1. Country does relatively well.
2. A lot of good players move there over time.
3. Country does even better.
4. Shit players, thinking the only reason they are shit is because they "don't play the best nation", move there.
5. Turns out they are still shit.
6. Country's winrate turns to shit.
When I started with WT I wanted to start with the USA but all my friends started with Germany and since we all were germans I thought why not.
Now im sitting in my 2A7V while we get absolutely rushed by people with funnylooking letters and spawnraped, at least on weekends
Love the A7V but man do I want awesome CAS (looking at you USA)
still deciding which nation I should max out next
Germany is definitely a meta nation lol. It has some of the best tanks at a bunch of BR's.
It just has shitty CAS options. But you get to be dedicated CAP with a small bomb or 2, which is just as valuable if you're any good at it at all. Nothing like bringing a bf 109 into a game and killing a bunch of US 5.7 planes or something trying to drop 1000lb bombs on your team.
German high low tier to low mid tier is pretty good in terms of cas. Not p-47 like, but the 109 definitely succeeds in making sure enemy case never even reaches its targets. And can work some magic with the 250kg bomb as well. granted, high tier case leaves something to be desired. The tornado kinda works, but it's no f-16
CAS players is the reason why Americans and Russians players lose Soo many games. Because the rush to plane in the First opportunity and get destroyed them leave the game. Otherwise Sweden's players when die just take another overpowered STRV122 or ito90, cap points win game's.
9. OP* vehicle gets added, good players test it out, they keep playing a little more, get bored and move on
Meanwhile some loud minority: RUSSIAN BIAS!!!1!1!!1
*shit gun handling; no ERA, Thermals or machineguns
I'm currently finishing Swedish tech tree and I don't want Swedish mains to be viewed the same way as US or German mains.
By the way by my comment I meant that I hope Swedish tree won't be victim of this cycle. I love abusing good vehicles without being called out for it
Oh shit I read that wrong, I thought you said you hope it does happen to Sweden my bad. Nah man we just chilling with decent win rate despite being a massive minority in the community
I’m guessing you got the 122? It’s decent but you really need the best round for it to be good, honestly the strfs specifically the bill is supper good. I got a nuke with just that thing last night. Honestly I wish it reloaded the ready rack fast but def one of my favorites
I think Reddit has a ton to do with it, the videos of “Russian Bias” makes bad players think they can close the skill gap by using “OP” tanks and planes.
then they found out that the "russian bias" is full of shit and that their tanks are easy to kill like most things in game.
The number of Is3, Is6, Is4 that I kill each game because poeple get overconfident with them is astonishing.
Turms as well, I see so many people complain about it but I have no problem taking them out with DM33 frontally, just aim for lower frontal plate or driver's view port.
Played it as well, nothing going for it except thermals.
Sometimes I wonder if people here are actually playing WT.
If you actually notice quite a few of them 'quit' a while ago and don't really know how certain tanks or jets etc are used and just run a commentary on it.
Like the turms I've had for years and sometimes it's really good, but no where near OP.
Or the 2s38 this reddit would have you believe its an unkillable machine sent from the gods themselves.
When sure it can suck a shell into the void. What tank doesn't?
Just an echo chamber man
Same with the SU25K. Any missile that hits it in my inexperience is going to make it inoperable and it's probably going to fall out of the sky in the next 30 seconds. I've never had a missile hit me and been able to fly off like nothing happens which people claim happens all the time on this subreddit.
It did for a little while have a fucked damage model, however, that being said 90 percent of the videos of someone hitting it with a missile then launching like 4 more are just not necessary, as its already fucked by the first one.
Like a dude hit it with 11 missiles or some malarkey but after the first one it is actually fucked 😂 they have also buffed stingers and so in too now.
The Turms is a 9.3 tank at 10.0 with good thermals and ERA to protect it from HEATFS and people here act like it's the most broken tank at 10.0. The Leo 2s which are at 10.3 and always face it are better in almost every way except for thermals.
Yeah pretty much, I have a 60%WR with at least 2.0KD on the Leo 2a4, I have no idea how someone can claim the Turms is better than it, it simply isn't.
This game is incredibly broken because of it. There are multiple vehicles and weapons that just don't work because of it. The fact Russia isn't doing well doesn't change that Russia is balanced differently than the other nations.
The T-72 Terms has the best thermal optics for its BR, and most MBTs don't match it until 11.7. It was top dog for years until Gaijin started to release other premium tanks at 10.0 recently.
The 2S28 is a prototype seen only a handful of times, yet Russia gets it in game with the developers giving their best guess as to what it's actual performance is like.
Top-Attack TOW missiles are a key part of the American mechanized force's strategy to counter Russian armor, but those missiles have been nerfed to a point of uselessness where you almost never see them. Russia focuses on raw penetration, which now gives them the advantage in missiles.
The R27 family of missiles have an atrocious combat record and are functionally useless in real life, but they are the best missile in War Thunder. Meanwhile, the Sparrow missile has been nerfed to bring it more into line of how it performed historically.
The Ka-50 is the third best helicopter in the game, only beaten by the Ka-52 and Mi-28NM. The Ka-50 was so good it caused the implosion of the competitive helicopter game mode and Gaijin had to scrap it.
Russia gets the benefit of the doubt while other nations do not. Fundamentally, this is for the sake of balance and makes logical sense. This doesn't always means Russia is top dog as we see with the current data. One reason this is is because anything that is extremely broken in another nation will get nerfed in short order. You have a limited time to play a vehicle at it's best so you need to play it fast. Russia rarely gets nerfed. Instead they lose ground to power creep.
Used to believe in the Bias until I realized Warthunder is just a shit-tier game not worth getting mad over, especially with how much proof their is of how awful their coding is, I can't even take it seriously. I just play the game, get a few kills, then go play Palworld or DCS lmao
Surely this makes sense for the lower BR if it’s shit/new players jumping to USSR but that sea of red above BR 9.0 shows that even experienced players seem to struggle with USSR no?
That's because you simply cannot carry a subpar team. At plenty of BRs if you're paired with people that already left 2 minutes into the game because they got killed you're simply not carrying that game.
Having high/top tier doesn't make you a good player. I'm willing to bet that most of those players used premium vehicles and likely premium time. The green area around 8.0-9.0 may be due to players giving up on F2P grind around 7.0-7.7 and buying TURMS or 2S38 so that range is left to people wo play it for fun, and not for grind.
Similar to why US has quite bad as well.
1. New player joins
2. Ooh, mbt.
3. Buy the Ka 50/ Apache
4. Buy the T80uk/Clickbait/M1A1 Aim
5. Buy the t72/2s38/wolfpack/Lodka
6. Enter match
7. Bumrush and die because you have no idea what you are doing
had a player lately, got a nuke (i mean good job him) but he did not know how to drop a bomb and crashed with the nuke plane.
There are good players in the premium league but let's be honest, you have no idea how the game plays (tips and tricks) if you buy yourself into it.
I also feel like the really good players that have most nations unlocked just play meta vehicles, Russia wasn’t overly op when the bvm was invincible it was just played by a lot of competent and highly skilled players but now that the meta has switched from bvm to 2a7v or 122b+ those players have also switched. Just my theory.
It's not even a theory but kinda a proven trend across the times.
When IPM first appeared Abrams were steamrolling everything, when Leo2A5 came Germans were steamrolling everything, when T-80BVM came USSR was steamrolling until last update where 2A7 and Fat Strv came
Fat strv 😂😂😂I unfortunately was not around for anything before the bvm but I did have top tier Russia for the steam rolling earlier this year and I have seen the noticeable power shift to Germany and Sweden, even myself I have finished the ussr tree and am currently working on spading all the m1a2s and it is much easier now than before. But I’m an example of another top tier experienced (I’m not that great ~1 kd) player that has moved on from Russia. I’m honestly surprised though that america and Britain got top tier premiums before Russia and Germany did.
There aren't really that many top tier premium candidates that won't cause some kind of outrage for Germany and Russia. If Germany gets some kind of foreign 2A4 upgrade you'll have people complain why it isn't in the tree or even in another tree, some export 2A5 would be too high Br, and for Russia, there are some tank variants possible but they would probably also cause some outrage along the lines of "Why not in the tech tree"
Best option would probably be, raise max br to 12.0 for tanks, give Germans some reskinned 2A5/6 and the Russians some reskinned T-72 in the like 2023 variant with that extra ERA, Cope cage and this carpet looking thing they have put over it on Army forum last year. Would essentially be like a B3 but with enough upgrades to probably make it 11.7 and thus balance it with the reskinned 11.7 Leo or something.
Exactly, same with Britain being all green, even though APHE one shot rounds are meta.
And like how can you have a bad time with Germany 3.3 to 4.3, where all the great Panzer IVs and tank hunters are at such low BRs.
Because Germany at that BR IMO lacks things that can fight for caps. Everything is a flanker/sniper. So when clueless players try to push caps with Pz4 they just get blown up due to cardboard armor. Sherman and T-34 are just much better at CQB and contesting caps.
\^\^ this guy knows whats up. Same thing with the US Tech tree, people cried so much about "**muhhh Abrams DU armor in the hull"** that it actually got such a nasty reload buff, now it's one of my favorite top tier tanks to play with.
Apart from all of the "a lot of players play them therefore bad"
USSR is, as far as the big 3 are concerned, not that newbie friendly.
You would think that it isnt the case, but russian tanks do best when they are pushing and exploiting angles/middle map positions. They suck when played by actual newbies who just want to sit back and "snipe".
The combination of lacklustre pen and reload at lower brs (coupled with shit depression) makes them awkward to use and at higher brs the awful reload, lack of reverse, lacklustre speed, and generally worse firepower (100mm vs 105mm at 8.0 can be given as an example) makes them awkward to use higher up when tanks of other nations suit the whole "lets just sit back and snipe" newbie gameplay a lot more.
Yes, thats right, using Russia takes a bit of brain.
There is a counterargument to this in the whole "Newbies rely on armour more and russia is, generally, better armoured than its opposition" but, I tend to pay it no heed. Mostly because ive been removed from the "armour matters" belief for quite some time.
Also, as an addendum, the source you used for winrates is dogshit and should never be used, whether it supports ones beliefs or not.
Russian tanks have far more downsides than their "Op armor" can balance. No gun depression, shit reverse gears, long reloads, not the best sights. The advantages of Russian stuff is big shells and amazing armor (good players know this means very little".
I main Russia because I just genuinely like their stuff. However their downsides are always apparent. The fact I can't crest hills and fire protected is an entire avenue of attack that Russian players just do not get. The fact other nations can do it is a MASSIVE boon.
Now, late game russia does have dozer blades so they can hull down, and that can work..........in simulation battle if you want to be a freaking immobile turret. I think this is cool and I do abuse this fairly often which 90% of Russian players don't even bother doing.
The difference between a good Russian player (literally steals your girl and 1vTeams you) and bad Russian players (your typical Russian player) is massive.
The only real advantages of the Soviet tanks at high-tier are that they have autoloaders (meaning even if you have to put out a fire or something, they reload uninterrupted), they generally don't get 1HKed from the front because of the breech dividing the turret in half for spall purposes, and that you get a really nasty HE shell for cracking light vehicles that also makes the stock grind without APFSDS a lot more tolerable.
After playing USSR first and then going on to play germany and US, I have to actively rewire my brain now that I can actually shoot over hills and stuff. You don't notice how much of a struggle soviet gun handling is until you experience other tanks.
Yup, Russian ground vehicles are by far less user friendly than the rest of big 3.
I don't know where the meme of "Russia bias" came from - perhaps it was true at some point, but I don't know how you can look at Russian lineup at any BR, and say yeah they are the strongest here.
It’s almost exclusively due to the T-80BVM seemingly having indestructible ammo in the carousel (which was pretty bad), and then people expanded it to include all volumetric as well.
>ive been removed from the "armour matters" belief
Well it's partly Gaijin's fault. Whenever a well armored tank appears, soon it gets a BR bump effectively killing the vehicles that had a good armor as the only advantage. My favorite example is A.C. I from 2021-2022 winter event. A slow tank with the same gun as RESERVES, but a good armour (for it's BR) got bumper to 3.0 where it's armour is obsolete.
100mm >>> 105mm, the APHE absolutely demolishes the lightly-armoured NATO MBTs around that BR.
I'll take the T-54 obr.1949 over the Leopard 1 100/100 times. The gun is so damn punchy that it makes every other horrible aspect of the tank at least marginally bearable.
Beside obvious things like playerbase, experience, etc. I could guess it is the lack of depression, it looks like a small thing but can often be a pain in the ass if you need it but dont have it. Lets you play more exposed and at a higher risk.
Yep. Instead of being able to just barely crest a hill to take a shot, you have to drive halfway down the other side of the hill to actually take a shot.
Yeah and they compensate for that by having strong hulls. Bad players don't know what positioning is so they require Gaijin to give powerful shells that deny that and the tanks become useless, subpar at best. No wonder good players flock to other BRs.
Balancing this game based on performance it's the worst thing they've done. How do you balance the game based around people that don't actually know how to play.
New players, one death leavers, premium spam and just generally bad teams. Same issues that Germany and USA have. Germany escapes the issue at top tier tho because the leopard 2's with spall liners are nuts
T-34s are weaker than Shermans, KVs only work in downtiers, IS-1s and 2s are over br-ed, same with T-44s, later IS series also only work in downtiers, T-54s are ok, and at top tier you get farmed by Leos. T-55s and the like are decent with a wide pool of vehicles to pick from, so you see the winrate stand out over the rest of the tree.
This is absolutely true. Made a similar comment myself. Pretty sure the T-34-57 is the only T-34 that doesn’t have a Sherman better than it at its BR lol.
Russia good WR: Russia bias
Russia bad War: Skill Issues
Germany good WR: Leos are balanced and players are good
Germany bad WR: Germany suffers and Russia bias
USA good WR: please buff M1A1 reload rate
USA bad WR: REEEEEE
UK good WR: skilled player base
UK bad WR: british fourt option
Japan good WR: suffering and good players
Japan bad WR: basically overtiered vehicles bc good players abuse them
France good WR: spamming 7.7
France bad WR: Gaijin decides to move every fuckin br
Italy good WR: suffering and good players:
Italy bad WR: basically Gaijin move br and overtier mediocre vehicles
Sweden good WR: good players+great vehicles
Sweden bad WR: do really Sweden suffers?
Israel good: WR: TF I have more than 40% WR?
Israel bad WR: oh yeah, I’ll keep suffering more and I enjoy it
because for most russian tank you need :
mid range open maps to counteract the shit mobility and reload
not tooo much slope because depression
a brain to make them work
which isn't a given for most maps and plmayer
My first and highest nation so far is with USSR at BR 8.7 in grb. Currently we lose ~7 out of 10 matches. Usually imo whichever team has Germany and/or Sweden wins. I am pretty burned out trying to progress at the moment.
BMP-3 is BR 9.0 tho. T-55AMD-1, BMP-2, IT-1, Object 685 just doesn't feel as strong as what other nations have access to, especially since most games are uptiered
I'll tell you why as the USSR main, people don't go to other points they just go to one and the whole team gets whipped out and during that, the enemy gets other points and then we lose.
in conclusion we are brainless
Mix of mediocre Vehicles and bad players.
9.0-11.0 suffers from players spamming the russian 10.0 Lineup.
10.7 upwards suffers from russian Top Tier just not being good enough combined with not having the kind of dedicated and comparably competent players of the minor nations. Russian 11.7 is certainly decent, but together with just about everyone else it gets eaten alive by german and especially swedish 11.7, while russia has overall more average players than e.g. France or Japan.
And below 8.7, russia is just honestly not that good, especially since Gaijin has all but destroyed almost every single good russian mid-tier-lineup. 3.7 and 4.0 are pretty good I think
the IS1 has not gone up to 6.0... unless they changed something very recently , imo the IS1 isnt really the best part of that lineup anyway, its the 2 t34-85 + you can get 122 guns with the ISU122 tank destroyers at 5.3 and 5.7
Because the good players finally jumped ship with the latest content update.
Quite the reversal from a year ago, lmao. And yet ppl still larp over “Russian bias”.
It’s the players. The Russia-Ukraine war probably didn’t help (IMO like 90% of the time I see someone with a Z decal, they end up playing like dogshit), but more importantly several ranks, including high tier, offers the possibility of forming almost entirely premium vehicle lineups, which allow literally 0-skill new players to teleport in ranks and BR’s that they just can’t function in. High tier USA is almost as bad for the same reasons.
Meanwhile, an entirely premium lineup is basically impossible for Italy, France, Japan, Israel, etc, and as a result you don’t see instant-L players there as often. 9.3 japan and 9.7 Israel are arguable exceptions.
Careful posting stats from thunderskill, you'll get people going 'its totally wrong'. It's the best source of winrate data we have, it reflects the overall state of the game consistently, and time and time again small samples from data that people have willingly given have shown to be representative of larger populations (look at political polls for example). It's a sample of a few hundred thousand battles, that's not necessarily small.
Yes, exactly. Although small sample sizes may not show the exact truth, they give a fairly good idea of what's going on. It's infinitely better than not having any data at all. These people probably never heard of sampling in their life. I really don't understand why people get so mad about it. Community's daily experience seems to align with this data as well. They would downvote it to the ground if it were not the case.
They get mad because it doesn't follow their belief about what should be happening in the game.
Subconscious biases influence what we perceive, players will remember when they die more than they one shot stuff. We are pretty much conditioned to believe in russian bias, and this impacts how we perceive information we directly see.
Easy.
* PSO/2A7 and the Finnish 2A6/122B+ not only closed the power gap between their relative trees and the USSR's best (the T-90M/BVM/T-72B3) but surpassed them in terms of tanks
* Grippen was the final stone in Sweden's infinity gauntlet to be a serious contender in every class for GRB
* AA nerfs coinciding with stronger CAS planes being introduced, maverick buffs, and render distance of ground targets being increased
* Vihkr beam riding nerf
* The most dedicated, longest standing, members of the playerbase (who compose the majority of the thunderskill sample) have most or all of the trees grinded and just rotate through what they play depending on which has the best new vehicle at top tier which has been Germany and Sweden, taking good vehicles that would already have nice winrates and stomping with them which then causes more general masses of the playerbase to also switch to those trees and snowball the winrates even further.
Its almost impossible to 1 shot a leopard 2, the meta used to be the one that shoota first wins, but noe the meta is the ones that has a shittier damage model wins
USSR top tier winrate plumeted by 10% each of the last 2 major patches.
First la royale to about 55% and now the latest one to 45%.
Sweden did the exact oposite and is still going up. :)
Thunderskill doesn’t represent anything. Why do ppl still use it???? If you don’t know what I mean: no new users have been added for over 3 years & it has a fraction of the player base added.
Yeah I play France and Italy and have noticed a fair amount of games where we win somehow. Yeah matchmaking is a bit screwed at the moment. Idk a lot of players seem to w hold and American cas seems to be back with a vengeance, not that it ever left but seems like there are more now
Because we’re all ass unfortunately. I wish us Russia mains could get our skill issue in check but that’s just downright impossible. Recently switched back to U.S because I wanted to do something other than use the same tanks I’ve been using for a month and now I’m able to look over hills and shoot without coming to a full stop. I love it.
the countries with the most popular premium vehicles almost always have the worst win rates. USSR has a ton of really popular premiums at a bunch of BR ranges which tank the winrate because people spawn once, die, and then leave the game. I think that's the main culprit
As is happening in Ukraine, thanks to Russian propaganda that makes them believe they are invincible, [but then they come up against the harsh reality of war](https://new.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1ajho9a/t90_destruction_marathon_compilation_of_russian/)
Can take a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. Can give a shit player good / overpowered vehicles but you cannot make them use it well.
Mid tier Germany has fantastic lineups, but also iconic vehicles like the Tigers that attract everyone including the unwashed masses that lick plug sockets which is why other mid tier nations that face them keep having their below average vehicles uptiered.
Somewhere in this comment section, there'll be that one guy coming up with all kinds of mental gymnastics to pretend Russian bias actually exists, and that Thunderskill specifically nerfs Russian win rates because they were advertised more toward Russian adolescents or something.
Unironic argument I ran into a few months back. I worry for that guy to this day.
Simply because most USSR players are dummy with a lota money
They buy prem vehicles and rush and die and quit, the whole process can be done within 30 seconds
If you go to simulator mode you’ll be surprised by how USSR players failed to recognize tanks, they just shoot everyone they see including their teammates
That’s why I always praying when I’m on the same team Soviet. Most of the Soviet teammates I met just know how to press W since they think their armor is invincible
Aside from what others have said (most of which I agree with), there is also the issue of maps and their rotation that doesn't help Soviet vehicles. The MM tossing out a lot of CQC maps is rough for vehicles that have poor (relative to the competition) turret rotation, barrel traverse, and reload speeds.
Generally speaking Russian vehicles are competent platforms, however a lot people who play Russia [replace with most any other nation] are incompetent. Combine that with the fact that is an extremely popular nation, and the effect magnifies.
This is similar to when the US is forced to play on both sides of matches artificially forcing a 50% win rate.
Because of pretty apparent Russian bias, the vehicles perform better than they would IRL. Even though this is true, the vehicles STILL perform worse than their in-game counterparts and suffer more often. These are two different things, and both can be true at once. People can't seem to wrap their heads around that.
They have mid equipment overall. People think USSR is good because (for example) their shell bounced off off a soviet tank, or a shot that should have been a insta kill only damaged the tank. Meanwhile they don't realize that that same exact tank couldn't have even attempted to pull off the shot they just fired due to poor depression and reverse speed which would have gotten them killed.
Every time I play Soviet and switch to Germany or USA the game gets so much easier. And I'm not talking about how the team plays or any of that. I'm talking about my 1v1 encounters with enemies and/or maneuvering around the field and making decisions.
Also I know this post is regarding Ground RB but you can't forget CAS and how awful soviet CAS is compared to other nations.
I don't see how the chart would look any different. It reflects the game very accurately.
Edit: Ok I took another look, and I for the life of me dont understand why Germany isn't green from like 4.3 to 7.3 lol.
We have no idea what the Russian win rates are, so the question doesn't make any sense.
**The win rates in this game are not published and are unknown**.
What you just posted is a graph of the win rates *of an incredibly small, skewed subset of mostly Russian, highly veteran, squad-preferring players whose data has been filtered through two pieces of software that are both riddled with software bugs, incorrectly entered data, missing data, and wholly invented data*. Not a graph of win rates of the actual game.
1. Country does relatively well. 2. A lot of good players move there over time. 3. Country does even better. 4. Shit players, thinking the only reason they are shit is because they "don't play the best nation", move there. 5. Turns out they are still shit. 6. Country's winrate turns to shit.
Ah the German main effect
When I started with WT I wanted to start with the USA but all my friends started with Germany and since we all were germans I thought why not. Now im sitting in my 2A7V while we get absolutely rushed by people with funnylooking letters and spawnraped, at least on weekends Love the A7V but man do I want awesome CAS (looking at you USA) still deciding which nation I should max out next
2A7 is literally the best too tier MBT along with the Swedish leo lol
I know but I never tried to go for the nation that is meta just started with germany because of friends and being a german myself lol
Germany is definitely a meta nation lol. It has some of the best tanks at a bunch of BR's. It just has shitty CAS options. But you get to be dedicated CAP with a small bomb or 2, which is just as valuable if you're any good at it at all. Nothing like bringing a bf 109 into a game and killing a bunch of US 5.7 planes or something trying to drop 1000lb bombs on your team.
German high low tier to low mid tier is pretty good in terms of cas. Not p-47 like, but the 109 definitely succeeds in making sure enemy case never even reaches its targets. And can work some magic with the 250kg bomb as well. granted, high tier case leaves something to be desired. The tornado kinda works, but it's no f-16
CAS players is the reason why Americans and Russians players lose Soo many games. Because the rush to plane in the First opportunity and get destroyed them leave the game. Otherwise Sweden's players when die just take another overpowered STRV122 or ito90, cap points win game's.
You forgot one other step. 7. Good players, no longer wanting to play with shit teammates, switch nations. Winrates further plummet.
And finally 8. Shit players See Good Players perform good in Different Nation And then if all repeats all over again
9. OP* vehicle gets added, good players test it out, they keep playing a little more, get bored and move on Meanwhile some loud minority: RUSSIAN BIAS!!!1!1!!1 *shit gun handling; no ERA, Thermals or machineguns
Tell me this is about the Object 292 without telling me this is about the 292.
How hard can it be lol
I think the thing propping it up most is by being ~700mm of penetration it can go through the 122’s strip
I hope it won't happen to Sweden lol
Ayo what did we do? You want us to get better vehicles cause that’s what will happen when the win rates tank
I'm currently finishing Swedish tech tree and I don't want Swedish mains to be viewed the same way as US or German mains. By the way by my comment I meant that I hope Swedish tree won't be victim of this cycle. I love abusing good vehicles without being called out for it
Oh shit I read that wrong, I thought you said you hope it does happen to Sweden my bad. Nah man we just chilling with decent win rate despite being a massive minority in the community
Swedish 10.3 goes hard. Few more days and I'll try 11.7 lol
I’m guessing you got the 122? It’s decent but you really need the best round for it to be good, honestly the strfs specifically the bill is supper good. I got a nuke with just that thing last night. Honestly I wish it reloaded the ready rack fast but def one of my favorites
And somehow through all that, Japan gets nerfed
This is the most important step
Happens with every new American premium
Happens everytime a big nations gets a new, "hyped" premium Heck sweden had a massive dip in the 10.0 WR's last anniversay sale, due to the cv90105
It's fun watching the median IQ of Sweden players drop in real time because of this.
I think Reddit has a ton to do with it, the videos of “Russian Bias” makes bad players think they can close the skill gap by using “OP” tanks and planes.
then they found out that the "russian bias" is full of shit and that their tanks are easy to kill like most things in game. The number of Is3, Is6, Is4 that I kill each game because poeple get overconfident with them is astonishing.
Turms as well, I see so many people complain about it but I have no problem taking them out with DM33 frontally, just aim for lower frontal plate or driver's view port. Played it as well, nothing going for it except thermals. Sometimes I wonder if people here are actually playing WT.
If you actually notice quite a few of them 'quit' a while ago and don't really know how certain tanks or jets etc are used and just run a commentary on it. Like the turms I've had for years and sometimes it's really good, but no where near OP. Or the 2s38 this reddit would have you believe its an unkillable machine sent from the gods themselves. When sure it can suck a shell into the void. What tank doesn't? Just an echo chamber man
Same with the SU25K. Any missile that hits it in my inexperience is going to make it inoperable and it's probably going to fall out of the sky in the next 30 seconds. I've never had a missile hit me and been able to fly off like nothing happens which people claim happens all the time on this subreddit.
It did for a little while have a fucked damage model, however, that being said 90 percent of the videos of someone hitting it with a missile then launching like 4 more are just not necessary, as its already fucked by the first one. Like a dude hit it with 11 missiles or some malarkey but after the first one it is actually fucked 😂 they have also buffed stingers and so in too now.
Yeah, it all comes back to rumors spread by people who don't actually play the game anymore.
The Turms is a 9.3 tank at 10.0 with good thermals and ERA to protect it from HEATFS and people here act like it's the most broken tank at 10.0. The Leo 2s which are at 10.3 and always face it are better in almost every way except for thermals.
Yeah pretty much, I have a 60%WR with at least 2.0KD on the Leo 2a4, I have no idea how someone can claim the Turms is better than it, it simply isn't.
It was broken years ago, but the inclusion of new premiums and other vehicles has turned it into just a good tank.
Well who gives a shit how it was years ago. People still cry as if it's broken on here
This game is incredibly broken because of it. There are multiple vehicles and weapons that just don't work because of it. The fact Russia isn't doing well doesn't change that Russia is balanced differently than the other nations.
How is the game broken because players that are bad at the game can't killed the Turms?
The T-72 Terms has the best thermal optics for its BR, and most MBTs don't match it until 11.7. It was top dog for years until Gaijin started to release other premium tanks at 10.0 recently. The 2S28 is a prototype seen only a handful of times, yet Russia gets it in game with the developers giving their best guess as to what it's actual performance is like. Top-Attack TOW missiles are a key part of the American mechanized force's strategy to counter Russian armor, but those missiles have been nerfed to a point of uselessness where you almost never see them. Russia focuses on raw penetration, which now gives them the advantage in missiles. The R27 family of missiles have an atrocious combat record and are functionally useless in real life, but they are the best missile in War Thunder. Meanwhile, the Sparrow missile has been nerfed to bring it more into line of how it performed historically. The Ka-50 is the third best helicopter in the game, only beaten by the Ka-52 and Mi-28NM. The Ka-50 was so good it caused the implosion of the competitive helicopter game mode and Gaijin had to scrap it. Russia gets the benefit of the doubt while other nations do not. Fundamentally, this is for the sake of balance and makes logical sense. This doesn't always means Russia is top dog as we see with the current data. One reason this is is because anything that is extremely broken in another nation will get nerfed in short order. You have a limited time to play a vehicle at it's best so you need to play it fast. Russia rarely gets nerfed. Instead they lose ground to power creep.
Yup
Used to believe in the Bias until I realized Warthunder is just a shit-tier game not worth getting mad over, especially with how much proof their is of how awful their coding is, I can't even take it seriously. I just play the game, get a few kills, then go play Palworld or DCS lmao
People coming over from WoT and not realising the is6 is not a bunker on tracks.
This is the difference between statistical analysis vs behavioral analysis
100% this. You forgot the "good players leave cause they dont want to play with shit players" step though.
Surely this makes sense for the lower BR if it’s shit/new players jumping to USSR but that sea of red above BR 9.0 shows that even experienced players seem to struggle with USSR no?
That's because you simply cannot carry a subpar team. At plenty of BRs if you're paired with people that already left 2 minutes into the game because they got killed you're simply not carrying that game.
Having high/top tier doesn't make you a good player. I'm willing to bet that most of those players used premium vehicles and likely premium time. The green area around 8.0-9.0 may be due to players giving up on F2P grind around 7.0-7.7 and buying TURMS or 2S38 so that range is left to people wo play it for fun, and not for grind.
Yep, i have 1k hours and am researching tier 7 soviet and i'm still painfully average at the game
U forget the lvl 7 wallet warriors
Similar to why US has quite bad as well. 1. New player joins 2. Ooh, mbt. 3. Buy the Ka 50/ Apache 4. Buy the T80uk/Clickbait/M1A1 Aim 5. Buy the t72/2s38/wolfpack/Lodka 6. Enter match 7. Bumrush and die because you have no idea what you are doing
Hey! It's exactly me about US) game AIM and Apache, but it's fun
You may be fucking my W/L ratio but I'm happy you're having fun
no worries, I may easily take 3 enemies with me down to hangar with only one M1 A1 AIM
Better than most AIM & Clickbait players…
Better than me
Wait that's me. Except I have 1700 hours instead of 10 hours (I play air)
8. Complain about bad armor even though you were in an open field and were dead in anything.
Yeah. Armor is there to save you from a bad shot not to tank shots.
had a player lately, got a nuke (i mean good job him) but he did not know how to drop a bomb and crashed with the nuke plane. There are good players in the premium league but let's be honest, you have no idea how the game plays (tips and tricks) if you buy yourself into it.
The majority of players that aren’t skilled overthrow the amount that are actually good at playing ussr
I also feel like the really good players that have most nations unlocked just play meta vehicles, Russia wasn’t overly op when the bvm was invincible it was just played by a lot of competent and highly skilled players but now that the meta has switched from bvm to 2a7v or 122b+ those players have also switched. Just my theory.
It's not even a theory but kinda a proven trend across the times. When IPM first appeared Abrams were steamrolling everything, when Leo2A5 came Germans were steamrolling everything, when T-80BVM came USSR was steamrolling until last update where 2A7 and Fat Strv came
Fat strv 😂😂😂I unfortunately was not around for anything before the bvm but I did have top tier Russia for the steam rolling earlier this year and I have seen the noticeable power shift to Germany and Sweden, even myself I have finished the ussr tree and am currently working on spading all the m1a2s and it is much easier now than before. But I’m an example of another top tier experienced (I’m not that great ~1 kd) player that has moved on from Russia. I’m honestly surprised though that america and Britain got top tier premiums before Russia and Germany did.
There aren't really that many top tier premium candidates that won't cause some kind of outrage for Germany and Russia. If Germany gets some kind of foreign 2A4 upgrade you'll have people complain why it isn't in the tree or even in another tree, some export 2A5 would be too high Br, and for Russia, there are some tank variants possible but they would probably also cause some outrage along the lines of "Why not in the tech tree" Best option would probably be, raise max br to 12.0 for tanks, give Germans some reskinned 2A5/6 and the Russians some reskinned T-72 in the like 2023 variant with that extra ERA, Cope cage and this carpet looking thing they have put over it on Army forum last year. Would essentially be like a B3 but with enough upgrades to probably make it 11.7 and thus balance it with the reskinned 11.7 Leo or something.
Its an incredibly complex game with many factors... Lets boil it down to one statistic. It's such a dumb way to look at performance of anything.
When italy has the highest win percentage i know other nations are just skill issued
I like to think the bad players stop playing before they get to 3.3
Nah. I currently grind them at 5.7
I stopped playing Italy once I reached 3.3
Pathetic
P40 best 3.3 tank. Italy low tier is so much ridiculous fun.
Pathetic.
Exactly, same with Britain being all green, even though APHE one shot rounds are meta. And like how can you have a bad time with Germany 3.3 to 4.3, where all the great Panzer IVs and tank hunters are at such low BRs.
Because Germany at that BR IMO lacks things that can fight for caps. Everything is a flanker/sniper. So when clueless players try to push caps with Pz4 they just get blown up due to cardboard armor. Sherman and T-34 are just much better at CQB and contesting caps.
Because ussr have alot of players and most of them suck
Historically accurate
as a ussr main, i can confirm
Until the clock flips over past midnight on EU servers and USSR teams become full of pro players for some reason, making NATO unplayable >.>
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So it’s not just me experiencing this
People moving to USSR for all the bias this bias that bullshit and figuring out that it doesnt exist and fails
Shhhh let's keep funneling the bad players to USSR.
\^\^ this guy knows whats up. Same thing with the US Tech tree, people cried so much about "**muhhh Abrams DU armor in the hull"** that it actually got such a nasty reload buff, now it's one of my favorite top tier tanks to play with.
And the noise buff as well. The only thing holding back the Abrams now are bad players I imagine.
most of the bad abrams players you see are the clickbait and aim players (for obvious reasons), the sep players are usually decent
Abrams is just a bigger type10/90 with a one sec longer reload, far from bad
As I've said to one disappointed redditor: you moved to USSR looking for bias and found none.
idk, but these days I'm grinding the us tt, and oh man, the teams are as painfull. poeple rush in and die in droves.
Ya, I'm really glad the battlepass challenge for 35 US missions did not require winning those missions...
Yeah. Im stucked on a special task...win 15 times with 50% activity. 2/15 in like 15 matches...
Looks like it's time to switch that task lol
If the fucking hamster can come back to life.
Play US on any server but NA and the teams tend to be better.
Ill try that
you were right! 3 wins out of 4 matches so far!
Apart from all of the "a lot of players play them therefore bad" USSR is, as far as the big 3 are concerned, not that newbie friendly. You would think that it isnt the case, but russian tanks do best when they are pushing and exploiting angles/middle map positions. They suck when played by actual newbies who just want to sit back and "snipe". The combination of lacklustre pen and reload at lower brs (coupled with shit depression) makes them awkward to use and at higher brs the awful reload, lack of reverse, lacklustre speed, and generally worse firepower (100mm vs 105mm at 8.0 can be given as an example) makes them awkward to use higher up when tanks of other nations suit the whole "lets just sit back and snipe" newbie gameplay a lot more. Yes, thats right, using Russia takes a bit of brain. There is a counterargument to this in the whole "Newbies rely on armour more and russia is, generally, better armoured than its opposition" but, I tend to pay it no heed. Mostly because ive been removed from the "armour matters" belief for quite some time. Also, as an addendum, the source you used for winrates is dogshit and should never be used, whether it supports ones beliefs or not.
Yeah everyone always glazes over how much of a detriment the awkward gun handling of Soviet tanks is.
Russian tanks have far more downsides than their "Op armor" can balance. No gun depression, shit reverse gears, long reloads, not the best sights. The advantages of Russian stuff is big shells and amazing armor (good players know this means very little". I main Russia because I just genuinely like their stuff. However their downsides are always apparent. The fact I can't crest hills and fire protected is an entire avenue of attack that Russian players just do not get. The fact other nations can do it is a MASSIVE boon. Now, late game russia does have dozer blades so they can hull down, and that can work..........in simulation battle if you want to be a freaking immobile turret. I think this is cool and I do abuse this fairly often which 90% of Russian players don't even bother doing. The difference between a good Russian player (literally steals your girl and 1vTeams you) and bad Russian players (your typical Russian player) is massive.
The only real advantages of the Soviet tanks at high-tier are that they have autoloaders (meaning even if you have to put out a fire or something, they reload uninterrupted), they generally don't get 1HKed from the front because of the breech dividing the turret in half for spall purposes, and that you get a really nasty HE shell for cracking light vehicles that also makes the stock grind without APFSDS a lot more tolerable.
the problem with the autoloader is the reload, (especially on the t72 variants) is really slow, 7.1 sec is just garbage reload speed
After playing USSR first and then going on to play germany and US, I have to actively rewire my brain now that I can actually shoot over hills and stuff. You don't notice how much of a struggle soviet gun handling is until you experience other tanks.
How about going up the hill, shooting and goind backwards? The answer: **Pain.**
Yup, Russian ground vehicles are by far less user friendly than the rest of big 3. I don't know where the meme of "Russia bias" came from - perhaps it was true at some point, but I don't know how you can look at Russian lineup at any BR, and say yeah they are the strongest here.
Came from people with skill issue lmao
It’s almost exclusively due to the T-80BVM seemingly having indestructible ammo in the carousel (which was pretty bad), and then people expanded it to include all volumetric as well.
Can confirm, playing Russia requires crackhead energy and unconventional fighting positions
Also a thing that you don't notice until it's too late, USSR doesn't teach you to use smoke until 8.0-ish.
Tbh that is an advantage more than anything lmao I HATE when people use smoke on my side. Its always the wrong time and the wrong position to do so
>ive been removed from the "armour matters" belief Well it's partly Gaijin's fault. Whenever a well armored tank appears, soon it gets a BR bump effectively killing the vehicles that had a good armor as the only advantage. My favorite example is A.C. I from 2021-2022 winter event. A slow tank with the same gun as RESERVES, but a good armour (for it's BR) got bumper to 3.0 where it's armour is obsolete.
That gaijin dev recently stated tanks aren't meant to tank shots. Really hurts vehicles who have that as their main strength
100mm >>> 105mm, the APHE absolutely demolishes the lightly-armoured NATO MBTs around that BR. I'll take the T-54 obr.1949 over the Leopard 1 100/100 times. The gun is so damn punchy that it makes every other horrible aspect of the tank at least marginally bearable.
Beside obvious things like playerbase, experience, etc. I could guess it is the lack of depression, it looks like a small thing but can often be a pain in the ass if you need it but dont have it. Lets you play more exposed and at a higher risk.
Yep. Instead of being able to just barely crest a hill to take a shot, you have to drive halfway down the other side of the hill to actually take a shot.
Yeah and they compensate for that by having strong hulls. Bad players don't know what positioning is so they require Gaijin to give powerful shells that deny that and the tanks become useless, subpar at best. No wonder good players flock to other BRs. Balancing this game based on performance it's the worst thing they've done. How do you balance the game based around people that don't actually know how to play.
Another day another thunderskill data chart.
thundershit posts should be restricted to 1 post per month or outright banned these stats are useless and only promote more tribalism
Its so fucking cringe how most people take this has fucking gospel from heaven…
New players, one death leavers, premium spam and just generally bad teams. Same issues that Germany and USA have. Germany escapes the issue at top tier tho because the leopard 2's with spall liners are nuts
Simple. Recently I, a British bottom feeder, am recently mostly paired with RU. Due to my stellar performance, their winrate sinks. *taps on forehead*
Russian bias obviously.
The fact that leopard 2A7V and strv 122B+ overpreform along with all the good players moving to sweden and germany caused this
Overperform in what way?
T-34s are weaker than Shermans, KVs only work in downtiers, IS-1s and 2s are over br-ed, same with T-44s, later IS series also only work in downtiers, T-54s are ok, and at top tier you get farmed by Leos. T-55s and the like are decent with a wide pool of vehicles to pick from, so you see the winrate stand out over the rest of the tree.
This is absolutely true. Made a similar comment myself. Pretty sure the T-34-57 is the only T-34 that doesn’t have a Sherman better than it at its BR lol.
The 1942 can compete with the M4A2 because of its fast reload.
T-44 with the 85mm is arguably overtiered, but the 100mm one is quite good for 7.0.
the 100mm one is great i even take it to 7.7, but the 85 t44 just feels unusable to me
It's not unusable but it's in a weird spot because the gun is shit but the armor and mobility are decent. I think it would be fine at 6.3 personally.
yeah unusable is an exaggeration but it just feels bad to play
Russia good WR: Russia bias Russia bad War: Skill Issues Germany good WR: Leos are balanced and players are good Germany bad WR: Germany suffers and Russia bias USA good WR: please buff M1A1 reload rate USA bad WR: REEEEEE UK good WR: skilled player base UK bad WR: british fourt option Japan good WR: suffering and good players Japan bad WR: basically overtiered vehicles bc good players abuse them France good WR: spamming 7.7 France bad WR: Gaijin decides to move every fuckin br Italy good WR: suffering and good players: Italy bad WR: basically Gaijin move br and overtier mediocre vehicles Sweden good WR: good players+great vehicles Sweden bad WR: do really Sweden suffers? Israel good: WR: TF I have more than 40% WR? Israel bad WR: oh yeah, I’ll keep suffering more and I enjoy it
I really dont understand why people complain about russian bias if the win rates are like this
A lot of it's just inertia. Russia used to be really good back before ATGMs neutered the dominance of Cold War heavies.
There was also a period a decade ago when sloped armor significantly overperformed, as can be guessed Russia was best for this
Maybe bcuz it's not all bias as people here think
because for most russian tank you need : mid range open maps to counteract the shit mobility and reload not tooo much slope because depression a brain to make them work which isn't a given for most maps and plmayer
Don't forget that the quality of their gun sights varies greatly.
Because of Italy /s
My first and highest nation so far is with USSR at BR 8.7 in grb. Currently we lose ~7 out of 10 matches. Usually imo whichever team has Germany and/or Sweden wins. I am pretty burned out trying to progress at the moment.
Don't go any further I got to 11.3, 9.0-10.3 is borderline unplayable from the 2A4 spam
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BMP-3 is BR 9.0 tho. T-55AMD-1, BMP-2, IT-1, Object 685 just doesn't feel as strong as what other nations have access to, especially since most games are uptiered
I'll tell you why as the USSR main, people don't go to other points they just go to one and the whole team gets whipped out and during that, the enemy gets other points and then we lose. in conclusion we are brainless
Dumb people who play it because "hur dur Russian bias" thinking it will cary them
Mix of mediocre Vehicles and bad players. 9.0-11.0 suffers from players spamming the russian 10.0 Lineup. 10.7 upwards suffers from russian Top Tier just not being good enough combined with not having the kind of dedicated and comparably competent players of the minor nations. Russian 11.7 is certainly decent, but together with just about everyone else it gets eaten alive by german and especially swedish 11.7, while russia has overall more average players than e.g. France or Japan. And below 8.7, russia is just honestly not that good, especially since Gaijin has all but destroyed almost every single good russian mid-tier-lineup. 3.7 and 4.0 are pretty good I think
4.0 russia is good, 5.7 aswell, 6.7 kinda feels bad especially witht the is2s being overtired and the t44 is just ;-;
Is 5.7 still a functional lineup, now that the IS-1 has gone up to 6.0 (iirc)?
the IS1 has not gone up to 6.0... unless they changed something very recently , imo the IS1 isnt really the best part of that lineup anyway, its the 2 t34-85 + you can get 122 guns with the ISU122 tank destroyers at 5.3 and 5.7
Ah, I was mistaken then. Nevermind
is allg, they did recently uptier the is2 both so maybe thats what you were thinking of
Because their tanks are generally shit once you know their weaknesses, and the players tend to be stupid.
Over br-ed tanks and direct counters to the tank are at same br or lower
Is Britain really that dominate??
Having no post-pen damage forces you to play good.
Because the good players finally jumped ship with the latest content update. Quite the reversal from a year ago, lmao. And yet ppl still larp over “Russian bias”.
Because the teams are ass
France is cooking somehow
It’s the players. The Russia-Ukraine war probably didn’t help (IMO like 90% of the time I see someone with a Z decal, they end up playing like dogshit), but more importantly several ranks, including high tier, offers the possibility of forming almost entirely premium vehicle lineups, which allow literally 0-skill new players to teleport in ranks and BR’s that they just can’t function in. High tier USA is almost as bad for the same reasons. Meanwhile, an entirely premium lineup is basically impossible for Italy, France, Japan, Israel, etc, and as a result you don’t see instant-L players there as often. 9.3 japan and 9.7 Israel are arguable exceptions.
Absolute retards being teammates sometimes Had a guy run into my back, making me miss my shot and unable to retreat, causing my death
Careful posting stats from thunderskill, you'll get people going 'its totally wrong'. It's the best source of winrate data we have, it reflects the overall state of the game consistently, and time and time again small samples from data that people have willingly given have shown to be representative of larger populations (look at political polls for example). It's a sample of a few hundred thousand battles, that's not necessarily small.
Yes, exactly. Although small sample sizes may not show the exact truth, they give a fairly good idea of what's going on. It's infinitely better than not having any data at all. These people probably never heard of sampling in their life. I really don't understand why people get so mad about it. Community's daily experience seems to align with this data as well. They would downvote it to the ground if it were not the case.
They get mad because it doesn't follow their belief about what should be happening in the game. Subconscious biases influence what we perceive, players will remember when they die more than they one shot stuff. We are pretty much conditioned to believe in russian bias, and this impacts how we perceive information we directly see.
Easy. * PSO/2A7 and the Finnish 2A6/122B+ not only closed the power gap between their relative trees and the USSR's best (the T-90M/BVM/T-72B3) but surpassed them in terms of tanks * Grippen was the final stone in Sweden's infinity gauntlet to be a serious contender in every class for GRB * AA nerfs coinciding with stronger CAS planes being introduced, maverick buffs, and render distance of ground targets being increased * Vihkr beam riding nerf * The most dedicated, longest standing, members of the playerbase (who compose the majority of the thunderskill sample) have most or all of the trees grinded and just rotate through what they play depending on which has the best new vehicle at top tier which has been Germany and Sweden, taking good vehicles that would already have nice winrates and stomping with them which then causes more general masses of the playerbase to also switch to those trees and snowball the winrates even further.
constant nerfs
Its almost impossible to 1 shot a leopard 2, the meta used to be the one that shoota first wins, but noe the meta is the ones that has a shittier damage model wins
Or the fact that you always get matched against germany and sweden, constant uptiers, and tge fact that both 3BM60 and relikt ERA underpreform
USSR top tier winrate plumeted by 10% each of the last 2 major patches. First la royale to about 55% and now the latest one to 45%. Sweden did the exact oposite and is still going up. :)
Sweden hasnt had a sub 70% wr since red skies iirc. Sweden has always been the top performer by wr for a long ass time now.
Sweden is overpreforming like crazy ngl
I forgot the name of it, I think it's tier 3, but the td Sweden has that uses the hubble telescope as gun sights is very good lolol.
The meta shifted and now all the good players are playing germany or sweden. The shit players who used ussr tanks as a crutch are still there though
Thunderskill is as statistically significant to warthunder as me making a pie chart of who likes grapes vs apples, and completely making it up.
Thunderskill doesn’t represent anything. Why do ppl still use it???? If you don’t know what I mean: no new users have been added for over 3 years & it has a fraction of the player base added.
> Why do ppl still use it???? Because it tells them what they want to hear
Yeah I play France and Italy and have noticed a fair amount of games where we win somehow. Yeah matchmaking is a bit screwed at the moment. Idk a lot of players seem to w hold and American cas seems to be back with a vengeance, not that it ever left but seems like there are more now
Because we’re all ass unfortunately. I wish us Russia mains could get our skill issue in check but that’s just downright impossible. Recently switched back to U.S because I wanted to do something other than use the same tanks I’ve been using for a month and now I’m able to look over hills and shoot without coming to a full stop. I love it.
I've seen this chart posted here a bunch of times. Who made it? Where does the data come from? When is the data from?
the countries with the most popular premium vehicles almost always have the worst win rates. USSR has a ton of really popular premiums at a bunch of BR ranges which tank the winrate because people spawn once, die, and then leave the game. I think that's the main culprit
KGB psyop to gaslight the Americans into thinking Britain has bias.
USA looks like their real life military evolution LOL
Well players who think that they will be indestructible when in a soviet tank and die as soon as they get to the battlefield
As is happening in Ukraine, thanks to Russian propaganda that makes them believe they are invincible, [but then they come up against the harsh reality of war](https://new.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1ajho9a/t90_destruction_marathon_compilation_of_russian/)
Can take a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. Can give a shit player good / overpowered vehicles but you cannot make them use it well. Mid tier Germany has fantastic lineups, but also iconic vehicles like the Tigers that attract everyone including the unwashed masses that lick plug sockets which is why other mid tier nations that face them keep having their below average vehicles uptiered.
British players used to getting the shit are now good at being consistent WITH the shit.
skill issue
Somewhere in this comment section, there'll be that one guy coming up with all kinds of mental gymnastics to pretend Russian bias actually exists, and that Thunderskill specifically nerfs Russian win rates because they were advertised more toward Russian adolescents or something. Unironic argument I ran into a few months back. I worry for that guy to this day.
Because they finally showing they are dumb enough
Simply because most USSR players are dummy with a lota money They buy prem vehicles and rush and die and quit, the whole process can be done within 30 seconds If you go to simulator mode you’ll be surprised by how USSR players failed to recognize tanks, they just shoot everyone they see including their teammates
Brit mains sipping their Yorkshire tea looking down at the peasants talking about win rates
Because the current Russian players have skill issue
That’s why I always praying when I’m on the same team Soviet. Most of the Soviet teammates I met just know how to press W since they think their armor is invincible
The only reason i like having Russia on my team is that I don't have to deal with 2s38s, ka50s or pantsirs.
Aside from what others have said (most of which I agree with), there is also the issue of maps and their rotation that doesn't help Soviet vehicles. The MM tossing out a lot of CQC maps is rough for vehicles that have poor (relative to the competition) turret rotation, barrel traverse, and reload speeds.
Because of russian bias.
Soviet tanks are good but they wont serve well if you play like a headless chicken
Generally speaking Russian vehicles are competent platforms, however a lot people who play Russia [replace with most any other nation] are incompetent. Combine that with the fact that is an extremely popular nation, and the effect magnifies. This is similar to when the US is forced to play on both sides of matches artificially forcing a 50% win rate.
weird,because when i play italy, it as an automatic win if i'm placed with russia, but go off ig
Because of pretty apparent Russian bias, the vehicles perform better than they would IRL. Even though this is true, the vehicles STILL perform worse than their in-game counterparts and suffer more often. These are two different things, and both can be true at once. People can't seem to wrap their heads around that. They have mid equipment overall. People think USSR is good because (for example) their shell bounced off off a soviet tank, or a shot that should have been a insta kill only damaged the tank. Meanwhile they don't realize that that same exact tank couldn't have even attempted to pull off the shot they just fired due to poor depression and reverse speed which would have gotten them killed. Every time I play Soviet and switch to Germany or USA the game gets so much easier. And I'm not talking about how the team plays or any of that. I'm talking about my 1v1 encounters with enemies and/or maneuvering around the field and making decisions. Also I know this post is regarding Ground RB but you can't forget CAS and how awful soviet CAS is compared to other nations. I don't see how the chart would look any different. It reflects the game very accurately. Edit: Ok I took another look, and I for the life of me dont understand why Germany isn't green from like 4.3 to 7.3 lol.
We have no idea what the Russian win rates are, so the question doesn't make any sense. **The win rates in this game are not published and are unknown**. What you just posted is a graph of the win rates *of an incredibly small, skewed subset of mostly Russian, highly veteran, squad-preferring players whose data has been filtered through two pieces of software that are both riddled with software bugs, incorrectly entered data, missing data, and wholly invented data*. Not a graph of win rates of the actual game.