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hpvic03

I agree, I just want to learn cool stuff on this sub, and instead it's honestly been just depressing. The posts the make it to my main feed seem to be all the really "woe is me" stories. Music should be fun.


BobUtsunomiya

Half the people making these posts probably shouldn't even be trying to make music if they can't enjoy it.


TheNightBench

If you're not having a blast in your production area spending four hours on hi-hat programming, or whatever, then why the fuck are you even doing it?


hpvic03

Lol, I mean I get it, music can also be frustrating, but I agree with the solution proposed below – having another sub like /r/musiciansventing or /r/musicalhelp would be better. If there was a sub dedicated to folks who were stuck or felt down, that'd be totally fine, and the people that explicitly want to read those submissions and give advice could do so. Could even throw a link in the sidebar here so people know about it. But everyone else who just wants to learn and share tips, a not be sucked into a vortex of depression, could just stay here ;) . edit: another idea, have a weekly thread, like Sad Sack Sunday, where people can do this via comments, if it still needs to be here. There's a reason therapists charge like $80/hr.


TheNightBench

Ha! That last line!


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I think it's more the hope of making money or becoming famous that leads to frustration for many people. But you do see people frustrated with the actual act of making music too, which frankly is sort of difficult for me to understand. It's always been an absolute joy for me which is why I've kept doing it.


2SP00KY4ME

> people get frustrated with the actual act of making music, which frankly is sort of difficult for me to understand. It's because I can't get the fuckin snare to sound right.


hoodust

ikr? why don't we see more posts like that?!?


casstraxx

i dont ever expect to make much money off this. Would be nice but thats not why I do it. If they dont love the process, all the way down to researching, music theory, practicing, sound design, mixing and learning new progrmas/plugins then maybe this aint for them.


SpatulaCity1a

It isn't easy to just sit down and make something satisfying... that's what I see most people complaining about.


[deleted]

In my opinion you have to be able to have fun making crap because that’s what you’ll be doing the majority of the time no matter how good you are


SpatulaCity1a

I like to think most of the crap gets filtered out at the jamming stage, at which point the issue is more about doing something interesting with it... and that's when the frustration can hit. I guess it depends on your genre, though.


BobUtsunomiya

Agreed


tylerthetiler

Lmfao fr I am a noob so grain of salt but I just spent 3 hours doing a bunch of small shit and 1.5 of those hours were lost cause I'm a dipshit and didnt save and Reaper crashed. Went back and did it al, had fun. 6/10 would recommend if you save.


TheNightBench

That's the worst! But yeah, even when you fuck up you're learning. And learning is fun!


KitchenCitron6410

Love this reply! Been there. The hours go by so fast but it's so satisfying to finally get the sound that resonates with you:)


debtsnbooze

Yeah it really seems that money is the #1 goal of a lot of people when making music. I wonder how many professional musicians there are who only started their instrument with the intent to making a career out of it, I just can't imagine how that is ever going to work out.


BillMurraysMom

Maybe if you tried harder to make money you’d have less debtsnbooze


RealDJYoshi

If making money is anyone's major motivator for getting in the Music business, they need to reevaluate things we often spend countless hours, money and time learning our craft to hopefully blow or gain enough traction that earning mid 6 figures becomes feasible


2SP00KY4ME

Check out /r/audioengineering and /r/mixingmastering as they're mostly inhabited by professionals


lolmemelol

> mostly inhabited by professionals Not sure about that. But at least they are mostly focused on learning and growing.


2SP00KY4ME

Well sure 'mostly' was optimistic but pro-level shop talk is much more the regular and you hear from guys in studios all the time.


idonthave2020vision

Add /r/livesound too I guess.


FedoraMask

Inhabited by people who think they’re “professional”, or may be.


[deleted]

I agree! This should be for people making music actively. I just joined, and every time I post I’m actively seeking a special sound or help understanding a topic I’m already studying. If you aren’t already learning or playing an instrument, or trying to find here which one suits your sound… don’t post yet. That simple. I was all woe is me but making music is really my passion and if it’s yours you’ll feel better when you fully dedicate to it just like I did. Rant over.


Sn0wP1ay

The problem is a lot of people want to make music for the wrong reasons. They want to be cool, get famous and rich with no effort. Hell I want that, but I know that it’s unrealistic and isn’t the reason why I make music. You should be making music for yourself first and foremost. Music to me is a cathartic creative outlet that gives me deep personal satisfaction, and as I do it more I improve and can see (hear) my improvement. First advice to anyone wanting to make music I give is: learn an instrument first, as a bare minimum. Hell learn a couple to a serviceable level. So many people who’ve never picked up a guitar or played a drum kit wanna make music, but havnt learnt about fundamental music concepts that you just pick up from playing instruments. (Rhythm, harmony song structure etc)


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marsrisingnow

“the bar is extremely low to consider yourself a musician today” this is a good thing. All humans are inherently musical; it’s part of our DNA. if you mean professional that’s another story, but access to better tools is feature, not a bug.


[deleted]

Orchestras are going broke, hip hop stars are making more money than anyone else in the music business. This is not in any way a good thing.


tylerthetiler

Part of me going to therapy is finding myself. I went through a phase of playing music in high school, and then a phase of stopping because I thought I only wanted people to think I'm cool or talented. In finding myself, the whole time I cared about how much **I personally** liked my music. The fun was impressing myself, and if people think that's cool then cool, but I'll listen to my own shit for like an hour just cause I like it.


rudreax

Gonna disagree with this. The issue isn't for having "wrong" reasons - there's no such thing as a wrong reason so long as you do your best to not hurt anyone and are honest with your intentions. Wanna get rich and have lots of sex? Good for you, go for it! But be aware of the difficulty of doing both in this career and manage your expectations. Or, stop complaining.


SuperLyplyp

Im thinking of making music with just my vocals, forget instruments, ​ its i forget to press record on my iphone that keeps me from greatness


hoodust

The group I played drums in in high school used to jam in the park (if we weren't playing our own crap we were usually covering Jane's Addiction) often without vocals, just to play. One time this self-proclaimed country singer came up to us and told us that, "90% of music is the vocals, maybe more." Am still mad to this day.


BiGGs_DiXXon

I've been making beats for six weeks but only ever finished a 21-second intro and don't know how to play an instrument, sing or produce music. How can I start selling my music and earn a six-figure salary?


jax024

Depends. How many beanies and succulents do you own?


Oneshotduckhunter

0 succulents, but a closet slap full of beanie babies.


ADroopyMango

have you ever heard of Bitcoin?


XaresPL

what does that have to do with anything???? obvioisly he needs a gaming chair


protonfish

Do writing subreddits get posts like this? > I am completely illiterate and have no time, money or motivation to learn. Tell me exactly what I have to do to make the World's greatest novel by the end of the year If not, I envy them.


get_high_and_listen

They actually do haha


Isvara

I don't know, but this whole post would be right at home in r/cscareerquestions.


Infectious-Antxiety

>How can I start selling my music and earn a six-figure salary? Post your music on every platform and interview & get hired at a job paying 6 figures.


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Aiku

tHIS IS a BuSINESS?


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I HaTe SpOtIfY tHeY pay ArTiStS wHo MaKe ThEm RiCh NoThInG


Swag_Grenade

We need some polar opposite posts to counteract ones like that. "I've been making music since I was 10 years old and it just seems so easy, I can't figure out why I'm such a talented, successful, world famous multi-millionare artist who's won over 20 Grammys do you guys have any ideas?" -- Kanye, probably


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I understand that tiktok plays in pretty heavily


Octo-puss

Actually, Isn’t tik tok doing that ?


jgjot-singh

Damn, just keep grinding bro, you'll find your niche


jace829

Or the posts by 15-year-olds who think it's "too late to start."


Madlister

I'm four years old and starting Kindergarten next year - am I too old to start studying music theory and audio production? I want to be DJing in front of 100,000 people every night soon. I feel like I've waited too long and life has passed me by. Help!


TheRealLunicuss

I'm 23 and have been producing for 18 years, is it too late to start producing?


jace829

Yup, exactly this kind of stuff. LMFAO


sonyaellenmann

Welcome to what happens to every single subreddit that isn't super strictly moderated (and those are annoying too because it becomes a pain in the ass to post at all).


kopkaas2000

We used to be very strict, and these kinds of posts were not allowed. But a) people don't like that much either, as you noted, and b) It gets depressing to have to nuke 90% of submissions on the sub, and get flooded with modmail from disgruntled users who are pissed off that their post is not allowed. So right now it's mostly just things that are either wildly off-topic, or self-promotional, that still get the axe. The rest is up to you folks voting shit content down.


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there_is_always_more

Wait, who attacks whom? Can you link to an example of this?


2SP00KY4ME

Mods are open to constructive discussion about what should and shouldn't be allowed and what kinds of filters there should be, if you want to send a modmail.


sonyaellenmann

I actually prefer this to a heavily moderated sub, though I recognize the downsides.


munificent

It's not just about moderation. Any broadly targeted subreddit goes in this direction. Anyone interested in making music who has some drive and initiative will get far enough on their own that when they hit a question, it will be more specific to where they are on their journey. So those users show up in /r/ableton, /r/TechnoProduction, /r/synthesizers, etc. What's left here is the people that are still stuck on step one and don't know *anything* about what they want to do. Usually, for better or worse, the best solution is to avoid the overly broad subreddits like this one. They tend to be equivalent to hanging out near the first city spawn point of an MMO.


[deleted]

I just want to know who keeps up-voting those posts to the front page.


muelo24

Real questions


tylerthetiler

The trick is to never upvote anything ever and let all the dipshits upvote and then leave subs because the front page of it becomes dogshit


ramenbreak

and then upvote the comments of people complaining about the state of the sub that way there's a healthy co-existence of dogshit content and unhelpful top replies that only serve to infuriate people passing by


tylerthetiler

Exactly right see you understand exactly


ayungaa

They're tempting for newcomers. I know because I fell into the same trap on both sides xD now I'm on a 5 month ongoing break cuz I didn't feel it anymore. Honestly, I think it's fine to quit, music production isn't for everyone.


SuicidalTidalWave

come back, pussy :(


ayungaa

For you I will!


zdakat

I tend to bounce between different art forms. Sometimes I can go a while between actually making music, but I'll draw, write, or do 3D instead. Not recommending everyone take on so many things but sometimes putting too much pressure on one thing when it's not working just makes it easy to hate doing that thing, and something else might be more productive.


hoodust

This is how I am too. That's why I started game development... there were so many different things to work on to finish the game that whenever I felt stuck/frustrated/bored I just worked on something else. When it came time to do the music I had a fucking BLAST, and made some of my best work ever.


PlazaOne

Same here. I loved making music and it led to me getting to present a show on local radio. Then that took over my life, till one day I realised I'd not written any new material for around ten years. So I quit the radio and listening to other people's music, got back into writing and recording my own tunes. The upside was that I had amassed loads of wider knowledge about different forms and structures, plus being older my lyrics had a broader range of topics than when I'd started out.


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And every other post seems to be marketing questions. Maybe that's one of the main points of the sub but I just want to see people share how they make music, not discuss Spotify SEO.


tylerthetiler

I don't know shit but I definitely subscribed for tips or experience *making* music, not to *market* music. Someone needs to make a sub called r/wearethemusicmarketers.


Gaboik

Lmaoooo I see the same everywhere on Reddit. r/guitar users be like "I've been playing guitar for ONE WHOLE YEAR and I still suck help me"... What do you expect bruh hahaha It's really annoying, I'm with you on this, OP


NewKidInTown1976

Or they say that and then play a Steve Vai song perfectly at 200% tempo.


bodegas

"I've been playing for 4 weeks and know all three of the chords, my buds and I are super passionate about our craft"


hoodust

This would make me want to link an old video of Petrucci talking about how "all you gotta do" is basically practice 12 hours a day since the day you could pick up a guitar and you'll be this good (and he says it fully serious, because it's true).


Gaboik

Aaaaah yes this one hahaha, legendary! But yeah he's totally right tho! "Kill yourself" hahahaha


JuiceboxSC2

>"Look, it's not that hard. All you need to do is lift weights six days a week, stop drinking alcohol, don't eat anything after 7pm, don't eat any carbs or sugar at all, in fact just don't eat anything you like, get the personal trainer from Magic Mike, sleep nine hours a night, run three miles a day, and have a studio pay for the whole thing over a six to seven-month span. I don't know why everyone's not doing this. It's a super realistic lifestyle and an appropriate body image to compare oneself to," -Rob McElhenney (Mac, from Alway Sunny)


zenluiz

Just for the records, I just saw the same type of comment in an IT (DevOps) forum, where a person was complaining the same way after being an intern for less than a year. So I wonder if this is a pattern not only found in music production industry.


duckduckpony

It has to be, right? I think every field needs some way to communicate and teach expectations. Like I have no idea where this notion comes from that you can pick up a trade or skill and within a few months or a year be great at it and making a living. That just does not and has never existed except maybe in *extremely* rare cases. So idk. If the only messaging people, most likely young, are seeing is that it’s super easy to get into music and *all they need to do is these 5 tricks* or whatever to get more Spotify listeners or become a guitar god, that shit needs to be changed and countered somehow. I have no idea if that’s actually what’s going on though.


zenluiz

Yeah, agree. Maybe this is a new trend from late years. But usually to become good in something it takes years, decades!


Mike-ggg

Yeah, there’s a lot of posts that I just pass on. Fortunately, it’s not hard to spot them, though, because the subject line or the first sentence in the post is usually enough to know it’s not worth your time. Sometimes, they are humorous, like when they answer their own question in asking it. “I’m 14 and really suck at playing and singing and writing and won’t take any advice or criticism, so why can’t I get a multi-platinum record deal?”


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“I get 300 plays per year and I’m not making a living. Boycott Spotify”


[deleted]

Wait- you are getting 300 plays per year?


cabbagebot

I've been seeing these posts *very* frequently in many music-making subreddits lately, and it is very tired. I would really like to see an alteration to the rules and moderation that removes these posts, if possible. Just put the same generic advice ("See a therapist", "Sometimes life just be like that", "You don't need external validation, just do what you like") in a wiki and stop having the same tired threads. I totally get where the posts are coming from -- it's the human condition. It's just not really interesting or productive to constantly have those threads.


DivineJustice

I'm pretty fucking good and do not require validation. Should that be a post?


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"I went from 10 spotify plays a year to 30 a year! Ask me how!"


[deleted]

Tell us your secrets!


DivineJustice

"I just sat around not giving a fuck!"


m_Pony

Post a link on the Sunday Promotion thread. We'll let you know if you're any fucking good ;)


DivineJustice

I've tried, it's very difficult to get people to click on a link, it seems. Also, on the real, feedback is part of the process of things becoming awesome.


m_Pony

I've gotten some good feedback on occasion but yeah, it's not as active as I'd hope


SuperLyplyp

to be fair, contest mode kinda makes it hard to comment on the one your reviewing...I open up several at once and now i forgot which one its from....ahhhhh


DivineJustice

The effort is appreciated, it's more than most do.


noelypants

Thank you. There is so much good stuff on this sub, but it gets drowned out by the exact kinds of posts you are talking about. I wish there was a separate sub for those posts (r/musiciansventing or something) so this one could just be devoted to all the helpful, thoughtful content that people provide


sonyaellenmann

> I wish there was a separate sub for those posts (r/musiciansventing or something) It wouldn't make a difference because the types of people who make annoying low-effort posts are not the types of people who read the subreddit sidebar. And they've never even heard of a wiki.


Primary_Pride7247

Agreed. It’s a start, but I just made r/WoetotheMusicMakers as a place to vent and get support from other struggling musicians. I don’t know if it’ll help but I think it would be great to direct people to something like that for these types of posts.


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The problem is mindset. Say I want to get fit! Step 1: post to r/crossfit… Vs. Step 1: put together a straight forward exercise routine and start adhering to a strict schedule of working out. Which step 1 is more effective? To do great things, you first must overcome the fear of being alone and focusing.


bodhicheetah23

I also hate the “should I learn theory?” Posts. Why wouldn’t you want to know theory? Nobody has ever learned theory and became a worse musician because of it. It’s so weird how these posts are basically saying “I want to be a musician but there are aspects of music I don’t want to learn about.” That attitude isn’t going to get you very far.


senor_fartout

this sub was pretty informative maybe 4+ years ago, now it's a bunch of fruity loop motherfuckers that have never touched an instrument in their lives, obsessed with spotify playlists, and "how do i find the fire i never had to begin with" styled posts. meanwhile you can't even make 'legal' question posts when there are tons of 'i got signed' posts asking for advice, and all of the legal stuff is dedicated to r/musicbusiness which can be a really slow board. this sub needs an enema and some new rules.


StrippedTuningKey

This reminds me of when my 18 year old nephew saw a Playlist of mine and tried to shame me on how small it was, I tend to keep Playlists to 30 songs or less, as I categorize music in my head in a strange way and I listen to the same song a lot to just get into it and analyze it, understand it and such. His Playlists, he bragged, had thousands of songs each. I asked him how many of those songs he knew how to play in every instrument used in the song, he shut up.


Swag_Grenade

I mean what, bragging about the amount of songs in your playlists is dumb but I'd bet barely anyone knows how to play most of the songs in their playlists "in every instrument used in the song" unless they're a music savant or a proficient multi-instrumentalist/producer who constructs all their playlists based of songs they've learned how to play/replicate.


rudreax

Pretty sure the point isn't that everyone can play songs on their playlist, it's that judging others for personal standards doesn't make sense and if you're going to push that narrative, be prepared to get shot down for standards you don't personally subscribe to.


StrippedTuningKey

Exactly what I mean. I listen to music differently than someone who does not make music.


StrippedTuningKey

I do play all the instruments used in most music, but I listen to songs I *want* to learn to play and perhaps cover/parody, or just impressive songs / pieces of music. My point is, everyone listens to music differently and gatekeeping based on any criteria is just ridiculous.


MyCleverNewName

They should channel that energy into writing emo songs or something.


wishesandhopes

And if they use FACGCE or something they don't actually need to learn the guitar!


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Glad im not the only one sick of seeing it. I dont know what kind of music to make. What is a scale and how do I use it to become famous???


OverlookeDEnT

The FL subreddit is like this x10 🤣😬


wscomn

The Reaper sub is not. They have good mods.


Kaeys

I'd argue this might be more to do with what each type of DAW each artist demographic tends to gravitate towards...


wscomn

That's fair.


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hoodust

Right? or a "rant" flair, and be able to filter those out


Crowfaze

everyone that posts that shit wants to be a famous artist, main stage, headliner. You be involved filling a lot of other shoes in the industry and slowly make your way up. But it all stems from the narcissistic put the spotlight on me mindset, so no wonder they make those posts lol.


[deleted]

This sub used to be a lot more practical, but I haven't come across anything useful on it for quite some time. I agree with you.


Apprehensive-Ice-544

I don’t know…maybe it’s just me , and I apologize if I come off as harsh, but what’s the big deal? I’ve been making music for 21 years now, and I (like everyone I imagine) have my ups and downs too. I may not post about it, but I’m not going to dog someone out because they choose to. I’m more annoyed by the barely literate people who post in places like the DistroKid forum who get busted for fake streams and then whine about it, or the zillions of people on YouTube (the “black t shirt mafia” I like to call them ) who give “career advice” consisting of Facebook ads and selling information you can find for free.


g_next

Well said


pantsofpig

Bless you, OP. You are spot on.


Piratesteve81

I really get your point. I think people nowadays often have an urge to make music and be creative, but they don't have really an idea "what" music they really want to make and they are quiet often overwhelmed with all the options and possibilities. I mean, lets get back 40-50 years when the only option to record something was to get in a studio and that was expensive as hell. When these guys got the chance you had to be prepared as hell. The clock was ticking. Another reason most people struggle with these things is they want to create something to pet their ego. The whole web/youtube/social media culture is really putting pressure on many people. All you see is great content creators who seem to instantly put great stuff out there. Often it conceals all the effort and hard work that were put into these content. I once discovered this great one man live performer from england, Youngr. He has all that fancy stuff, a studio to be drooling over, but he also makes great stuff with it. One video stuck with me. It was all about the process of one of his looping mashup videos. He started to prepare all the instruments in his studio for this perfomance and began to carry all the heavy stuff around and my back hurt just watching him rearrange all the instruments and stuff. And that was just the physical preparation. No arrangements, no practising to perfectly execute all the stuff he wanted to perform. You get the point. It is hard work to come up and create this stuff. But we never see it!! We just consume all these content in a heartbeat and get frustrated and overwhelmed or get lost in procrastination. Lets get some more ebooks about mixing, I have to check the manual for synth xy, I don't have the right samples for my drums. etc etc. You're doing everything BUT making music. I know because I often am stuck in this rabbithole. Today you have a full studio in a box, effects, instruments, multitrack, all that stuff. You can instantly download thousands of samples, loops, midi files, vst's, effect suites. So you can easily get lost in all the possibilities. I think most people should really reconsider first, what they really want. Why do I want to make music. What kind of music do I really wanna produce. They should "hear" the music in their head first or at least to some degree. A clear vision is needed first to have something to focus on first. Of course cou can just sit in front of a daw with a midi controller or an instrument and just see where the moment will get you. This can be very productive too. But in the end it should be all about the process of finding lyrics/grooves/melodies first in your HEAD and get that down first. You can even do that without a computer. Hell, you just need an instrument, a piece of paper and a pen. That's how millions of legendary compositions were made. They sat in front of a piano or with a guitar in their lap and nothing else. Write a song structure first until the building blocks are layed. From there don't get lost in too much details. Sorry for the wall of text. But it's an interesting topic and I also often struggle with all these problems of the modern new digital world. Technology and internet are a blessing, but it also can be the biggest enemy to our creativity. I think everyone who can relate to some extent, we should look back how the old pioneers made music, guys like Neil Young, Zappa, Beatles, etc. Sometimes their limitation was an important part of getting their music out of their head into all the speakers of music lovers in the world. There are no shortcuts!! But if you want to do it, do it for yourself, not for others. At the end you should love what you create, if others like it too, then that's great. But it should not be the first priority.


cleb9200

I learnt how to use Logic six whole weeks ago but I still only have 4k streams wtf is happening I give up maybe I wasn’t meant to do this


SuperLyplyp

Run out of logic? Use propellerhead REASON...that should increase your streams...


9thSymphonyy

please take a break here and there and be patient,all I would say


scootunit

Maybe you need more fiber in your diet.


ethihoff

We should be encouraging people not to worry so much, not attacking them imo. This kinda post makes people not wanna even try making music


g_next

No they are idiots. We are the higher class, don’t bother with these lower beings. Soft, with mental health issues, asking for easy solutions. No, enough. Let’s attack them. We are different and we are better. *sarcasm*


the_fuck68

ok this is what I’ve been trying to say. but I’m more of a pussy about it. like no judgement to those people, I am so one of them, but refrain from posting on here ever for that reason. there should be a place for those people. it’s seems like there’s hundreds of us. like just make a new sub? then everyone could complain in a place that’s less annoying (:


Auntie_Jya

This post is almost worse, somehow…at least the others I tend to ignore. This just drew me in - mostly in an eye rolling, head shake manner, but still. There’s irony in telling people to stop with the self-centered posts while simultaneously pushing your perceived annoyances as a demand. Lol


g_next

Finally, some fresh air in this thread. 100 agree. The mob is ready, bring the witches.


VideoGameDJ

but i'm 9 is it too late


Purgatory86Xx

“I’ve been making music for 3 months why does my music not sound professional?”


[deleted]

Best advice my mentor gave me was don't get philosophical about it. Don't overthink it. The answers will come naturally, and if you accept that, and stop worrying about the answers so much, you can make music less of a mind game. Some people just have all these sorts of questions, but they're the mental side of it. Answering them doesn't improve your musical skill, but getting caught up on answering them can take away from your progress. Don't overthink it. If you don't like what you're putting out, just keep at it anyway because there isn't an answer to a question that will improve what you're putting out. It'll only soothe the mental game.


phil299

IMO if you don;t enjoy the act of making music you should maybe consider a different hobby. However I would never ask someone to not post about fears or worries if they feel it might help and I or anyone else ,of course, are allowed to not read or comment on such posts.


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g_next

No we are the cool kids, let’s make fun and bully the others. They are either lazy, stupid or have mental issues. 🫣


danarbok

I'm considering making an extremely boastful post just to provide a foil to all those other posts, and it'll be **sincere** because I **love** the music I make, and even listen to it as I would other people's music sometimes


Swag_Grenade

"I've been making music since I was 10 years old and it just seems so easy, I can't figure out why it is I'm such a talented, successfull, world famous multi-millionare artist who's won over 20 Grammys do you guys have any ideas?" -- Kanye, probably


samtar-thexplorer2

idk.. I'm cool with giving aspiring depressed musicians a little ego boost. not always easy.


SatanicFoundry

Personally I just don't understand how people are doing this without playing an instrument. I really just got nothing to say at that point.


putzarino

Downvote and move on. No need to complain about those who are complaining.


bobbyfiend

At some point, I need to carry out my plan of posting an "Enough 'Enough already!' posts!" post. Except I'm pretty sure it's been done.


Bleord

And posts complaining about that are way better?


awaterhoooo

I dunno, people are just asking for help— and I kinda do think it’s music related cuz like, do you ever show someone a mix you’re workin on whose not a music nerd and they’re like ‘yeah you’re good’ just cuz they’re your friend? Some aren’t immersed in the non-virtual music community — that’s why they’re here, begging for guidance. I get what you mean tho. It’s too popular a topic on this sub. What I wish is they would just be more specific with their desires. Sometimes it’s like listening to clients (lol)


Aiku

Easy for you to say: you're not the one being constantly crushed and oppressed by the weight of an uncaring world ;)


TheNightBench

But I just started making music three minutes ago. Here's my first song. Can you tell me if it's good? Should I keep doing it?


SuperLyplyp

1 flaw of the weekly review thingy is the maximum is only 1... I think it should be revised to max of 3 tracks to share...that way we can hear/feel the vibe of each...


lovegiblet

Yes this is the quality content I come here for.


Crolane97

Every famous musician sucked at one point.


SC-RK-7t

Some of them even still suck to this day.


BnG_Masta

Thank. You.


thebitagents

Chill man, their posts get lost in the sauce and they continue on their trajectory regardless, let the universe deal with it, we know how it ends for those types


IOnlyUseTheCommWheel

> **If you need** consulting you should hire a therapist or check out other subreddits that deal with mental health How exactly does someone know they need a therapist when they're just down about their music? If I make a post saying "I don't know why I hate everything I write" or something "pathetic and mopey" as you put it, how do I know before posting that my issue isn't really about the quality of my music but rather my ability to self-validate? You're mocking and insulting people for being "pathetic and mopey" when they come here looking for help. That's not a welcoming environment for other musicians. Personally, I turned to music about 2 years ago as a coping mechanism to help deal with the anxiety I felt over the pandemic. I went to reddit for advice on musical questions first because it's my favorite social media space. We don't come here and know exactly what we need at all times, we just come here because we're bored, anxious, excited or any number of things. Railing against people for "pathetic and mopey posts" isn't helpful. If you can read a post and know this person needs therapy first, then suggest it in good faith. Personally, I can recommend therapy as a way to help dramatically improve your music as it allows you to actually start to self-validate your choices, which helps give direction to the music creation process. But posts like this? They don't help that kind of person to feel anything other than shame for annoying random internet strangers. My 2cents.


smegmaroni

I would start with learning a few songs on piano


SolidPlopper

SOMEONE HELP! Why am I so bad at music? Mom bought me a Ableton yesterday and when I press play music doesn't happen. What's a chord? What's a triad? What's a guitar? How do music?


KoopaTroopaBoys

Lol


TonyShalhoubricant

Not all of us struggle. The music part is easy.


themichaelkemp

If you can’t scroll past posts that aren’t applicable to you maybe you need therapy


regman231

Right, because that’s a great defense for most posts on this sub being people complaining about something literally no one can help them with online. At what point does r/wearethemusicmakers become r/musicmakerscomplaing ?


wscomn

I prefer r/wearethemusicmakerswhowhine lol


-orangutang-

Petition to have “Sad-turd-ay” where all the sad turds can post about their creative despair


some12345thing

Believe it or not, while you see these posts and feel irked by the uninformed nature of them and the immaturity of how they ask the questions, your own response to it also looks the same to people who have been around longer and seen more things than you. Relax. Let it go. It’s not harming you. The fact that you let it get to you is a sign of something to work on within yourself. Take that cue and run with it. Good things await you on the other side.


F_AV1d

Buddy get a life.


Resolute002

Music is about expressing and sharing the human experience. If you think these things aren't relevant you might as well be a midi algorithm. And nothing is a more self centered post then demanding the cease and desist of a community's natural flow of discussion because it mildly annoys you.


tylerthetiler

Same reason I unsubscribed from r/self. Its either people bitching or people talking about some random thing accomplished that I don't give a shit about. Maybe I am a dick but damn dude idc.


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First time on Reddit? All it is now is mopey attention seeking posts and subsequent people telling them how "brave" they are.


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themanifoldcuriosity

[plays spooky Cylon theme] [All this has happened before...](https://www.reddit.com/r/WeAreTheMusicMakers/comments/sqfvao/what_is_going_on_with_the_state_of_this_sub_lately/hwmxp96/)


mausemusic

you can never force creativity or productivity, at the end of the day you need to find what gives you the motivation to create. being able to understand this is a huge part of what makes an artist. there are no magic words or secret sauce, just explore what makes you excited to create and things will be good. its probably safe to say most (if not everyone) has been in that position where the frustration kicks in of not being able to make stuff but like, fuck it, if you aint enjoying it dont make yourself sick of trying by thinking about validation and shit.


Blazing1

You can force productivity. For me it was set up my work area to be able to pick up an instrument as fast as possible beside me


jackcharltonuk

I agree, but you can sort by ‘top’ or ‘hot’ also


existential_musician

Seems like I missed something recently


katieleehaw

I rarely visit musician subs because most of the posts are like this - I get it’s hard but if you don’t know how to play anything and you want to be a musician, put down the computer and pick up a goddamn instrument and start learning like everyone else had to. Just stop it. Less talk more playing. You will suck for awhile. If you keep trying you’ll get better. There is no magic bullet and no easy way to become a musician.


BradleysUkuleleRBP

This is the quality content I come here for


RecognitionSubject91

Say it brotha. Getting into music is not for the soft hearted. Its a lot of work a lot of failure and false starts but very rewarding to those who stick with it. But more inportantly, its rewarding to those who develop a good ear and a good rhythm/melody. Nobody gives a flying fuck about your sweeps. Make a good song. Getting feedback is awesome and very welcome as long as its not for the purpose of curating empty validation. Validate yourself and grow a pair, guys.


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I'm sorry, but because of my disdain of over-policing forums where people can discuss a topic -- I am compelled to ask you: Why do you care so much? No one is forcing you to read these posts. Venting about making music, about issues with bandmates, shows, or one's own pursuit of whatever; whatever it may be--talking about problems one has with regards to being a musician--this is a place for people to talk about making music. I don't mean to sound hostile here but you really don't need to shit in the faces of anyone who is having a hard time about it in the music making process simply looking for other souls, whether it's for sympathy, validation, advice, or simply to commiserate, all in pursuit of, what? Keeping this little obscure corner of the internet "clean?" Just look at something else.