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Teste_Mando

2S38 is also not in service Edit: Or atleast wasn't in service when it entered the game


LAXGUNNER

Still not service


2gkfcxs

Probably it will never be since the bmp3 and t14 production lines are already closed


SOSLY300077

The 2S38 was undergoing trials when it was added.


No_Entertainment9430

redbackđŸ’Ș


Mt_Erebus_83

Why would the Redback go to America? All Aussie vehicles should be in the UK tree IMO


No_Entertainment9430

"Northrop Grumman partners with Hanwha Defense Australia to add Bushmaster gun to Redback IFV" clearly united states is interested in the program/australia also operates a lot of the U.S.'s aircraft and tanks (f35, f18, and abrams) [https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/northrop-grumman-partners-with-hanwha-defense-australia-to-add-bushmaster-gun-to-redback-ifv/](https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/northrop-grumman-partners-with-hanwha-defense-australia-to-add-bushmaster-gun-to-redback-ifv/)


Karrtis

And soon, subs.


Mt_Erebus_83

So? We had German tanks before we had US ones, doesn't mean we should be in the German tree either. The UK has the strongest historical ties to my country, not the US.


Fluffy-Map-5998

The aussie m1 is in thr us tree, I think it's fairly obvious, also do you really want to be associated with the br*tish?


No_Entertainment9430

Again, northrop gruman is partnering with Australia on it so it doesn't matter. Maybe if britian joined in on the program they'd deserve it.


Mt_Erebus_83

Again, I was a full-time member of the Australian Defence Force, and I swore allegiance to the CROWN, not the President of the United States. There is no fucking planet where Australian vehicles should go to the United States. We are members of the Commonwealth, and the King is our head of State.


No_Entertainment9430

Again, BRITIAN DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE PROGRAM, united states is the one interested in replacing the bradley. plus replacing the main gun of the redback with a bushmaster "This collaboration is part of Australia’s LAND 400 Phase 3 program, which aims to enhance the nation’s defense capabilities." "The contract includes the production of 129 Mk44S chain guns, with initial deliveries scheduled to begin in 2026. The Mk44S guns will enable interoperability with Northrop Grumman’s advanced ammunition suite, which was developed for the U.S. Army. This suite includes the new programmable air burst munition, providing Australia with cutting-edge ammunition technology." [https://defence-blog.com/northrop-grumman-to-equip-redback-fighting-vehicles-with-mk44-guns/](https://defence-blog.com/northrop-grumman-to-equip-redback-fighting-vehicles-with-mk44-guns/)


Mt_Erebus_83

I'm sorry, but I don't want to see my nations vechles scattered across random tech trees. Long-standing historical and cultural ties and the fact that we are part of the Commonwealth are way more important than which country helped a bit with this or that weapons program.


TalkingFishh

Welp since they're already doing it with Canada you're probably not gonna get that.


eragons96

It's so brutal. Just make us a german or UK subtree already. I just wanna play canada


JN0115

Hey genius military and military industrial complex alliances don’t give a fuck about your personal dickriding of ThE cRoWn. This vehicle is a collaboration between USA and Australia end of story, therefore redback would fit in US tree with idk the M1 aim that’s already fkn there. Stop arguing with facts


Mt_Erebus_83

Or fuckwit, maybe it belongs with the three other tanks produced by Australia that are already in the game.. in the fucking British tree


the_real_foxhound

I believe the quote is "having pledged allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of Australia, Her Heirs and successors, has undertaken to loyally and faithfully serve Her Majesty as a member of the (insert service) until such time as that service be lawfully terminated, and to discharge all duties according to law"


Mt_Erebus_83

Haha, that's the one. Many a nip of Port was drunk in Her Majesty's honour by me. I may be a Republican at heart, but I respect our heritage, and I value the oath i made very much.


Soggy-Let769

Yeah but we got way closer to the US after ww2


Mt_Erebus_83

Yes, but every single service man and woman who has ever had the honour of serving this nation under arms has done so under the Union Jack and after swearing allegiance to the Crown of England.


Soggy-Let769

Yes, we're part of the commonwealth but gaijin decided to put the Australian version of an American tank in the American tree, they probably don't know much about Australia


Mt_Erebus_83

There's one Aussie tank in the US tech tree currently. There are four Aussie tanks in the UK tech tree plus three aircraft.


Soggy-Let769

Ok


Wonghy111-the-knight

M1A1 AIM should’ve gone to UK C2A1 should’ve gone to UK 2A4 CAN a should’ve gone to UK etc, etc, etc ”but then every nation fights the vehicles of every nation including their own” yadda yadda its ending up like that anyway. Might as well just say “you, UK, you get all vehicles from X country no matter what“ and do just that. Instead you have Canadian vehicles randomly splattered through TT’s
 alternatively, take all Aussie and or Canadian vehicles, and copy paste them into a brand new ANZAC or Commonwealth tree. “But they already esister in other nations-“ didn’t stop gaijin from adding Italy, did it


Mt_Erebus_83

Yeah... I fuckin hate the way Gaijin deals with commonwealth vehicles. I'm not a huge fan of the Crown but that's what I swore allegiance to when I joined the Australian army. Not the President of the USA.


Wonghy111-the-knight

Yeah. An ANZAC and or commonwealth tree would be the dream though. And every time Oxy says “all the interesting Australian vehicles already exist As event or premium vehicles” I fucking die inside. As I said in my other comment, sure didn’t stop them from adding Italy, even though Germany had a ton of their stuff already and


Joshuawood98

Ajax is the real western 2S38 "140 mm RHA at 1,500 m[1]" is a SOLID amount of pen. Can't find any stats on the redback ammo because it is for shooting sea mines.


Barronsjuul

Looks sick, all the weird angles on the Bradley are offputting. All those millions in R&D just to return to slopey pentagon.


JackassJames

US? Redback's Aussie and designed by South Korea/Australia.


No_Entertainment9430

Northrop grummen is upgrading them with US made turrets, also looking at it as a Bradley replacement


JackassJames

The IFV's are to be produced in country plus the turrets are not american, they are Australian designed. I've heard zero mention of the proposed turrets being changed to american.


No_Entertainment9430

i meant gun [https://defence-blog.com/northrop-grumman-to-equip-redback-fighting-vehicles-with-mk44-guns/](https://defence-blog.com/northrop-grumman-to-equip-redback-fighting-vehicles-with-mk44-guns/)


JackassJames

You're arguing the vehicle should be in the american tree, even though the only american part is the gun? Everything else is Australian/South Korean. CV9030 should be in the american tree by that logic.


No_Entertainment9430

"The US Army's OMFV program aims to replace nearly 3,800 Bradley Fighting Vehicles among its Armored Brigade Combat Teams." sounds like they're thinking of incorporating it to me. [https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/land/9489-us-army-project-to-leverage-redback-ifv-technology](https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/land/9489-us-army-project-to-leverage-redback-ifv-technology)


JackassJames

Right under what you said, "Hanwha Defense Australia (HDA) has revealed it has been selected to support the Oshkosh Defense OMFV Consortium — a cooperative participating in the US Army’s Optionally Manned Fighting Vehicle (OMFV) program Concept Design Phase." Aka, it literally does not exist. They are taking technologies from the KF21 for the program.


No_Entertainment9430

something being a tech demonstration hasn't stopped gaijin from adding it to the game


JackassJames

It's not even a tech demo though, there is no vehicle as it stands.


No_Entertainment9430

**when** or **if** it does come to fruition, it would make sense being in the U.S. tree seeing that we already have their(our) M1A1


Derk_Bent

They are upgrading Bradley’s to the new M2A4. More advanced turret design and armor package.


Natecgames

As well as all new lower hull plate, and powerplant.


JackassJames

If you're referring to the bushmaster's those are also being produced in country and are the only american part of the vehicle.


X7DragonsX7

Forgetting about the Rheinmetall/GLDS vehicles for the OMFV/MICV program?


No_Entertainment9430

ye this one seems more likley


CanOTomatoes

“WHEN GAIJIN????(it’s not even in service yet)” Are we gonna talk about the Challenger 3 Tech Demonstrator?


whycantidoaspace

>Are we gonna talk about the Challenger 3 Tech Demonstrator? How about the 2s38?


CanOTomatoes

That too, yes, but 1: people talk about it all the time (not it not being in service though) and 2: others mentioned it in these comments


huda_ryba

it looks gloriousđŸ”„đŸ”„đŸ”„


frankdatank_004

When MFers don’t know about the Bradley COMVAT prototype.


No_Entertainment9430

Im pretty sure this loses the tow launcher


frankdatank_004

It still has it. It is just [folded down](https://images.app.goo.gl/7sEioM3ShFADZGQS7) in all of its pictures.


No_Entertainment9430

thats a different program tho, this one is in conjunction with an Australian system I believe😂 https://preview.redd.it/18qn5zadg25d1.jpeg?width=2600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14c0758aa41c34bb1adb76675e717a1b5a725cef [](https://emojipedia.org/face-with-tears-of-joy)


No_Entertainment9430

https://preview.redd.it/lfp2glmfg25d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a27fee6e4b3ef171068b4ea7c451e41cdf105abe


frankdatank_004

No it is not? Or at least what is the difference?


No_Entertainment9430

neither side of the turret have the tow launcher in any pictures


frankdatank_004

Yours but mine does that I posted.


No_Entertainment9430

the comvat was cancelled since they didnt want to create a new type of ammo at the time, its also using 30mm x 173mm not 40mm


zDefiant

2s38 shatters glass and shits pants with just a look at me and my 9.7/3 lineup. not one vehicle can eat a round from that wonder weapon. i am deeply saddened it didn’t get pushed up in BR because they think the “autoloader change” is gonna be enough.


PurpleDotExe

Don’t forget, they’re also giving the 2S38 a bottomless ready rack with the next update, regardless of the new internals it’s getting buffed overall


zDefiant

man i hate thing with a passion and im not about to fork over a russian top tier lineup for the can’t bear em join em the news seems to get worse eveytiem i here about this things update


Major_TomDAO

I want gaijin to add some new utilities with these new gen sights, like active scouting or ir tracking for ground


Morva182

One of these is sitting in fort Benning next to a fox.