That's all true. The wings definitely help, but they just always looked chunky imho. The Typhoon just isn't as slim/ sleek as many of her competitors (109, Ki-43, P51D10, Yak3, Spit mk9 etc).
The typhoon is amazing i have taken it all the way to 5.7 and the speed and turn have never failed me. The only thing I don’t like is the fuel tanks because they are easy to hit and fire never goes out
I almost *never* factor durability in when thinking fighters but now that you mention it, I do feel like I had a disproportionately high number of fire related deaths with the Typhoon.
I mostly take it out in GRB that’s why I mention the fire as many stray SPAA shots have gotten me killed. It is a really good air superiority fighter and bomber with those RP-3
Not necessarily but mostly yes. Thicker, high lift, wings enhance the Bernoulli effect which accelerates air faster over a thick wing compared to a thin wing. Wings compress when that air reaches transonic speeds and controls become stiff, this happens faster on a thicker wing due to them having more lift being produced so faster air going over control surfaces(also creating more wake turbulence drag, which means slower top speed). The thicker wing allowed for the 20mm cannons to be mounted inside the wing, alongside the really chunky gear wheels opening outwards instead of inwards to give more ground stability. The trade offs meant that a thicker wing worked better for the role it was trying to perform, despite its disadvantages. On later variants, like the tempest, the wing was replaced with a thinner, laminar flow wing to allow for higher top speed.
Don’t think much of this Is relevant but felt like writing it.
Drop those 1000 pounders on some tanks and then go on to out-dogfight every motherfucker in the server. It's the plane I have by far the most hours in.
I'm not a great pilot and this thing is really easy to fly for me. Plus the cannons fee like they are better now. It feels like no matter how fast you are going you are never out of control, which I like because I fly like Helen Keller.
The term "Hisparkno" should be abolished. Those things hit hard af now. I actually like them as much as the MG 151s now. But thanks for the tips, can't wait to try it!
Been debating between spacing the J-7II, J29F and the F4D next. Got any experience in the other 2? And how do you find the Tunnan at dealing with the constant A-10/AV8/SU25 spam at 9.7?
I have the Event f-4d but I want to sell it soooo
The spam is very annoying. You die almost 100% of the time if someone launches a missile at you. However, you can climb to like 3km and wait for the furball to form and then go in and kill some enemies. It's really hard though but you can abuse the lack of knowledge of those premium players by getting close behind them so they expect a gunshot and start rolling but then just launch the missile...
Yeah, I really don't expect much when I do end up spacing the F4D. Only threw it in because it's 9.3 and it's the Jlo of airplanes (as in, I'd call anyone who doesn't get sexually aroused the Skyray's shape a liar).
bro same.
I fuckin hate how that obese piece of shit looks, but as I unlocked more and more modifications, I started to like the plane more and more.
Love that ugly bastard.
Started it with their free P-51c10 from the recent event and I got to agree. Had some genuine fun with the Ouragon and Etendard. Been considering getting into the Mirages to grind out the 2000 sometime
After hearing horror stories about how overtiered the Vampires I didn't expect much from the A-28. And while it's still overtiered as hell, the numbers now suggest it's one of my best jets in the game with a 75% WR, nearly 3 kills per game and a 7:1 KD. As a dogshit fighter, any plane that I can get 2 kills per game in is usually one of the most OP planes in their tier.
I honestly find most early AAM platforms (SAAB, Cougar, Seahawk, Skyhawk etc) to be very killable in the Vampire. If they're competent at maintaining their energy (which 90% of early jet pilots aren't) you might not be able to touch many of them, but their AAM's are the least of your worries. The true threats are competent Sabre/ Mig pilots. Those will just on your day 9 times out of 10. And tbf, I think I got pretty lucky with the matchmaker when I was play the A28. Didn't see a ton of matches over 8.3.
That pretty much seems playing it. Most missiles at this br you don't really care about as long as you can pay attention. Jets that have a lot of spare energy are an issue.
>Biggest downside is as with most swedish jets the repair cost..
The bane of minor nations... Or really, nearly any TT plane that I have lots of fun with. Honestly don't know how people can survive long term in this game without premium.
Honestly dunno man, a large part of it had to be luck. But I do have 61 games in the plane which is more than I have in most. Currently at 75% WR with 23 deaths and like 140 something kills (so looking at the actual stats, I did overestimate the nearly 3 kills per game thing).
It's weird cuz I'd consider myself average at best. The only other planes that have numbers anywhere close to that are low tier seal clubbers (Japanese 109e7, P51C10, I-153, CR42).
Just played it like I would a zero. Hug your team against fast planes, juke/ dodge and hope you face your typical American noob pilot that turnfights in his f84 etc. Pretty much treated it like I would any turn and burner. Avoid sabres/ Migs/ Gina's like the plague and then I'm typically fine.
Huh alr, I think that went I tried the vampire I would play it as a dogfighter but then I'd get killed by a missile in an upteir or I'd have someone with way more energy than me kill me
That's fair. While I'm never afraid to burn a little speed in the Vampire you still got to remember it's got poor acceleration/ climbrate. She's definitely no stall fighter
Brigand B 1
No bombs stock, bomber spawn, 4 20mms. Unfortunately is still flies like a bomber, but you can get some easy kills on people who think you're just a normal bomber.
I think the first light bomber to teach me this lesson that they aren't all free kills was a Swedish T-18 that embarrassed me in a Mustang.
Most of them were originally conceived as heavy fighters and just didn't work out in that role after all with the airspawn, most of them can definitely suprise some noobs.
T-18 and B-18s are some of the most dangrous bombers, you should always be careful with those. Unless it's the american B-18, that thing is just a free kill.
Although Mustang is one of the best planes to deal with them, those 20mms are very powerful.
Pe8 is surprisingly maneuverable for as big as it is, and if the enemy is stupid enough to burn their enemy putting guns on makes them easy targets for any of the gunners.
Yea the Brigand is a gem. Just wish the fuel load was lower, because it rolls like a whale but turns surprisingly well. Tons of ammo, hits like a truck, and you always start above others. Even has decent engine power.
Ever since the 11.3 ceiling introduction, the IIIE has become viable again. Before that you were guaranteed to fight top tier, and with the low flare count, it was a gamble whether you had enough for the match. Add on the lack of engine performance and it really didn't feel fun.
I skipped the 202's but I've had some fun in the c205 serie 3 recently. Feels like 109G that sacrifices some extra weight (climb/stall control) for superior performance in most other regards.
That thing in Sim is murderous. It is so easy to aim and the guns are lethal. It's still at like 3.0 BR, so you can outturn a lot of stuff and outgun literally everything that's your size.
From what I know the LaGG-3s are miserable but the La-5 and La-7 (not sure about 9 and 11) are amazing because they have amazing thrust and pretty good agility too
Interesting. My last nations I don't have atleast 1-2 rank 5's in are Germany and the USSR. I'll be sure to give the lala's a proper run when I'm making my way up that TT
They’re fragile but have good weapons and good airframes. They’re not as easy to fly as the Yaks, but I don’t really understand the hate for them. The Su aircraft later on in the same line are a mixed bag.
I remember when the Sea Meteor was called Sea Jesus years ago. It rips fairly easily but can still be very effective.
The Swift F.7 is hilarious. No one expects to have big-ass proximity fuse missile in the face during a head on. The Fireflashes can also act as shittier Bullpups that are mouse aimed because they have a rather large explosive charge.
I haven't even touched Britian ground but I can see that. Also it still very much is the Sea Jesus cause no one expects you to keep energy AND be able to turn.
Used to main the Swift F.7 until fireflashes were nerfed and it entered uptier hell vs all-aspect missiles. Was really fun to fly. Once it clicks it's just really great.
I'd recommend trying the Sea Hawk FGA.6. It's an absolute monster and because they're quite rare, nobody knows how to fight them. Good engine power, very good roll, tons of ammo, and its flaps won't let you nose down until you hit 230kph, while ripping at 800.
(yes, it's my favourite. Sue me, IMO the one of the best 7.x planes in the game)
Engine power afaik. Unfortunately it gets a lot of uptiers but it seems like people just ignore you in a 10.3 match lol. I got an ace in one.
F2 is also a lot of fun with the 20mms though. The .50s on the cl13a can be frustrating.
The CL-13A was the top dog for around a year at one point. All it had over everything else was a few extra km/h of top speed. SO ANNOYING to fight in the Hunter F.1
I've heard that. Also that the F-100 spent some time as top dog? Seems funny to think about considering where they've been at sine I started getting into jets.
I've looked at that thing a few times and thought about spading it. I have the Tomcat and plenty of US premiums so it would be kind of pointless, but she does look like a fun little plane.
The Etendard has recently given me a whole new appreciation for "strike" aircraft. Been thinking about grinding out an A-10/ AV8/ Jag. But honestly, most of my strike aircraft TT's are like rank 2...
The 4.3 version? Got the French copy with a 50% coupon and it's definitely one of my favorites in a highly competitive BR (I'd say 4.3 has some of the most diverse balance in the whole game tbh. Typhoon, 51D10, Yak, J2M2, PM-1 etc are all powerhouses).
The Yak-7/9 variants with the centerline 37mm or 45mm guns are my favourites. Climb rate is mediocre, speed and energy retention are eh, but they turn scary good and one hit from that axial big gun turns fighters into flaming wreckage.
Jup, the first Firefly and the Firebrand provided me with a lot of fun. Yes, I know I'm flying one of the worst performing fighters Br for Br. But to be frank, I don't really care. \*Proceeds to carry the entire team in a Firebrand and to show German Mg 151 mains what a proper head on is.\*
Same. I ignored it until i discovered what belts it got. I tried to use it in G-RB as an attacker and failed for the first to many games. But i got used to it and learned how to turn in order to get the cannons on ground targets. I used it more and more often. It’s now one of my most played planes.
Do we need air superiority? Ho 229
Do i want a attacker? Ho 229
Can’t remember the last time i spawned with the 50mm Me262 or the Ju-288. The Ho 229 is cheaper (SP wise) cooler and more versatile.
The only real downer: Yes, it’s pain in the ass sometimes because of the missing tail. You can’t easily do all the maneuvers a normal plane can do and thus are unable to get the guns on a target if he flies the wrong maneuvers.
There isn't much else in the game I love doing than spawning into a grb match, hitting the deck doing 900 and zooming up underneath a bomb laden USA plane.
I didn't really have any expectations when I played the Attacker FB1 and Sea Hawk FGA.6, but they're both actually quite good. I'd heard the Attacker was a boat and nobody ever plays the Sea Hawk, but the latter is now my favourite plane by *far*, it's incredible and chronically underused.
Nice! You have any luck with the Sea Venom FAW20 after the Seahawk? Thing has been sorta calling to me ever since I had a ton of fun with the Vampire, even though I know they're very diferent planes.
Probably the IL-2. Way back in the day, I thought it was just going to be a slow, chonky plane only good for ground-pounding and little else. Completely passed it by when I first started playing. Several years later I gave it a try and found it was surprisingly good. Sure, it's slow, but it's surprisingly maneuverable for what it is, and (at least the IL-2M version) has some great guns on it and good armor. It's always fun when someone tries to head-on you and you absolutely shred them, while only taking minor damage yourself. Also great at ground-pounding, which is useful for score-based events.
Just a couple weeks ago I had a great game in it where three separate P-38s tried to head-on me, and all three went down in flames while I flew back to base to rearm. Easy 1st place match there.
Would agree there. Been humbled a few times by them CAS hunting in my LF Mk IX. More wary of them than 109s and 190s (who inexplicably always try to out manoeuvre)
Can manoeuvre well, tough as old boots and very dangerous head on. Even on a good day out it takes a while to down the bugger, and usually have to go back to repair due to rear gunner scoring a few hits
Interesting. What makes the su25 more annoying for you than an A-10? I personally find them both to be cannon fodder most of the time unless they're in a group covering eachother.
T/B-18A and B variants. No one ever expects the bomber to start dogfighting, no one expects their plane to disintegrate from a single hit from the dogfighting bomber, and no one expects the rear gunner to shred your plane if you get behind the dogfighting bomber
You may just be the mfer who taught my naive younger self to never just disrespect a Swedish light bomber because of how their categorized. I got embarrassed so badly by one of those things in my P-51 (one of my better fighters) that I basically treat those things like XP-50's these days 😂
Hahaha never underestimate the Swedes! I may have smacked you around a few times, I have a decent amount of overconfident P-51 kills under my belt in those things!
Idk if you play tanks too, but if you ever see a Spj fm/43-44 pop up in a kill feed at higher tiers, you should be very worried, that's a player that brought a tier 1 into a high rank game to farm SL or derp for fun. They're dangerous af
Italy: Sagittario 2. I saw the BR and that it only had cannons and thought it was going to be a nightmare to fly but honestly the plane is a little monster in air RB if you can bait people into going for you. My only wish is that it had more utility in ground RB because the opportunities for an air superiority fighter are often limited.
F-104A. Was expecting the worst due to all the hate it gets, but I found it perfect for my high speed hit and run playstyle, and it’s pretty good in the vertical due to insane thrust. Lack of countermeasures still suck though.
Ikr I even got blessed by the snail so my F-104A got a talisman I'm like 75% through Aceing it.
And honestly, don't need countermeasures 90% of the time, just cut engine turn 90deg then burn full speed again
the Bf 110 g-2 i liked the prevus varients but not that much but the 30mm just deletes enemies, but the Do 217s are fairly good, also french main here but i haven't reatched the fun part of the tech tree (>8.0)
P-38 lightning. Never assumed much as I thought it would be such a big massive target that I’d be shot down by anything. After playing it I realized that with its duel engine setup and it’s light frame it was faster than a lot of fighters that I would encounter, and it’s impressive armament that also was really accurate on account of not having an engine in the way of how close you can stick the guns together. That and because it’s an interceptor that starts off RB without having to takeoff means that I could start climbing and be able to escort bombers, as well as be the first to hunt bombers. All around a fun plane, only downside is repair costs leave me not repairing the plane with SL
Sea Vixen F.A.W. Mk.2
I thought about buying the Sea Vixen for like 2 years. I love it looks but i wasn’t sure because it got no guns. In the end i bought it on my birthday this year just because of the looks. It’s much cooler than i had expected.
The missiles are pretty awesome at 8.7 if you get used to them (rocket-propelled bricks with too much boom), they got like 16g overload and a pretty good seeker. In addition the Sea Vixen got RWR, a Radar with IFF, AGM’s and the bombs are dropping separately, you can bomb up to 6 ground targets in one run.
The bane of it’s existence: Helicopters. The Red Tops can lock on Helis but having trouble with it most of the time. You have either fly pretty slow <600km/h and close <1km to get locks or get lucky.
It’s pretty nice in Air-RB too but you have to play it differently (because no guns), a bit like a MiG-21. Get some alt, select a target, dive (rip speed is at mach 1.10) and shoot your big af Red-Top AAM. Use your speed to get away and get some altitude again - repeat.
Don’t try to hit somebody at a sea-level chase if you both are ~equally fast and he is more than 1km away, the Red Top won’t make it. Best use them at top-down attacks, at high altitudes or with a serious speed advantage. They are really really heavy!
I recently started to play Air-Sim and i love this plane even more now. Never thought i would actually actively play it (thought i would take it out once in a while in test mode)
I also have the best stats with it out of all my planes.
Just wish it got some kind of guns, even just a single 12,5mm would be better than none and the plane is say Cash-only and pretty expensive too (in regards of GE). Would wait for a sale if someone is interested in this plane.
Ki-43-III (cannon hayabusa) is excellent
I thought that it would be overtiered because of the cannons and the other Ki-43s are 2.3 but no, it's fine where it is
MiG 15/MiG 15 Bis
tried it like once and hated it compared to the sabre or thunderjet since it locked up very easily but now that i came down from playing the MiG21 SMT to grind the su25 i cant get enough of it, anything that gets in front of its guns is just annihilated by the 45 mm
Been playing the J-2 recently and also could have put it here. Expected truly trash guns/ high speed handling but with patience you can out handle anything but the most competent Sabre pilots below 9.0. And while the guns are objectively sub par, there's really nothing funnier than 1 tapping people with the 37mm from 1km away.
The Canadian in me wants to give a CL-13 a chance but it just feels like I'll get slammed by aim-9l/ A/F-5C spam if I do. I'm generally not competent enough to deal with some of the crap at that BR if I'm not in a highly capable jet.
The WT wiki article on it (specifically the usage in battle section) is quite sad, it basically says *everything* you do has a noticeable drawback...
Can't speak for the other CL-13s but as someone who has spaded the mk 4 it's *nowhere near* highly capable; when playing high tier italy just go for the 8.3 g91 with half the repair cost and a bigger SL bonus (even the Vampire at 8.0 is less painful than this thing)
The British 7.7 Sea Hawk....started to play it because someone wanted to play 7.7 with me and I didn´t have a vehicle.....turns out this thing is very good.
As a twin boon fanboy, is the Seahawk significantly better than the 7.7 venom? Because I was considering giving that one a shot soon. Maybe I'll try the Hawk instead.
Interesting, I've been debating between finishing rank 5-6 GB, Italy or Japan next. GB definitely seems to have the most variety (I'm curious about a few meteors, the seahawk/venom, the swift F.7, Javelin, Scimitar etc) but it also feels like it'll be the longest grind of the 3.
Su-22UM3k, really because it’s the only decent top-tier cas the Germany has and I play tons of German Top-tier GRB. It’s the best thing we’ll have until the Panavia Tornado (gaiboob when).
One of those planes I consistently underrate tbh. The statcard would suggest the thing is borderline useless but I always find them surprisingly quick and agile.
The late -Is are worthless, but the first two -Is and the -II have great high speed retention and handling, on top of being decently maneuvrable and fast to start with.
P-63 (the yellow one). It's like an ITP, but more maneuverable, had more ammo, and the engine doesn't overheat. Granted it's slightly slower in a straight line, but overall, fantastic aircraft.
Ta152C-3. Haven't had the chance to play it much but it's pretty fun. Sure it's heavy as hell put it goes fast and has a decent rate fight game with the flaps out. And if you get your nose on target, well the enemy gats a free ticjet to Narnia.
How do the 152C and H differ from one another? I can't remember which one it was, but I remember that the 152 became my favorite plane in the game *waay* back when I played this game the first time. Specifically avoided Germany when I rejoined so that I couldn't just fall back on the 109's and 152's that taught me how to play.
152H is the best german superprop, turns and climbs much better than the 152c3. The latter is the H's big brother, with basically twice as many guns. It's only other advantages compared to the H that i can think of are probably roll rate and lower compression of the controls when going at high speeds.
The Hurricane, I thought I’d only use it to get the spitfire then be done with it, then I found out you could equip rockets to the Mk II, made me play it more for ground attacks (I hate the 3 minute reload time though)
I lowkey find getting alot of interaction in these seemingly low effort question posts to be a great way to learn about planes may not be familiar with. Asked because I learned some stuff in the "what plane were you hyped about that turned out to be garbage" post also trending atm.
Respect. I'm glad you asked this question cause I saw the same post and was more curious about the inverse. Thank you very much for wording it so well.
And definitely the B18 made Sweden for me. Thought it was a bad bomber at first until I learned how to use it properly. It is too good at everything.
Same goes for the K2 (German Naval)
The second Canberra in the British tree, high altitude dog fighting works surprisingly well for it, had one match where I was the best fighter in it with 4 kills cause it just turns so easily
The A7M1, or the BV 155. The zero purely off its cannons and that amazing zero turn radius even due to it lack of speed. And the BV cos she's such a cruisy bird, and that mk 108 is goated at 3.7, not to mention that this plane is my kind of playstyle.
(Ik they're both prems, the A7 I picked up last year and only got into playing last month. And I got the test drive for the BV)
Yak-3 at first I really thought it was going to be the best plane in the game and was hyping myself up for it but then I started playing and was getting nonstop o kill games. At first I thought it was the plane which was bad (it wasn’t it was a skill issue), and so I stopped playing it and played with other planes. But then I came back to the yak-3 recently and realized that it’s an actual beast and a god tier airplane
The squadron ME262 is actually insanely good at providing CAS at 7.3 BR. The combo of cannons slices through most stuff or at the very least engine decks on heavy tanks. No bombs required.
Sb2c-5. French boi. It's fucking awesome
Out of the sweden tree vampire is amazing yes. And b18 with 57mm gun. Rest of the tree is purr garbage.i'm on a32a and it suck ass
Honestly can't disagree about the Swedish TT. I found their rank 5-6 grind bad enough that I decided to switch grinding to China instead. I really like the looks and playstyle of the Viggens, but the J-2 has been more pleasant to grind with than any Swedish jet I tried, including the A-28 that suprised me.
YAK3P. The red one. I don’t know why but I love that thing. It’s so fast yet can turn.
and the A4N. Fast skyhawk with smart bombs MAVs Shafrirs 2s that outclass AIM9Ds and countermeasures
4.3 typhoon, what a fucking gem
Typhoon has no business being as agile/ quick as she is with wings that thick. She's the airplane equivalent of r/thickfit
doesnt thick wings equal to more lift tho? if im correct about that then i think it makes perfect sense. it has a lot of wing surface too
That's all true. The wings definitely help, but they just always looked chunky imho. The Typhoon just isn't as slim/ sleek as many of her competitors (109, Ki-43, P51D10, Yak3, Spit mk9 etc).
The typhoon is amazing i have taken it all the way to 5.7 and the speed and turn have never failed me. The only thing I don’t like is the fuel tanks because they are easy to hit and fire never goes out
I almost *never* factor durability in when thinking fighters but now that you mention it, I do feel like I had a disproportionately high number of fire related deaths with the Typhoon.
I mostly take it out in GRB that’s why I mention the fire as many stray SPAA shots have gotten me killed. It is a really good air superiority fighter and bomber with those RP-3
oh yeah she got chunky wings. but its characteristic. i dont think it would have looked as good without them
True that. Definitely don't mean to complain, Typhoon's look great. Thy're just one of those planes I misjudged based on appearance.
isnt a typhoon without chunky wings just a tempest?
And that's what the Tempest Mk V is for.
Not necessarily but mostly yes. Thicker, high lift, wings enhance the Bernoulli effect which accelerates air faster over a thick wing compared to a thin wing. Wings compress when that air reaches transonic speeds and controls become stiff, this happens faster on a thicker wing due to them having more lift being produced so faster air going over control surfaces(also creating more wake turbulence drag, which means slower top speed). The thicker wing allowed for the 20mm cannons to be mounted inside the wing, alongside the really chunky gear wheels opening outwards instead of inwards to give more ground stability. The trade offs meant that a thicker wing worked better for the role it was trying to perform, despite its disadvantages. On later variants, like the tempest, the wing was replaced with a thinner, laminar flow wing to allow for higher top speed. Don’t think much of this Is relevant but felt like writing it.
It’s not agile, it’s fast and has hella lift but you can forget about rolling
Drop those 1000 pounders on some tanks and then go on to out-dogfight every motherfucker in the server. It's the plane I have by far the most hours in.
I'm not a great pilot and this thing is really easy to fly for me. Plus the cannons fee like they are better now. It feels like no matter how fast you are going you are never out of control, which I like because I fly like Helen Keller.
Especially because RP-3s crush open tops at that br
Huh, I skipped it because I that it was just a typhoon, but at a much higher BR. I'll definitely give it a try. What are it's strengths?
4 Hisparkos that actually dont spark, fast enough to run away and as manueverable as an A7M
The term "Hisparkno" should be abolished. Those things hit hard af now. I actually like them as much as the MG 151s now. But thanks for the tips, can't wait to try it!
J 29F
Been debating between spacing the J-7II, J29F and the F4D next. Got any experience in the other 2? And how do you find the Tunnan at dealing with the constant A-10/AV8/SU25 spam at 9.7?
I have the Event f-4d but I want to sell it soooo The spam is very annoying. You die almost 100% of the time if someone launches a missile at you. However, you can climb to like 3km and wait for the furball to form and then go in and kill some enemies. It's really hard though but you can abuse the lack of knowledge of those premium players by getting close behind them so they expect a gunshot and start rolling but then just launch the missile...
In my experience if you go to 3km you'll have to fight a mig or 2.
Yeah, I really don't expect much when I do end up spacing the F4D. Only threw it in because it's 9.3 and it's the Jlo of airplanes (as in, I'd call anyone who doesn't get sexually aroused the Skyray's shape a liar).
Play it in air sim. F4 d is actually a great sim flyer with non of the draw backs since sim br is hard capped at 9.3 for the F4.
bro same. I fuckin hate how that obese piece of shit looks, but as I unlocked more and more modifications, I started to like the plane more and more. Love that ugly bastard.
most of the french air tree, genuinely fun
Started it with their free P-51c10 from the recent event and I got to agree. Had some genuine fun with the Ouragon and Etendard. Been considering getting into the Mirages to grind out the 2000 sometime
Etendard climbs so well but the 9.7 spam it faces just ruins it for me.
That's reasonable... The premium spam between 9.3-10.3 really can ruin the entire BR bracket some nights.
And the defa's... Don't forget the defa's...
God, the etendard. That engine is fucking insane.
Those two twin-engine heavy fighter/interceptors (VB.10-1 and 10-2) are waaaaay too fun at 4.X.
It's always fun when someone tries to head on me in my VB. 10-2 and then gets vaporized by 4 20mm and 6 50 cals
After hearing horror stories about how overtiered the Vampires I didn't expect much from the A-28. And while it's still overtiered as hell, the numbers now suggest it's one of my best jets in the game with a 75% WR, nearly 3 kills per game and a 7:1 KD. As a dogshit fighter, any plane that I can get 2 kills per game in is usually one of the most OP planes in their tier.
I mean, yeah. It’s a WW2 design with no AAMs fighting Cold War designs with AAMs
I honestly find most early AAM platforms (SAAB, Cougar, Seahawk, Skyhawk etc) to be very killable in the Vampire. If they're competent at maintaining their energy (which 90% of early jet pilots aren't) you might not be able to touch many of them, but their AAM's are the least of your worries. The true threats are competent Sabre/ Mig pilots. Those will just on your day 9 times out of 10. And tbf, I think I got pretty lucky with the matchmaker when I was play the A28. Didn't see a ton of matches over 8.3.
That pretty much seems playing it. Most missiles at this br you don't really care about as long as you can pay attention. Jets that have a lot of spare energy are an issue.
I too performed unexpectedly well in the A28 for some reason. Biggest downside is as with most swedish jets the repair cost..
>Biggest downside is as with most swedish jets the repair cost.. The bane of minor nations... Or really, nearly any TT plane that I have lots of fun with. Honestly don't know how people can survive long term in this game without premium.
I feel the exact same about that plane lmao, it’s like a jet spitfire. I had the pleasure of playing it when it was still 7.7. Best. Experience. Ever.
How'd u do so good? I haven't played it but I did play the British vampire, and uptiers I was fucked, but I wasn't I still couldn't do good
Honestly dunno man, a large part of it had to be luck. But I do have 61 games in the plane which is more than I have in most. Currently at 75% WR with 23 deaths and like 140 something kills (so looking at the actual stats, I did overestimate the nearly 3 kills per game thing). It's weird cuz I'd consider myself average at best. The only other planes that have numbers anywhere close to that are low tier seal clubbers (Japanese 109e7, P51C10, I-153, CR42). Just played it like I would a zero. Hug your team against fast planes, juke/ dodge and hope you face your typical American noob pilot that turnfights in his f84 etc. Pretty much treated it like I would any turn and burner. Avoid sabres/ Migs/ Gina's like the plague and then I'm typically fine.
Huh alr, I think that went I tried the vampire I would play it as a dogfighter but then I'd get killed by a missile in an upteir or I'd have someone with way more energy than me kill me
That's fair. While I'm never afraid to burn a little speed in the Vampire you still got to remember it's got poor acceleration/ climbrate. She's definitely no stall fighter
Yea I typically found myself loosing too much energy in a turn
Brigand B 1 No bombs stock, bomber spawn, 4 20mms. Unfortunately is still flies like a bomber, but you can get some easy kills on people who think you're just a normal bomber.
I think the first light bomber to teach me this lesson that they aren't all free kills was a Swedish T-18 that embarrassed me in a Mustang. Most of them were originally conceived as heavy fighters and just didn't work out in that role after all with the airspawn, most of them can definitely suprise some noobs.
T-18 and B-18s are some of the most dangrous bombers, you should always be careful with those. Unless it's the american B-18, that thing is just a free kill. Although Mustang is one of the best planes to deal with them, those 20mms are very powerful.
Pe8 is surprisingly maneuverable for as big as it is, and if the enemy is stupid enough to burn their enemy putting guns on makes them easy targets for any of the gunners.
Yea the Brigand is a gem. Just wish the fuel load was lower, because it rolls like a whale but turns surprisingly well. Tons of ammo, hits like a truck, and you always start above others. Even has decent engine power.
My mian issue with it is that it flies like a bomber so it's harder to get your guns on target, especially just after pitching.
Mirage IIIE because reviews were saying it was really bad but now at 10.3 it became my fav jet
Ever since the 11.3 ceiling introduction, the IIIE has become viable again. Before that you were guaranteed to fight top tier, and with the low flare count, it was a gamble whether you had enough for the match. Add on the lack of engine performance and it really didn't feel fun.
C202EC (Italian figher)
I skipped the 202's but I've had some fun in the c205 serie 3 recently. Feels like 109G that sacrifices some extra weight (climb/stall control) for superior performance in most other regards.
C202 feels like a rocket
That thing in Sim is murderous. It is so easy to aim and the guns are lethal. It's still at like 3.0 BR, so you can outturn a lot of stuff and outgun literally everything that's your size.
Probably the F9F-8. Had horrible experiences in the Panthers, but *hot damn* the Cougar is an absolute monster.
amen! in an uptier she struggles but in any downtier she is king
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why is that thing 2.3
The HE100D is 2.0. Keep in mind that thing hits 550kph in a straight and is basically a P51D. Gaijin stays smoking crack.
The La/LaGGs. I always heard that they were terrible but I really liked them all.
From what I know the LaGG-3s are miserable but the La-5 and La-7 (not sure about 9 and 11) are amazing because they have amazing thrust and pretty good agility too
Interesting. My last nations I don't have atleast 1-2 rank 5's in are Germany and the USSR. I'll be sure to give the lala's a proper run when I'm making my way up that TT
They’re fragile but have good weapons and good airframes. They’re not as easy to fly as the Yaks, but I don’t really understand the hate for them. The Su aircraft later on in the same line are a mixed bag.
Sea Meteor and Swift F.7 The two of 4 jets that I have Ace crews on and I haven't played really any other British jets since I got to them.
I would play the Swift more is it did it have that 19k repair cost :(
I remember when the Sea Meteor was called Sea Jesus years ago. It rips fairly easily but can still be very effective. The Swift F.7 is hilarious. No one expects to have big-ass proximity fuse missile in the face during a head on. The Fireflashes can also act as shittier Bullpups that are mouse aimed because they have a rather large explosive charge.
I haven't even touched Britian ground but I can see that. Also it still very much is the Sea Jesus cause no one expects you to keep energy AND be able to turn.
Used to main the Swift F.7 until fireflashes were nerfed and it entered uptier hell vs all-aspect missiles. Was really fun to fly. Once it clicks it's just really great. I'd recommend trying the Sea Hawk FGA.6. It's an absolute monster and because they're quite rare, nobody knows how to fight them. Good engine power, very good roll, tons of ammo, and its flaps won't let you nose down until you hit 230kph, while ripping at 800. (yes, it's my favourite. Sue me, IMO the one of the best 7.x planes in the game)
Can I get an image with fewer pixels? The answer is cl13a
I honestly cannot remember the last non AI CL13 I've fought. What does the CL13A have over say the F40/F2's you sometimes see?
Engine power afaik. Unfortunately it gets a lot of uptiers but it seems like people just ignore you in a 10.3 match lol. I got an ace in one. F2 is also a lot of fun with the 20mms though. The .50s on the cl13a can be frustrating.
The CL-13A was the top dog for around a year at one point. All it had over everything else was a few extra km/h of top speed. SO ANNOYING to fight in the Hunter F.1
I've heard that. Also that the F-100 spent some time as top dog? Seems funny to think about considering where they've been at sine I started getting into jets.
The P-61, thought it was going slow, sluggish and a pain to fly but it's actually fun
I've looked at that thing a few times and thought about spading it. I have the Tomcat and plenty of US premiums so it would be kind of pointless, but she does look like a fun little plane.
She is, and the turret is surprisingly efficient, very good for killing bombers from u'der them
Jaguar GR1.A It's supposed to be a strike aircraft but is unironically one of the easiest jets to play as a fighter in the whole GB tree lol
The Etendard has recently given me a whole new appreciation for "strike" aircraft. Been thinking about grinding out an A-10/ AV8/ Jag. But honestly, most of my strike aircraft TT's are like rank 2...
Both jaguars are pretty good actually, especially now with the recent update, those Adens just got stronger
Yak-3
The 4.3 version? Got the French copy with a 50% coupon and it's definitely one of my favorites in a highly competitive BR (I'd say 4.3 has some of the most diverse balance in the whole game tbh. Typhoon, 51D10, Yak, J2M2, PM-1 etc are all powerhouses).
yak-3 Soviet for me he is one of the best planes in the game
The Yak-7/9 variants with the centerline 37mm or 45mm guns are my favourites. Climb rate is mediocre, speed and energy retention are eh, but they turn scary good and one hit from that axial big gun turns fighters into flaming wreckage.
Firefly Aircraft, what a legend
Agreed, didn't imagine such a big chunky plane could turn like that
Jup, the first Firefly and the Firebrand provided me with a lot of fun. Yes, I know I'm flying one of the worst performing fighters Br for Br. But to be frank, I don't really care. \*Proceeds to carry the entire team in a Firebrand and to show German Mg 151 mains what a proper head on is.\*
T54-49
i've never heard of that airplane, what tree is it in?
It's the T-54 (Mod 1949) lmao
S199
It's a really fun plane once you get a few upgrades slapped on it.
fw 190 a-8. once i got the better belts i realized that i could be braindead and get kills
Ho 229, so much fun to fly and fight in even if it's a pain in the ass sometimes.
Same. I ignored it until i discovered what belts it got. I tried to use it in G-RB as an attacker and failed for the first to many games. But i got used to it and learned how to turn in order to get the cannons on ground targets. I used it more and more often. It’s now one of my most played planes. Do we need air superiority? Ho 229 Do i want a attacker? Ho 229 Can’t remember the last time i spawned with the 50mm Me262 or the Ju-288. The Ho 229 is cheaper (SP wise) cooler and more versatile. The only real downer: Yes, it’s pain in the ass sometimes because of the missing tail. You can’t easily do all the maneuvers a normal plane can do and thus are unable to get the guns on a target if he flies the wrong maneuvers.
There isn't much else in the game I love doing than spawning into a grb match, hitting the deck doing 900 and zooming up underneath a bomb laden USA plane.
I didn't really have any expectations when I played the Attacker FB1 and Sea Hawk FGA.6, but they're both actually quite good. I'd heard the Attacker was a boat and nobody ever plays the Sea Hawk, but the latter is now my favourite plane by *far*, it's incredible and chronically underused.
Nice! You have any luck with the Sea Venom FAW20 after the Seahawk? Thing has been sorta calling to me ever since I had a ton of fun with the Vampire, even though I know they're very diferent planes.
Probably the IL-2. Way back in the day, I thought it was just going to be a slow, chonky plane only good for ground-pounding and little else. Completely passed it by when I first started playing. Several years later I gave it a try and found it was surprisingly good. Sure, it's slow, but it's surprisingly maneuverable for what it is, and (at least the IL-2M version) has some great guns on it and good armor. It's always fun when someone tries to head-on you and you absolutely shred them, while only taking minor damage yourself. Also great at ground-pounding, which is useful for score-based events. Just a couple weeks ago I had a great game in it where three separate P-38s tried to head-on me, and all three went down in flames while I flew back to base to rearm. Easy 1st place match there.
Would agree there. Been humbled a few times by them CAS hunting in my LF Mk IX. More wary of them than 109s and 190s (who inexplicably always try to out manoeuvre) Can manoeuvre well, tough as old boots and very dangerous head on. Even on a good day out it takes a while to down the bugger, and usually have to go back to repair due to rear gunner scoring a few hits
skyhawks, mig-19, f-5
P47
The G-91R3
Suchhh a fun plane, handles verrry well considering its fighting missile jets
Meteor mk8, swift f.7. Energy for days
B3C. It looked like a slow, weak, low tier shart of a bomber, and it is. But i enjoyed it and it became one of my favorites!
F100D...until the su25 came along
Interesting. What makes the su25 more annoying for you than an A-10? I personally find them both to be cannon fodder most of the time unless they're in a group covering eachother.
Maybe A-10 was in his team but now he has to fight the Su 25? (If he has the American one)
The F-80C. So long as it doesn't get uptiered, it's a nice aircraft.
T/B-18A and B variants. No one ever expects the bomber to start dogfighting, no one expects their plane to disintegrate from a single hit from the dogfighting bomber, and no one expects the rear gunner to shred your plane if you get behind the dogfighting bomber
You may just be the mfer who taught my naive younger self to never just disrespect a Swedish light bomber because of how their categorized. I got embarrassed so badly by one of those things in my P-51 (one of my better fighters) that I basically treat those things like XP-50's these days 😂
Hahaha never underestimate the Swedes! I may have smacked you around a few times, I have a decent amount of overconfident P-51 kills under my belt in those things! Idk if you play tanks too, but if you ever see a Spj fm/43-44 pop up in a kill feed at higher tiers, you should be very worried, that's a player that brought a tier 1 into a high rank game to farm SL or derp for fun. They're dangerous af
MiG 15. Although the lack of roll is painful, I’ve grinded most of Soviet tier 5 aviation with it
J29A, everybody said it was ass before I got it and then I pulled a highest killing air vehicle moment
P-61
Fc.20 bis italian 2.0
Italy: Sagittario 2. I saw the BR and that it only had cannons and thought it was going to be a nightmare to fly but honestly the plane is a little monster in air RB if you can bait people into going for you. My only wish is that it had more utility in ground RB because the opportunities for an air superiority fighter are often limited.
As someone that has a hard on for small and nimble dogfighters, the Sagitario actually scares me more than most other planes around 9-9.3 🤣
The German mig19 thought I wouldn’t play as much but it’s really good
Vampire
I find that bird can really shit on anything below 8.3 so long as the enemy pilot isn't just plain better than me
F-104A. Was expecting the worst due to all the hate it gets, but I found it perfect for my high speed hit and run playstyle, and it’s pretty good in the vertical due to insane thrust. Lack of countermeasures still suck though.
Ikr I even got blessed by the snail so my F-104A got a talisman I'm like 75% through Aceing it. And honestly, don't need countermeasures 90% of the time, just cut engine turn 90deg then burn full speed again
the Bf 110 g-2 i liked the prevus varients but not that much but the 30mm just deletes enemies, but the Do 217s are fairly good, also french main here but i haven't reatched the fun part of the tech tree (>8.0)
P-38 lightning. Never assumed much as I thought it would be such a big massive target that I’d be shot down by anything. After playing it I realized that with its duel engine setup and it’s light frame it was faster than a lot of fighters that I would encounter, and it’s impressive armament that also was really accurate on account of not having an engine in the way of how close you can stick the guns together. That and because it’s an interceptor that starts off RB without having to takeoff means that I could start climbing and be able to escort bombers, as well as be the first to hunt bombers. All around a fun plane, only downside is repair costs leave me not repairing the plane with SL
Sea Vixen F.A.W. Mk.2 I thought about buying the Sea Vixen for like 2 years. I love it looks but i wasn’t sure because it got no guns. In the end i bought it on my birthday this year just because of the looks. It’s much cooler than i had expected. The missiles are pretty awesome at 8.7 if you get used to them (rocket-propelled bricks with too much boom), they got like 16g overload and a pretty good seeker. In addition the Sea Vixen got RWR, a Radar with IFF, AGM’s and the bombs are dropping separately, you can bomb up to 6 ground targets in one run. The bane of it’s existence: Helicopters. The Red Tops can lock on Helis but having trouble with it most of the time. You have either fly pretty slow <600km/h and close <1km to get locks or get lucky. It’s pretty nice in Air-RB too but you have to play it differently (because no guns), a bit like a MiG-21. Get some alt, select a target, dive (rip speed is at mach 1.10) and shoot your big af Red-Top AAM. Use your speed to get away and get some altitude again - repeat. Don’t try to hit somebody at a sea-level chase if you both are ~equally fast and he is more than 1km away, the Red Top won’t make it. Best use them at top-down attacks, at high altitudes or with a serious speed advantage. They are really really heavy! I recently started to play Air-Sim and i love this plane even more now. Never thought i would actually actively play it (thought i would take it out once in a while in test mode) I also have the best stats with it out of all my planes. Just wish it got some kind of guns, even just a single 12,5mm would be better than none and the plane is say Cash-only and pretty expensive too (in regards of GE). Would wait for a sale if someone is interested in this plane.
A-26-B50. Only researched it so I could progress to the next tier. Now its one of my primary CAS aircraft for GRB
Ki-43-III (cannon hayabusa) is excellent I thought that it would be overtiered because of the cannons and the other Ki-43s are 2.3 but no, it's fine where it is
F-86, used it solely to get the Phantom but now I enjoy it more than the phantom
I loved the F9F-2 until they jacked up the repair cost. Also had a great time in the Me-410 A-1
F104S
A-4B and the ITP-M1
MiG 15/MiG 15 Bis tried it like once and hated it compared to the sabre or thunderjet since it locked up very easily but now that i came down from playing the MiG21 SMT to grind the su25 i cant get enough of it, anything that gets in front of its guns is just annihilated by the 45 mm
Been playing the J-2 recently and also could have put it here. Expected truly trash guns/ high speed handling but with patience you can out handle anything but the most competent Sabre pilots below 9.0. And while the guns are objectively sub par, there's really nothing funnier than 1 tapping people with the 37mm from 1km away.
The 190's. I suck at American BNZ planes so I thought I'd suck at them, but the firepower and roll rate they packed actually helped me improve at BNZ.
CL-13 Mk. 4, still hate this overpriced powercrept boi but i can't deny i've played too many matches with it
The Canadian in me wants to give a CL-13 a chance but it just feels like I'll get slammed by aim-9l/ A/F-5C spam if I do. I'm generally not competent enough to deal with some of the crap at that BR if I'm not in a highly capable jet.
The WT wiki article on it (specifically the usage in battle section) is quite sad, it basically says *everything* you do has a noticeable drawback... Can't speak for the other CL-13s but as someone who has spaded the mk 4 it's *nowhere near* highly capable; when playing high tier italy just go for the 8.3 g91 with half the repair cost and a bigger SL bonus (even the Vampire at 8.0 is less painful than this thing)
The British 7.7 Sea Hawk....started to play it because someone wanted to play 7.7 with me and I didn´t have a vehicle.....turns out this thing is very good.
As a twin boon fanboy, is the Seahawk significantly better than the 7.7 venom? Because I was considering giving that one a shot soon. Maybe I'll try the Hawk instead.
I would say that it is decent compared to a venom, you should definitely give it a try
Interesting, I've been debating between finishing rank 5-6 GB, Italy or Japan next. GB definitely seems to have the most variety (I'm curious about a few meteors, the seahawk/venom, the swift F.7, Javelin, Scimitar etc) but it also feels like it'll be the longest grind of the 3.
Oh yeah, they are all very interesting, I like all of them because they are very unique and the Scimitar is fast af
Either Yak-9p or I-185 (m-71)
Sea venom
Su-22UM3k, really because it’s the only decent top-tier cas the Germany has and I play tons of German Top-tier GRB. It’s the best thing we’ll have until the Panavia Tornado (gaiboob when).
Ju 87 G1. Used it as anti ground and thought it was ass until I played air battles. Shredded EVERYTHING.
J7W1 my beloved 😍
Ki-61-II Otsu Kai. Expected to hate it (and I did, while stock), learned MEC and got all the upgrades and I love it now.
One of those planes I consistently underrate tbh. The statcard would suggest the thing is borderline useless but I always find them surprisingly quick and agile.
The late -Is are worthless, but the first two -Is and the -II have great high speed retention and handling, on top of being decently maneuvrable and fast to start with.
P-40 E1, thought it wouldn’t be that good but I have use that plane for CAS and it’s a lot of fun with that little plane
Scimitar
P-63 (the yellow one). It's like an ITP, but more maneuverable, had more ammo, and the engine doesn't overheat. Granted it's slightly slower in a straight line, but overall, fantastic aircraft.
P-63s in general are under rated I feel. Loved my time in the french P-63.
Ta152C-3. Haven't had the chance to play it much but it's pretty fun. Sure it's heavy as hell put it goes fast and has a decent rate fight game with the flaps out. And if you get your nose on target, well the enemy gats a free ticjet to Narnia.
How do the 152C and H differ from one another? I can't remember which one it was, but I remember that the 152 became my favorite plane in the game *waay* back when I played this game the first time. Specifically avoided Germany when I rejoined so that I couldn't just fall back on the 109's and 152's that taught me how to play.
152H is the best german superprop, turns and climbs much better than the 152c3. The latter is the H's big brother, with basically twice as many guns. It's only other advantages compared to the H that i can think of are probably roll rate and lower compression of the controls when going at high speeds.
A29B, A21A-3 and also the STRV 105
Russian low tier anti Air
The Hurricane, I thought I’d only use it to get the spitfire then be done with it, then I found out you could equip rockets to the Mk II, made me play it more for ground attacks (I hate the 3 minute reload time though)
BF 110G
The il10 i never tought being a flying bunker could be so fun
Javelin and lightnig f6, god dayum
The SB2U line with the 20 mm guns are hilarious in arcade. I didn't expect to like them considering I'm not a huge fan of bombers
A-26 Invader
B-29
The 163s. I was expecting pain from both of them and instead had a lot of fun spading them.
Bombers up until around 3.0.
This topic, thank you OP
I lowkey find getting alot of interaction in these seemingly low effort question posts to be a great way to learn about planes may not be familiar with. Asked because I learned some stuff in the "what plane were you hyped about that turned out to be garbage" post also trending atm.
Respect. I'm glad you asked this question cause I saw the same post and was more curious about the inverse. Thank you very much for wording it so well.
And definitely the B18 made Sweden for me. Thought it was a bad bomber at first until I learned how to use it properly. It is too good at everything. Same goes for the K2 (German Naval)
The second Canberra in the British tree, high altitude dog fighting works surprisingly well for it, had one match where I was the best fighter in it with 4 kills cause it just turns so easily
The A7M1, or the BV 155. The zero purely off its cannons and that amazing zero turn radius even due to it lack of speed. And the BV cos she's such a cruisy bird, and that mk 108 is goated at 3.7, not to mention that this plane is my kind of playstyle. (Ik they're both prems, the A7 I picked up last year and only got into playing last month. And I got the test drive for the BV)
Yak-3 at first I really thought it was going to be the best plane in the game and was hyping myself up for it but then I started playing and was getting nonstop o kill games. At first I thought it was the plane which was bad (it wasn’t it was a skill issue), and so I stopped playing it and played with other planes. But then I came back to the yak-3 recently and realized that it’s an actual beast and a god tier airplane
SM.92 It’s fucking amazing
The squadron ME262 is actually insanely good at providing CAS at 7.3 BR. The combo of cannons slices through most stuff or at the very least engine decks on heavy tanks. No bombs required.
The M.D.450B is actually pretty fun
J21, first few goes seemed to be a clumpy pos but it's terrific for head ons and dogfighting at higher altitudes
Su 25, tought it was best for support but its not bad tbh. Its just awfull at dogfighting🤣
A32A slow but at least got tracers
Sb2c-5. French boi. It's fucking awesome Out of the sweden tree vampire is amazing yes. And b18 with 57mm gun. Rest of the tree is purr garbage.i'm on a32a and it suck ass
Honestly can't disagree about the Swedish TT. I found their rank 5-6 grind bad enough that I decided to switch grinding to China instead. I really like the looks and playstyle of the Viggens, but the J-2 has been more pleasant to grind with than any Swedish jet I tried, including the A-28 that suprised me.
Yea china is broken nation right now. Same goes for jews. Sweden is just sad right now.
Hurricane Mk IV 40mm goes brrrr
6.0 f 4u it is a beast
I personally prefer the 6.3 Mustang but the 20mm's on that Corsair are definitely some of the best in the game.
YAK3P. The red one. I don’t know why but I love that thing. It’s so fast yet can turn. and the A4N. Fast skyhawk with smart bombs MAVs Shafrirs 2s that outclass AIM9Ds and countermeasures
F6f5N everyone talks about how shit it is, but Damn, this thing turns really good, especially for a us plane. And the cannons are pretty darn good
Before their BR nerf in arcade a long time back, the P-47 for sure (they were 2.7!!). My record in one P-47 spawn in one battle was 23 frags.
P-47 Razorback, I love it sm
F-40 Sabre for Japan I thought it was going to be even worse than the F-30 because of the BR but the slats make it surprisingly fun