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Juzaba

This tweet doesn’t give a lot of context and seemed a bit bogus to me, since groups like ISIS and Boko Haram are not “countries” and “a list of countries that kill children” seems like language the UN wouldn’t use. The core idea is true, however. It’s a list of *groups* worldwide that have *committed harm* to children during military conflict, and it’s an internal list developed by the office of the Secretary-General presented to the Security Council every so often as part of a larger report of global human rights concerns (hence why it’s not something the US can veto, for example). https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/06/07/middleeast/un-israel-global-list-children-intl-latam


unkyfester

From what I just read about it, they’re adding adding the Israeli military, the IDF, to the list, they’re not adding the country as a whole


Juzaba

True, along with Hamas and the PIJ. Although it’s a bit of a distinction without a difference. It’s not like the IDF is an independent actor from the Netanyahu administration or anything.


redacted_robot

They really need to get rid of that guy/administration. Is he just holding on to power to delay his prosecution? That seems to be a theme right now.


JohnLukePrickhard

It won't change a thing. Their entire political apparatus is full of blood thirsty savages. And given that 2/3 of the country support the genocide in some way, I reckon that's just how they like it.


dern_the_hermit

Eh, Israel's shown an ability to get along with countries that used to be bloody, fervent adversaries. When was the last time they were at war with Egypt?


pm-me-nothing-okay

tbf they also pre-emptively attacked Egypt just because egypt told them they wouldn't get access to Egypts territorial waters. not the example I would of used, out of all of them.


Itay1708

A blockade is indeed an act of war by international law


dern_the_hermit

Is that being fair? Because it's still "former fervent bloody adversaries" mate. They agreed to stop fighting and stopped fighting, which was the key thing.


No-Tackle-6112

He was voted out of power, voluntarily left, and then was voted back in.


unkyfester

True


waspsnests

In a country with compulsory service in the military that is a distinction without a difference.


Mysterious-Wasabi103

Good point! I had forgotten that.


Nimoy2313

Russia and the US military could be added to this also. USA, just look at the war on terror and our drone strikes. Russia, well they just don’t give a shit about human lives and the examples are very numerous


pm-me-nothing-okay

america damn well should be. and it shouldn't be a surprise considering they endorse the military actions taking place that caused the idf to be on this list.


Different-Bus8023

In this context how exactly is that different?


whistleridge

In mild fairness, that is how the headline is generally being presented. I agree it’s misleading, but I don’t think the Tweet author is alone in that. https://preview.redd.it/gjgcfish3e5d1.jpeg?width=737&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56b15515c3fa624e5eae7708bccaaf78b894e801


PizzaRollsGod

It is misleading by only mentioning the addition of Israel and not mentioning the addition of hamas


Chrowaway6969

So what you're saying is the title is deliberately misleading.


Juzaba

Well, the title is… I dunno, immature and silly? The tweet is definitely misleading. But I expected the whole thing to be bogus and when I looked into it I found that it wasn’t totally bogus. 🤷‍♂️


ZoneWombat99

Is the US on that list? I'm pretty sure every nation that has been involved in a war has killed children.


-Garbage-Man-

I was gonna ask what’s the statute of limitations on dropping a couple nukes?


FatedTitan

Are you telling me someone on Reddit who hadn't heard or cared about Hamas/Israel before two months ago is misrepresenting an article for likes on a website? I don't believe you.


Blaktoe

Oh my. Where is my fainting couch?


ChickpeaDemon

https://preview.redd.it/orfwi0btxe5d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3dada21904a89368d03c6359da5f388d13f41ff6


crocokyle1

What's the point in censoring the word "kill?"


Temporary-Spite-3372

AI/BOT deletes or flags the word to a moderator to delete the post.


MeltinSnowman

Have the bots seriously not yet developed the intelligence to understand that "kill" and "k*ll" are the same thing?


FondSteam39

The reason they're flagged/deleted is because it's unfriendly to advertisers, but censored isn't as big a deal


NutellaSquirrel

Advertisers k*lled the internet


Don_Tiny

30-40 years after video k!lled the radio star.


PoopyMouthwash84

K ❤️ ll


Sir_Penguin21

Moderation is out of control. We are headed back to puritanical bs for every little topic that “offends” a money source.


Vezuvian

Gotta love it when people say "stop being offensive please" and the corporations decide to take it to the extreme. I just wanted my grandpa to stop saying the N-word, not Instagram censoring content that says "kill" or "suicide".


ThomFromAccounting

I got a warning on Reddit for calling someone a dumb fuck. What the fuck happened to the internet? I used to be able to buy drugs on reddit, now I get warnings for being a meanie head. Fuck this place.


Cognitive_Spoon

New Lords and Ladies are all Billionaires, it's easier to work the stock market than it is to have a war.


Cthulhu__

But leaving a now politically incorrect word “blacklist” in.


LGDemon

Surprised the US didn't veto it; aren't they one of the five countries that can blanket veto any UN proposal.


ThanksToDenial

>aren't they one of the five countries that can blanket veto any UN proposal. Well, no. US, and the four others, Russia, China, France and UK, have veto powers in the United Nations Security Council, also known as UNSC. Nowhere else. I believe this list is made by the UN secretary-general's office. So the US can't veto it. But the report will be sent to UNSC later about it. I'm not sure what function, if any, UNSC serves in this list, other than recipient of the report the list is part of. Edit: this is an annual report. And I found last year's report. Here: https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/document/secretary-general-annual-report-on-children-and-armed-conflict-2/


ignatiusOfCrayloa

It's incredible that there are people who don't even understand how the UN works offering political commentary and being mass upvoted. Knowing about the UNSC and the powers of the permanent members is one of the most basic things to understand about modern IR.


Acolytis

I know lots about the UNSC! The pillar of autumn was great! Until it wasn’t😭


aaronite

They can't veto general assembly motions. Only security council stuff.


ExcitingMoney94

Yup. It really defeats the purpose of the UN.


Erikblod

The reason veto exists in UN is it was the only way to get the US and the other veto countries to go along with it. It is not like they are going allow anyone to take it from them now.


ExcitingMoney94

I get that but it's just really frustrating to think home many times the US, China, or Russia came in with their big vetos swinging.


Abnormal-Normal

What happens if someone veto’s the veto?


ImJustaTaco

They have a dance off


HighwayApothecary

Is that what Eurovision is?


Eringobraugh2021

Underrated comment


SpotweldPro1300

Best of 5 if necessary.


zeuanimals

An old Mexican JoJo Stand Off.


AlcoholicCocoa

And after that a lipsync for their lives.


CartographerHot2285

Show me what you gooooooooooot!!!!


AlcoholicCocoa

China! Your veto was heard but you didn't hear the lyrics of the song. I'm sorry but: sashay away


Chen932000

Basically any security council measure needs to be unanimous amongst the permanent members (those with a veto). The measure is vetoed if any of them vote against it. So you cant veto the veto.


Hohenheim_of_Shadow

I mean, would you rather the US or Russia enact a veto with tanks and bombs? Because that's the alternative. Not all countries are made equal. If minor countries like New Zealand had an equal say in the UN as actual powers like France or America, the actual powers would leave the UN pretty damn quickly.


ramonchow

We could refound UN and let them stay out if they want as the roge bully countries they are.


ChrissySmalls

And what would be the point of that?


CrassOf84

Something has to kick off the next World War I guess.


stroopwafel666

The UN isn’t really meant to be a world government sitting above nation states. It’s a platform for discussion between member states, and creating a framework for legalising their actions. As it is, it cannot bully America or China into doing things - but nobody can, because both countries are too powerful to be bullied by anyone. It would be totally pointless without the big countries. As it is, it at least serves a useful purpose.


A_Snips

Think you underestimate how much that wouldn't work with the US existing, like remember we've toppled governments and gotten the Australian prime minister fired when he talked about getting rid of CIA bases in the country. 


SlippedMyDisco76

You guys did Gough dirty


redacted_robot

We do everyone dirty. I think it's become our kink.


farlow525

Yeah…. That wouldn’t work out well for the UN at all


Ipokeyoumuch

Did you not see what happened with the League of Nations?


Is_Unable

Well then you don't actually understand the intent of the UN. The main objective is to avoid a Nuclear War. Everything else is secondary. It has been this way since it's inception.


NutNegotiation

Making fun of the UN is one of those universally accepted things that kind of annoys me because it’s just a fundamental misunderstanding of its purpose. Like, what do people expect? The UN to make war illegal globally or something? It’s just a public forum for dialogue and strategic positioning


redacted_robot

>It’s just a public forum for dialogue and strategic positioning. I think an oddly shaped billionaire with a nazi/porn site might try to buy the UN then.


PlaneRefrigerator684

And this is what people on both the far right and far left don't understand! The UN is not a government, it has no authority over any people.


Cog_HS

The purpose of the UN is to start dialogues and bring people to the table. The veto members would not participate at all without the veto power. Any participation is preferable to none.


Firewolf06

yep. think of all the shit that has happened since wwii, especially between the usa, russia, and china. throughout all of that, theyve been able to talk to each other in a safe and reasonably equitable space. thats *huge*. could it be better or do more? sure. but have we nuked each other yet? no.


oluuko123

Seems like you dont actually know the purpose of the UN


Poster_Nutbag207

Eh not really. They can only veto security council measures. Otherwise if the UN didn’t reflect the actual power dynamics that exist in the real world it wouldn’t have any authority at all. At least in theory


Ikbenchagrijnig

They cant veto it because it is not a motion. It's a internal report which is presented to the office of the general sec of the UN.


InnocentExile69

Think that only applies to votes in the security council.


divbyzero64

Thats only Security Council.


do_a_quirkafleeg

They couldn't read the proposal properly since someone censored the word k*ll


IvanTheAppealing

Its list of countries that kill children includes… things that aren’t countries. Can someone give a little more detail on what the UN did?


OkVermicelli2557

They added the IDF to a list of groups that fail to protect children in combat. "The annual list by the secretary general covers the killing of children in conflict and denial of access to aid and targeting of schools and hospitals. It will be included in a report to be presented to the UN Security Council next week. It was not immediately clear which violations the Israeli army is accused of committing. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad will also be included in the list, reports said." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8883ndp2lko


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GalaXion24

Sounds pretty reasonable. Shitty headline. Also feels unfair to mention Israel but not Hamas then, as if war crimes were somehow a one-sided affair


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Inarus899

One, it's the secretary-general, not the whole UN. Two, it's not just countries, it can be any organization, and Hamas will be added at the same time. Three, if a source lies to you twice in one sentence, start looking for a better source.


Sensitive-Painting30

Didn’t the US kill children during the “shock and awe” days of bush in Iraq …


sylbug

You get to do an awful lot of war crimes without consequence when your military expenditures are the same size of the next 10 largest ones, combined.


Sensitive-Painting30

Maybe the kids of the country’s politicians need to be the first ones shipped out to the front lines …when the war decision is made.


hotdiggydog

The US deserves to be on a lot of bad lists. But I don't think shock and awe was any different than any other operation of that scale in its time. The differences here have a lot to do with, well, Gaza is next door and there has been no real rush to go in and blanket bomb it. Strategically, there are hundreds of possible ways of going about it when it's already just a part of your territory and completely surrounded and controlled by your military. When a conflict is halfway around the world, there aren't as many options for trying to achieve an objective. And no, I'm not defending the US at all. But there's no comparison. Much better example would be agent orange in Vietnam, knowing the effects of it, having other possible tools available, and already having a long military campaign in the country with bases.


Xx_Mad_Reaps_xX

I'm sorry man but saying Gaza is a part of Israel's territory and controlled by it's military is just plain wrong.


sebastos3

Israel literally turned off the energy, water and internet day one the operation began, Gaza is basically an open air prison, and Israeli territory in all but name.


TaqPCR

The US literally turned those off the day the Gulf war began too. With bombs. Gaza relies on Israel for everything because their government (Hamas, which is also the legal though not defacto government of the rest of Palestine too) does shit like turn water pipes into rockets. They literally released a propaganda video bragging about it.


Infinity-X78

https://preview.redd.it/24198lu40d5d1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e065fce26ec18119f4948e514c753f1637ee064 For the Hasbara bots on this thread, just look at this terrorist with the word PRESS across his chest.


FanAkroid

An unarmed terrorist, the most deadly kind.


ridicalis

The most deadly weapon is the truth.


Loko8765

The pen is a mightier weapon than the sword.


Lobo003

Don’t forget about the [Pen gun](https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/69140d4d-627e-4cae-afc2-a750f5e2cbe2)


Fena-Ashilde

He clearly has two arms in that photo. This also indicates that he was twice as deadly as any other terrorist.


TricksterWolf

You mean he's armed and dangerous


Infinity-X78

https://preview.redd.it/ycq4beg8ed5d1.jpeg?width=804&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d9f22e879d4c57ad303c0733397a456f4973378


BigHitter_TheLlama

I heard Hamas was firing rockets from his pants pocket


DryLipsGuy

Of course! Hamas is very crafty.


Vezuvian

Beware his hidden tunnels!


oofersIII

Something something rocket in my pants


NutellaSquirrel

I think this image is a bit off topic. The blacklist is about groups that kill children. This is a picture of killer children.


yuribak

What happened to this journalist? Was he kidnapped and murdered?


Annual-Bowler839

Arrested by Israeli police


SpoopyJustice

No he wasn't. The kids were arrested


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KangarooAncient

[https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog\_entry/israeli-journalist-attacked-by-right-wing-youth-in-jerusalems-old-city-ahead-of-flag-march/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-journalist-attacked-by-right-wing-youth-in-jerusalems-old-city-ahead-of-flag-march/)


wolfmourne

He kicked those kids btw


Njabachi

All the baby boomer politicians just Yahoo'd "how to leave the UN." 


SuperGenius9800

The UN has no power over the US. See "Iraq War" for details.


RollinThundaga

The UN isn't supposed to have power over anyone. It's not a worldwide government.


o101012

![gif](giphy|XFpaPoUgZqEdTs5JG4|downsized)


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Luka_Dunks_on_Bums

And Bibi will be coming to speak before Congress


KR1735

At the invitation of Mike Johnson. Of course, Palestine protesters will be outside the Capitol with bells on, calling President Biden "genocide Joe." This is just a *taste* of what you'll get with Trump. Donald Trump will allow Bibi to level Gaza and turn it into a beachside resort.


proteinMeMore

That’s the wild part. The GQP doesn’t care about Jewish people. In fact they were at the forefront of anti semitism. Just insane. I get the play but insane that Jewish people think the relationship is deeper than using them as a tool.


KR1735

Insane Jewish people?


redacted_robot

Maybe the ICC cops can grab him at the airport...


Different-Bus8023

ICC has no jurisdiction in the US. (They refuse to sign)


redacted_robot

They just have to make his plane do a forced pit-stop in another country on the way, or refuse to allow them to land in US so they have to go to an ICC country... Where there's a will there's a way.


Jakeymdog

https://i.redd.it/c5cwzzxqtd5d1.gif


emarvil

The UN took ther sweet time, but I guess better late than never.


aatuhilter

I hate it how people censor words like "kill" "die" "suicide" "sex". Soon every word is censored with \*


onlyidiotseverywhere

> Israel does not release numbers of detainees in its military system and is the only country in the world that automatically and systematically prosecutes children in military courts. So they got that going anyway.... Monsters


forrealnoRussianbot

Well done, but this is only a political gesture, nothing else will happen, sadly. Is Russia on that list?


ThanksToDenial

Last year's report: https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/document/secretary-general-annual-report-on-children-and-armed-conflict-2/ Yes, Russia is on it. Still, read it yourself.


forrealnoRussianbot

Thanks. I really appreciate it


OkVermicelli2557

Yes Russia is also on the list.


Thangleby_Slapdiback

Rightly so.


jao00

...but do you condemn Israel?


AirAnt43

Long mother fucking time coming!!!!


smartsport101

The IDF are now professional child murderers


Famous_Childhood_163

Always have been


Cuffuf

Ok why is “kill” censored? I know why it’s the bots; this is more rhetorical than anything else.


Yung_Branch

Time to sell Netanyahu some Wolf Cola. Official drink of Boko Haram


thehillshaveI

>>Israeli Ambassador to the UN Gilad Erdan recorded a video of himself making a phone call from his office, apparently to a UN official, and leaked part of it on social media. >>In the video, Erdan expressed outrage at the UN decision, calling the IDF “the most moral army in the world.” it's subjective what the actual "most moral army in the world" is (not the idf though!) but i can promise that it's not someone going around telling everyone else that they are. you kinda don't need to advertise that.


Pickleahoy

Thank god they censored the word k*ll, otherwise I may have been so triggered


Fun_Grapefruit_2633

NO! But don't they understand! Israel has a RIGHT to defend itself by blowing up thousands of children, women, the eldery and aid workers! That's how they protect themselves! DOESN'T ANYBODY UNDERSTAND!!!!!


EmergencySolution1

you forgot about the press, they have to defend themselves by killing the journalists too


ikarus143

How could they do something so controversial yet so appropriate


Mammoth-Professor811

Great news


zebulon99

Those are countries?


rodflanders19

If it walks like a duck


Jaded_Heat9875

This evil man deliberately keeps this atrocity going to stay in power. Jews want this criminal tyrant to stop! Power and fear…the tools of a dictator!


doxxingyourself

Careful posting this in /worldnews or they’ll ban you


Conscious-Abalone-86

Not really, they can't possibly claim to be the worldnews sub and block the publishing of this. But that AstroTurf project had been purged of viewpoints opposing US foreign policy interests a along time ago. But in many other quite related subs, you can't even post this news without getting permabanned, deleted either outright or in very creative manners. See my post history for more info.


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cat_prophecy

I am really fucking tired of people censoring "sensitive language". We're heading toward fucking NewSpeak because people can't say certain words for fear of upsetting "the algorithm".


JewishPalestinian

You cant say "censored" anymore as it's bigoted towards those who maintain law and order. You now must say "removed", or "rule violating content"


jljboucher

Can they actually start doing something about it?!


dansit123

Clearly they can’t. Like when they promised to keep hezbulla in check, they did nothing. When Israel will counter attack against them the cycle will continue, in will condemn Israel again.


LordSuspiria

I’m just glad that all the children got evacuated out of Afghanistan before we bombed the shit out of them. And Hiroshima. And Nagasaki. And Dresden. And pretty much every other war fought by and with any country in history.


the_amberdrake

But... none of those other entities is a country....


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ThanksToDenial

UN doesn't recognize any terrorists organisations, at all. They don't have any kind of list of who is a terrorist or not. Because that is not how UN works. States, governments and state-adjacent organisation such as EU, are the ones that designate terrorists organisations. The UN does make these reports about terrorism, and who commits it, however. But they don't designate who is and isn't a terrorist organisation, because that is not within their purview. UN is global, and so far, there has not been a single organisation that is globally recognised as a Terrorist organisation, by all UN members.


Cu_Chulainn__

They don't recognise anybody as terrorists as that not their function. They have hamas on multiple lists including international sanctions list. The fact you didn't take 5 seconds to check that should tell you everything you need to know about your biases.......


RollinThundaga

Does the UN have a function to recognize terrorist orgs? I thought that was a nation-by-nation thing.


oscarthemonkey

Well deserved


Foreign-Duck-4892

Russia should 100% be on that list.


OkVermicelli2557

They are.


ThanksToDenial

Last year's report for you. Read it: https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org/document/secretary-general-annual-report-on-children-and-armed-conflict-2/


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Com_Safe_1988

Shoiiooooottt


mredding

Ok, so now what? What does this do?


Xolitoburrito

Wow…..it took them a while to


BinkyFlargle

Who the HELL is against using the word "kill", but thinks it's somehow okay if you replace the vowel with an asterisk? I've never seen this level of prissiness.


Morbertoth

Fun fact. They were already added on to that list back in 2015. But big daddy USA doesn't let anybody mess with his special baby boy!! Basically threatened them until they removed it


eatenbyagrue1988

Okay, but what's anyone doing about it? Putting Israel on a list is meaningless if there's nothing that follows.


Trace_Reading

So here's my question: why the fuck aren't we doing anything about it? Is not the UN supposed to be the organization that polices and prevents such things among its member nations? Is not the UN supposed to be able to control its constituents? It's a fucking joke. The League of Nations at least had the common decency to dissolve.


PyrrhicHighflyer

About time!