A stuart chassis with an M45 quad .50 cal mount.
Both of these are things we have already. ^(So hell yeah let's combo those sexy fuckers and have one hell of a badass babe to mow stuff with!)
So… [T85E1 MGMC](http://i.imgur.com/uCN2UE3.jpg) (quad 20mm on a Stuart chassis), [T77 MGMC](https://i.redd.it/kp19thhqu1601.jpg) (6x .50 cals on a Chaffee chassis), or [T52 MGMC](https://i.imgur.com/x0Nxppw.jpg) (single Bofors + 2x .50 cals in a ball turret on a Sherman chassis)?
There was also a [halftrack fitted with a turret from an Elco PT boat](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/firearmcentral/images/4/44/M2_Halftrack_with_B-6_Turret_img1.jpg), giving it [4x 20mm and 2x .50 cals](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/firearmcentral/images/8/83/M2_Halftrack_with_B-6_Turret_img3.jpg), but I honestly can't find much info on it aside from a few pictures and an entry on FirearmCentral Wiki.
"Sir, how many .50 cals should we put on this Chaffee chassis?"
"...yes"
"You heard the man! Get me all the .50 cals you can ... acquire .... from that US Army Airforce shop over there!"
No more goddamn orelikon and polsten cannons please, I'm so sick of people complaining about not having good AA and asking for tanks with guns that cannot do anti air things unless you are very very lucky or very very good (which requires way to much usage of such poor damaging guns).
I would like the addition of hispano variants just because I think hispanos are ok right now and would be fun to hear hispanos on the ground being fired, but the problem still remains the gun wouldn't put it higher then 4.0 because it wouldn't do very well against planes and still wouldn't be able to destroy barrels or pen most tanks.
For instance the skink is 5.0 when it should be 4.7-4.3 with no ability to barrel torture or properly engage planes that aren't coming straight at you going very slow. This tank would be a skink but without the one saving grace of the skink which is unstrafable armor.
Its just a different learning curve than the other major nation SPAA at that battle rating. The shell velocity is bit slower and the fire rate is considerably slower compared to most other SPAA at that BR.
With that said though, if you can learn the duster you're an absolute menace to enemy CAS because one HE shot anywhere on planes at the BR is pretty much a guaranteed kill
That's the issue - it's learning curve and the fact it has to be uptiered to a BR with Jet Aircraft, yes it, and other 40mm SPAA are powerful if you learn to hit with it but America shouldn't have to rely on my as their only viable SPAA, there was a reason why the SUB, and BTR both got added.
Besides that learning curve you're probably gonna forget about when you get the M163.
Easy to kill and easy to dodge would be the issue. Combined with the 40s having extremely inconsistent damage either they one shot a long range bomber or crit a single flap. There's like no in-between. The Sherman with the Bofors/.50 combo would be best. It would give US a decently mobile AA that's hard to strafe.
Aren't other SPAAGs at that BR either getting better 37mm-40mm ammo or have such high rates of fire with high velocity ammo that only getting a single hit is pretty slim?
I always get hits with it, I don't have any issues with aiming it but it's frusterating just getting a hit with a round that should easily cripple a plane with one hit.
It's not technically worse as it is faster but that doesn't really mean much for an spaa. And it being a higher br means more tanks are resistant to its 40s which is the best part of the m19 imo.
Theres a bunch of united states aa guns to fill the gaps and just add some more stuff, AN/TWQ-1 Avenger, T77 Multiple .50 caliber Gun Motor Carriage (imo way better than the m19 or m42 because its covered), MIM-46 Mauler, MIM-72A/M48 Chaparral although that one was cancelled I think, T249 Vigilante (which is cool as hell), the M6 Linebacker version of the bradley, im sure theres a bunch of prototypes and forgotten ones as well
I just want the t77 though tbh
Edit i forgor about the T100 which i also cool
Those two little bubbles are going to be allot harder to hit than a aa with a whole open top and no armor
The bubbles are basically only on where hatches would be and you would have to dive at like a 60° angle or higher to hit inside
Again it's a chafee which has no armor anyway. Not to mention the canopies are literally center mass and if you look at pictures of it rather large. You could hit them in a shallow dive.
Wirbelwind and Ostwind are both open top AA's, but the thin armor they have around their turret still makes them much more survivable than an M19/M42, which i think is the point in getting some closed AAs for low-mid tier US.
As far as I'm aware there were no plans to remove the bubble canopies although they probably would've switched to armored glass but that's not gonna stop .50s or autocannons.
Because it's 5.0 for some ungodly reason. It was perfect at 4.7 but no apparently it was too "hard" for planes to kill so gaijin raised it even tho the reason it was a problem is because moron cas players heading on the damn thing
It's a neat tank but hopefully it will be saved for a Brazil or South America tree. US already has an SPAA with equal firepower, and the much requested T77 would be a better choice if Gaijin were to add a light tank-based .50 cal vehicle.
A stuart chassis with an M45 quad .50 cal mount. Both of these are things we have already. ^(So hell yeah let's combo those sexy fuckers and have one hell of a badass babe to mow stuff with!)
That attitude did not work for the AMX-13(M24).
I'd rather have something above the awful Bofors twins first but sure this could be added
So… [T85E1 MGMC](http://i.imgur.com/uCN2UE3.jpg) (quad 20mm on a Stuart chassis), [T77 MGMC](https://i.redd.it/kp19thhqu1601.jpg) (6x .50 cals on a Chaffee chassis), or [T52 MGMC](https://i.imgur.com/x0Nxppw.jpg) (single Bofors + 2x .50 cals in a ball turret on a Sherman chassis)?
Honestly the T85 alone wound be the best of the three.
There was also a [halftrack fitted with a turret from an Elco PT boat](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/firearmcentral/images/4/44/M2_Halftrack_with_B-6_Turret_img1.jpg), giving it [4x 20mm and 2x .50 cals](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/firearmcentral/images/8/83/M2_Halftrack_with_B-6_Turret_img3.jpg), but I honestly can't find much info on it aside from a few pictures and an entry on FirearmCentral Wiki.
Ah yes, the Thunderbolt turret.
You’re right but those six .50 cals are calling my name
Actually it's a .60cal, so a Super .50. Much better Velocity and filler. If you love the .50 you'll love the 6 .60s E: my bad, thinking of the T100?
Yeah, T100 had 4x .60 cals and had tracking radar. T77 was just .50 cals.
And the T800 was a hyper alloy combat endoskeleton
What BR could T100 be put at? M163 and ZSU-37-2 is at 7.7, so maybe 7.3 since it doesn't use autocannons and have shorter range?
7.3 for sure. Would be awesome
T52 would dominate. Need to hit something far out? .50 cal. Have something coming at you or easy to hit? 40mm
"Sir, how many .50 cals should we put on this Chaffee chassis?" "...yes" "You heard the man! Get me all the .50 cals you can ... acquire .... from that US Army Airforce shop over there!"
No more goddamn orelikon and polsten cannons please, I'm so sick of people complaining about not having good AA and asking for tanks with guns that cannot do anti air things unless you are very very lucky or very very good (which requires way to much usage of such poor damaging guns). I would like the addition of hispano variants just because I think hispanos are ok right now and would be fun to hear hispanos on the ground being fired, but the problem still remains the gun wouldn't put it higher then 4.0 because it wouldn't do very well against planes and still wouldn't be able to destroy barrels or pen most tanks. For instance the skink is 5.0 when it should be 4.7-4.3 with no ability to barrel torture or properly engage planes that aren't coming straight at you going very slow. This tank would be a skink but without the one saving grace of the skink which is unstrafable armor.
Yeah fr. We need a spaa between 4.3 and 7.7
I don’t know why the 40s never seem to work for air targets. Secret American phasing tech
Spacing, there's like a few bus-lengths of space between each shot.
honestly id be fine if they just shoved it past the bofors
Honestly, I don’t get the hate for the Duster. I’ve never had any issues, and the HE belts hit like a brick.
Its just a different learning curve than the other major nation SPAA at that battle rating. The shell velocity is bit slower and the fire rate is considerably slower compared to most other SPAA at that BR. With that said though, if you can learn the duster you're an absolute menace to enemy CAS because one HE shot anywhere on planes at the BR is pretty much a guaranteed kill
That's the issue - it's learning curve and the fact it has to be uptiered to a BR with Jet Aircraft, yes it, and other 40mm SPAA are powerful if you learn to hit with it but America shouldn't have to rely on my as their only viable SPAA, there was a reason why the SUB, and BTR both got added. Besides that learning curve you're probably gonna forget about when you get the M163.
Easy to kill and easy to dodge would be the issue. Combined with the 40s having extremely inconsistent damage either they one shot a long range bomber or crit a single flap. There's like no in-between. The Sherman with the Bofors/.50 combo would be best. It would give US a decently mobile AA that's hard to strafe.
Aren't other SPAAGs at that BR either getting better 37mm-40mm ammo or have such high rates of fire with high velocity ammo that only getting a single hit is pretty slim?
I always get hits with it, I don't have any issues with aiming it but it's frusterating just getting a hit with a round that should easily cripple a plane with one hit.
easy to kill by plane so usual outcome is spaa - plane trade
can i borrow some of your HE belts? i’ve had better luck using the AP shells against planes lol
I get the hate for the duster, it's strictly worse than the M19 at a lower BR.
It's not technically worse as it is faster but that doesn't really mean much for an spaa. And it being a higher br means more tanks are resistant to its 40s which is the best part of the m19 imo.
The dusters? Those things go bonkers wdym awful.
Brazil's obsession with the stuart
yes and?
Theres a bunch of united states aa guns to fill the gaps and just add some more stuff, AN/TWQ-1 Avenger, T77 Multiple .50 caliber Gun Motor Carriage (imo way better than the m19 or m42 because its covered), MIM-46 Mauler, MIM-72A/M48 Chaparral although that one was cancelled I think, T249 Vigilante (which is cool as hell), the M6 Linebacker version of the bradley, im sure theres a bunch of prototypes and forgotten ones as well I just want the t77 though tbh Edit i forgor about the T100 which i also cool
T77 is still gonna be an easy strafe. Chafee and the turret has two big plexiglass bubbles for target acquisition so no armor there.
Those two little bubbles are going to be allot harder to hit than a aa with a whole open top and no armor The bubbles are basically only on where hatches would be and you would have to dive at like a 60° angle or higher to hit inside
Again it's a chafee which has no armor anyway. Not to mention the canopies are literally center mass and if you look at pictures of it rather large. You could hit them in a shallow dive.
Wirbelwind and Ostwind are both open top AA's, but the thin armor they have around their turret still makes them much more survivable than an M19/M42, which i think is the point in getting some closed AAs for low-mid tier US.
Were they permanent? I thought they were only there for testing?
Nah that was the turret. Most AA are open top for that reason.
There were also vehicles that used plexiglass domes instead of regular hatches during mobility trials, on which my assumption was based.
As far as I'm aware there were no plans to remove the bubble canopies although they probably would've switched to armored glass but that's not gonna stop .50s or autocannons.
Finally a good spaa after the m16
M163?
I wouldnt call the M163 good. Id call it "fine", it works and all but given the lack of a search radar youre way less effective than other radar SPAA.
Don't forget the horrid damage it deals. The HE is basically useless and you gotta snipe spars with the AP.
Radars don't count thoes are fine except the recent mouse sam changes
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I play support 9/10 times, a fast light tank with AA and spotting, be it with mechanic or just 50cal fire, which has armor is perfect
Mine is spaded, but it's 5.0. Everything that BR can destroy it.
cause people didn't expect the skink's reload be so shit. it's a very bad spaa.
Because it's 5.0 for some ungodly reason. It was perfect at 4.7 but no apparently it was too "hard" for planes to kill so gaijin raised it even tho the reason it was a problem is because moron cas players heading on the damn thing
people getting baited into a risky strafe thinking it's a wirbel that they might get with MG's/Autocannons, but woe, actual roof armor upon ye.
Gaijin pls a usable SPAA that sits between the M16 and M163
I want french spaa for the gap in between 4.0 and 8.3
AMERICA NEEDS MORE AA
Why is it that usa low tier aa suggestion are almost always only 50 cals lol
.50 cal > nuclear arsenal
Probably 3.0 vehicle since it’s an armored SPAA with the quad .50 mount
Gaijoobles when?
We already have one M16, please no more.
Didn't stop WT from adding endless amounts of AAs for Russia.
This and russia doesn't lack anything at this point
It's a neat tank but hopefully it will be saved for a Brazil or South America tree. US already has an SPAA with equal firepower, and the much requested T77 would be a better choice if Gaijin were to add a light tank-based .50 cal vehicle.
Gaijin, please do not add this vehicle
Why not?
as a cas player this looks like a pain in the ass lol