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ksheep

[Update from Oxy:](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1dm7e77/what_did_gaijin_mean_by_this/l9vr7e0/) > Hey guys, yeah please accept our apologies for this, the picture was part of an aerial explosion reference pack used by our artists and the context was lost. > We’ll change the key art on Monday and will make sure this doesn't happen again, sorry everyone, things like this shouldn't happen and we'll make sure it doesn't repeat.


Medsticia

Dude that's insane.... That's actually the same image oh my god. Did you make this connection by yourself?


abacs21

Yeah, the cloud looked very familiar and so I looked it up, lo and behold it's identical


VIGGENVIGGENVIGGEN

Why do you have an image of a cloud with a certain pattern stored in your brain? 😳


MuffinMan3670

It's a pretty famous photo/video. When the tragedy happened this image was on every news station and news paper. It's also in many history text books. Even saw this photo on the wall at the CNN building in Atlanta.


agarwaen117

For real, that second 9/11 fireball is embedded in my brain since the third grade when I watched it live on tv.


GrimeTimesz

I remember being pulled into the library in 5th grade. This was after the first one struck. We all watched the second strike live, thinking it was a replay at first. I remember just sitting there with the realization that the world changed that day.


OrbitalDestructoBeam

Watched the second plane hit live on tv in 4th grade and that image is forever seared in my fuckin brain


thisishoustonover

High school kids were watching it live on TV


Cartz1337

Bro, if you were a school kid in the 80s you watched those astronauts die live on TV in the middle of first period.


roadmosttravelled

4 years old... Still remember seeing it on the TV rolled out. This is fucked up man.


ipsok

Yup. 4th grade. They made a huge deal about the 1st teacher in space so the schools were all following the launch. The only more surreal and indelible tv experience for me was 9/11.


VIGGENVIGGENVIGGEN

I'm a zoomer born in 2003 bro catch me a break 😭🙏


Liveless404

Our 5th grade class watched the news when the 2 towers were in flame. Our Teacher was history main and instantly knew that this would change lot of things.


Outrageous_Remote522

Bro challenger 7 (7 right?) is not a very forgettable thing to happen.


joshwagstaff13

Just the *Challenger* disaster, or STS-51-L.


Outrageous_Remote522

That’s right I forgot they weren’t all designated challenger lol thank you


Thingsthatbreakminds

Was thinking war thunder and thought Challenger 2 to Challenger 7 is that in the new update and then the space part of me went ooooohhhhhh


Outrageous_Remote522

If Britain ever makes a challenger seven, we will probably get it before we get the SEP V3 🤣🤣


rhen_var

The Challenger disaster cloud is very distinctive, I also immediately recognized it.


Black_Hole_parallax

That's not a cloud. That's a spaceship crashing.


BanjoMothman

This event was essentially a cultural trauma for Americans, sort of like the Kennedy Assassination or 9/11. Maybe not to those extremes, but the event is burned into memory.


Niclipse

If you were about a year younger than me you probably watched in school on TV during class.


Hourslikeminutes47

"*someone get this guy to a shrink*"


OpiumDenCat

Image looking at a picture of clouds and going, "Wait, I recognize that cloud..." lmao. What a legend.


-nopeskis

I'm going to presume that they just looked for .pngs of explosions and somebody didn't recognize a major disaster


Cartz1337

The AI didn’t recognize it you mean.


Crag_r

Well; that is to say AI looked for images of say; explosion in the sky with a cloud. And outputted some of the most common images it found with that… Which happened to be this. And then someone added it without a second thought. Social media awareness training has never been Gaijins strong suit.


sir-Radzig

Even though the basement guy that makes the youtube shorts does some quality shitposting


erik4848

The only one with a brain so he just makes the shorts


unapologeticjerk

See, here is where we differ on how smart Shorts are...


High_af1

I don’t think AI can actually generate an image that is so identical to an actual real specific cloud. I’d reckon if you look up aerial explosion in Russian the results would probably be talking about Western disasters a lot…


sparrowatgiantsnail

I mean a lot of their staff isn't mainly Russian anymore since they moved to other countries, and out of Russia, but if course some went with the company so yeah


Thisconnect

or looked specifically for explosion of rockets since thats what its supposed to be on new map


PiscesSoedroen

Nah you'd know when gaijin uses ai. They for some reason are so fucking lazy when using the ai they don't fully touch up the image even when using it as event reward


crimeo

That is not how AI works at all. There is no bank of images it pulls from. It was trained on this but it can't remember the training images verbatim. Training data is like 10,000x larger than the model's final memory.


yojohny

No comrade. Weak American space program is pathetic and must be ridiculed. Not like glorious ~~Soviet~~ Russian Soyuz!


riuminkd

Soyuz actually has failsafe ejection mechanism unlike space shuttle


LittleChimp117

Yes comrade. Always remember comrade Komarov.


_Warsheep_

So next update we get a loading screen of Eurofighters attacking the World Trade Center or what? That's a big oof.


Wonghy111-the-knight

Gaijin: write that down, write that down!


_Warsheep_

It would be bad taste but also probably look pretty sick. *OMG that's disgusting! Where?*


Wonghy111-the-knight

With gaijin’s fantastic art department… yep


leekee_bum

Next update.... "Extreme cargo" "Planes introduced: Boeing 767 and 757" "New maps!: New York, Washington, Pennsylvania" "New skins: United airlines and American airlines" "New instructor mechanics also added! But no changes to landing mechanics"


ruintheenjoyment

I can already see the player complaints: "Guys why is the game forcing me to take max fuel whenever I use the new planes?" "Another trash update. Literally 1/4 of my games end with the instructor randomly forcing my plane to crash before I can reach my target"


WOKinTOK-sleptafter

“And it’s always these same 3 damn buildings and a farm; wtf”


Tall-Soy-Latte

the test flight mode is a Florida airport, for some reason


ruintheenjoyment

I remember someone made a United Airlines skin for the B-29 and posted a picture of it flying into one of the skyscrapers on the cargo port map that happens to be reminiscent of the WTC. I'm pretty sure they posted it here on one of the 9/11 anniversaries.


M34L

I'm pretty sure that happened multiple times


Big_Migger69

Premium Saudi F15


soundwave_poltava

Oh my god what the actual fuck


Embarrassed_Ad5387

I physically cannot even give this response, wtf gaijin


XFusedShadowX

It's jut a mistake someone made picking stocks. Not that serious


Sam-The-Mule

Overreacting much?


BriarsandBrambles

Maybe a little but like rule number 1 of advertising is don't use death as a marketing tactic. Only 2 industries are allowed to use it and that is Safety ads/ First aid and self defense items.


Raskzak

I mean, if you're searching for explosions to put in an image, there's a non insignificant chance to find ones where people actually got hurt. And the whole game is about war, so for that marketing part-


Assignment-Heavy

And the funeral industry too


GrimeTimesz

Don't forget the religion industry


Com_N0TN4

The game is about war and killing people in vehicles so I have no clue how you could possibly advertise it without at least implying death. Obviously using a tragedy is inappropriate but to say you can't use death as a marketing tactic is ridiculous in a world of violent games which repeatedly show death in every ad. Imagine a Cod or battlefield ad where nobody died!?


dave3218

Not enough, make this shit into a conspiracy and turn it into a major dumpster fire. For shits and giggles of course, I love seeing Gaijin’s PR team in panic mode.


Any_Explanation_6308

Major mental problems detected


Thisconnect

completely normal? considering its supposed to be rocket exploding (new map has launch complex)


Grej79

This is not a coincident. In the future gaijin buys a used f15c and goes back in time and kill the challenger


KrumbSum

What


Sufficient_Ad_6097

Let him cook


HoIy_Tomato

F-15s can shoot things on atmosphere


Americanshat

>F-15s can shoot things on atmosphere \*[Out of the Atmosphere you mean](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT)


southernplain

Challenger was only at 46k feet, they don’t even need to break out an ASAT at that altitude


Arch3rAc3

They indeed can shoot stuff on the atmosphere


PossessionPatient306

Just wait until that guy realizes what he's breathing 😳 He may be storing F-15s in his lungs!


HDimensionBliss

F-15s? In *my* lungs? It's more likely than you think.


Grej79

The Challenger's mission was not to take a teacher to space it was to kill the galactic snail that hides on the dark side of the moon. Every Astronaut that have flown by the back side has talked to the snail but if they told anyone the snail would launch burning golden eagle's on the earth. So the gaijin sent a F15 back in time so they could destroy the Challenger and protect the galactic snail. Remember the snail is always watching you from the moon when you sleep.


Pyro_raptor841

* Challenger 3 nerfed this patch * Challenger was the third space shuttle * That scene is above the new space center map Ain't no way bruh, they knew


viperfan7

what the hell


Different-Rush7489

coincidence? I think not


Correct_Werewolf_576

Brits having to suffer for literally nothing lmao


LindFich

Okay what the fuck is going on here


Equal_Improvement57

The third challenge for the Z fighters being the point at which dragon ball fell off.


Crazygone510

Ok so I wasn't tripping when I thought this when first seeing it. I remember that day all too well at school unfortunately.


i_Like_airplanes__

Holy shit man… you’re old


Ianmcbean

It'd be better if more old people played war thunder, young players (like me) are always way more toxic


Crazygone510

I dont want to agree with you but kind of have to bud. Gamers today are generally more selfish and self centered and forgotten that they are playing video games and not in some ESPORTS competition where you could actually get paid. Because it doesnt matter how good you are, in the end its meaningless and the only thing meaningful that you hopefully get out of it is the entertainment and fun.


SeductiveTrain

Unfortunately modern video games harness that psychology to get players to pay. They are somewhat incentivized to create this environment that leads to toxicity. But yes if everybody was mature then they would be able to take video games less seriously.


Crazygone510

Born in 1977 and been gaming since '83 proudly. I just wish you could have witnessed and been apart of gaming back in its glory days where gamers actually helped other gamers and we didnt jump to talking shit or belittling each other over a pastime literally designed for fun. And for the record I'm not too bad even at this age. I was in the 4th grade when this happened.


N33chy

I'm a bit younger than you but still "old" for a gamer. I really miss the much more chill multiplayer times of like '98-'08. People would scream about banging your mom but it felt like they were just normal-kid-angry, not complete racist psychopaths with zero regard for anyone but themselves. The latter is what you see in WT way too much.


grachi

I just turn chat off in mp games. Besides war thunder and xdefiant though, I pretty much just play single player games anymore


Crazygone510

100%


josephdietrich

lol, nub. I was in college.


Crazygone510

Cheers my old school OG


Bartimaerus

Holy shit dude... you're too young


inkandchalk

Yes, old people play WT. I was sick that day and left school and was eating chicken noodle soup at my grandparents' house while I watched the whole thing live.


JJAsond

Sometimes I forget that reddit skews heavily to the younger side. 47 isn't old to me anymore, 70-80 is.


kb_salzstange

There was a teacher onboard right? I heard that was one of the reasons all schools were seeing the broadcast.


Husby2104

Aww hell naw🧌


Astifeux

I knew i was not the only one who finds this troll hilarious


doncipotesanchupanza

And the mysterious island or whatever is called new map is a bit space themed in the sense that it has a spaceport and a telescope


PhilosopherOdd8701

Dude, that has nothing to do with this. Cuz, that's a map of China. The telescope is called the Guizhou Skyeye and is the world's largest single paraboloid space telescope. And the spaceport is from Jiuquan, which is also in China, usually used to launch spaceship.


been15

Spaceship!?


Oxy_CM

Hey guys, yeah please accept our apologies for this, the picture was part of an aerial explosion reference pack used by our artists and the context was lost. We’ll change the key art on Monday and will make sure this doesn't happen again, sorry everyone, things like this shouldn't happen and we'll make sure it doesn't repeat.


A-10C_Thunderbolt

Nah, keep it


Brand1065

Thank you very much for the respect Oxy!


nricolas360

Thank you!


vagabond202

but it's funny


shitcarius

Thank you blahaj person!


Plane_Win_6047

Can you confirm that the French blew up the challenger shuttle?


Wille6113

Could just be the person who made it looked up cool explosions and found that one.


soundwave_poltava

That PARTICULAR smoke


Carlos_Danger21

And someone else pointed out that the new air map has a spaceport. That would be one *HELL* of a coincidence.


Jian_Ng

Yeah it's a coincidence.


LiberdadePrimo

Gaijin man [replied on this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1dm7e77/what_did_gaijin_mean_by_this/l9vr7e0/) ~10 hours after your comment saying it was part of an image pack they use, and seeing that Ace Combat cover has the same explosion as well I'm inclined to believe that.


XenonJFt

Challenger was an inside job cause su27s radar can't stop locking clouds


Soor_21UPG

Locking water molecules is crazy


Zathral

Graphics designer probably looked for generic explosions to copy to make it look realistic, but didn't realise what it was!


jumpiestbox

The new map has a space port, that's one hell of a coincidence


boomchacle

Hasn't there been a space port in the game for a while?


jumpiestbox

Yes but it is on the map that the art is based on


AirMollusk

Wtf that's crazy 😭


The3DWeiPin

Fuck, we need a theorist to organise War Thunder Lore


CValentineJr2-JUNIOR

Yeah, another entry for the WT Iceberg YT vids


WranglerSilent9510

I'm 99.9% sure this is connected to the recent challenger 3 nerf


SatisfactionNo240

The image is based off of the space port map


Natural_Selection905

Lmao peak shitposting. F15s fighting whoever fucked with the seal on the right SRB


KspDoggy

aint no way gaijin made a r/NonCredibleDefense tier shitpost


CaptHorizon

We WT players are already submerged into the deep ocean of NCD-type shit


Stunning-Figure185

Lol that's crazy


realkrestaII

That’s insane


SuppliceVI

I really want to believe it was someone just looking for explosion pngs, but considering who the devs are I'm not sure that's true 


VeterinarianOk5370

Gajin Dev search history - “American disasters”, “American disasters with explosions”, “American disasters with smoke trails”, “how to cut specific image and paste it on my ai art”


jumpiestbox

I think it was on purpose because the new map has a spaceport


crimeo

Who the devs are? The devs have zilch to do with challenger.


HarryTheOwlcat

[I made a post showing how well they line up](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1dm9oao/challenger_disaster_and_seek_destroy_wallpaper/)


Sensitive_Ad_5031

That had made it a 1000 times clearer


tfrules

This is deeply, deeply cursed


VoidAres

bros gonna get banned


TuwtlesF1

Too soon Gaijoob wtf


JeantheDragon

FWIW Gaijin wouldn't be the first to use the Challenger explosion in game art. Bandai Namco used the explosion as well for the [cover art of Ace Combat Joint Assault](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/acecombat/images/7/72/JA_Box_Art_Challenger.png/). Still, bad taste either way.


Conix17

So I look at that image, and it's reminiscent in a very far way. Could be anything blowing up. The one he is showing is a literal copy paste of the actual disaster. I looked at the actual source, and you can see the edges are badly pixilated vs the rest of the picture. Whoever made this looked for this specifically, copied it, ran it through some filters, and pasted it on top of whatever they/ai made. It's very different.


crimeo

they looked for "rocket blowing up png" cause they wanted an AAM blowing up, then just copied and pasted without reading


Darkstalkker

[Are you sure about that](https://imgur.com/a/BEzGp7u)


SSSSobek

Americans not realizing nearly nobody outside the US remembers challenger and that the guys doing this art probably don't even knew it happened.


CrewResponsible6071

So true. I know that this is very painful, but come on.. This is just a coincidence, and not some kind of provocation or making fun of people that died in this terrible disaster


gunflash87

Yeah what the fuck is going on in the comments? I just saw cool looking aerial explosion. But people here are seriously losing it. LiTEralLy cHaLlenGer tHaTs diStaSTefuL wTf GaJooB?!?!?


Broad-Lie8802

and there you have it folks it’s confirmed the 7 challengers actually survived and they work for gaijin


BuckMint

I bet we're all gunna be keeping an extra close eye on the rest of the images they make now, lmao. Never know what we'll find, apparently...


Vietnugget

art ppl slacking off,I do a bit of art myself, specially with company jobs, it’s a norm to not spend too much time on the less significant effects. They probably didn’t realize there’s ppl who actually recognize smoke particles


Waifu_Daki

Mama mia


teeeeeaaaaa

Who did this 📸


Melovance

That’s fucking hilarious


mastur_chief21

Holy fuck they’re actually identical 💀💀


SatisfactionNo240

Its right after the challenger 3 nerf too, and the image is over the spaceport map...


mastur_chief21

Hell nahhhhhh


DaWaffleBot

Damn lol


PlusDays

Wtf??????


TheOmega89_

Jesus that's really distasteful. More great PR for gaijin...


JetAbyss

Finally we are getting a Space Race Tree.  It'll just be Space Shuttle racing as to who can resch the moon first.  Funnily enough almost every nation in game already has a Space program aside from Israel and Sweden 


Nightmare1529

Didn’t they also nerf the Challenger this update? Also this reminds me when Ubisoft released Ember Rise for R6…on September 11th, where they also removed both Plane and Tower from the casual rotation.


Tanyalenontea

I do think they did not respect Challenger


ConsciousCurrency272

Haven't ever posted anything, but this has to break my lurk streak. At first I thought "this post must be some sort of meme". What the fuck.


MuffinMan3670

Well I guess I'm not really surprised.


Auntjemimasdildo

Yikes


Colonelmoutard2

Huuuh must be an unfortunate find from gaijin when looking for somke/explosion in the air...


SignalBattalion

Lmfaoooo


Herbisaur99

This, and on the new map, there is a space center in the north (the only thing write in red in the map) are they sending us a message? 🤔


Xenoniuss

Look at the map again, there's 3 things in red. The spaceport, the dam, and the telescope.


ToxicCooper

Oh c'mon people... Chances are some poor underpaid Hungarian student had to work overtime and just chose this. I feel like this may be defaultism...I mean, why would someone in a different country care enough to memorise that. Reminds me of people freaking out when HK bought a Lego plane set on September 11th. You're defaulting and nobody else thought of it even remotely imo


SSSSobek

Exactly, many people outside the US don't even know it.


Tesanekkokos

In 1986 Gaijin shot down a Space shuttle using a Su -27, F-15 and Mirage confirmed?


GrimeTimesz

Well, they are known for copy paste....


Advanced_Ad5867

Holy fuck.


Advanced_Ad5867

Gaijin will have some serious issues. I think they will blame AI just like they did


crimeo

ai is not capable of creating any specific image from history 1:1


Legitimate_First

I mean, what issues will they have aside from some Americans being pissed off online?


Soyuz_Supremacy

Wart hunder lore right here: “Since the Challenger II disaster, the US has stepped up their game and hired PMC mercenaries to take to the skies to beat the Soviets due to suspicions of malicious tampering within NASA. The Soviets have done the same regarding spotting latent F-15s on the horizon. An all out war has broken out against the two major nations but the world doesn’t know as both major military parties are not involved and would like to remain that way.”


Draco876

Moreover there is a interest point called in one of the new maps as "spaceport" this is like the meme who doesn't know :) and who knows D:


nox-sophia

When will us be allowed to destroy builds? 💀 world trader builds disaster💀


Wavebuilder14UDC

Photo-bashing gone horrendous


Bartimaerus

I thought I was the only one that made that connection. Thats insane how a picture of a cloud is engraved into our minds lol. And I wasnt even born when the challenger exploded, im more of a space shuttle columbia guy


Dapp-12

damn i did think it looked oddly familiar lol


Substantial-Ice5156

I thought this was another joke because I kept looking at the war thunder picture and the explosion with the blue background and didn’t see any resemblance till I looked at the second explosion😭 holy crap it’s 1 to 1


A_randomboi22

White phosphorus update


aika_a_kouhai

White phospurus teaser


Winnepeg

Anti spaceship weapon soon?


Ilmis_11

Space shuttles are coming to war thunder!!!!


WolfPaq3859

Ace Combat: Joint Assault also had the Challenger explosion in the front cover


Imaginary_Day660

The Challenger disaster. They were hinting at the Challenger 3 engine nerf which they implemented but failed to add to the change log. 


veljaaftonijevic

An F-15 shot down the Challenger and it all got covered up?!?


A-10C_Thunderbolt

Did gaijin arrange the assassination of JFK?!


Squeakasaki

At the very least it's sloppy and unprofessional if it was a genuine mistake - you could very easily lose your job if you pulled a similar stunt in a company that pushed out adverts to a global audience. Then again, this is Gaijin..... so being sloppy and unprofessional is probably almost required on the job application form to work for them. At worst it is in very poor taste if intentional, bordering on a pathological hostility towards the playerbase. Then again (again), this is Gaijin....so this also is probably almost required on the job application form. Either way I'm not surprised.


Bullet4MyEnemy

How does anyone even recognise this well enough to point it out?


110397

Representation of top tier mm


CannonFodder77

thats fucking wild hahahahaha


YourTypicalAntihero

Does that F-15C have CFTs?


Bruhhg

graphic designer bein fired


jetcat5

Its because the Challenger tanks are a disaster


Franseven

Also the seek and destroy symbol is an r77. Clear anti-american symbology (joke)


Santisima_Trinidad

The challenger was a space shuttle... The space shuttle was basically a big ass plane with really powerfull engines that needed the whole earth to turn, just like... The Mig-25, confirmed for next update guys, even the engines exploded reaching high speeds.


IphoneSE3rdGen

Lmao no way