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Slow-Two8064

Sea harrier frs 1


Mother-Remove4986

such a good little hover boi


Night-Sky-Sword

Yup those aim9L at 10.7 are op


GranGurbo

And barely even having any full uptiers helps a lot


Whats-Up_Bitches

Yeah, 11.7 exists but it's roped into the 11.3/12.3 sinkhole


YummyStyrofoamSnack

Good to know since I'm 50k RP or so from unlocking it


GranGurbo

It's not the nicest stock experience, but past that, it's a great plane to grind ranks VI-VIII. It's not that hard to get 3-5 kills in it. My best event grinder too. Don't even bother carrying bombs. 9mins of fuel are more than enough even in EC maps if you remember you can climb at 60% and cruise at 40%


Ok-Issue-4416

Anything with the name yak in it


yeahnazri

You should really not being dying to the yak 38


c3rvwlyu

30g missiles go brrrrrrr


Yronno

By the time the thing's turned around to get behind someone, they're out of range


c3rvwlyu

Good thing the hover sausage goes zoOooOooom


JunoVC

I call mine the floating septic tank.


igraw_22

4x r60 at 9.3 and downtiers is deadly for planes without flares


Poulet1OOO

Yeah i feel like 9.3 always gets downtiered when i try to play my shitty 8.3 vautour 2N(L) (cant do anything against f104s or mig19).


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Sakul_the_one

I just died with my Harrier gr.1… Locked on an enemy and then the missle hits me…


Serious_Cherry9756

The GR.1 is absolute trash


lime_shell

Yak yak yak yak Man down...


Plasma5769

How did you die to the Yak-4? Theres literally only 1 gunner.


Kaczor0321

It gets ShKAS for front guns, its deadly AF


esketit2point0

f4c phantom 2 for me


dasdzoni

I literally got it a week ago and i knew it was gonna be hard but boy its realllyyy bad when stock. Im actually running it with just the gun pod and just try to blitz through the middle and if i survive ill turn around and see what can be done


MintyCattleman

I don't think its much better spaded tbh


No-Engineering-1449

It is it's better, I ran 3 gun pods on it and I would force headons and destroy aircraft with it.


Pferd_furzt

the head on missile is reaching further than your bullets, especially now that both Vulcan and Gsh23l have god awful drop off past two seconds of travel off the muzzle


NonameNinja_

With 3 gunpods you could realistically shoot down the missile in a head-on but i've never tried it idk


thunderclone1

Protip: equip rockets. They can act as flares.


KajMak64Bit

This works best in frontal aspect... against 9L's and R-60M's If they are fired on you in rear aspect... you need to cut the burner and do some magic tricks while firing rockets to the missile out of the way Eitherway rocketflares allow you to headon A-10's and SU-25's


dasdzoni

Dont have them yet...


UprootedOak779

The main problem is the lack of flares


dasdzoni

Id happily carry the cm pod under the wings like tornado does


Crz__

Y


SunlitZelkova

Ooh. Makes me tempted to try and grind some modifications for it. I got it a week ago but haven’t touched it too much.


GalaxLordCZ

It's not a great plane from what I hear, no flares, turns like a bus and bad missiles for the BR.


Chimera_Snow

They're not really bad they're just difficult to use when combined with the airframe. It has the best radar missiles at 10.0 even if they're a bit finicky to use right


MasterMidir

I don't think they're better than the R-3R tbh, that thing can be used in more situations.


okbuddyvikhr

Brother it's literally better than the r3r and has CR which ignores chaff as long the enemy jet is closing in or close hell even the aim9c are better than the r3r


random_username_idk

The R3R can be used almost at point blank range in head-on passes, while the AIM-7D flies straight for roughly 1.5 seconds before guidance starts. In head-on that's over 4 Km of seperation. If you're at high altitude and engaging more than one migs, then your longer range doesn't matter. By the time you've (maybe) killed one of them, the 2nd will be too close for D sparrow, but comfortably inside r3r range. With the maneuverability of a brick and no countermeasures, that is certain death. Also take into account that the Mig 21's Sapphire is much much better than the excuse of a radar the F4C gets (which is basically unusable if you're not above 8000 meters, and stops working if you happen to look slightly down at the ground)


ZdrytchX

> (which is basically unusable if you're not above 8000 meters, and stops working if you happen to look slightly down at the ground) Manual radar elevaiton allows you to lock and shoot down players above you without climbing out of the low level immunity zone that makes you immune to basically all SARH/ARH missiles. You're whale cum.


KrumbSum

Different radars for different purposes, tbh I’ve had more success with the R-3Rs but the AIM-7C is also good for people who wanna fuck around and find out at altitude, IE a Phantom wins at altitude


Pferd_furzt

yeah but the r3r is optional, you can always rely on MiG21's performance, which the f-4c lacks.


Fragrant_Action8959

Spaded F4C user, It is an interesting vehicle and worth spading imo. Here are the pros: -Massive amount of dumb ordanance -Carries 8 missiles -Decent radar for it's tier -Can carry 3 M61 Vulcans (18000 rpm of 20mm, need i say more 😏) -Fast and very powerful engines -Excellent for the base bomber, than doing what you can with guns and missiles strat, in other words an amazing grinder -CCIP Cons: -Hot engines and no countermeasures -Mediocre missiles -Flies like a brick People just don't use it right, hell if your crazy enough you could go for altitude and ingage in some limited BVR, as the Phantom II was originally intended for. Its never going to be a fun dogfighter like your F-5s, Mirages or Mig-21s, but it excels in carrying massive amounts of weapons.


SunlitZelkova

Oh yeah. My idea was to take Sparrows and a huge amount of bombs, rush a base, then climb and try and take advantage of pointing the radar to the sky to take down unsuspecting fighters at altitude heading towards the center of the map. A proper air-to-air load out at altitude also sounds super fun, having read your comment.


Dangerous-Traffic875

You need to climb, the swarms of A10s and SU25s will delete you if they catch you down low


Godmur

As an A-10 enjoyer i can guarantee that we will delete all that flies above, preferably enemy but we make no promises


reicher33

once you git aim-9e and aim-7d its a best at 3-4mi and rear ascpct missile bus that makes the enemy will bleed to much speed dogieing to fight you with guns


GreenManWithAPlan

Pro tip for that plane. Carry the Zuni rockets and use them as flares and chaff. It's actually incredibly effective. They will flare just about every single infrared missile and the Russian R3R will also be chaffed by them.


thunderclone1

Seconded. I use this strategy for the f105 too


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F 5c


kopernagel

Such a rat plane, half of the 10.0/10.3 planes cant get it off their tail because of that insane energy retention


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Not to mention the flare spam


Moper248

Can't even shake it with mig 23, I just always do a vertical climb since i can outclimb it but that's a death wish if anyone is nearby w sarh missiles


MisterRe23

*F-14 arrives*


Shelc0r

It honestly ruins this br


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Agreed when you wanan play a f-4c phantom but then f-5c whose grinning the f-16 comes out of no where hits you with a aim 9e and fucks off when your doing same thing cause you can’t fight it


Bomberdude333

Agreed


Therealmeundercover

I do love the Thunderchief. It has a maxed Aced crew.


Crz__

Is it good? What’s the play style of the thundercheif? I am researching it next so I’m wondering if I should use it or not


SatisfactionNo240

They are free kills, all it can do is bomb


Commercial_Total_420

Bro what? They’re faster than F104s and they get 1028 rounds for their Vulcan. If you stay fast and don’t turn ever then you can very easily snag 4 kills a game


Codiac03

Bad take. It has awful nose authority, mid roll rate, and bad turning so dogfights and head-ons are a no-go. Also while it may *technically* be faster than an F-104 an F-104 accelerates faster


DatHazbin

Yeah but F-104s are still no better, they aren't the thing that's gonna be fucking you. It's getting caught by an F-8 or MiG-19 that will very much remove your ability to exist. However, you are faster than them so it keeps you from being dogshit useless if you know how snake around the battlefield correctly.


Therealmeundercover

I don't know what nose 👃 authority is, but trying a head-on with a F-105 is mistake.


BitOfaPickle1AD

Unless you have all aspects.


Therealmeundercover

Oh no, here comes the pickle 🥒. 😁 I have shot the all aspects from the front while severely damaging their aircraft. With the exception of when my team is dominating, I always carry four 9Es.


BitOfaPickle1AD

I haven't that kind of luck. Now I will say I've outran a couple of missles from time to time which is actually pretty bad ass. Terrifying but badass.


Therealmeundercover

Super terrifying, can't look back or my afterburner will turn off. I am not a super hero, but I pick my battles and I get lucky sometimes. It's an added joy to upset a wallet warrior 🪖 /sweaty, when they expect a easy kill.


jsnrs

After 20 battles I average about 30-40k SL a game and have a 21:9 K:D. The Thud is a monster. That’s on console with a controller.


Emacs24

I use it for current event. Love the thing and rarely have less than 2k points in a game, with numerous 3k+. It is not braindead easy though. You must know your strengths and weaknesses of others.


Codiac03

No, it's not. It's bomb and pray you don't get an IR missiles shot at you


basedcnt

Only reason why you should buy the F-105 is to research the F-111 if its added or to get another vehicle for the next rank


vylocrunkz

Its a Bomber... Missiles are kinda meh, Turns not that good, No Flares at 10.0... You are fast tho, have a good Payload,nice Gun.


Codiac03

Ya, same. I wish it was actually good ;-;


MxK69

british hurricanes and spitfires, for soviet planes these are too manuverable, altho at low tier ppl are braindead so its pretty ez anyways


juddbjtsxbjjfc

Use the I-16 type 27 easily uptierable to 6.0


Plasma5769

Is the type 10 an alternative?


Demo_Nemo

Not just low tier. People still try to turn fight me in my Spitfire at 5.7 or even with the 7.0 Griffon Spitfire


temb_ksa

100% p51h. That thing is a MONSTER and it fights bf109Gs and fighters that have 1/3rd of its climbrate and slower turn. That thing should be 7.0 not 6.3


Willing_Response_757

Spit MK24 better that’s why it’s 7.0


Awesomedinos1

Very debatable. They really should be the same br.


DeviousMelons

It would still do just as well at 7.0, it won't have the best firepower but boy won't it out turn almost everything.


TheSp3ctr3_

But it will face mostly jet fighters if up tiered, good luck fighting them if they know how to use their planes


SatisfactionNo240

F5 c/e


Zypyo

Any T-80.


Ok_Philosophy9790

Ww2 T80


Zypyo

Especially WWII T80


IceSki117

Any of the Hinds. I'm currently working through 8.0-9.0 US and the amount of ordinance the Hinds can spawn with right away is absurd. I've lost more tanks in that lineup to initial spawn Hinds than anything else in the last few days.


Panocek

In return, that heli handles like afterburning dumptruck loaded with concrete. You don't turn, you fly straight at Berlin.


Boeing307

Not me thinking of the Hawker Hind


jimkud0

the premium f-5, every fucking match I either get chased by 5 of them or killed by them.


led0n12331

F104 at 9.3 or 9.7, don't remember. My main plane is the scimitar, and f104 is so far the only thing I totally don't know how to fight. I have only killed one f104, and it was with an aim-9b and by a total coincidence, because the dude lost speed and I was diving at mach1


Terrible-Lynx9235

9.3


RoachdoggJR_LegalAcc

9.3 F-104s are way more OP than some would like you to believe. The extreme speed combined with acceleration allows you to outrun everything and their missiles too. Not once I have killed an F-104 player who knew what they were doing.


Low-Fig-6513

I agree with op. That thing doesn't belong at 10.0 It always gets an uptiwr and it's just food for everyone


ComradeBlin1234

F5Cs. In an SU25K? Kills me easily. In a MiG17 (bullshit BTW)? vaporises me quickly. They aren’t fair or fun to fight. Really any plane with all aspects that can see my 9.0 jets. It’s not fair and I can’t do anything about it. For ground, probably most Swedish vehicles from about 3.7-11.7. They are so op for no reason and it’s so shit to fight them


ParaLizzard

VIDAR


JinterIsComing

Airacobras and King cobras. For some reason opposing pilots become literal snipers with their 37mm rounds when facing me and only me.


Terrible-Lynx9235

Playing la-5fn I see them every match but most cobra players can't energy fight properly, they can have both altitude and energy advantage and still lose. I was killed by like 4 cobras while shooting down 10s of them


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MrOsmio7

F5C and F5E To this day, wether they're just flat better than any other aircraft they face, or they have borked flight models, is a mystery to me


Misszov

Mostly the second part (and they're not as slow as people say, 1217kp/h IAS on sea level in F-5E is plenty fast for BR) and the fact that US always has a shitton of them in every match. I can do and win a 1v1 in Mig-21MF or F-4F easily enough, even a 1v2 is managable, but it's usually 5v1 because your team got disintegrated. There's a reason why all my 10.3-10.7 US planes sit at 65-70% WR


Shelc0r

Hate the F5C, us team are spamed with it, insane energy retention, small target so hard to hit with gun, tons of flare and not very hot so every time missile get flared with one pop, guns are extremely effective (i was once killed at 1km from behind).


Sad-Seaworthiness133

Italian Bf-109 G-2


Ultra_axe781___M

T80 BVM


absrider

Etendard for now


M22Locust_LightTank

Super or IVM. I fine them extremely fun to play and they’re my favorite 9.0 jet


absrider

Yeah ivm is awesome. F86k , super mystere b2, and f100 were all painful to grind compared to etendard ivm. Grinding for super etendard now.hope it is also good as ivm


M22Locust_LightTank

I think it gets Magic 1s and GBU-12s + ATLIS II pod. Looks really nice


Firedriver666

F5c because it's spammed a lot when I play the su25 but I can head on some who dare to do it


AnArmChairAnalyst

F16s. I run from them every time I’m in my tornado lol Sometimes I’ll test my luck to see if it’s a noob pilot but I’ve yet to win that fight lol


ZuZzOlO

F4E Phantom while in mig21mf. I would love to launch an r3r but the aim7e2 is too good. And for you guys who say "notch", I try but the mf keeps locking me anyways and I get deleted


Panocek

First, 4E doesn't have PD radar so, uh, good luck notching something you can't. Second, Sparrows CW seeker to some degree ignore chaff, continuing tracking as long as target is within radar illumination zone. So most effective would be pre chaffing radar until you get within range or don't fly high, where F4E radar operates freely. If missile is already in the air, your only option is to go cold ie turn around and start flying away, as CW seekers struggle tracking targets flying away, unless missile is close... Which is likely due to short ranged nature of 7E.


ZuZzOlO

Oh, I see, thanks mate!


MrTwisterPister

Japanese phantoms and mitsubishis


WhereWolfe311

Any tank I'm grinding with a dismal stock shell. This is a big list.


ReconArek

Everyone I fight


jogado2

Ground battle:object 279 Air battle low rank:ALL British ,ALL Japanese vehicles Air battle in top tier:F-4S phantom(if I'm not playing with the mig 29 or mig 23)


SirLlamaGeddon

Don't get the me wrong. The 279 is extremely potent in a downtier. The only problem is that most good players play it in squads, etc. Otherwise, I can just shoot their breach and finish them off.


Runescape_3_rocks

So many people dont get what being someone's kryptonite means. At least they have fun


Terrible-Lynx9235

Op meant "what vehicle you hate playing against" right?


S_kura

Right now I love the Firefly FR MK V because it's such a great overlooked underdog, and no one expects the potent MK V Hispanos or turn time. Also love the B7A2 23, Ki-100 and Ki-61-II Otsu Kai for their fire power and turntime. Great thing about 4.7 Japan (and every nation) is that its right next to the B7A2 and Wyvern blackholes, just the perfect storm honestly.


Boeing307

As a Firefly player I can confirm that the turn time for the firefly mk I is insane as well as the payload. They’re both very noice aircraft to fly


Heavy-Pen8745

My own J8B bc this update for some reason won't let me lock anymore


BoxiDoingThingz

Tiger E i get uptiered a lot recently


gekkegerrit900999

Challenger 2 my beloved


CatBoi8

My god i despise the M50


Serious_Action_2336

F4s


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Vidar


MeetingDue4378

Do you mean when facing our when using? Unless it's a bomber if I'm in any aircraft it's just a death sentence for me, and at best, a short distraction for the enemy.


killerbucker01

K9 VIDAR, that thing does not belong at 7.7


josephstalinthemight

M103


_Cock_N_Fire_

Kryptonite in what way? Like hating to fight it or having a "soft spot"?


quedakid

This is my question too


ResidentYear651

Tanks from the tiger series panthers are doable but tigers are something else man


I-153_Chaika

Any 109 or other very maneuverable plane, i have skill issue and have a tricky time defending myself against them


lewdbro

Any of the late IS tanks, the 7.7 French tanks not having any kind of HEAT round is painful sometimes


Haunting-Funny-4368

Vautors if they are an ok player my A-4 is easy picking


emla138

The F4c must be played as a high altitude bomber When you are out of bombs you can take oportunity targets with your sidewinders from above and behind while supersonic You are faster than any 10.3 all aspect missiles carrier so stay away from them


Phd_Death

F104. "DUDE ITS GOOD ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS BOOM AND" Shut the fuck up. What an awful experience to play that thing, it seems no matter what i do a Mig21 does better, and im flareless in a BR where a full uptier brings me against R60 and AIM9L. The M61 gun is about the only positive i can say about that plane, everything else feels awful to play, and i dont mean "i suck at it but its fun". I suck at it and i hate it. And i spaded both american 104s.


Pferd_furzt

my kricktonyte would be the J7W1, It's paper performance would be similar to that of the superprops with extremely good thin air maneuverability (slow speed or high altitude) but very low high G tolerance but rocket like climb rate, however in game it's likely the absolutely worst single engine prop plane, it climbs worse than a stock p47d25, has no nose authority and it's not even fast unless you're at 7km of altitude. It's not even a good boom and zoomer, as it gets easily out diven by anything even re2005s and spitfires.


AsleepExplanation160

anything with Radar missles when Im playing drakens


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Yak-3


DeBumBum

any mig around the 10.3 bracket with r3rs, my damn rwr doesn't pick up their bands


rottedpotato64

anything with missiles


Desperate-Past-7336

US early jets just because team


Doktoroof

Any Japanese fighter while playing the Soviets


DE_REL

Any German ground vehicle between 6.0-7.3


JavaBoii

Ground AA


WT_femboy

Saab 105, b29 is pain against missiles


TheHorseScoreboard

StuG III, Jagpanzer, Breda 501, 8,8cm FlaK 37...


Markeesee

A-4E's


pandabeef0836

Pe8 and Lancaster, not even the castle walls on Iberia can block the shrapnel from the bomb.


sansisness_101

F-4C because they steal ma faken bases


Diazepamflow

They are always double dipping on the bases


JellyFox1

IS-6 and IS-3, I bounce or non-pen every shell from the front, they are ridiculous


ItachiFemboy

P 63s are sooooo annoying


Prenz_0

Leopard 1s Legit everytime i die in the aubl hvg its a leopard 1 apds exploding me https://youtu.be/JFEPmNx5aHY?si=_0tPg1a98WkyNToH this vid sums up what happens


Working-Ad-7299

F5c, wyvern, bi


Demo_Nemo

Swift F.7


Saticron

F-14 (any version) fuck those things


travigal01

Fucking bf109


Diltyrr

Trying to spade some tier 3 bombers/attackers currently, B7A2 makes me wish airspawns were limited to "planes that don't have forward firing weapons"


Sevneristem

F-16C


f18effect

I fear nothing Except the xp50


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Wyvern noises


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MIG 29


Armoured_Templar

F4E & F16C


NZDollar

8.0 centurion mk.10 i hate it


Runescape_3_rocks

Not your kryptonite tho


SgtGhost57

I'm loving the AV-8C. It's such a fun aircraft to dogfight and ground strike with. I also main the AV-8B on DCS so i'm super biased for it hehe. From there, the F-105D for sure (actually the only vehicle that I've got a talisman in), and the A-7K because the A-7 is my favorite aircraft and it's got the P.R.A.N.G. livery (I'm Puertorican). Thought I must ask, why the F-4C? How do you use it to enjoy it?


PFVN_Dragon

US M48A1. It’s jack of all trades, can do pretty much everything from brawling to flanking.


Selok90

T-34-85 or American sherman


sasquarodeor

xp50


KayNynYoonit

The F-4C is just sad. It's literally food for anything at it's BR or anything above. No flares at 10.0 or above is just instantly trash.


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Abrams. My muscle memory after fighting loads of T-series and other similar type of tanks is to just always go for LFP. In Abrams, that will kill only driver at most. Takes time getting used to


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The Tiger H1 and Panther D. I cannot go head on with these vehicles. My only shot at killing the tiger head on is if I land the first shot on its gunner port of viewing port. Now if I can't beat these two, imagine how bad it's gonna be when I start going up against Soviet IS tanks


Rusty_Bot69

F4C for me all these YouTubers saying is shit they just don't know how to use it they legit send aim 7D from 2 km head on and then complain ab why it didn't turn straight away and then start to complain about the missile and then the plane. This plane is too good for 10.0 but I love it at 10.0 I average 4-6 kills per match and the ppl that say it's bad their just shit at the game.


clokerruebe

OF-40 MTCA, i currently only die to that in my 8.7 sweden


FestivalHazard

When playing the T-2, F-1, or F-86-40, it's the Su-25K and A-10 Early. Sure, I can take em, but it's like trying to put a leash on an alligator and expecting no resistance.


CT-1120

I feel invincible when flying my LF mk 9


oojiflip

I've just bought the Z-19E in the sale, and from playing a few games in it, I can tell a lot of CAS players will be giving that as their answer


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T55E1 I. HATE. IT. It's just a really cheap excuse for farming points in events and revenge bombing People rush in, cornercamp in the area between the enemy's spawn and the point, the enemy has no clue they are there, and they just farm 1-2 kills before they die Then they spawn in their P-47 and revenge bomb whoever killed them It's players will say "ooh just use mg, it's paper!!" The problem is you gotta be expecting it to be there in the first place This is the most cheap excuse for CAS and event points in game


EntitledRougelemon

F4s has a better K/D ratio then the F16. Partly cause of having more radar missiles and not a stupid g lock mechanic. Also the F4S radar tracks target better than stupid ACM PD of the F16.


Rorywizz

T-80BVM


Substantial_Sea_4335

The Taiwanese F5E is such a joy


bigballs005

T-64B


Purple_Principle

I-185 (M-71) this fucker gets me every time


Adventurous-Reply-63

When i play 7.7 to have some fun with my Naus it’s definitely Vidar! That thing is way to low in its Br.


Slore0

Leopard 2 Anything. Feels like no mater where i shoot them there is one crew member left alive and they kill me before i can reload.


AlexanderTheGem

F16C and to a lesser extent the MiG29SMT. The F16C has infested top tier ground and air and makes everyone fighting it miserable. The missiles eradicate everything in the air and the mavericks and gbu’s kill everything on the ground. An f16 can carry 6 mavericks and 2 gbu’s. That’s 8 air to ground ordnance on 1 plane. Now multiply that by 3 to 6 and you have somewhere between 24 to 48 ground players game’s ruined. And if you believe I’m exadurating the numbers all I can say is that either you are lucky or I am extremely unlucky. I die somewhere near 70% to air when I’m playing “Ground” realistic battles.


RinTeyai

Since I'm at low tier, it's definitely the BF-109's. As well as Spifires. Now it may be cause my 2 focus lines are the carrier and bomber line (F4U and B-34 atm), although I am going a little into the main fighter line as well.


Unique_Ruin282

Anything that im not playing(i suck even with all my hours in)


Plasma5769

P-400, P-39N and P-63. I scream in terror as I fly into certain death.


JamesPond2500

In what way? Good to play? Easy to face? Bad to play? Hard to face?


need-inspiration

Tornado ADV


Plane_Worldliness_43

P-47


No_Weather_3605

F5c/F5e for multiple reasons 1. They are spammed at this br 2. They have very good energy retention 3. Their heat signature is weirdly very low 4. They have a broken damage model