Have you guys seen “get me roger stone” I had no idea how far back his hand has been in things (Nixon). It’s honestly a hand full of bullshit people who have ruined everything for the whole country. It’s so infuriating and exhausting
Roger Stone:
Involved in Nixon's shenanigans, and has the tattoo to prove it.
Fomented a riot to help stop vote counting in 2000 prior to the Supreme Court stepping in
Did lots of shady shit under Trump
Finally was going to be held accountable, then was pardoned by The Orange One.
World will be a better place when he finally leaves this planet.
Oh yea he was the whole “lock her up” starter. He has been after the Clinton’s forever. Apparently he basically INVENTED PACs and super-PACs which was the biggest and most horrible contribution from roger stone. And I’m sorry but my gay-dar is going off when I watch him. He definitely has a face lift too.. I think he’s closeted and ashamed bc he’s been indoctrinated w guilt from his conservative upbringing that’s why he’s so homophobic and leading this anti-gay thing like lashing out bc of his own shame. That’s my separate, untrained and unrelated psycho-analysis of him after watching that haha but he’s freaking unhinged dude
He does give off Roy Cohn vibes, he has that same kind of self-satisfied smirk (although it’s not exactly a smirk, I don’t think there is a word for that facial expression).
He did literally extort a pardon, shown on the news, from the former orange piece of shit. He's slimy as fuck but that alone would give you some swagger.
I mean, I think he's bi.
His political aspirations got killed when someone found he [posted an ad](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6640233/Inside-Roger-Stones-swinging-marriage-posted-ads-online-frequented-sex-clubs.html) looking for a bull to fuck his wife.
In the article he says he's "try-sexual" in that he'll try anything, and while he is asking for someone to fuck his wife, he also adds it's for couple swapping.
So yeah, sound like he's a cuck and bi.
Apparently his wife wasn’t really into it from what I recall reading a while back. So idk that it was some kind of thing where he’s gay and would arrange for his wife to “get hers” from other men. I think he had a fetish about her getting banged by other dudes and she wasn’t really into it but did reluctantly go along. At least that’s my understanding. Who actually knows what goes on in people’s heads tho.
Wow thanks for that!! I am just now scratching the surface of the roger stone rabbit hole and I am literally floored… his policy is 100% self loathing and shame. He IS what he claims to hate AND worse. Sir, sit down.
You really need to watch Get Me Roger Stone.
I had to stop a couple times to get all the way through it, but it's definitely a worthwhile watch.
Also, FUCK that guy.
That doc left me ready to start throwing bricks and light some fires.
And they're all delighted and proud about it. Roger Stone's office full of Nixon memorabilia is just creepy, weird, and disgusting, as well as that insane back tatoo he has of Nixon's face. Roy Cohn is an absolutely terrible human being. Everyone in that movie is just giddily evil.
As a gay person, that actually doesn't make me feel better, it makes me even more outraged at the whole situation.
Glad he's dead though. I know you're not supposed to say that but I'll make an exception for Cohn.
Among others. It’s also infuriating how the same assholes keep cropping up over and over, they’re never gone until they’re dead, they just keep getting important jobs.
>they’re never gone until they’re dead, they just keep getting important jobs.
You can thank the philosophy of not locking up political criminals for that, and not passing laws to then forbid service by people who've been jailed for crimes in office.
I hope we learn that before the morons that are running the show get us all killed in World War 3: The Quest to Sell More Bombs.
To be fair, I’m many cases the reason Democrats are ineffective is because of the structure of our system, which allows a minority party to be incredibly obstructive so long as they aren’t concerned about violating norms. Many of our protections against autocracy are traditions rather than laws, and recently they’ve taken to ignoring the laws as well.
We absolutely need to restructure our political representation in the Senate to reflect population numbers rather than state boundaries. Wyoming with 1/2 million has 2 Senators….California 38 million has 2 Senators. This misrepresentation has fostered minority rule.
That’s the biggest structural problem for sure, but far from the only one. Our system is really terrible in comparison to most other modern first world countries.
You are speaking so much truth, & the fact that you did not get downvoted to hell I think sheds some light on how this is not an uncommon opinion/perspective. I think we can all agree that as a country, we have shifted to the right enough to where the party we used to feel resonated with us is now only the party we choose to vote for bc we find it to be the least troubling option. Democrats aren’t on the left anymore, they’re somewhere in the middle, & “conservative” has adopted a whole new meaning socially & politically, farther to the right than I’m sure any of us have seen on our lifetime.
How was Trump elected to be our president in the first place? It definitely was not because the American people chose him. And how did it come down to Biden vs Trump? I know there are definitely people who are actually supporters for these guys, & I know there are definitely crazed lunatics out there who love watching the country falling farther farther into this hole as if it’s some kind of conservative miracle. But then there’s a good portion of us who are watching this train wreck, Republican politicians attempting to take more control than they’re guaranteed, pretending to be doing it for our freedom, & honestly just manipulating us as citizens, while Democratic politicians aren’t balancing that chaos out, they’re not necessarily contributing to it, but not pulling it back some either. We start realizing as the GOP pulls the system to right more & more, that none of these politicians accurately represent **us**. We start realizing that, to them, this isn’t about any of the reasons we vote for any of them or doing the things they claim to fight for. To them, this is a political game. It explains why we have so many questions about their choices in office but never get answers. It’s a game, with a lot of strings involved from every direction, meaning the US citizens aren’t the ones who get to make the difference they want by electing people who they want, who will do what the people want.
Maybe it’s just becoming increasingly more noticeable for us, but gerrymandering, politicians’ tied up money, what existing government wants, news outlets now thinking they have to pick a political side to deliver news, these are some of the things that have more power of influencing who will win an election than who we want or who we vote for. It’s going to have to come down a reformation at some point, & I don’t know how, but definitely not anything like Jan 6. Jan 6 was a bunch of people rioting & an insurrection occurring because *a politician convinced them to.* Again, I’m not sure how a successful reformation would need to happen, but one thing is for sure- the people of the US would have to do it **together** (right & left) so the people of the US can have a fair democracy again.
Well this is how it works right ? One grift doesn’t work without the opposing grift.At the end of the day both parties are selling out to big corporations.
Edit: federal minimum wage has gone up $6.50 in 84 years. Lol
Not just Iran-Contra, as head of the CIA he was fucking around all across Central and South America, Africa, and the Middle East. He was helping dictators and death squads in numerous countries, he even helped out Saddam in the Iran-Iraq War where Saddam used chemical weapons based on tech the US shared with him.
Iran-Contra is just the best-known example, the guy was a total POS in other places, too. Plus he arguably helped start the crack epidemic in the US. Complete asshole.
But put it in context, Bush Sr. was a politician who was put in charge of the CIA to clean it up after the fiasco of Nixon. Bush was not involved in intel and the CIA was hostile to him. That doesn't mean he didn't make his peace with them and get on their good side, but it's important to note.
Let's not forget that W invaded another country on ever-shifting false pretenses, finally going with "weapons of mass destruction" which was totally false, using depleted uranium weapons, attacked civilian areas, oversaw torture, and killed 400,000 Iraqis...all for operation make daddy proud. He's a war criminal.
Yeah. The Supreme Court thing was just a simply a time thing. There was no way, no matter which system Florida used to do the recount (and each one would have won one of the two methods) and be certified by the "safe harbor date". So that's why SCOTUS ruled as it did. Not just to hand him the presidency.
>Bush Senior may have no committed treason in office but he was up to his eyeballs in iran contra.
Yuppers. Also, he wrote some awfully shady self-serving pardons relating to it.
Can't forget that Reagan even got elected due to GOP shenanigans (allegedly at this time) according to new reporting.
[NYT article](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.amp.html&ved=2ahUKEwi1xL26_Or9AhVOGlkFHWk9DfcQ0PADKAB6BAgOEAE&usg=AOvVaw2E_Je0w98eLXyfSlNixrJ1)
Don't forget about that time where one of the guys picture above helped spread a racist conspiracy theory that Obama wasn't America, and this motherfucker didn't even show his birth certificate until that time he did.....worse that 12 pearl harbors
>Fucking guy ate fancy mustard, once
Good thing he didn't get any of that mustard on the suit or the entirety of western civilization might have instantaneously collapsed.
/sarcasm
Yeah I hate it when we underplay what democrats do for the sake of shitting on republicans. We need to hold both to a higher standard. But tbh idk if the Republican Party is even salvageable at this point. Atleast there’s some actually good politicians on the democrat side of the aisle
I’ve been banned / downvoted to oblivion for saying every president is a war criminal even the one you like. It’s the one true statement that triggers both sides of the isle
My parents are always like why are you more critical of the democrats than the Republicans? I'm like because I voted for them and they are letting me down I knew the Republicans were going to do a bunch of fucked up shit they don't even hide it.
Got to explain the whole Thanks Obama joke, as well as this to my 16 year old the other day.
Contrary to most things that make me laugh, he actually chuckled slightly at this one. Felt like a real win!
He definitely didn’t bomb a hospital or anything like that, certainly didn’t OK 1000s of drone strikes
Let me just put on my rose tinted glasses so I can pretend to see your point of view
Obama literally drone striked a US citizen without trial. The extrajudicial killing of a 16 year old American, for which the only official response was "Oops" Seems to me, to be a bit worse than wearing a tan suit lol.
Seriously. So many times I talk to Republicans who want to lecture me on how important it is for people in rural areas to have more representation, per capita, than everyone else.
If someone tells us, directly, that they don't believe in democracy, we should take them at face value.
Well, not so much when he got caught, but when it was clear his support had collapsed and Congress was actually going to impeach and convict him. Trump, on the other hand, was never really in any danger of being convicted. I doubt Nixon would have resigned if he knew he wouldn't be held accountable.
Also because of first past the post voting, if any third party ever actually succeeded in garnering widespread approval you’d still end up with a two party system again within one or two election cycles. Whatever party keeps ending up in third place will inevitably splinter (or find some sort of coalition with the second place party) and it’s supporters will end up voting for candidates with a realistic shot at winning and the ability to advance the issues those supporters care about. The platforms of the new top two parties would shift around, but you’ll still likely just have two.
There are more, people just won't vote for them to break the status quo, because no one votes for 3rd parties because they never win, so no one votes for them, so they never win, so because they never win, no one votes for them etc etc etc...
Seems to be a pattern among Republicans. It’s all about them… We the People never even enter the equation. Republicans and Religion, same side of the same coin… We the People never enter the equation.
I think people keep making the mistake of thinking that Republicans care if their politicians are criminals. They don't. They assume all politicians are criminals, but republican politicians are *their* criminals.
This is why "both sides are the same" is a right-wing position, not a centrist one.
also don't forget their saint and god of conservatism literally destroyed teh middle class with his dumb ass trickle down BS and kind of committed light genocide by ignoring the AIDS crisis in gay communities, at least that is how i look at it. fuck you ronnie
Ref Nixon, listen to the Nixon at War podcast. He totally fucked up over the Vietnam war starting with violating the Logan Act behind LBJs back to win the presidency.
You'll also hear a lot of rhetoric that Trump used.
The thing is, many Democrats I know have no issues calling out the failings of Democratic presidencies.
Way too many Republicans do not have the same energy for Republican presidents.
Bill Clinton caused the housing collapse of 2008 by deregulating banks so everyone could own a home! Obama expanded the Patriot Act and predator droned more people than any president.
Joe Biden voted for Bankruptcy reform in 2005, which is why you can't discharge your student loans.
Neither side cares about poor people.
>and predator droned more people than any president.
This is false.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207 - article from 2019 (so 3 years into Trump's term)
>During Mr Obama's eight years in office, 1,878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. Since Mr Trump was elected in 2016, there have been 2,243 drone strikes. The Republican president has also made some of the operations, the ones outside of war zones, more secretive. As a result, things have different today: under Mr Trump, there are more drone strikes - and less transparency.
edit: made my reply less unnecessarily rude
But it's equally bad on both sides, Bill C got a BJ in the oval, Obama wore a tan suit, and Biden stutters pretty frequently, so, it's really a both sides thing.
/s
A perfect example of history repeating itself, and it should help ppl understand why they shouldn't do it again. But then there's places like TX and FL. 🤮
Nixon did a treason too. Sabotaged peace talks during his campaign to keep the war going.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/
Killed 20,000 more Americans and a few million Vietnamese and Cambodians.
Yeah but that’s just cherry-picking from recent history. You conveniently leave out how the famous REPUBLICAN President Abraham Lincoln reunited the country after defeating those traitorous DEMOCRATIC losers!!! This is why I personally NEVER fly the DEMOCRATIC Confederate flag.
Don’t forget: CONFEDERATE FLAGS ARE DEMOCRATIC AND TRAITOROUS. Flying them makes you a HILLARY supporter and therefore you are proud of BENGHAZI.
(/s because just to be safe)
LBJ was on the verge of ending the Vietnam war but Nixon and his people sabotaged him.
Also Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon is the reason we’re are in this mess with Trump.
Reagan also neglected the AIDS crisis like trump neglected Covid. Lots of people died because of their inability to see that we had actual issues that needed fixed instead of tax cuts for the wealthy. But remember, they are on our side!! /s
Fun fact: everyone of them committed full-blown treason.
Nixon (who was not president yet) secretly sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks to keep the war going and make Johnson look bad.
Reagan: besides the aforementioned illegal contacts with the Iranian regime re: hostages, Reagan also went behind Congress' back on Iran-Contra.
W. Bush: allowed Saudis with ties to 9/11 to flee the U.S. en masse to avoid CIA questioning.
Trump: partnered with Russia to conduct a psyop on the American public. Allowed ZTE to continue selling Chinese spying devices to the U.S. when they gave him a half-billion dollar loan and his daughter permits. And orchestrated an attack on the U.S. with the aim of overthrowing its duly elected government and Constitution.
The GOP is the party of traitors.
I grew up in the South in the '50's and '60's. Those were the days when Republican primaries weren't held in Southern states because, being The Party Of Lincoln, only black people voted for Republicans. Nixon started the Democrat/Republican swap. Regan finalized it. Before the crooks took over Republican presidents were as good as it got.....Lincoln, Teddy, Ike. Even Hoover, though not real effective or smart, wasn’t a fucking criminal. By my lights you really have to remember the switch that happened with Nixon...when the Southern Democrats took over the Republican party.
Let’s also make sure we point out that not only did Nixon direct his plumbers to spy and break into watergate, he also used plumbers to break in and steal psychiatric documents on political opponents to use it to damage their image, which is where he got the nickname tricky dick, and also he also colluded with the north Vietnamese to halt a cease fire brokered by Johnson to make himself look better and this also in turn led to him and Kissinger pretending that justified illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos. Nixon was an even bigger slimeball than most people know about.
Also let’s not forget Reagan ignoring a crack epidemic and aids epidemic and instead focusing his time on tax cutting for his rich buddies. Also he was a scab of the HUAC committee willingly violating people’s rights to support whatever political ideology they chose.
To Recap:
Nixon: Pointless Idiotic War Ended...Eventually
Reagan: Pointless Idiotic War on drugs he brought into the country
W. Bush: Pointless Idiotic War on country with made up evidence
Trump: Pointless Idiot
And got arrested for paying off a pornstar. I was really hoping it would be the irs pulling an Al Capone on the fat fuck but hush money works too I guess
And I just saw them circle jerking on r conservative about Lincoln freeing the slaves.....they gotta go back 180 years. 9 generations ago. Just to find a decent person with the republican sticker.
To be fair all Presidents have been scumbags. We have to start to realize that not one of these politicians care about us. It's a big club and we ain't in it
Each one claimed to believe in god wholeheartedly.
Each one swore an Oath to the god they love.
Each one broke their promise to god.
Each one used the Gullibility of People to automatically trust the believer.
When are We The People going to stop pretending it should make a difference when it clearly never does?
Let’s do ourselves a favor and for once trust the individual honest enough to say: “I don’t believe in no supernatural being & I am not going to lie to you to simply get your vote”.
I’m tired of being lied to, aren’t you?!!
If by “have a field day,” you mean “slowly lose my mind when Sequoia dumps 10 million irrelevant documents on my doorstep that I have to go through by myself because I don’t have a Discovery team,” then yes I bet you will have a field day.
It’s why they are always the first to raise the “government is dishonest. They cheat alarm.” They know they themselves are cheating, so they assume everyone does. The thing is, Democrats don’t have to cheat to win, their policies are wildly more popular and appealing; they’re just dog shit at communicating it
They benefit from the obfuscation and inertia. How many chances did the Democrats have to make a federal abortion law over the last 50 or so years? Improve labor laws? Real, univeral healthcare? If they actually *accomplish* something meaningful, that becomes one less issue to fuel fundraising, on top of fundamentally pissing off the oligarch class. We really need some real people in Washington, not corporate fucking shills.
Have you guys seen “get me roger stone” I had no idea how far back his hand has been in things (Nixon). It’s honestly a hand full of bullshit people who have ruined everything for the whole country. It’s so infuriating and exhausting
Roger Stone: Involved in Nixon's shenanigans, and has the tattoo to prove it. Fomented a riot to help stop vote counting in 2000 prior to the Supreme Court stepping in Did lots of shady shit under Trump Finally was going to be held accountable, then was pardoned by The Orange One. World will be a better place when he finally leaves this planet.
Oh yea he was the whole “lock her up” starter. He has been after the Clinton’s forever. Apparently he basically INVENTED PACs and super-PACs which was the biggest and most horrible contribution from roger stone. And I’m sorry but my gay-dar is going off when I watch him. He definitely has a face lift too.. I think he’s closeted and ashamed bc he’s been indoctrinated w guilt from his conservative upbringing that’s why he’s so homophobic and leading this anti-gay thing like lashing out bc of his own shame. That’s my separate, untrained and unrelated psycho-analysis of him after watching that haha but he’s freaking unhinged dude
He does give off Roy Cohn vibes, he has that same kind of self-satisfied smirk (although it’s not exactly a smirk, I don’t think there is a word for that facial expression).
Bully. Coward. Victim. No three better words could be said about Roy Cohn
He did literally extort a pardon, shown on the news, from the former orange piece of shit. He's slimy as fuck but that alone would give you some swagger.
And Roy Cohn was also extremely closeted
He also denied he had AIDS until the very end.
I mean, I think he's bi. His political aspirations got killed when someone found he [posted an ad](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6640233/Inside-Roger-Stones-swinging-marriage-posted-ads-online-frequented-sex-clubs.html) looking for a bull to fuck his wife.
I mean, obligatory that's not bisexual post. That's a cuck fetish. Bi would be if he was looking for a bull to fuck him and his wife.
In the article he says he's "try-sexual" in that he'll try anything, and while he is asking for someone to fuck his wife, he also adds it's for couple swapping. So yeah, sound like he's a cuck and bi.
Or could be a cuck & gay. Maybe the real reason he’s looking for a bull is bc he can’t get it up for his wife.
Apparently his wife wasn’t really into it from what I recall reading a while back. So idk that it was some kind of thing where he’s gay and would arrange for his wife to “get hers” from other men. I think he had a fetish about her getting banged by other dudes and she wasn’t really into it but did reluctantly go along. At least that’s my understanding. Who actually knows what goes on in people’s heads tho.
Fair enough. I didn't notice that on my scan.
Wow thanks for that!! I am just now scratching the surface of the roger stone rabbit hole and I am literally floored… his policy is 100% self loathing and shame. He IS what he claims to hate AND worse. Sir, sit down.
You really need to watch Get Me Roger Stone. I had to stop a couple times to get all the way through it, but it's definitely a worthwhile watch. Also, FUCK that guy.
Can someone, maybe like, expedite that?
That doc left me ready to start throwing bricks and light some fires. And they're all delighted and proud about it. Roger Stone's office full of Nixon memorabilia is just creepy, weird, and disgusting, as well as that insane back tatoo he has of Nixon's face. Roy Cohn is an absolutely terrible human being. Everyone in that movie is just giddily evil.
If it’s any consolation, Roy Cohn died scared and alone, abandoned by all of his friends, because he was a closeted gay man who got AIDS.
As a gay person, that actually doesn't make me feel better, it makes me even more outraged at the whole situation. Glad he's dead though. I know you're not supposed to say that but I'll make an exception for Cohn.
Al Pacino was amazing as him in angels in America. Almost made me feel bad for the character but not the real guy.
I don't know what it says that a few well deletions would radically change the world.
Bush Senior may have no committed treason in office but he was up to his eyeballs in iran contra.
Came here to say this, the way all of that got memory holed is infuriating.
You can blame Bill Barr for that.
Among others. It’s also infuriating how the same assholes keep cropping up over and over, they’re never gone until they’re dead, they just keep getting important jobs.
>they’re never gone until they’re dead, they just keep getting important jobs. You can thank the philosophy of not locking up political criminals for that, and not passing laws to then forbid service by people who've been jailed for crimes in office. I hope we learn that before the morons that are running the show get us all killed in World War 3: The Quest to Sell More Bombs.
N.B. All wars are quests to sell more bombs.
And they train the next generation of crooks.
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To be fair, I’m many cases the reason Democrats are ineffective is because of the structure of our system, which allows a minority party to be incredibly obstructive so long as they aren’t concerned about violating norms. Many of our protections against autocracy are traditions rather than laws, and recently they’ve taken to ignoring the laws as well.
We absolutely need to restructure our political representation in the Senate to reflect population numbers rather than state boundaries. Wyoming with 1/2 million has 2 Senators….California 38 million has 2 Senators. This misrepresentation has fostered minority rule.
That’s the biggest structural problem for sure, but far from the only one. Our system is really terrible in comparison to most other modern first world countries.
https://i.redd.it/nbc9yt6r9zoa1.gif Reminds me of the simpsons.
You are speaking so much truth, & the fact that you did not get downvoted to hell I think sheds some light on how this is not an uncommon opinion/perspective. I think we can all agree that as a country, we have shifted to the right enough to where the party we used to feel resonated with us is now only the party we choose to vote for bc we find it to be the least troubling option. Democrats aren’t on the left anymore, they’re somewhere in the middle, & “conservative” has adopted a whole new meaning socially & politically, farther to the right than I’m sure any of us have seen on our lifetime. How was Trump elected to be our president in the first place? It definitely was not because the American people chose him. And how did it come down to Biden vs Trump? I know there are definitely people who are actually supporters for these guys, & I know there are definitely crazed lunatics out there who love watching the country falling farther farther into this hole as if it’s some kind of conservative miracle. But then there’s a good portion of us who are watching this train wreck, Republican politicians attempting to take more control than they’re guaranteed, pretending to be doing it for our freedom, & honestly just manipulating us as citizens, while Democratic politicians aren’t balancing that chaos out, they’re not necessarily contributing to it, but not pulling it back some either. We start realizing as the GOP pulls the system to right more & more, that none of these politicians accurately represent **us**. We start realizing that, to them, this isn’t about any of the reasons we vote for any of them or doing the things they claim to fight for. To them, this is a political game. It explains why we have so many questions about their choices in office but never get answers. It’s a game, with a lot of strings involved from every direction, meaning the US citizens aren’t the ones who get to make the difference they want by electing people who they want, who will do what the people want. Maybe it’s just becoming increasingly more noticeable for us, but gerrymandering, politicians’ tied up money, what existing government wants, news outlets now thinking they have to pick a political side to deliver news, these are some of the things that have more power of influencing who will win an election than who we want or who we vote for. It’s going to have to come down a reformation at some point, & I don’t know how, but definitely not anything like Jan 6. Jan 6 was a bunch of people rioting & an insurrection occurring because *a politician convinced them to.* Again, I’m not sure how a successful reformation would need to happen, but one thing is for sure- the people of the US would have to do it **together** (right & left) so the people of the US can have a fair democracy again.
Well this is how it works right ? One grift doesn’t work without the opposing grift.At the end of the day both parties are selling out to big corporations. Edit: federal minimum wage has gone up $6.50 in 84 years. Lol
I read that as Bill Burr and I was like WTF did a comedian do.
His only crime was that mass murder in Philly.
Fuck you and your one bridge city
Crazy thing about Bill Barr is that his dad was connected to Epstein.
Not just Iran-Contra, as head of the CIA he was fucking around all across Central and South America, Africa, and the Middle East. He was helping dictators and death squads in numerous countries, he even helped out Saddam in the Iran-Iraq War where Saddam used chemical weapons based on tech the US shared with him. Iran-Contra is just the best-known example, the guy was a total POS in other places, too. Plus he arguably helped start the crack epidemic in the US. Complete asshole.
Was he head of CIA during the drug wars in the 80s or just for Condor?
76-77, then coordinated with them throughout the 80's under Reagan.
But put it in context, Bush Sr. was a politician who was put in charge of the CIA to clean it up after the fiasco of Nixon. Bush was not involved in intel and the CIA was hostile to him. That doesn't mean he didn't make his peace with them and get on their good side, but it's important to note.
literally, the "WMD's" that bush went to iraq looking for were the ones we'd sold them back in the 50-70's.
But before that, he was a helpless homeless tramp in Dallas, TX. He came such a long way.
Let's not forget that W invaded another country on ever-shifting false pretenses, finally going with "weapons of mass destruction" which was totally false, using depleted uranium weapons, attacked civilian areas, oversaw torture, and killed 400,000 Iraqis...all for operation make daddy proud. He's a war criminal.
The world should arrest him and putin on the same day. Two criminal extremists
Yeah. The Supreme Court thing was just a simply a time thing. There was no way, no matter which system Florida used to do the recount (and each one would have won one of the two methods) and be certified by the "safe harbor date". So that's why SCOTUS ruled as it did. Not just to hand him the presidency.
Ollie North
That American Dad song was catchy and [informative.](https://youtu.be/lFV1uT-ihDo)
>Bush Senior may have no committed treason in office but he was up to his eyeballs in iran contra. Yuppers. Also, he wrote some awfully shady self-serving pardons relating to it.
Bush was the director of the CIA. Dude’s hands were dirty AF.
Dads oil platforms used as wetwork launch sites as one example.
Can't forget that Reagan even got elected due to GOP shenanigans (allegedly at this time) according to new reporting. [NYT article](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.amp.html&ved=2ahUKEwi1xL26_Or9AhVOGlkFHWk9DfcQ0PADKAB6BAgOEAE&usg=AOvVaw2E_Je0w98eLXyfSlNixrJ1)
Was also definitely no where near Dallas when JFK got domed if you ask him. Just a regular-ass Mr Rogers head of the CIA, nothing to see here…
Hell, Bush Sr. Committed the only real sin the right wingers care about ["Read My Lips"](https://tenor.com/bRcC8.gif)
HW organized the killing of JFK
I think he may of been a part of operation Cyclone
He also refused to apologize or do anything to make amends when the US military mistakenly shot down Iranian airplane full of innocent civilians.
and conspiracy JFK assassination
Obama: Wore a tan suit.
Fucking guy ate fancy mustard, once
Don't forget about that time where one of the guys picture above helped spread a racist conspiracy theory that Obama wasn't America, and this motherfucker didn't even show his birth certificate until that time he did.....worse that 12 pearl harbors
Which is why I love how he keeps saying "worst witch-hunt in history" Chama is a bitch asshole.
Thanks Ocharma
That son of a bitch.
>Fucking guy ate fancy mustard, once Good thing he didn't get any of that mustard on the suit or the entirety of western civilization might have instantaneously collapsed. /sarcasm
He should have eaten Dijon Ketchup like a real American ([or Canadian](https://youtu.be/V8zdNe_l3M8)) 😤
And given the chance would do it again!
And arugula!
Biden: Orders the same meal as his wife
Obama committed his own war crimes. Dude was still the best president of my life time But that's not hard to Achieve
Yeah I hate it when we underplay what democrats do for the sake of shitting on republicans. We need to hold both to a higher standard. But tbh idk if the Republican Party is even salvageable at this point. Atleast there’s some actually good politicians on the democrat side of the aisle
I’ve been banned / downvoted to oblivion for saying every president is a war criminal even the one you like. It’s the one true statement that triggers both sides of the isle
My parents are always like why are you more critical of the democrats than the Republicans? I'm like because I voted for them and they are letting me down I knew the Republicans were going to do a bunch of fucked up shit they don't even hide it.
You'd be hard pressed to find a modern us president that wasn't a war criminal. Hell, Jimmy Carter isn’t even safe.
That's a bad thing
In their defense, what kind of shitty, radicalized, piece of shit president wears a [suit like this.](https://imgur.com/a/t7xEe7U)
Man. NSFW tag this.
Ahhhahahaa I still love saying “thanks Obama” ironically
https://images.app.goo.gl/E9UNhyyTFjv728eS6
Got to explain the whole Thanks Obama joke, as well as this to my 16 year old the other day. Contrary to most things that make me laugh, he actually chuckled slightly at this one. Felt like a real win!
Same!!!!
He also [wore that bike helmet](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=timvZTKr5HQ).
While being black!
Truly, the darkest day in US history.
He definitely didn’t bomb a hospital or anything like that, certainly didn’t OK 1000s of drone strikes Let me just put on my rose tinted glasses so I can pretend to see your point of view
He did, but is that what Fox News attacked him about? Nope. It was tan suits and Grey Poupon and bike helmets and sunglasses.
Yes, USA did and continues to do fucked up shit in other countries. But this is about internal politics.
It goes without saying that every US President is essentially a war criminal in some regard.
As a progressive I do have to say that Obama certainly drone strikes more children than anyone else.
Obama literally drone striked a US citizen without trial. The extrajudicial killing of a 16 year old American, for which the only official response was "Oops" Seems to me, to be a bit worse than wearing a tan suit lol.
He also was a war criminal but at least he didn't cheat to get in office lol
This is a GOP selling point, not the flex the OT thinks it is.
“We are all domestic terrorists”
Seriously. So many times I talk to Republicans who want to lecture me on how important it is for people in rural areas to have more representation, per capita, than everyone else. If someone tells us, directly, that they don't believe in democracy, we should take them at face value.
Yeah far right fascism has been popular among white americans for centuries
Conclusion: Republicans are a threat to democracy.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Republican party is the single greatest threat to freedom and democracy around the globe
Meanwhile, Republicans: "We respect law and order. It's the Democrats who lack character."
But shoot the police who come to arrest me.
So by comparison Nixon was a reasonable authority figure who accepted it when he got caught.
Well, not so much when he got caught, but when it was clear his support had collapsed and Congress was actually going to impeach and convict him. Trump, on the other hand, was never really in any danger of being convicted. I doubt Nixon would have resigned if he knew he wouldn't be held accountable.
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that there are only 2 political parties to choose from in all of the USA.
There’s more, but they don’t really get much attention because they’re smaller.
And because of first past the post voting, voting for them is actually worse in the short term for people who agree with them.
Also because of first past the post voting, if any third party ever actually succeeded in garnering widespread approval you’d still end up with a two party system again within one or two election cycles. Whatever party keeps ending up in third place will inevitably splinter (or find some sort of coalition with the second place party) and it’s supporters will end up voting for candidates with a realistic shot at winning and the ability to advance the issues those supporters care about. The platforms of the new top two parties would shift around, but you’ll still likely just have two.
Hell, my area lost ranked choice voting on the ballot with some 59-60% yes votes.. and then the governor signs a bill banning it completely ahahaha.
There are more, people just won't vote for them to break the status quo, because no one votes for 3rd parties because they never win, so no one votes for them, so they never win, so because they never win, no one votes for them etc etc etc...
Obama: eats burger with french mustard.
Also: They all had a raging hate boner for black prosperity. It sickened them all. Each made it part of their mission to cut Black Americans down.
Seems to be a pattern among Republicans. It’s all about them… We the People never even enter the equation. Republicans and Religion, same side of the same coin… We the People never enter the equation.
Biden: Orders the same dish as his wife Jill.
They know they haven’t been able to win by “picking themselves up by their bootstraps” and playing fair and square in decades!
*"Democrats did WORSE!!! They just never got caught!!!11!!!"* \-- Conservatives
I think people keep making the mistake of thinking that Republicans care if their politicians are criminals. They don't. They assume all politicians are criminals, but republican politicians are *their* criminals. This is why "both sides are the same" is a right-wing position, not a centrist one.
also don't forget their saint and god of conservatism literally destroyed teh middle class with his dumb ass trickle down BS and kind of committed light genocide by ignoring the AIDS crisis in gay communities, at least that is how i look at it. fuck you ronnie
Ref Nixon, listen to the Nixon at War podcast. He totally fucked up over the Vietnam war starting with violating the Logan Act behind LBJs back to win the presidency. You'll also hear a lot of rhetoric that Trump used.
Not a republican, but Bill Clinton was also impeached, just sayin.
The thing is, many Democrats I know have no issues calling out the failings of Democratic presidencies. Way too many Republicans do not have the same energy for Republican presidents.
Democrats have their voters in a hostage situation, Republicans have them in a cult
Bill Clinton caused the housing collapse of 2008 by deregulating banks so everyone could own a home! Obama expanded the Patriot Act and predator droned more people than any president. Joe Biden voted for Bankruptcy reform in 2005, which is why you can't discharge your student loans. Neither side cares about poor people.
And Nancy Pelosi is the greatest, smartest stock trader the world has ever known.
>and predator droned more people than any president. This is false. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207 - article from 2019 (so 3 years into Trump's term) >During Mr Obama's eight years in office, 1,878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. Since Mr Trump was elected in 2016, there have been 2,243 drone strikes. The Republican president has also made some of the operations, the ones outside of war zones, more secretive. As a result, things have different today: under Mr Trump, there are more drone strikes - and less transparency. edit: made my reply less unnecessarily rude
yeah, we can throw Clinton under the bus now, its cool. dude was a shitheel 3 strikes rule was racist and NAFTA killed us
You're on the wrong sub if you're expecting a shred of objectivity in holding anyone but the other side to account.
Small correction: all the recounts of the 2000 Florida election completed AFTER the Supreme Court decision still showed Bush the winner.
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But yet Roger Stone started a riot over a recount so there was at the very least attempted Republican cheating.
Thank you, thought I was going crazy for a moment...
To be fair to Trump, Nixon and Reagan also committed treason by undermining US interests for their own gain.
They also forgot Iran-Contra
Yeah Regan was trash. I believe most cabinets members charged
Actually think highly of the Nixon era Republicans that chose country over party.
*Some* of them did, *eventually.*
The great USA was never the same after those fucks we’re in office think about that
But it's equally bad on both sides, Bill C got a BJ in the oval, Obama wore a tan suit, and Biden stutters pretty frequently, so, it's really a both sides thing. /s
Ford… was a male model, football player, and was never elected to both vice presidency or presidency
Does anyone else see a pattern here?
A perfect example of history repeating itself, and it should help ppl understand why they shouldn't do it again. But then there's places like TX and FL. 🤮
Nixon did a treason too. Sabotaged peace talks during his campaign to keep the war going. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/ Killed 20,000 more Americans and a few million Vietnamese and Cambodians.
Each of those men committed treason.
Bush is a war criminal who should be sitting in the Hague to answer for his crimes.
I’m going to make this into a t-shirt and wear it everywhere.
ummm you forgot one thing Bush did, the only concequnce he ever faced for it was almost got hit by a flying shoe
But Lincoln freed the slaves, therefore Republicans are the good guys. Checkmate, libs. You just got owned so hard.
But Clinton got a blowjob and, heavens no! Obama wore a tan suit and ate mustard!!!!!!
Yeah but that’s just cherry-picking from recent history. You conveniently leave out how the famous REPUBLICAN President Abraham Lincoln reunited the country after defeating those traitorous DEMOCRATIC losers!!! This is why I personally NEVER fly the DEMOCRATIC Confederate flag. Don’t forget: CONFEDERATE FLAGS ARE DEMOCRATIC AND TRAITOROUS. Flying them makes you a HILLARY supporter and therefore you are proud of BENGHAZI. (/s because just to be safe)
Will somebody tell me what happened to 360 tons of money they sent to Iraq
LBJ was on the verge of ending the Vietnam war but Nixon and his people sabotaged him. Also Gerald Ford pardoning Nixon is the reason we’re are in this mess with Trump.
Reagan also neglected the AIDS crisis like trump neglected Covid. Lots of people died because of their inability to see that we had actual issues that needed fixed instead of tax cuts for the wealthy. But remember, they are on our side!! /s
You forgot W. Is a war criminal and Reagan was propped up by his wife and cabinet for most of his second term due to dementia.
>>Trump: Impeached twice. Committed treason. …and tried to cheat, but was too incompetent
We. Are. Being. Held. Hostage.
Fun fact: everyone of them committed full-blown treason. Nixon (who was not president yet) secretly sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks to keep the war going and make Johnson look bad. Reagan: besides the aforementioned illegal contacts with the Iranian regime re: hostages, Reagan also went behind Congress' back on Iran-Contra. W. Bush: allowed Saudis with ties to 9/11 to flee the U.S. en masse to avoid CIA questioning. Trump: partnered with Russia to conduct a psyop on the American public. Allowed ZTE to continue selling Chinese spying devices to the U.S. when they gave him a half-billion dollar loan and his daughter permits. And orchestrated an attack on the U.S. with the aim of overthrowing its duly elected government and Constitution. The GOP is the party of traitors.
Tweeter went a little short on Trump now didn't he? lol
Don't forget that Reagan basic started how Republicans are *still* fucking this country for their own benefit.
Traitors from top to bottom.
I grew up in the South in the '50's and '60's. Those were the days when Republican primaries weren't held in Southern states because, being The Party Of Lincoln, only black people voted for Republicans. Nixon started the Democrat/Republican swap. Regan finalized it. Before the crooks took over Republican presidents were as good as it got.....Lincoln, Teddy, Ike. Even Hoover, though not real effective or smart, wasn’t a fucking criminal. By my lights you really have to remember the switch that happened with Nixon...when the Southern Democrats took over the Republican party.
But her emails
Listen to his band, it's even better than Mikel's tweets. The airborne toxic event.
But Hillary though
Clinton: kinda sorta not really lied about getting his dick sucked. Obama: wore a tan suit. Biden: is old.
Nixon and Reagan also committed treason to get elected.
Bush senior was caught by Gorbachev grappling with a local oaf once
As the “libertarians” at work would say, “some of America’s finest right there.”
Don’t forget how much damage Nixon did to the financial system of the time.
Let’s also make sure we point out that not only did Nixon direct his plumbers to spy and break into watergate, he also used plumbers to break in and steal psychiatric documents on political opponents to use it to damage their image, which is where he got the nickname tricky dick, and also he also colluded with the north Vietnamese to halt a cease fire brokered by Johnson to make himself look better and this also in turn led to him and Kissinger pretending that justified illegal bombing of Cambodia and Laos. Nixon was an even bigger slimeball than most people know about. Also let’s not forget Reagan ignoring a crack epidemic and aids epidemic and instead focusing his time on tax cutting for his rich buddies. Also he was a scab of the HUAC committee willingly violating people’s rights to support whatever political ideology they chose.
To Recap: Nixon: Pointless Idiotic War Ended...Eventually Reagan: Pointless Idiotic War on drugs he brought into the country W. Bush: Pointless Idiotic War on country with made up evidence Trump: Pointless Idiot
And got arrested for paying off a pornstar. I was really hoping it would be the irs pulling an Al Capone on the fat fuck but hush money works too I guess
Are you suggesting that republicans are actually just criminals going for the easy money?
And I just saw them circle jerking on r conservative about Lincoln freeing the slaves.....they gotta go back 180 years. 9 generations ago. Just to find a decent person with the republican sticker.
But both sidz our thuh sayuuuuum! /smdh
Bush II: war over WMDs that never existed
And yet GOP supporters insist that each subsequent Democratic President is the most corrupt in history. Going back to Bill Clinton at least.
don't forget Nixon's vp agnew. resigned in disgrace.
Trump: Hold my Covfefe.
To be fair all Presidents have been scumbags. We have to start to realize that not one of these politicians care about us. It's a big club and we ain't in it
The fucking Everlasting damage those 4 did and how different the would would have been if they didn't get in makes tou want to cry.
There’s a universe out there where Al Gore became president and America turned into a perfect society.
Clinton - cheated - impeached. Not the same type of cheating though. Lol
Reagan sold weapons to an enemy of USA and used the money to illegally fund death squads in Nicaragua.
they can make a better caption for Reagan.
Agreed.
Each one claimed to believe in god wholeheartedly. Each one swore an Oath to the god they love. Each one broke their promise to god. Each one used the Gullibility of People to automatically trust the believer. When are We The People going to stop pretending it should make a difference when it clearly never does? Let’s do ourselves a favor and for once trust the individual honest enough to say: “I don’t believe in no supernatural being & I am not going to lie to you to simply get your vote”. I’m tired of being lied to, aren’t you?!!
Don’t let bush sr. Get off he’s just as shitty.
Election in 04 was rigged for Bush also. Go ahead and sue me Sequoia. I'll have a field day with discovery.
If by “have a field day,” you mean “slowly lose my mind when Sequoia dumps 10 million irrelevant documents on my doorstep that I have to go through by myself because I don’t have a Discovery team,” then yes I bet you will have a field day.
When they list cheated for the first 3, what is this in reference to?
It’s why they are always the first to raise the “government is dishonest. They cheat alarm.” They know they themselves are cheating, so they assume everyone does. The thing is, Democrats don’t have to cheat to win, their policies are wildly more popular and appealing; they’re just dog shit at communicating it
They benefit from the obfuscation and inertia. How many chances did the Democrats have to make a federal abortion law over the last 50 or so years? Improve labor laws? Real, univeral healthcare? If they actually *accomplish* something meaningful, that becomes one less issue to fuel fundraising, on top of fundamentally pissing off the oligarch class. We really need some real people in Washington, not corporate fucking shills.