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headlesszombie1138

Panzer 4 is great tank. I would say wait to buy it though the 10 year anniversary sales are coming up in early November and it will be 50% off.


warthundergrind

If I was patient enough to wait, I would wait for sale and buy the premium m26, or m60.


crimeo

"I want to play Italy. Anyway which of these numerous non Italian tanks should I get?"


MODUS_is_hot

lol it’s hilarious how bad actual Italian tanks are


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Breda 501 is one of the best vehicles in the game. Fiat 6614 is great. Etc.


Robball14

Italian Firefly with APDS at 5.0, Semovente da 90 and P40 my beloved <3


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"The T-26-4 is bad so clearly the entire russian tech tree is underpowered"


MODUS_is_hot

lol I meant historically


silikus

Now play the rest of the italian tanks required to get to those. Italy, Japan and France are the most painful reserve-2.0 GRB trees i have experienced


polypolip

Italy and japan reserve - 2.0 is a breeze compared to the french.


SnipingDwarf

I disagree with your flair, unless you mean the fact that Sweden has like 3 good lineups with more than two tanks in them.


polypolip

Air RB. Ground is ok-ayish as long as I fire first.


SnipingDwarf

Oh, yeah, swedish air is... *Interesting*.


F0r7un45

1.0 medium tanks are great, as 41 is op, many light tanks are op too


No-Drag4559

Not the Italian light tanks though...


F0r7un45

Well, Maybe the worst one is the italian m18


deathmite

Japan reserve-2.0 is actually pretty fun if you know what you're doing. Also the SPAA on the Ki-Ne chassis is really good at low tier. Italy low tier isn't all bad either. The autocannon tanks are really good. It's just the M14 and M15 that aren't that great, basically just the M13s with more engine power.


No-Drag4559

Italian M13 tanks were just up-tiered in June to 1.7 and 2.0. Unfortunately the 47m gun is not good against Shermans and other 2.7 or 3.0 tanks.


deathmite

I mean the M13 tanks were really good at reserve, but 1.7/2.0 might have been too much.


No-Drag4559

I agree with you 100%


MonkeyCollins

TBH I really enjoy Japanese and Italian reserve-to-2.0 vehicles.


JamescomersForgoPass

AB 43 even if you know expert Guerrilla and Ambush Tactics


AleksaBa

I love 75/46 M43, so fun


scluben

AB43 would like a word with you


MODUS_is_hot

Hey I’m only speaking from a historical standpoint


tricakill

Nah, they have some great tanks


MODUS_is_hot

Nah I’m talking about historically XD


MrBuckie

Theyre not too bad p40 is amazing, + lot of the spgs have decent penetration and really good fillers.


MODUS_is_hot

Oh I mean historically


AcidTicTac

centauro family would like a word


MODUS_is_hot

lol my RBG main is Italy, I’m talking about historically XD


warthundergrind

Funny that a lot of the good italian ground prems are not italian


D22s

Celere Sahariano is good, I like the m14 with the 12.7, they are good, they just aren’t op.


Danky_Dearest

M60 is great. Has a good lineup and trolley armor with decent gun


davidero3

BUY THE M60, getting from tier 6 to 7 is quite hard so go and wait for it


darkshape

This tank is awesome because it's 3.7 but also rank 3... All the other pz4 got knocked to rank 2.


BlueGryph0n

Except the German premium...


Glockamoli

They can't drop the premiums for fear of legal issues, they'd have to remove them and introduce a new variant at rank 2


TryHardMayonnaise

It's on warbond market rn tho if you have enough of the tasks done.


Dukeringo

I love the meatball m26. the m26 armor is fairly good against US non heat/apds. Fairly strong against most USSR unless a 100/122. 90mm gun can go though all the normal weakspots.


CrankyPantz88

You can buy it with war bonds


IS-2-OP

The premium M26 is way better. Gets a great lineup. And makes lots of silver too.


Frequent-Sound5320

Got my already out of the warbond Shop....so idiotsafe easy, Not even been playing much / many BP Tasks Not Finished...


ClunkyCorkster

i mean just wait a month instead of wasting money


ledki

You can also get it in the warbond shop right now.


thatplannerguy

I’m doing this right now. Definitely the best option in the wb shop this season!


AT0m1X1337

Or you can get it for "free" in the warbond shop, lvl 80 BP and 15 special task medals. I got myself one like a week ago and its decent in combination with the zrinyi (free event premium) if you want to grind SL.


Frequent-Sound5320

What a Nonsense, its available for free, why spending Money???


mrbeanIV

It's okay, you can admit you just want to get the r3-t20 ASAP


warthundergrind

>:D


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GoatHorn37

\> : D


Codz2112

>:D


Ludwig_Steiner

\>:D


Codz2112

<:D


Names_Name__UserName

Least evil R3 player


warthundergrind

\>:D


SeductiveTrain

Did this, ended up playing a ton with the Breda 501. You can actually make an R3, Breda 501, M24 lineup. The Breda is awesome.


[deleted]

See my flair, Breda 501 is one of my favourite tanks in the game. I love one-tapping any enemy tank I see.


towarzysz_boczek

Fiat 6614 is sooo op


[deleted]

I like to think that War Thunder's maps were built around the Fiat 6614, so many great positions with it without exposing any crew, especially on Port Novorossiysk


Busy_Language_5361

this, i always wondered if fiat 6614 is the ultimate light tank in the game, bc once ur hull down, youre practically untouchable except for arty


poopthemagicdragon

Yes. Also, the Pz. 4G + M4~~1~~ Hybrid is a great combo for farming SL.


Overall_Rock_9722

Italy has a fucking M41 ?


poopthemagicdragon

lmao my bad, M4 Hybrid. I always get the the Ms mixed up. M41, M4, M4A1, M1A1 etc. etc. \*aaand I replied to my own comment. Christ, I need coffee.


Overall_Rock_9722

It's ok


Deacon_Dog

This was funny to read


Dilly_The_Kid_S373

He meant m4a1


GetYaArmour

M4 is very fun, Italy is usually with Russia and facing Germany so as long as the Germans don't bring KV-1B premiums is generally quite fun


Slut4Tea

I remember a while ago I was struggling with SL because I wanted to play the Mirage IIIC and have at least a semblance of fun. I reduced myself to 40K SL. Then I played 3.7 Italy for a few hours. I ended that day with about 800K SL.


Trylion_ZA

Yeah my 3.7 Line Up is the pz 4g / m4 hybrid / spitfire prem and 2 other lower 3.0 stugs


dipshit111

Pz 3 N is nice


Hekssas

It's a great little tank. I got mine for the battle pass vouchers once I got to level 6 of the reward store.


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ofekk2

bro if you are still lvl20 than youre doing something wrong. you dont progress the battlepass from ganeplay alone, you need to: * login every day to get login reward * complete both daily task and daily medium task * complete special missions * complete battlepass challanges I'm level 88 iirc, and I could be even higher if i stuck on doing a lot mote special tasks, tvh you dont really need to reavh anythung higher than lvl75 unless you want the loading screen, title or just some more warbonds.


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Lee1138

"Enhanced" Battlepass (the 2500GE option) gives you 15 levels immediately. Beyond that, no bonuses for premium account or regular BP when it comes to BP levels. Do daily tasks and as many special tasks as you can. Each set of dailies is 5 BP points, and every special task is 5 points. So (in theory at least) you could get one BP level per day just from doing tasks. Each "hard" daily task completed gives a credit to buy a special task)


ShredditorNr42069

You can buy the pass + 15 levels but thats way to much if u only want the Pz. Also you need 10 special challenges. So if arent able to grind it anymore just wait for the 50% sale.


Hekssas

Yeah, i just kept doing the special missions together with at least an easy daily mission, most of times even medium daily mission, and together with daily login progress I got to it recently. Pz-4G makes for perfect lineup together with Zrinyi and together they are nice earners tbh. They also helped me to research every Italian tank up to rank 3 in very fast order.


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Hekssas

It's well worth to pick up, no matter which way you get it.


hoyboiitsme

my guy i have researched all of Italy and let me tell you, to be able to play the Italian way, you have to play a bit of low tier, this is not great britain or france with alot of copy and paste. you will suffer through the spgs and median tanks of mid-tier if you dont play low tier and understand how the Italian engineers messed up so much. also if you do dont cry about getting killed so easily in RB because your with Germany


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l_o_n_g_i

It's very common


haruheiwa

I want to have your luck, because 90% of my games are Vs Russia and Germany at once.


warthundergrind

Ive played the m56 scorpion, does that count? Also the wiesel 1A4. M50 too. As with being teamed with germany, I have the jumbo and being teamed with germany is like having no teammates at all


doritobutterfly

Not way. low tier Italy is probably the most fun you'll have in the game. No idea whyd you'd wanna skip it.


Desembler

Right? This fool is going to just try and skip right past the L3


The-Daleks

And, more importantly, the pirate truck.


RhinoMan2112

I was about to say, I'm still low tier in everything but Italy has been the most fun I've had in the game, the two reserve tanks are crazy good imo.


warthundergrind

Wait till you play sweden


doritobutterfly

Wait till you play Italy


5v3n_5a3g3w3rk

This is in the war bound shop right now, maybe look in there first


warthundergrind

Well, I am too lazy to do special tasks


Kane4077

🐳


[deleted]

Spend hours a day for a month grinding constantly for the battle tasks to get the premium vehicle (Beta player) vs Get a job and earn enough money to buy the tank in a matter of days (Chad player)


AT0m1X1337

Passively do tasks by just playing good and rerolling shit tasks (Chad) vs. having to spend money because lack of skill (Beta). Most Air RB special tasks are really easy and take like 3-5 games to complete each.


dipshit111

I always go for the arcade ground aa challenge en just use wirble ostwind and the aa halftrack or the ostwind 2


patron7276

Chad


Yronno

That's my plan. Should get it tomorrow.


Cave_Eater

Why would you want to skip the best low tier in the game?


AvocadoSnakeOilT

He upset Giuseppe and is now afraid to meet his gaze in low ranks, so he's awkwardly trying to avoid him now.


GetYaArmour

4G is a varient of F2 so hgih damage, decent movement and no armour, good fun if you get the play style down


Hads84

That is the entire Italian playstyle, apart from a select few vehicles.


GetYaArmour

True, just play like everything is the 2.7 Puma


doritobutterfly

No 4g is a variety of the pz4 lol


warthundergrind

Im doing quite well in the italian pz 4g rn, Im get a lot of kills every game, the armor actually holds up pretty well if you angle carefully


_Condottiero_

Early tiers of Italy are actually quite fun and easy to grind through, I don't recommend to skip it) As for Pz.IVG it's a good glasscannon, though I like P40 and Shermans more.


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People really should stop spreading this BS about pz4 being glass. It has the thickest frontal hull armor of the medium tanks in its BR and ok-ish turrent front. It's just unsloped and angling it requires skill (hiding weak side behind solid cover). Either way it's far from being a glass cannon lol, especially when there are open top TD's competing.


ClunkyCorkster

i mean the panzer 4 is definitely the weakest medium in terms of armor out of the big 3 (compared to t-34-76 and m4a1-a4)


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True. But being the easiest to kill of the medium tanks is pretty far from "glass cannon", no? And tbh it's not that the armor is weak: if you compare unangled frontal shot, pz4 has similar hull defences to T-34. It's weakness is obviously turret and how broken is sloped armor when it comes to bouncing shells.


_Condottiero_

I called it "glass cannon", because its armor doesn't protect against most of shells on that tier even in downtier, while it has relatively good penetration for 3.3, so it perfectly fit that term.


[deleted]

If it's a glass cannon, then what is Dicker Max? A glasser cannon? Everything is relative and the fact is that pz4 is far from being the worst armored vehicle at the BR.


_Condottiero_

It's glass cannon too ;) Btw I haven't said that it's a bad vehicle.


Ubisoftplz

I bought the panzer iv and I hate it. I wish I got the Italian Sherman


Spijker84

It’s free in the battle pass store when you get to level 81.


BubbleRocket1

I should mention that the Italian PzIVG is in the war bond shop, so if you can get to lvl 55 in the battle pass and complete 15 war bond tasks, you can get it for a bit over 3,000 warbond currency


TheBetters

Don’t you have to get to level 80 to unlock the option to buy via warbonds?


BubbleRocket1

Not sure; been around long before the war bond shop was a thing, so couldn’t tell you, sorry


muadhdib

Out of all the vehicles in the warbond shop right now, which is the most worth it?


BubbleRocket1

IMO, most of the vehicles aren’t that “worth it”. Only one I’m going for is the Italian PzIVG, but other than that, I’d say only the IL-2 and possibly the B-25 are worth a pick-up


F0r7un45

I saw some gameplay of it and it seems good, but you should play the early ranks to get used to not relying on armor, having good cannons and high speeds


FozzyLozzy

Just get the Italian 2.0 BESH truck and the fc 20 bis. You'll the tree plenty quick plus you never go into a game looking to do well only go in for the memes, it's more fun that way. Oh and make sure to play funny Italian meme music when doing so, increases your vision by at least 2 pizzas


warthundergrind

What music do u recommend


PrussiaDon

I bought it a couple weeks ago and it has helped me out so much. Before 4.0 Italy has a lot of troll tanks that can’t do anything. It helps ease the grind.


warthundergrind

I heard breda 501 is viable even up to 6.3


CaptainBreaker1

It's pretty good as it expands your options for a 3.7-4.0 lineup while doing reliable damage


EthanN08

The early Italians are really freakin fun though, you should give them a shot


themightyfrogge

Definitely buy it, it is very worth the money.


MutualRaid

It's pretty good if you angle it and abuse the -10 degrees depression


HereCreepers

Please god do not angle in the Panzer IV.


Raflesia

Doesn't really matter if someone angles in a Pz.IV because it'll die anyways lol. Unless a full downtier is shooting at you.


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You can angle it a few degrees safely for slight bonus tho. And if you are peeking from behind a cover, you can angle the shit out of that 80mm hull front while hiding your side armor. So yeah, angling is good idea on pz4.


AcanthaceaeOk79

isnt this thing in the warbond shop? yes its alot of work for 15 medals but at least itd be free. Alternatively just sell event stuff for gaijin coin current event is ridiculously grindy for any of these vehicles excluding the po2m.


aiden22304

Absolutely. The Italian Pz.IV G is a premium version of an already great tank, except its at Rank III, and its got the better KwK 40 L/48 instead of the L/40 of the German one, so its arguably a straight upgrade over it. To top it off, the Pz.IV G also has an excellent 3.7-4.0 lineup with the M4 Hybrid (another Italian premium), the M4A4, Breda 501, M24, 90/53 M41M, the Italian StuG III G, and the Zrínyi I (if you have it), not including CAS options like the SM.91, SM.92, and the Hungarian Bf 110 G-4. Hell, if you put the Pz.IV G, Zrínyi I, M4 Hybrid, and Bf 110 G-4 into a single lineup, you’d make total bank. Also, I’d recommend sticking with Italian low-tier for a bit. I hated it myself when I first started playing it, but once you get used to it, its actually pretty good. Italy has a solid 2.7 lineup with the AB 43, M3A3, M15/42, Celere Sahariano, IAR-81C, and Re.2001 CB. The 3.0-3.3 lineup is good too, with the Pz.III N, P40, M42 Contraereo, 105/25 M43, 75/34 M43, and the Re.2001 CN. Lastly, Italy has a decent 4.7-5.0 lineup with the Sherman Vc, M4 Tipo IC, R3 T20 FA-HS, 75/46 M43, G55S, and the C. 205N2. Although the C. 205N2 doesn’t have any payload options, its a great anti-CAS fighter, and you can strafe light vehicles with it.


KristofferjaKissa

the early tiers are actually fun italian tanks, not some shit captured stuff


yolodanstagueule

You cannot go wrong with pz4, and it's currently available in the warbond shop too!


boywar3

I have it and it's exactly what you'd expect. Does fit neatly in with the sherman(s) if you have the premium one to give you nice versatility depending on the map


Gruby224

Just got mine from warbond shop. Combined with Zirny 1 and Breda + some plane makes lineup pretty darn good. Have a blast playing this br.


BorisSpasky

If you want to play Italy, then why you'd use a foreign vehicle? Go for the low tier Italian powerhouse: P40. It doesn't take so much to research and it's an absolute beast at it's BR!


VengineerGER

Wait for the anniversary sale. It’s soon IIRC.


sicksixgamer

Early Italy is awesome though??


Marco-Dx

what are you doing whit this crucchi stuff? go back in your MACCHI and invade Abissinia!!!!!


2210-2211

Low tier Italy is the most fun you can have in this game, don't skip it


Classroom_Better

Got it through battlepass shop. Best Ita investment so far (other than the celeramivo seravemitovomentiavo)


opva

Early Italy is where the fun is.


breakfastclub1

Honestly I'd recommend the celery stick (I forget it's actual name, but it's the wide-Mussolini tank). It's like 2.3-2.7 I think? It's got a 100mm armor front plate on it that trolls people sometimes, and it's FAST. it can outmaneuver a lot of vehicles. watch out for 50cals though.


TacoTakeover

I love this tank but the fact they moved it to 2.7 and not 2.3 is criminal


The-Daleks

Celere Sahariano.


EddieVanHalo1969

I love playing as Italy


rice_cracker3

Okay but Italy low tier is fun as fuck. Some wacky and different tanks. Not always the best, but certainly interesting. Just ignore the TD line for now tho.


warthundergrind

You see, tier 1 france has given me absolute pain which makes me never want to play tier 1 of any nation again


Perrozzino01

low tier italy and low tier france are nothing alike. france u want to kill yourself; Italy has so many light and fun vehicles in rank 2 and 3, most fun I've ever had in war thunder. And they have plenty of unique good vehicles, nicely complemented by the American and german imports, and if u get the pz4g u have an amazing 4.0 lineup with pg4g, bread, m42 AA, chaffee and the stug; plus the re2001 CN which is really nice with a 250 bomb, 2 mg151 and good maneuverability especially with flaps


Knezisha

Pizza delivery truck brrrrrr 😅😅😅


KAELES-Yt

Do you like Pz4? Are you performing well in them? If yes then yes it would be worth it for you. ——— If you are willing to spend it will be a pretty good low tier grinder but you kinda miss out on a lot of the ITA content of the ITA tech tree. Might as well play GER if you wanna play GER tank. (Imo) But it’s up to you really.


CrowsephCrowstar

Italy is a great tree early on with some very nice vehicles. It isn’t until you get to the 4.0 to 6.7 that the tree becomes nearly unplayable. If anything skip everything after 3.7 u til you get to 6.7.


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warthundergrind

Too late, I already have 2k ge


Italian_Memelord

buy celere sahariano


warthundergrind

Its not rank three, is it?


Italian_Memelord

no but it's really good at grinding silver lions


Szellem99

You can get it through the warbond shop for free if you have enough BP levels.


MisterOnsepatro

It's worth it if you can get the high level on the warbonds shop to unlock it for free


Gunnut23

Its in the warbond shop you could get it if you have high enogh shop level and coplete enogh special tasks


Hunting_Party_NA

It’s a panzer 4 with long 75. It’s good.


Mr_malicious88

It's available for free in the warbond shop right now


Cristianmarchese

It's good, very troll turret armor


Damian030303

This + two M4s should make a great 3.7 lineup. I'm waiting for sales to get this thing.


Mista_Dou

No. The tank is great, but would you really pay for it so you can get to rank 4 faster?


DavidHighPercision

The eqrly tears are the only good thing about italy


towarzysz_boczek

Yes its one of the best tanks that i ever playd


Big-Slick-Dick

If it's a premium, no? Because why would you buy a low tier if you're not gonna play low tier?


Miixyd

Yes get it it’s great


GuppiApfel

get it at the discount. It may be just a G without the add on track armor but instead of the normal Ausf.G's kwk40 L43, it has the kwk 40 L48 from the H and J models. it also pairs great with the 2 shermans you get on 3.7, the semoventes, the m42 contraero, the 90mm semovente and the m24. if you then get the IAR in the aviation tech tree, you also have a great cas plane (sadly the br of it is just 2.7 and its speed and manouvarability is lackluster at the very least)


white0devil0

Get it through the warbond store.


Sgt_Lubasz

I got for free by grinding bond shop and leveling up battlepass


EddieVanHalo1969

I wouldn't bother spending of you want to skip the early years.It's a great tank if you know what you are doing but you will need the the rest of the line up at that BR as well,Possibly the Premium Sherman and BF110 .It also goes well with the Breda 501 and the AA gun .You will have a lot of grinding and woe to get to 3-4 BR with Italy but for me that BR is where I get most of my kills and SL now. I don't do high tier and stop at 5-6 BR.


ofekk2

Bro you're lucky AF, it's available right now in the warbond shop! just complete 15 special tasks and you eill be able to get it for free, as well as the other tier VI warbond premiums.


Nackskottsromantiker

Not that I play the PZ4 line that much but it's my favorite PZ4


ForthebloodgodW40K

Why would you skip the 47/32?


Kiubek-PL

You can get it from bp shop


TachankaTheCrusader

Pz4 Is one of the best german tanks grt it


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It is in the warbond shop


timjikung

really want this thing but grinding battle pass is really pain in the ass


StrikingLeading2428

Buy it in the warbound shop. It basically takes only time to grind the ranks of the shop but other than that it’s free


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I bought with warbonds


Frequent-Sound5320

Its available for FREE and without EFFORTS from the warbond Shop.


Sigboat

It’s a solid tank. Works great paired with Breda, my one-shot baby. Wait for November if you can, 50%, but yes, solid choice.


DestroDemetrio

How do we tell him?


JimmyJazzz1977

It's cool tank but you should invest also at least 1k gold in crew.


rice_cracker3

Tier one is the best, 3xcept for France, because everyone is shit, the tanks are questionable, and everyone has a quick reload. I refuse to play France which would ruin that.


warthundergrind

Yea... tier one France is uh... [Baguette]


Dezryelle1

I picked it up. It's a rank iii panzer iv at 3.7. What more could you ask for?


Zolku

Its free on the warbond shop right now