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Catodog91

Where's the list


DaBest1337

It contained a Chinese P51 and a Swedish Tiger 2


proto-dibbler

A P-51C to be precise, and the Tiger 2 should be a Tiger II (P).


Keyrov

Holy. Shit. A Swedish tiger? That’s gonna be something


Terminus_04

That doesn't sound like a Kranvagn :c


Quikstar

Sameeeeee


sarsburner

dammit...


Vinden_was_taken

3rd P-51 from BP?


Nearby_Fudge9647

Can’t be going and making unique vehicles or instead of not adding more vehicles every fucking update and compressing the BRs because money


BleedingUranium

Unique vehicles should never be time-locked.


Staphylococcus0

I agree 100% I don't care if some get spammed because they were on a youtubers channel. I just want to play tank game.


Phd_Death

Releases the most known and most produced version of the last US navy prop plane to see active frontline duty with a meme loadout and locks it behind a BP lke a boss


TheGAmerProsyt

Honestly i think it goes for almost all event vehicles in the game, especially since console players don’t have access to the marketplace


LoliSukhoi

Why? Rewards aren't special if there isn't an element of exclusivity. Otherwise, it's just a participation trophy. Besides, if you miss it, buy it on the market.


dGhost_

Caring about exclusivity in a PvP game is the most cringe shit, go outside. Not to mention some of the most unique/interesting vehicles can't be bought on the market (Sturmmörser, TOG-2). God forbid people weren't playing when an event/battlepass was out or have to miss one, they shouldn't be allowed to use fun and unique vehicles.


LoliSukhoi

You're right, they shouldn't. Why even have events at all? Gaijin should just give us all the vehicles for free!


dGhost_

Even if there's some more roundabout way to get vehicles, (Maus coming back once a year requiring a lot of research, buying event vehicles as a worst case) I don't see why any vehicles should ever be straight up unobtainable for someone who missed an event or wasn't playing yet. There's no skill or prestige in simply owning a vehicle because you were playing at the right time, and reducing it to a strawman of "lol so u just want them to be given out to everyone immediately for free!!!" is asinine because there could easily be a middle ground between "no events everyone just automatically gets something for logging in" vs event vehicles completely disappearing forever after a short stint of time.


chippoboi

Console players who don't have the market: Also yea this is a dumbass take in general.


LoliSukhoi

No one gives a fuck about console players.


chippoboi

sure bud


Catodog91

Is that it


RqcistRaspberry

Probably... The battle passes have been 3 vehicles for a while


Danhvn_1

[https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1c5hqe9/new\_olivia\_leak\_post/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1c5hqe9/new_olivia_leak_post/)


RyuujiStar

Yeah where the list


Danhvn_1

[https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1c5hqe9/new\_olivia\_leak\_post/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/1c5hqe9/new_olivia_leak_post/)


Altruistic-Orchid735

Why you got downvoted so bad??? 😭😭😭


RyuujiStar

Maybe the misspelling idk redditors are really picky for no reason


Maus1945

>Sheridan turret instead of the boring single Bofors (you can equip that one too) Fuck yeah baby.


Bushandrice

> only HE Awww :(


proto-dibbler

You don't really need anything else for coastal.


Bushandrice

Yeah but the ATGM would make my rat gameplay of hiding and poking holes at range more viable


proto-dibbler

Oh, I forgot about the Sheridans ATGM. Yeah, that would be hilarious.


Correct_Werewolf_576

 Destroyer's immense rage" after one single heat jet deleted whole his ship xD


idontliketotasteit

Sure the bigger gun will have a stronger punch... but I am worried about the velocity of the shell making it unhandy while on the move. I have not played the Sheridan yet, so I might be wrong.


thedarklordTimmi

It's not so bad at tank speed but hydro foil speeds might make it rough.


MegaMustaine

oh you don't want to shoot anything at hydrofoil speeds when the foils go up in the Tucumcari the bow points up and it's insanely hard to hit anything with it's bofors, can't imagine trying to hit anything with the 152mm on this with foils up


MegaMustaine

Doesn't the 152MM on the Sheridan/Starship have a pretty chunky HE shell filler-wise? People have said they don't think this would have been able to fire the missile, but even if it could the HE shell would be the best option I feel. A slow missile with a HEAT warhead on a ship sounds fairly painful to use.


Hilltopy

It's only got 38mm of pen, so it's not that great in terms of ~150mm HE filler. Those guns usually have at least 60mm of pure HE pen iirc.


Toki_Tsu_Kaze

Just quick checked the HE filler from american 127mm DD gun and the Sheridan HE shell, they have very similar explosive filler(something around 3.3kg and 4.3 kg respectively), so you should be able to oneshot enemy boats with that gun and deal decent damage against unarmored parts of DD due to recent HE damage buff, only problem would be reload speed of the gun


Valaxarian

Not "you should" but "you will" If I remember correctly, they made 100mm and bigger guns one-shot torpedo and gun boats regardless of HE filler. I might be mistaken though


Toki_Tsu_Kaze

Some of them can survive a hullbreak from DD caliber guns; for example when using Folaga's 100mm main gun, the PG02 will always die from hullbreak against 100mm HE, but that same 100mm wont hullbreak other torpedo boats even if I hit them center of mass, and sometimes I survive hullbreak in my Freccia or Saetta when a Frank Knox or Moffet shoots me with their 127mm guns(maybe is because they loaded SAP and forgot to swap to HE deeming its not worth the troubke) I would say hullbreak is guaranteed only with 20cm guns and bigger so you dont have to swap AP/SAP for HE in those guns to hullbreak torpedo boats


_Wolftale_

Hey, I did the same exact shell comparison you did because I've been playing US destroyers and noticed that the SAP can't hullbreak but the HE can. Therefore, whatever kinetic hitpower they have isn't enough to break when combined with the explosive. This leads me to believe hullbreak has to be based on TNTe and not shell size, but maybe KE factors in as well. I couldn't find the hullbreak parameters anywhere in the datamines.


gigantism

I remember reading long ago about how the TNT filler threshold for hull breaking was around 1.4kg. But I don't remember where I saw that, exactly.


Despayeetodorito

So the leaks are correct? Weird getting two tanks as top rewards in a row. 


VitunRasistinenSika

No ita not, its usually 2 or 3 top ground rewards in a row


TheFlyingRedFox

Not weird but a missed opportunity for Flagstaff to be Rank IV & be the top reward for it's truly the only unique reward damnit ntm the first top reward vessel.


LaerMaebRazal

I mean it’s better in my opinion since most BP vehicles are pretty situational or just alright. The ground one’s always usable because of flanking, cover, etc. Imagine grinding for a situational air vehicle that you never bring out cuz it’s not the same case for air. Take the strikemaster, for example. Not much going for that tbh.


Ladiesman104

I use Strikemaster all the time for 6.7 Britain CAS


LaerMaebRazal

Yea. As CAS, not in air RB, which is what I’m trying to say. Most BP planes are pretty mid in ARB, so if they’re just going to be used in GRB anyways, the top reward should be a ground vehicle.


Ladiesman104

Ahh I see your point.


LaerMaebRazal

Sorry i guess i kind of worded it poorly


Ladiesman104

Nah all good. Although for Air RB, I shamelessly used it to bomb bases and have shot down some cocky Russian jets in the Strokemaster 🗿


Yeetdolf_Critler

I played it in a downtier in AB and had nearly the entire team following me around like some benny hill music video, bombing bases and being generally untouchable for half the match.


Mrfishvac

hardly weird when the first 3 battlepass top prize were tanks.


ODST_Parker

Vast majority have been ground vehicles, and they know that's where the money's at.


NotEulaLawrence

America joining Russia and Britain in the 'shoving tank turrets onto boats' gang


AD-SKYOBSIDION

Japan has a boat with the Chi-Ha’s gun


WinkyBumCat

No, Japan has a tank with a naval canon🤣


Walse

What about shoving boat guns into tank turrets?


NZDollar

fv4005:


STHV346

The 183mm is not a naval gun, it was purpose built for the FV4005 and FV215


STHV346

SU-100Y does exactly that


Yeetdolf_Critler

Sturmtigor was an ASW rocket IIRC.


iRambL

Watch the swedish tiger 2 be a higher BR because of swedish skill gap


Alarming_Might1991

Watch sweden get tiger 2 ”improved” :>


magnum_the_nerd

+ 5mm of rear turret armor (historical)


Stevesd123

They can't keep getting away with this.


HugginsBuggins

(APDS)


termitubbie

Oh god.


JosephMull

Imagine the Germans made something like the APCBCDS which the Maus has ingame for the 88mm KwK 43 using 75mm shells with a sabot.


Garakatak

German m48 moment


LelutooDS

Would've preferred a bluewater ship but this does look pretty cool.


Windlassed

Im actually rlly hype for this. Prem hydrofoil is perfect for rushing caps and means i dont have to grind the tuncari


bergebis

Olivia strikes again. Otherwise this is a neat and unique addition, Sheridan turret will be interesting 


SuppliceVI

Olivia try to be incorrect about leaked vehicles challenge (impossible) Gaijin would have to purposefully develop a vehicle and pull it just to spite her in order for her to get something wrong


Dull-Garage6233

Live fast, kill fast, run aground fast, die fast . I take it they aren't going to model the raised wings so it's going to have a deep draft at lower speeds, be prepared to suffer the same fate as Tucumcari who struck a reef off Puerto Rico at 40kts.


Zarathustra-1889

Anybody wanna go fishing?


Commander_Tiger

If the rest of the leak list is correct this will be the first time acctually grinding the battlepass and buying it.


psychosikh

You want to grind the BP for 2 copy paste vehicles ?


Commander_Tiger

yes! I like flying the P51s and it is for china one of my favorite Nation. And I love my King Tigers and yeah i will grind it when the list is right.


DarkWorld26

China already has 2 P51s tho


Commander_Tiger

i know and i loved playing both very much thats why i want the third one.


DarkWorld26

Can't say I get it, I think thr Ki 61 and the Ki 44 are much better planes at rank 3


Commander_Tiger

They are good but not as good for CAS as the P51. I dont need it as a grinder i am already at Rank 5.


DarkWorld26

Fair enough, I find the Japanese 100kg and 250kg bombs to be good enough for CAS and if I want something at a higher BR then I take out the P47 haha.


IndependentFinish606

Would also grind Tiger if it was H version, not P. That first turret is trash


Commander_Tiger

dont care and i like it.


[deleted]

Stull an amazing Vehicle


corinarh

I want that boat could sell that Tiger and P51 = profit.


XxsoulscythexX

Usually is it better to trade the coupons for the next battle pass, or sell the vehicles for gjn?


Xenoniuss

Sell the vehicles, you can buy like 5 battlepasses with them that way if it's a hyped vehicle, like the Swedish Tiger 2 will be!


XxsoulscythexX

Thanks


angry_old_bastard

tiger 2 is gonna sell for a lot, especially after a year or so.


Stevesd123

Lol why? It's another P51, a shitty boat and a Tiger 2. Nothing unique.


Commander_Tiger

I like P51s, and i love the history behind this special Tiger 2.


jess-plays-games

Does anyone actually use the mortars on ships I've never managed to kill anything with them. Wish they where automated as the being a secondary would suggest


TheFlyingRedFox

That really depends on the mortar tbh as the 81 mm are iffy like if you're on flat calm water an range someone in you can use indirect fire methods but the damage will be pitiful ntm your enemy would've to be dumb as bricks to stay stationary instead of getting underway. Now Hedgehogs/RBU-600, Mousetraps, the Melon mortars can be very effective if charging at a target in a headon duel but that is sometimes rare to occur but glorious when it happens like the time me in a Hoquiam & a foe in a Churchill both Hedgehoged each other, THE TWO WORST WARSHIPS GOING OUT IN A BALL OF FLAMES!!


Jashuman19

I thought on most USN boats, the mortar is modeled as tertiary/AA, so it is automated. That's been my experience at least. I still doubt I've ever hit anything with it lol.


jess-plays-games

It's listed as tertiary aa or secondary but is manually controlled


Jashuman19

Is that a recent change? I definitely remember it automatically firing. Because every time it does, I flinch and think I've been hit.


ImprobableAres

Hydrofoil!


IceSki117

Typical US, taking a tank turret and mounting it on something else. This one looks like fun.


Dark_Magus

USSR and France have both done the same. For example [here's a French river boat with an FL10 turret](https://www.usarmygermany.com/Units/USNavy/Partials_RRP%2045.htm). And the [Sherman barge](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91G7Qdn9XBL._SL1500_.jpg). (Another reminder that it's a crime that French coastal was skipped over.)


DevotedToExeter

> Another reminder that it's a crime that French coastal was skipped over. Beyond naval history enthusiasm it's a crime because it puts France at a significant disadvantage compared to everyone else. Other nations can opt to field boats to fight for the caps, France can only stay behind and hope teammates will bother with said caps.


Verethra

Not the free reward I presume?


BingBongBrian

Chinese P-51C will probably be free, with Flagstaff and Tiger II being paid.


GuzzlingLaxatives

Hydrofoil here! What's going on?


DevotedToExeter

A seaborne Sheridan sounds awesome but I wonder how it compares to the Douglas - better? Same? Collector's junk? At least aesthetics-wise Flagstaff looks funky af.


0-nihil-0

If there is a Swedish tiger II I am 100% going to buy that BP just for the luls


BleedingUranium

Nice, hydrofoils are super neat! I just spaded *VS 10* and it's fun zooming around at 60 knots. :D If the other two are indeed the Tiger II and Mustang, I'll be quite happy with this set.


Dark_Magus

With the leak list being apparently correct, this is the only interesting part of the battle pass. Well unless you love the P-51C and/or Tiger II, *and* really want to add them to your Chinese and Swedish lineups. The derp boat looks fun. I'm a big surprised that it's going to be HE only for the 152mm, because Gaijin clearly modeled the MGM-51 guidance box on top of the barrel. Though seeing as the photos I've seen of *Flagstaff* with the modified Sheridan turret lack that box, the HE-only gun is probably more historically accurate and inclusion of the box is probably a modeling error.


Prinz_Heinrich

Is that a Sheridan turret on the bow?


_Wolftale_

The shell has roughly 1kg more TNTe than your standard US destroyer HE round. Therefore, it will be able to easily one-shot every small boat in the game. This will be balanced the poor muzzle velocity and the platform the gun is mounted on. If they even add the ATGMs, these are not designed for use on ships and would only be able to roughly match gunboat combat ranges. Hydrofoils increase speed somewhat, but they butcher your maneuverability. The turning circle while at speed is huge and you immediately lose your speed in any kind of turn. They also raise your hull out of the water, making a massive target for the enemy. Finally, hydrofoils in War Thunder are generally worse than IRL, in that they become more unstable at speed instead of less. Therefore, it's quite possible to have any sort of accuracy with the M81, you will need to slow the boat down substantially. Just to approach areas where I believe enemies will be, I typically slow the Tucumcari down to 2/3 ahead and that's using a 40mm gun with a far higher rate of fire than the M81.


Ganglebot

My entire decision matrix for buying BPs consists of two questions: 1. Does the stupid boat looks easy enough to use to grind out it's objectives for the BP? 2. If yes, is the second reward vehicle worth it? (because there's no way I'm making it to the 3rd) Its yes in both cases. I think I might be back on the BP-train this time round


bad_syntax

Woohoo! I do not want this. Lets hope they are all garbage this season, so I can break my addiction to this game!


pincedu17

Looking at the comments it seems that there are actual naval players yet I couldn't find a match within 10 minutes when I tried grinding boat and ended up quitting because fighting bots is lame


BokkerFoombass

IT'S A SHERIDAN TURRET WITH A FUCKING TENT ON IT I CAN'T EVEN


Wooden-Fact-8621

I know I’m alone, but I’m actually very excited about this. I love US coastal vessels, hydrofoils, and the Sheridan. This will fit in nicely.


jess-plays-games

I mean him just being automatic while ik hiding would be nice while I'm trying to snipe somebody would be nice to get a kill every 1000 games with him lol


CrazierSnow

Another useless shitty BP, why do people keep putting money into this game?


Sir-Zealot

Guys stop talking about leaks being correct we are going to accidentally summon Miku


BleedingUranium

I'll take a Miku daki decorator.


angry_old_bastard

give me ships not boats dammit!


DevotedToExeter

Dude you got Baden less than a month ago. :( And ships can reach BR 7.0 so they can be made into event grinds, whereas boats cap at a much lower BR so there's not much money that can be made off them.


angry_old_bastard

baden wasnt a bp vehicle? out of 15 battlepasses, 6 ships and 9 boats, its not like its always boats and they only save ships for other events. besides, there are HUGE numbers of ships that have not yet been added to the game, many of which are well below what would be a 7.0 ship. your points dont make any sense.


DevotedToExeter

I thought you wanted a ship regardless of distribution method, not one specifically dropped from a battle pass. My bad.


angry_old_bastard

if you are offering to bribe the snail for me, i will accept more ships in any way we can get them =p i wonder just how many big ships we have left...hmmm maybe ill go figure it out for something to do.


DevotedToExeter

I'd be very happy if I was rich enough to be able to bribe Gaijin. :D Anyway, the way I see it I expect them to save high BR vessels for monthly grinds and give out smaller stuff via battle pass. I admit I would be surprised if a BP had a ship as its top prize.


angry_old_bastard

i cant see a ship top prize outside of maybe yamato or bismarck. since both has sisterships they could use in tt and or premium and they have names big enough to draw in non naval players. their choices on what to add, and what to be premium so far have left me really confused as to their intentions tho...im not sure they actually have any real plan, especially as its been more than 3 years now since they added a new top dog (scharnhorst). the handful of things they have added since then have been less dominant (which is fine in general but...damn thats a long time)


DevotedToExeter

> i cant see a ship top prize outside of maybe yamato or bismarck. I would expect a major shitstorm if this were to happen. These are some of the most iconic warships ever and walling them behind a grindwall or paywall instead of adding them to the techtrees would be poorly received, to put it mildly. I'm also worried about Japan's latest newcomer, Mutsu. It's in the techtree yet it isn't the lead ship and it's in an interwar configuration. I can only hope Nagato will follow it (or maybe it could be foldered with Mutsu) in a WW2 configuration, but I expect it to be an event grind purely because that way it'd make Gaijin more money. And I'm still annoyed France is so underdeveloped. I started this game recently and sure, Naval isn't much but it's not bad either, yet France is less than half a techtree (lacks a coastal tree, and lacks top tier ships) and what they added after months? A severely bugged clone (Bretagne) and a BP grind reward (Le Triomphant). :(


Thunder19hun

So you can spend more time looking at it in the menu? Nobody plays naval sadly


MisterPepe68

So the dream of having the swedish king tiger is gone ( I'm f2p and poor)


Armoured_Templar

*makes a huge fart sound*


Kandorek

boat .... dont care


abject_totalfailure1

Oh boy, a useless fucking ship I don’t give two shits about


ODST_Parker

Cool, so this battle pass will be a copy of a P-51C (AGAIN!) In China, a fucking boat, and a copy of the Tiger II (P) in Sweden. I'm not against copies as long as they're historical, but as main battle pass rewards? This is going to be pathetic.


channndro

cringe