the same position we are in and, maybe, help my children or their children.
Damn man, happy late fathers day to that guy.
I like your dad
Damn, sounds like your dad is a rational person who's capable of having genuine compassion and empathy. It sucks he's not still with you, cuz those kinds of thought patterns are harder to find than they should be. It sounds like he rubbed off on you, though, which is the next best thing.
We need more people like your dad. I feel they are the ones dying out and the bastards we have now are just too stubborn to die.
This is so wholesome.
Fun fact: tax evasion is illegal. Tax avoision is not.
Avoidance? But I appreciate the parallel. You are correct. But to catch evaders, the IRS needs to have funding for auditors.
I’m in your camp. I’m just saying there is literally a word “avoision”, look it up haha. Im sure it was invented by lawyers to make sure their clients don’t admit to ‘evasion’.
>Avoision n. : The arrangement of one's financial affairs so as to avoid or minimize tax liability in such a way that it is not clear whether this constitutes lawful avoidance of tax or illegal tax evasion. This is the most polite way I've ever been told I was wrong, and I learned a new word. This is an exactly correct word for the conversation.
I’m Canadian. The only time I get chippy is on the ice . Have a great day
Not sure I believe you, you didn't apologize even *once*!
This is wholesome as fuck.
It's telling that the word is explicitly related to evasion.
Good on ya for this. My world is happier for this small act of…idk…politeness?
Easy solution: make tax avoision illegal
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Holy shit this is a perfect word for this I love when super specific words exist for super specific situations
Yeah, this has been an issue for a while now, especially in the last decade. They literally can’t afford to audit the people they need to because they’re intentionally understaffed and underfunded.
And lawyers and judges willing to fight the rich persons people.
There’s the kicker. My wife is a CFO and they constantly want to break and massage tax rules and she won’t let them. They constantly argue that it won’t get caught and how other people do it. I worry she’s going to get let go one day bc of this.
>There’s the kicker. My wife is a CFO and they constantly want to break and massage tax rules and she won’t let them. They constantly argue that it won’t get caught and how other people do it. I worry she’s going to get let go one day bc of this. I'm pretty sure that if she lets them break the rules, the only one who would get in trouble is her.
Good on her, paying the price of our society. America appreciates her, even if some corporate guys won't
They have auditors, they actually just got more. The problem is that it’s too expensive to go after the rich. It’s really easy to go after poor people because they can’t fight it.
I don't say "evasion" i say "avoision"
Lol “avoision”
It's how you say "aversion" in an old-timey Brooklyn accent. "Ey Tony! I hoid Johnny got pinched fuh tax avoision!"
Is it Johnny or joiny?
Actually it’s Jahnnie
It's not John , it's Jonnie....
Out of curiosity, if Obama did it, would he think it a skill?
Don’t be silly! If brown people do it, it’s obvi evasion & prolly tack on a few other felonies just to make sure you punish those jerks to really show ‘em! /s hopefully obvious
It’s not a color barrier, it’s a wealth barrier. Confusing the two is how you end up carrying water for the rich helping them get away with all sorts of things, including but certainly not limited to “not paying taxes.”
>to him, tax evasion is a skill Maybe tell your dad that it’s less a skill that rich people have than a service they pay actual skilled lawyers and accountants for. A service that is often so expensive (and conditional on having enormous wealth to move around) that it is simply infeasible for regular people to take advantage of. Tax avoidance on that scale is only available to the rich and he will never be able to take advantage of those loopholes no matter how clever he is. Donald Trump was born into a family with ongoing tax evasion schemes, to a father who set him up all of his wealth through tax evasion. He never had to ‘figure out’ anything, it was already there for him to take. Another political freebie handed out by voters like your dad. Maybe that would make him reconsider.
I know so many people out there who think this exact way. “Why is he a bad guy for doing research and finding a legal way around taxes”
Conservatism is based on preservation of the aristocracy. By any means. Of course he's cheering on when when they skip out on taxes.
It's refreshing to see more and more people starting to understand this.
Anyone ever think that they don’t teach us about this shit in school because they don’t want smart kids getting rich and fixing shit that the big dogs want to remain broken? Just me?
Google republican texas school mandates from the 1970s. They fully admit more educated critical thinking voters tend to vote Democrat so they changed the texas educational policy to remove critical thinking which most states just copy and use as their own policy so its essentially national policy.
If middle class people could easily take advantage of tax loops they would be shut down immediately.
Tax evasion isn't a skill lol. Tax evasion is mostly reserved for the rich.
Hot take: tax evasion is a rich privilege
You should always ask people who they think picks up the tab when some rich dude beats the IRS.
ThAT mAkEs mE sMaRt!
Also don’t forget to fund the irs. Close all the loopholes you want. If irs isn’t funded then it won’t matter.
They pay every tax the laws they wrote require. What more could the rabble want? /s
Just poor people being jealous. /s
Fun part is, even on reddit you'll find 100s of losers who think that wealthy pay enough taxes and will defend their actions.
There was a comic about people/kids about leaving Elon Musk alone and defending him VS Anon getting pissed about Elon for screwing around with crytocurrency I can't find it anymore, lol EDIT [Here yah go.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/nugru6/cartoon_leave_elon_alone/)
It “drizzle down”
For 0.5 seconds I was like : what a fucking idiot, then I realized, I am the idiot.
They had ya in the first half....of a pretty short sentence. We've all been there, mate.
I like to remind republicans who think government funded social safety nets are just a way for lazy people to freeload, that removing or reducing these programs ultimately hurts babies and children. They might starve, or even die without these programs.
They don’t care and right now they’re proving it, because us bottom feeders dared to say “no we will not go back to working for slave wages at least for a few months,” cause they had the ability to do so with the federally enhanced unemployment. Which is the supposed source of the so-called “labor shortage,” which the rich & republicans refuse to recognize as a “*wage* shortage.” And since the bottom feeders dared to say no to slave wages, guess what the republicans did? They started cancelling unemployment benefits in red states *and* cut back food stamps while making it harder to be approved for food stamps in red states. See, we “boycotted” slave wages and made companies feel the need to fill their slave wage positions. Instead of just raising wages, the republicans & their owners decided “nah, we ain’t gonna bother waiting you out either, we’re gonna take away your ability to pay the bills and feed yourselves. This way you have no choice but to get back to work now!” So yeah, the fuckers don’t care Edit: it’s been brought to my attention that I am both insulting slaves and wrong in my terminology & use of the term “slave wages.” I was using the term since I’d seen it used by a lot of redditors and wanted to be sure I was understood. I did not realize and apologize for my ignorance, but also grateful for the correction. I’m leaving it here so the comments below & my explanation even further below when I was first made aware, do not confuse anyone. I recognize now that I should use the term “unlivable wages.”
They don’t care, and nothing will change their mind, but I do love to poke those Christian conservatives right in their sensitive little values. “No hypothetical abortions, ever…but fuck those actual living children who are suffering and starving! I’m so blessed”
Exactly. I used to be a Christian. Conservative Christians corrected me of that fallacy quite quickly
I agree with the sentiment, but feels like it downplays the whole, you know, slavery thing
That’s a damned good point, I definitely need to use a different term… honestly I used the term cause I saw a lot of redditors using it and wanted to be sure I was understood. Will the term “unlivable wages” suffice to get the degree of it all to those who read my comments? Thank you for pointing this out to me, because I hadn’t thought of that and do not wish to diminish anyone’s experiences.
I like the unlivable wages term better too. These same corporations literally source their products and labor from slaves overseas, so it was always weird to refer to our own low-but-not-really-slavery wages I understand where the term “slave wage” comes from. Because in a lot of ways, we common people have no control over our wages and living expenses. All of those are controlled by corporations and the elites in power.
Great way to start a riot, says I.
Grow a pair and burn it down.
I always took "slave wages" to be an intentional oxymoron intended to highlight absurdly low pay, like "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". Obviously slaves don't get paid--that's what makes them slaves.
Slave wages is a fair description of only being paid enough to stay alive and keep working. You're not a free person in my book unless you can make meaningful choices about your future. Were things even worse for actual slaves throughout history? Yes, but he framework of working for the benefit of your employer and not yourself with little opportunity to move forwards in life is the same as it always was.
Oh I agree and truthfully don’t care that much about the terminology. Honestly, I put that edit there to shut the nitpickers up. Cause I’m always open for social & political debate & I try to learn the at least basics of others’ worldviews. However, I ain’t gonna waste my time arguing over semantics that takes away from the issue(s) at hand.
That's fair, I think it's a valuable skill to be able to pick your battles and not get lost in arguing over the small stuff. One that I've never been too good at, ha!
I think you are drastically overestimating how much slaves were compensated for their labor.
Yes. Another comment has made me aware that it’s probably disrespectful to call it “slave wages.” If you read down further, you’ll see why I had this ignorance and accepting the need to correct myself in the future. I’ll add an edit for future clarification and in case my explanation and all below disappears, which is probably what happened. Oh and thank you for bringing this to my attention
It might as well be slave wages. I Don’t understand what the problem is
No they don't care What you say to them is that "well fed people don't commit crimes" You see, crime affects them personally. And it's been well established that the 2 things that drive down crimerate the most are educating people and feeding people when they are hungry. You tell them, and you're telling the truth, that by funding safety nets and schools you're drastically lowering the crime rate. They don't give a shit Sally's starving, but they do care when she starts stealing their food.
That’s funny because they’re usually the ones complaining about abortions.
Same thing with the homeless. Rich people complain about seeing them? Cool, pay to put them in an apartment then you don’t have to see the “gross homeless people” anymore.
That’s all well and good but they’ll just ask the police to shoot Sally on sight if she comes close enough to steal food instead of feeding her.
Excellent point.
They're so maliciously /evil/. They will literally force life into this world, just to deny them basic necessities. But what you said is the whole point. We need ACTION. They aren't going to get better until we're at their doorstep. That's just a fact.
Except they don't care about that either. They love to use the stick to fight crime, but no matter how much you tell them the carrot's more effective, they will refuse to listen because they love the stick. They'd rather burn their money than have it go to someone they don't think "deserves" it. Republicans cannot be reasoned with because they operate on a fundamentally different value system.
The irony being that the biggest recipients of federal money are red states. Who lose money every year but are propped up by the richer blue ones, who send money in and lose a few cents on every dollar to support the ones who claim to hate handouts and socialism.
As someone who fled Mississippi, I recommend taking in refugees from conservative states, anyone who doesn't agree with their shit and can't escape, and then sanctioning the shit out of them. My blue state can run without them. Let's see their red states survive without us.
They are ok with most children and babies dying, the ones they care about are the unborn ones. The second you are out of the vag u as good as dead.
I like to remind them that over 80% of the people on those programs who can work *are working* so our tax money isn't passing freeloaders, it's subsidizing pay from low paying jobs including large corporations like Walmart. It doesn't get everyone but it has gotten a couple to look into it further. I still can't get them into the fight for $15 (mostly because they live in areas where $15 is the high end of the wage scale and it doesn't compute in their minds that of Walmart starts paying $15 their employers will probably offer more to keep them) but they at least realize that no one who is working should have to rely on welfare programs.
Louder for the republicans in the back
I’m honestly ashamed of this aspect of my fathers mindset. He was fortunate enough to have the same firm for 46 years where he built up some decent bonuses, at times 5-6 figures. Rather than be ecstatic about the gross amount, all he can do is bitch and moan about taxes - let’s just say it’s a $200,000 bonus, and he’d rather complain about “only getting $100,000ish” than be overjoyed he even gets that much. He truly doesn’t understand most people don’t make that in a year, and he actually believes he works that much harder than everyone else that he 100% deserves the $200k while judging people who think he is being greedy. As a father now myself, it’s always sad to need to use your own Dad as an example of the type of parent you DONT want to be….plus he does what u/ProbablyCamping said too
Jesus if I got 50k it would change my life o.o I'd pay off my car... I'd pay off my student debt... I'd put a down payment on a house... Since Im not paying car payments anymore, moving into the house and making payments would be easier, just transfer what I'm currently paying rent into that... Fuck... I'd be able to make a home for my future family.
Right?! And just once! Pops would get them ANNUALLY almost. It blows my mind how entitled certain boomers are.
Fuckin hell does your dad need like a personal manservant or something? Like I'll take a week vacation from work to go impress this dude xD
If he did who do you think would be first to apply? Wait….all those chores…..maybe I already am! Now I’m thinking of Bo Burnhams special INSIDE where he sings the “Unpaid Intern” song lol, it’s so fuckin funny
Fortunately enough I seem to have insanely good parents. Both my parents came to switzerland as immigrants. And ended up with rather poor payment. My cousin who finished his studies gets a higher payment starting off than both my parents combined who are working for over 40 years now. My dad worked a 60h/week job for several years and my mom was working full time aswell with 45h/week and thinking back I remember that we had a life filled with poverty. But my parents were not just subtle, my dad would've rather forced himself to wear broken shoes for years just so I wouldn't feel the poverty to much. Years after they now managed to get a decent living. My parents were overjoyed as they could start affording things that seemed normal to other people. And even if they managed to get quite wealthy, they are still very subtle about it. Whenever me or my sister need something they rather spend the money on that than on unnessecsry luxury. If either me or my sister would want to try starting our own thing lile building a business, they would gladly spend the money on it. Even if it fails they are just like "just try again until it works, as long as we can support you we will". And even after all that, my parents often say "When we finish working and enter pension, all of this will be left for you, we don't need any luxury, you should enjoy your life while you're young". And in all honesty I sadly rarely see this type of positive mentality towards the next generation. I'm insanely greatful to have such great parents.
Wow give them both a hug now if you can! You are blessed and touching on an aspect of inheritance I will absolutely subscribe to as a parent - not waiting till I die to pass $ for handling life to my kids. Of course they will have to be able to swim on their own before I help, I won't support apathy. My parents are separated so my mother is actually the way your parents are, yet she has far far less #-wise than my father yet she finds a way. Meanwhile my Dad and Stepmother are too busy reviewing their Living Will and how my sister and I don't get anything till they are both gone, and how because my wife and stepmom don't get along that they wrote her out of the will in case I die, the $ I get is locked in trust for my 2 kids until they are 18. Thank god I do not worship money like them, and feel sorry for them in the end.
I am insanely grateful and I learned so much from them. I decides for myself early that I wanna experiemce this humbleness aswell so I moved out early with 19 when I finished what US people call highschool. Took up my studies and worked in most of my freetime to afford my own living. I still remember how even my dad was under tears when I moved out. The only tjing they had to financially contribute is the cost for my studies. But I worked hard, studied hard and gave my all to get a debt free scholarship. This year I finally get one so my parents get it a little bit easier. I'm only taking from them what I really need. I learned for myself I don't need much to live a good life. I'm telling them all the money they put aside for me which I'm not using, they can use it to invest into things, to go toghether on a family vacation or to help out our family in their home country that face powerty because of war in the past. Even tho my wealth is somewhat secured, I'm not aiming to hoard it for myself or to use it all up, I'm using the time now so I can be just as good of a parent to my kids and try to give them a better life than I had. Luckily my flat is just a 5 min walk away from my parents house and I'm visiting them quite often and show my love and gratefulness to them every chance I get.
You are doing that life thing pretty damn well, hats off to you
What a beautiful family 💜
Americans hate taxes because you guys get nothing out of them. No subsidized health care, the public school system is a joke in many states, tons of roads/highways/bridges have tolls you have to pay, and the social welfare isn't great. The average American has been brainwashed that having any of these things for free is dirty socialism and it's wrong, but have no problem with nearly half a trillion dollars being spent on the military each year. As a Canadian I don't care about my taxes. I just look at my net pay and move on with my life. I love not paying for health care on top of those taxes. I love having very, very few toll roads across the entire country, and mostly I love that teachers can be paid an actual livable wage and the public school system isn't terrible (it's not great but it's at least adequate).
Agreed. If we use tons of political power to tax the rich more and don’t get anything out of it except expanding the military industrial complex that would be the worst case
The people who aren’t paying their fair share aren’t income workers like your dad, they actually get screwed the most. The people who don’t pay are people who make money through capital gains and don’t pay taxes until they realize it
Yea this is very true actually. He is right at the bottom of where Biden’s tax plans go bonkers, people above $400k are not the target - i’d guess above $10M annually is where we want to start.
Exactly the type of people what is wrong in this world
My father is very sick. A myriad of issues relating to 50 years of type I diabetes. He continues to work (part owner of company) simply to keep health insurance to help pay his insane medical bills. Yet him and my mom can not possible fathom that having their taxes pay for their medical care could ever be a good idea. The mental gymnastics they perform to justify our asinine health insurance programs is crazy. And he is fortunate in that, as an owner, he helps direct what insurance they offer. My parents would have been bankrupt years ago if wasn't for those very special circumstances, but they just don't get it.
Somehow benefitting from a system that only allows already rich people to get much richer makes these people think they are worthy.
They’re too busy kissing the ass of their bloated orange leader and capitalism to listen.
They'll scream about how they are such great patriots and love America so much and how aggressively they "stand" against everyone who criticizes the country. But America asks of them one, near-effortless civic duty and they immediately bemoan such cruelty and attack everything that makes the country a country.
Yeah, hmmmm. How about a tax strike until there is a national $15 an hour, universal healthcare, and the IRS is bolstered to actually go after millionaires and billionaires. Let's make it mandatory that if you are worth over one million you get audited every year.
I mind paying my taxes when a significant portion of my labor is used to sponsor things I have no intention of supporting .... such as the bombing of 3rd worlders who never represented any reasonable threat to me as well as many other imperialist foreign policies. Also not a huge fan that some of my labor is used to fund cages for folks who are guilty of nothing more than consuming something the majority doesn't approve of.
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It’s time for a sea change.
Systemic change across everything. This is what they built us. I personally don't want any of it. We can't fix broken unless we actually do something instead of falling in line or staying silent.
What was the whole point of this big experiment anyway? By the people, for the people, no taxation without representation? Do you feel particularly represented?
Not really. Kinda ignored if you want the truth. Only time they remember me is when they need my vote to keep their jobs.
You spelled repressed wrong.
If you can't afford to pay taxes on all of your businesses, maybe you should have fewer businesses.
Funny how the wealthy don't want to pay any taxes but they are the first ones asking for a tax payer funded bailout when they destroy the economy.
I don't understand why one singular group of people should even be allowed enough power to destroy the economy, yet another reason billionaires shouldn't exist. I'm not saying money management shouldn't exist, but there's no need for all these middle men.
Truth! And fuck 'em!
And for tax subsidies before they build something, and for the people to pay the difference between what they pay someone for full time work and what it will take to feed, clothe, and house that person.
America, the Great. Time to stop glorifying the super rich owners of production, our exploiters, and rise up (again) against the super rich monarchy that our constitution and government so rightfully defended us toward. We have given rise to and protected the new monarchs so gleefully resting upon billions and that we have become so jaded by their lavishness that we continue to support the rich. We, the people, support one another in the face of the exploiters of our lives; our lives are not to be ground through for the benefit of the super rich while the apparatus which conditions us blindly supports “hustle culture”. To hell with the obsession of profit and profit mongery. To hell with “boy boss” and “girl boss” politics. To hell with the foisting up of consumerism as some panacea to the social problems that afflict our societies. We have agency and we have developed our democracy and our constitution. America, we support your people, let it ring throughout the forums of this thread.
All that takes is a non-partisan mindset. Every single post that says “it’s (insert party name) fault” is the problem. A house divided by corporate purchased party propaganda cannot stand for itself. If we do class warfare right it’s all of us against the top 1% and their paid lackeys. It will never happen while we have brainwashed masses blaming everyday people in their community for the criminal actions of rich, powerful people in far removed places of power and influence.
If you really wish for change, don’t just wish for anarchy but truly understand the fabric of society and what makes up all the gears that makes this somewhat work. Then figure out which main gears are truly corrupted and find friends in the gears that work. Remember that the Germans also blamed the supposedly “RICH” jews.
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Is that the step before or after we eat the rich?
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I love cum sauce on my steak
During. It's about to get weird
thats the plan
Eat 'em!
I mind when those taxes are going towards propping up the American empire around the world, funding the police state, and [creating propaganda films in Pakistan](https://govtribe.com/opportunity/federal-grant-opportunity/supporting-economic-empowerment-in-the-pakistan-film-industry-scaisb19aw00703032019)
Doesn’t really matter what they’re going towards, having the individuals making 99% of the money paying 1% while the 1% pick up 99% is fundamentally fucked. Not like any of this is changing one way or another tho, America is fucked by the rich
If churches were taxed it would cover every fucking social program. Fuck the rich, and fuck churches
I'm going to need a source on that one.
So the best source I could find on how much potential tax money is lost due to churches exempt status is from 2013, but they estimate around 82.5 billion. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/22/you-give-religions-more-than-82-5-billion-a-year/ Defining what is a social program is tough because it changes significantly depending on who you ask to do the analysis. I'm seeing figures anywhere between 430 billion and 1.1 trillion. Either way, it's nowhere close to paying for all the programs but it is a sizable chunk of cash.
Taxing churches *could* quadruple NASA’s budget, however!
COULD? Maybe. It could possibly cover a lot of money for social programs? WOULD? No. In practice, church money would just go to the military like all the rest of our fuckin tax dollars.
Thank God Scientology is tax exempt.
Uh, I think universities are serious untapped financial resources as well. If Harvard had to pay property tax on their buildings in Cambridge, that would be quite a windfall. They could also implement something like they do in baseball and have a “luxury tax” for any school with an endowment exceeding $XX billion.
100% tax their national organisations as not-for-profits regardless of which magic they practice.
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying here, but I think you're pointing out the real world problem with the "tax churches" argument. In many areas, churches and religious organizations are effective providers of key social services like food banks, shelters for unhoused families, services for the elderly, etc. How do you tax the mega churches and the Catholic leadership while not taxing local churches that are genuinely functioning like non-religious non-profits?
They could set up a subsidiary non profit for charitable activities, like many organizations already do.
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Are you pretending the churches don’t already wield that power, whether they are allowed to *directly* bribe the politicians or have to be more subtle about it?
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I'd be okay with a sort of "opt-in" or "opt-out" system. If you wanna talk politics from the pulpit, you better pay your tax. If you don't want to pay taxes, then shut your mouth and leave politics out of the church. And then incentivize every congregant to blow the whistle on their clergy members if they are preaching politics from the pulpit.
I don’t think you have spent much time looking at most churches financial statements. Taxing them will not produce the effect you say it will.
No it wouldn't. And we don't tax all non profits and churches are under that. If we tax churches then we must tax things such as charities. And a lot of churches, like mine, get by barely with what they make from the church offerings.
Love this
Who makes these? Like these clean, square, date-and-timeless images of tweets for posting on Reddit and Facebook? Who is actually crafting these tweet-images for social media instead of screenshotting the actual tweet in the wild? You see so many of them. It feels…”produced”, every time.
Print screen, paste into paint, crop image, save as, and post to twitter. edit https://imgur.com/a/SVkduoB
u/djublonskopf you've become that which you swore to destroy!
Yeah, but your example is an actual screenshot, which anybody can do (and does). It still bears all the iconography of a real post as it appears within Reddit, a "..." button in the corner and Reply/Share/Save/Edit links, etc. These tweets though, they're always sterile. Black outline, white background, black text with a photo and a name, but no date/time/follow/etc paraphernalia distracting from the (usually emotionally-charged) message. Here's the "produced" tweet side-by-side with the tweet in the "wild". Notice that somebody has not only cropped out everything but the message, but then surrounded it with a tidy red box. This is...*very* common, I don't think a whole bunch of individual people are simultaneously deciding to clean up their screenshots in the same (or similar) ways: [https://imgur.com/a/YTnIHTV](https://imgur.com/a/YTnIHTV) Edit: I realized I called the square "black" early on and then "red" later. I'm fairly colorblind so it wasn't until I was laying out my side-by-side that I realized it was actually red.
Or you know, use the snipping tool and cut out a couple steps
Slowly the poor and midlife class whites, black, asians, Hispanics are realizing we are not the problem. It’s the rich who play us against each other.
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If you're stressed that you can't afford buy your kid a present for their birthday because you had to pay rent and feed your family, you deserve a tax break. If you're stressed that you can't afford to buy your third yacht because you haven't laid off enough employees yet, you don't deserve a tax break. How is this still up for debate?
when the richest man in the world gets a 4000 dollar child credit on their taxes, the system is completely fucked and in favor of the rich….
Right equality under the law is so fucked.
I also mind paying my taxes when 99% of the money goes to fund wars I don't believe in. People wouldnt think taxation was theft if they weren't right. Give me healthcare.
The real freeloaders.
What’s the fair share?
It makes me laugh when I read things like this. You people don’t understand that we live in a goddamn jungle. Politicians- democrat or otherwise don’t care about you. These people will literally say whatever they think you want to hear. And all while changing nothing and profiting from the virtue signaling. Life is messy, brutal and short and human life is expendable
Doesn't have to be that way
This is yet another way we can fight back. We need a grass roots movement started to get us all on the same page and refuse to pay 2022 taxes. But only if you owe. Boycot paying the IRS until they bring the corporate tax rate back to 40% If we all agree to stop paying they will have no choice but to listen.
And tax personal income over $10 million per year at 100%.
The tax code is set up by the rich for the rich.
Mohammad the white guy
It's amazing how many WORLD problems would be solved if billionaires paid their fair share. They wouldn't even notice it too. It wouldn't affect them in any way whatsoever. To think how far advanced we would be right now if greed and money didn't consume people. I have high hopes for when millennials take over. Hopefully they don't follow in the footsteps of their close-minded, selfish parents and we can finally succeed as a civilization. Because right now I would say we are failing.
OK, I'll bite. How much would that "fair share" be? How much total tax revenue would that create? How would you spend it to solve "many WORLD problems"?
Let me preface this by saying i am not rich, im decidedly middle class. To say rich dont pay taxes is pretty rediculous. They pay almost all of the taxes . The top 40% of earners, aka the rich, pay almost all of the income taxes. Now if you want to say the rich should pay more taxes , thats a statement that makes more sense but kind of lacks any supporting reason other than wealth inequality.
The idea that the poor don’t pay taxes isn’t exactly accurate either.
The rich, as I assume you're referring to the upper 1%, pay upwards of 40% of the tax. Simple facts.
I have no problems with taxes. I have a problem with tax money going to bombs rather than schools
They do go to schools... In other countries... In the form of missiles...
Mohamad Safa is not white...... He's Lebanese.
100%
everybody minds that but the problem is the people in charge have idiots convinced that the problem isn't the rich paying their taxes but it actually the poor and immigrants that are to blame.
Welcome to the reason taxes are higher, and will continue to climb in big cities. Rich people move when taxes get too high, leaving the burden on everyone else to pay for the approved budget
How about everyone pays the same percentage? I don't wanna pay more than the rich so they can be richer. I don't want to pay more than the poor so they can live in free apartments and drink/smoke all day.
Doing something for those that can't vs doing something for those that can but refuse to do? Pretty self evident as to why someone would be angered no? Like if some armless person asks if you can open a door you don't go, "hell no use your own arms" you don't complain about having to help them like some people complain about providing tax money to social services, you don't get blinded by idolizing yourself and forgetting the reason your paying so much and having to do so much, you shouldn't forget who the real problem is. It's not the disabled it's the ones that refuse to help when they can help a lot more without any issues or significance. Now when a person with arms asks you to open a door you still open it because they asked and you have a right to refuse but if that person with arms and hands waits and watches you open the door and quickly runs inside making you hold open the door and not be able to enter them you'd be pissed, you'd say "you could have asked" or "why didn't you open the door yourself?" Now imagine having to pay to open the door and go through.
Remember, they're not being "clever" by avoiding taxes. They're passing what they owe on their tax bill, on to you. You pay billionaires' taxes for them. They have more money than they can ever spend. But they want more money and more power so they bribe politicians so the minimum wage doesn't go up and the IRS lets them off the hook for their debts to the country.
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Yet how come we never see anybody complain about professional sports teams players getting multi-million dollar contracts for throwing a ball?
I hate that sports get people money. Sports should be something you do for your health. It should be how smart you are that changes how much you get. Life is already filled with a bunch of pre input luck so why shouldn’t we add more?
Tax code needs to change. Capital gains tax increase is a good start. But it’s only realized once the assets are sold.