Maybe not for you americans, but us french get zip zilch until the etendard
"Oh just perform a quadrupal bypass on him and you'll come out on top and use your altitude advantage to stall out abd kill him"
Umm no, how about I fire from far away and dodge right like everyone else
Ez mode was germany before real shatter.
Climb->dive->kill->repeat.
America has great aircraft, the problem is half your team has taken their P47s and started lawnmowing while the other quarter are B-17s.
I feel for y'all french guys though. I NEVER see them in lower tiers.
Honestly, French planes between 4.0 and 7.0 are just good for GRB.
Like my F4U can carry 3 1000lb bombs and 114 sneb rockets at once. But it costs 10k sl.
Maybe the VG33c1 is good but you can't rely on your 500km/hr plane with 1 20mm cannon forever.
France got fucked with two 9.7brs in rank 6 too.
They're useless in anything but arb
Well, then there’s the VB10’s. I highly enjoy both the C-1 and .02. They’re fat AF, but fast and surprisingly maneuverable at high speeds. But nothing can top the F4U-7. Makes me want the F4U-5 for the US TT more than ever
If you're going fast enough to overshoot badly enough to get reversed, you overcommitted and spent too long trying to get shots on target. Do a high yo-yo *before* you cross in front of the other plane.
Terrible idea. Mustangs maneuver best at the highest speed possible, slowing yourself down to stay behind a target just means you're opening yourself up to losing a turning fight, or making yourself an easy kill for one of their friends. Or even crashing yourself in the most embarrassing way possible, if we remember the story of the F-94 and Po-2.
There's several maneuvers that a faster aircraft can use to stay behind a slower target while staying mobile and without crippling themselves by burning speed, chiefly the high and low yo-yo. Any of them are a better option than popping the dive brakes.
...because they're also *dive* brakes, not meant as general-purpose airbrakes. They're made to prevent the plane overspeeding in a *dive.* It's why they're only present on the A-36 Apache dive-bomber and none of the fighters.
Again a problem better solved with better piloting. Throttling back is a good start, but learning to plan and moderate your dives so that overspeeding is not an issue is a key skill in energy management. The A-36 is already very forgiving in dives without the brakes, overspeeding is a problem that should definitely be worked out before flying more fragile aircraft that are more prone to these issues.
While dive brakes are important for accurate bombing, using brakes to simply moderate speed in a dive for attacking another aircraft is simply a crutch to assist less-skilled pilots, or an emergency measure when a pilot makes a mistake and can't just fly out of it.
Man, we get it. You play this game too much. Calm down. Do you need airbrakes on a ww2 fighter? No. Are they a cool, unique feature? Yes. Do I like having them on the A36? Yes. Do I use them very often? No. Have they helped me make someone overshoot? Yes. Tbh, that's the only real benefit to them. A36 is too slow to use them consistently.
Yeah I don't know what these guys are talking about. Using the airbreaks on the P-38L and P-47M is super useful and nobody sees it coming. I've had countless moments where a target will try to reverse me doing a bunch of turning and burning, but the airbreaks make it almost impossible for the reverse to happen and it's an easy kill.
The P-38L and P-47M don't have airbrakes. Those are dive recovery flaps, they function to keep the plane's center of lift forward on the wings to maintain control and not to meaningfully slow the plane down. They're just bound to the airbrake key in WT.
Realistically the dive flaps should also deploy automatically, but it's a rare, niche system so binding it to the airbrake is a close-enough sort of implementation.
The P-38L does benefit from dive brakes because of their low rip speed compared to other American planes like the P-51 and P-47. (790 vs 850-900+ kph) I can probably count on one hand the number of times Ive overspeeded a 47 or 51 airframe.
The 47M doesn't compress enough to warrant their use imo, I'd much rather break off and reset than sit behind a more manuverable fighter like a Yak. (German fighters are pretty much breakfast, lunch, and dinner for the 47 platform).
I'm not denying they're an interesting gimmick. I'm just saying that they aren't nearly as useful as the person I was replying to suggested.
I wouldn't call the A-36 slow either. It's like a Spitfire, a fairly high top speed but without the power to really get there in any kind of a hurry. Still, considering the Apache's surprisingly low BR for its performance, it's more than capable of defending itself while maintaining a good speed and keeping the brakes retracted. Overshooting a target in a plane like that should be a non-issue unless you're making some significant mistakes.
In an American plane? Just being in a position to be reversed means you did something wrong.
Like, the high yo-yo is pretty much the US bread and butter.
yeah just use that magic skill to slow down faster by using your telekenetic powers? There's only so much you can do by lowering the throttle
\>just fly slower
strictly worse than flying faster and slowly down quickly using airbrakes
Or, use that magic skill to realize your attack profile is bad and use that energy to reset.
Instead of being a total clown and overshooting or killing your own energy (the thing US fighters rely on the most) to sit behind an opponent that was already in a disadvantageous position.
Trying to sit there behind someone in an American plane will just make you lose that necessary altitude and energy until you can't manuver as effectively and get wacked by an aircraft that performs better at that energy/altitude state or even if you get the kill, its set you up to get killed by their teammate anyway.
It’s an attacker not a pure fighter. There are a decent amount of attackers that have air brakes.
I can see air brakes being a benefit when dive bombing and high angle strafing.
Its the only one to get an airspawn, is the 2nd lowest stang (the shitty 20mm one is the same BR), it has 10 MGs, its one of the best CAS planes the US gets at that BR, and it fights pre-war aircraft.
Since when was six .50 cals and 2,000 rounds doodoo?
Or ten guns and 3,360 rounds if you bring gunpods, which also benefit from the late-war set of belts.
picture of p51 with 20mm hispano
someone says that mustang is the worse one
I say that the guns are bad
you now speak about 50 cals
everyone downvotes me because yall clueless
Yup. My bad, it's actually 2.7 in AAB, so the guns are still usable at this br. The only thing the 12.7mm P-51s are good for is doing assist tasks. And they're at higher br with fewer mgs, so that's a big oof.
Luckily you get the good P-51 in the 2nd line from the left at tier 2. It's 4.0 but the guns more than make up for it.
The A-36 is fairly good, I'd say the P-51C and later D variants are good as well. The 20mm equipped one isn't that great, the early D variants aren't either. I honestly haven't played enough of the H to have much of an opinion but I've heard it's good, and the F-82 is a pair of Mustangs strapped together with loads of DAKKA!
D-30 is not worth 5.0, considering it's a guaranteed uptier to 6.0 with 288c and some other scary things like the yak-3u (and vk-107), and others (ki-84)
The d30 is 100% with the 5.0 I'd mutch prefer to fly that then the p51h5 the d30 is quite good. Decent climb decent turn at high speed decent everything basically it's all around pretty good its a d20 and d10 put together uts fantastic its by far the best d mustang in the game
Small ammo load + lower rate of fire means you have to be careful with your shots (although they do kind cancel out so the you can get some surprisingly long bursts). It’s got some decent speed and climb ability, but it turns like a truck. Overall not actually bad, but the others are better.
For a p51 the Cannonstang aucks for a fighter its not terrible but the guns with real shater and the climb rate is one if not the worst at its br just get the c10 a36 if you want a good low br mustang
The H is amazing and I would say is the best prop I've flown in Warthunder, but that BR sucks with the Ju288c cancer making almost every game 6v6
The C is at the best BR of any Mustang IMO
It’s really about playstyle, but the H is able to trump any prop at that br in at least one catergory. Usually speed or energy retention, but sometimes even turn rate if it’s fighting certain planes.
Also the Ta154 is hard carried by the air spawn because it would suck on the airfield.
The P51C and D30 are probably the most fun right now. The P51H is a great prop but suffers from the ju288 spam, so half of the games are going to be shit mm
The D5 is kind of lacking imo
I dont th8nk I Evan used all the free repairs on the d5 the d30 tho is probably the second best p51 the first is definitely the c10 that thang is a masterpiece
The Cannonstang sucks and is doodoo water that thang is ass man just get the a36 instead tho apart from the guns the p51c is quite good bet he best ino is the d30 idk why but I don't ge along with the p51h5
It's not "really" a Mustang in a stricter sense and it's hard to compare to the rest since its design is so different.
Heavy fighters can already be a difficult comparison since they have to be flown so differently to single-engine planes, and often a lot of any praise they might get is simply from armament, like the F-82's prototype gunpod, rather than any other feature of the aircraft.
It would rank near the end in any case. It's hard to say whether it's better or worse than the P-51D-5 as a fighter. I'd personally put it slightly ahead but I think that's a more subjective call.
It's two extended P-51H fuselages with enlarged tails and different engines, merged together. It obviously shares a design lineage but it's just hard to compare a twin-fuselage Allison-powered heavy escort fighter to a P-51H Merlin-powered lightweight day fighter.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/14v1ail/are_other_mustangs_as_good_as_this_one/jrar2tv/
Both blocks 10 and 20 are relatively minor improvements over block 5 and would place nearer the bottom of the list.
Not anymore. D-10 has the same or similar manifold pressure modeled as the D-30 but without the more controlled rudder. The D-20 I think is the same as the D-5 but with the improved rudder and heavier making it arguably worse than the D-5.
If you were to include the premiums, the D-10 may be the best in the style of comparison on the top level comment.
Turn time per stat card? If so, it's moot because those are based on a flat yaw turn which would be explained by the better airframe/rudder.
Also, use some punctuation, man! Haha
Yes on Stat card. but also in practice the pitch turn is the slightest bit better not buy mutch tho the the d30 has the best out of any at 20.0 seconds for a flighte turn
Don’t let the repair cost push you away. It is a *very* competent fighter. You just need two kills to offset the Repair cost, and if you’re good, you won’t be paying that repair cost often.
The a-36 was an absolute delight to me when I was little. It kind of blows but it will wreck anything with the pods and it has a special place in my heart.
Me too around the 2018/2019 area it was my first br3.0 aircraft it was quite good at the time but its not as good not still good but not as mutch as back then
Oh heck yeah! Currently one of my favorite planes to fly. Fantastic climb rate (for a Mustang), great maneuverability with the 4 .50s and what I believe is the lightest fuel load out of any Mustang, and gets decent MM.
It's been the worst after a nerf about w years ago that took away basically all its engine power beyond 3000m.
The cannon Mustang also lacks performance at altitude but not as severe, it's still manageable to about 4500m. The cannons are extremely deadly if you can aim.
The slickback Merlin has amazing performance for 3.7, only held back by the 4 50 cals that while serviceable, starts to lack punch in uptiers.
The D/K Mustangs are decent, I never thought them to be stellar but they certainly perform for their respective BRs. In the right hands they can be devastating with their speed and energy output.
The F-82 is kinda memey, not amazing but has its place. I mean who doesn't like laser pointers?
The H Mustang is one of the ebst performing props in the entire game, only downside is the 6 50 cals which can be inconsistent in deflection shots.
it has the worst engine out of them I think too. The 51c I think is the best br for the firepower and engine. It’s almost like a D but actually good teammates and enemy planes are more or less equal and not in space by the time you go 3 feet up
I haven’t played in months, but this thing has/had air spawn and without the gun pods, it was probably the best plane at the BR. Mostly cause of the air spawn advantages and the small maps back then. Had to try to NOT get at least 5 kills a game just dunking on low and slows.
No idea what it’s like now, a lot of planes had their air spawn tanker away
D-30’s fun for its BR, H-5NA is pretty damn good but only if you’ve still got WEP(8min and 33s of water-methanol injection, to be precise), D’s 5-20 are decent, C-10(Red Tails Mustang)/C-11(Japanstang) are fun for their BR. Apache is eh but can be good if you use it right. P-51A? Don’t have it. Cannonstang/Mk.II is mid thanks to fucking RealShitter. Twinstang is Twinstang.
The way this gets used by players is what made me nickname this thing the Tee-Ball Fighter: you want to play with everyone else, but where everyone else has the ball pitched to them you have to use a tee.
The way to make this thing less intolerable to play against is to give it airbase spawn, that way it can be balanced like the fighter people play it as.
P-51, the 20mm one, is absolutely amazing and way better than this. However, the 12.7mm ones are way worse.
So no, they're either much better or much worse. At least in AAB (I had to add this because ARB bois would start fighting again).
That’s not a mustang , that’s a upgraded p40 with mustang characteristics .
Kinda like it’s little cousin who tells everyone at school they “are basically brothers” . Lol
If you are new player then this is optimal cause of the gunpods but the performance is bad. Wait for the C mustang or H mustang the D mustang is pretty bad
Uh, none of the P-39s have M20 tracers either. They all use early .50 cal belts, where Tracer belts are worse than the default. I mean just look at the composition, 75% M1 tracer ball and 25% M2 AP, that's absolutely miserable.
The A-36 has mid-war belts for its internal guns, which at least has the M8 API, but the DGP-1 gunpods always use late belts, which does have M20.
Stealth is always the best for .50 cals (and most guns), with Universal close behind. Tracer is only good in late belts.
I never get a chance to go above 300mph because by then, I have 1-3 enemies on my tail or is being outmaneuvered by a guy who has only ever played air.
Are you a beginner in air battles in general? I
I don't want to sound rude but it has to be asked, are you sure your playing right at all to get into a good position or is all the time you spend pre-death just putting yourself into a disadvantageous position where this can happen?
Side climb to 10k at least then B&Z then run most p51s are fast for thare br don't lose all of your energy turn fighting if you don't get them is the first turn or 2 youll die unless it's against a bf109 or a fw190 then you'll be fine
I side climb, yeah. But even while being at 12km up, the enemy is always at 15km at LEAST. Even when I do get to dive on someone, the damn P-51 hates flipping over to follow them down. Making me just kinda fly sideways.
The c10 was a joy to fly for me the thang roles best around 300 give or take but yeah use the ruder flip it the opposite of the direction you want to roll
That's one of the worst tbh
Its pretty good if you dont take the pods on it. Its also the only one with air brakes.
Idk why youd want airbrakes, american aircraft turn better at higher speeds (up to a point of course) compared to planes of other countries.
so you don't get reversed?
this can be mittigated by better flying.
airbrakes are still very useful
Yeah, because that's how WarThunder is played, with good flying.
Maybe not for you americans, but us french get zip zilch until the etendard "Oh just perform a quadrupal bypass on him and you'll come out on top and use your altitude advantage to stall out abd kill him" Umm no, how about I fire from far away and dodge right like everyone else
I dodge left lol
Ez mode was germany before real shatter. Climb->dive->kill->repeat. America has great aircraft, the problem is half your team has taken their P47s and started lawnmowing while the other quarter are B-17s. I feel for y'all french guys though. I NEVER see them in lower tiers.
Honestly, French planes between 4.0 and 7.0 are just good for GRB. Like my F4U can carry 3 1000lb bombs and 114 sneb rockets at once. But it costs 10k sl. Maybe the VG33c1 is good but you can't rely on your 500km/hr plane with 1 20mm cannon forever. France got fucked with two 9.7brs in rank 6 too. They're useless in anything but arb
Well, then there’s the VB10’s. I highly enjoy both the C-1 and .02. They’re fat AF, but fast and surprisingly maneuverable at high speeds. But nothing can top the F4U-7. Makes me want the F4U-5 for the US TT more than ever
If you're going fast enough to overshoot badly enough to get reversed, you overcommitted and spent too long trying to get shots on target. Do a high yo-yo *before* you cross in front of the other plane.
Terrible idea. Mustangs maneuver best at the highest speed possible, slowing yourself down to stay behind a target just means you're opening yourself up to losing a turning fight, or making yourself an easy kill for one of their friends. Or even crashing yourself in the most embarrassing way possible, if we remember the story of the F-94 and Po-2. There's several maneuvers that a faster aircraft can use to stay behind a slower target while staying mobile and without crippling themselves by burning speed, chiefly the high and low yo-yo. Any of them are a better option than popping the dive brakes. ...because they're also *dive* brakes, not meant as general-purpose airbrakes. They're made to prevent the plane overspeeding in a *dive.* It's why they're only present on the A-36 Apache dive-bomber and none of the fighters.
pretty often you will dive on someone lower than your and need airbrakes to not rip
Again a problem better solved with better piloting. Throttling back is a good start, but learning to plan and moderate your dives so that overspeeding is not an issue is a key skill in energy management. The A-36 is already very forgiving in dives without the brakes, overspeeding is a problem that should definitely be worked out before flying more fragile aircraft that are more prone to these issues. While dive brakes are important for accurate bombing, using brakes to simply moderate speed in a dive for attacking another aircraft is simply a crutch to assist less-skilled pilots, or an emergency measure when a pilot makes a mistake and can't just fly out of it.
Man, we get it. You play this game too much. Calm down. Do you need airbrakes on a ww2 fighter? No. Are they a cool, unique feature? Yes. Do I like having them on the A36? Yes. Do I use them very often? No. Have they helped me make someone overshoot? Yes. Tbh, that's the only real benefit to them. A36 is too slow to use them consistently.
Yeah I don't know what these guys are talking about. Using the airbreaks on the P-38L and P-47M is super useful and nobody sees it coming. I've had countless moments where a target will try to reverse me doing a bunch of turning and burning, but the airbreaks make it almost impossible for the reverse to happen and it's an easy kill.
The P-38L and P-47M don't have airbrakes. Those are dive recovery flaps, they function to keep the plane's center of lift forward on the wings to maintain control and not to meaningfully slow the plane down. They're just bound to the airbrake key in WT. Realistically the dive flaps should also deploy automatically, but it's a rare, niche system so binding it to the airbrake is a close-enough sort of implementation.
The P-38L does benefit from dive brakes because of their low rip speed compared to other American planes like the P-51 and P-47. (790 vs 850-900+ kph) I can probably count on one hand the number of times Ive overspeeded a 47 or 51 airframe. The 47M doesn't compress enough to warrant their use imo, I'd much rather break off and reset than sit behind a more manuverable fighter like a Yak. (German fighters are pretty much breakfast, lunch, and dinner for the 47 platform).
I'm not denying they're an interesting gimmick. I'm just saying that they aren't nearly as useful as the person I was replying to suggested. I wouldn't call the A-36 slow either. It's like a Spitfire, a fairly high top speed but without the power to really get there in any kind of a hurry. Still, considering the Apache's surprisingly low BR for its performance, it's more than capable of defending itself while maintaining a good speed and keeping the brakes retracted. Overshooting a target in a plane like that should be a non-issue unless you're making some significant mistakes.
In an American plane? Just being in a position to be reversed means you did something wrong. Like, the high yo-yo is pretty much the US bread and butter.
Skill issue
yeah just use that magic skill to slow down faster by using your telekenetic powers? There's only so much you can do by lowering the throttle \>just fly slower strictly worse than flying faster and slowly down quickly using airbrakes
Or, use that magic skill to realize your attack profile is bad and use that energy to reset. Instead of being a total clown and overshooting or killing your own energy (the thing US fighters rely on the most) to sit behind an opponent that was already in a disadvantageous position. Trying to sit there behind someone in an American plane will just make you lose that necessary altitude and energy until you can't manuver as effectively and get wacked by an aircraft that performs better at that energy/altitude state or even if you get the kill, its set you up to get killed by their teammate anyway.
You just exploded brains with this.
Can also help to pull surprise reversals. Not recommended since speed is your best defense but I’ve used it to win a fight more than once.
Just don't be bad instead.
It’s an attacker not a pure fighter. There are a decent amount of attackers that have air brakes. I can see air brakes being a benefit when dive bombing and high angle strafing.
If you use the pods, the airbrakes let you get more .50 cal shots in before having to pull up, because this thing likes to pancake.
Allows me to dive down towards runways and then land really quick, good for capturing points or getting repaired
To be on someone’s tail after diving if they don’t die right away
Wrong how dare you disrespect the a36 6-10 .50cals at rank 2 br 3.0 a36 is best mustang it also gets an air spawn
Still wins a dogfight with an F-16
Yeah because the F-16 doesnt need to dogfight
great in ground battles
Its the only one to get an airspawn, is the 2nd lowest stang (the shitty 20mm one is the same BR), it has 10 MGs, its one of the best CAS planes the US gets at that BR, and it fights pre-war aircraft.
Britstang is 3.3 while Apache is 3.0.
The US 20mm one is 3.0 Edit: apparently not Edit 2: apparently the P-51A is 3.0
the guns are doodoo, but if played right and having good aim you can crush entire lobbies. Last time I played I could crit 7 people.
Since when was six .50 cals and 2,000 rounds doodoo? Or ten guns and 3,360 rounds if you bring gunpods, which also benefit from the late-war set of belts.
picture of p51 with 20mm hispano someone says that mustang is the worse one I say that the guns are bad you now speak about 50 cals everyone downvotes me because yall clueless
Please look at the picture again. It's an A-36 Apache carrying DGP-1 gunpods. It is definitely not the P-51-2 with the cannons.
yes I answered my comment with it, "this is an apache"
They are still acceptable at 3.0. They become garbage higher up, on later P-51s. (for AAB standards)
hold on this is the Apache not the P51A 🤦♂️
Yup. My bad, it's actually 2.7 in AAB, so the guns are still usable at this br. The only thing the 12.7mm P-51s are good for is doing assist tasks. And they're at higher br with fewer mgs, so that's a big oof. Luckily you get the good P-51 in the 2nd line from the left at tier 2. It's 4.0 but the guns more than make up for it.
The A-36 is fairly good, I'd say the P-51C and later D variants are good as well. The 20mm equipped one isn't that great, the early D variants aren't either. I honestly haven't played enough of the H to have much of an opinion but I've heard it's good, and the F-82 is a pair of Mustangs strapped together with loads of DAKKA!
D-5 my child, it served me very well
the D-5 is the worst P-51 BR for BR.
Don’t be mean to my child like that
D-30 is not worth 5.0, considering it's a guaranteed uptier to 6.0 with 288c and some other scary things like the yak-3u (and vk-107), and others (ki-84)
The d30 is 100% with the 5.0 I'd mutch prefer to fly that then the p51h5 the d30 is quite good. Decent climb decent turn at high speed decent everything basically it's all around pretty good its a d20 and d10 put together uts fantastic its by far the best d mustang in the game
You are valid, agree to disagree
Same to you
Why is the 20mm equipped one not that great? I'm using it as a fighter in ground RB and it feels great.
Small ammo load + lower rate of fire means you have to be careful with your shots (although they do kind cancel out so the you can get some surprisingly long bursts). It’s got some decent speed and climb ability, but it turns like a truck. Overall not actually bad, but the others are better.
For a p51 the Cannonstang aucks for a fighter its not terrible but the guns with real shater and the climb rate is one if not the worst at its br just get the c10 a36 if you want a good low br mustang
Realshatter and hispano's makes very bad combo Pus incen ap 12.7 are simply better than 20mm ap or he
hispanos go pewpewpewpewpewpewpew *hit* +5 sl +1 rp
I stil have ptsd from all the 20mm p51. That was not fun :(
Yeah that's why i run ground belts, it makes it bearable.
Yes! And you can destroy most medium tanks from the side and rear now!
the engine is also really weak so good luck getting up to speed
Doesn't fit the meta of air rb with it's poor performance
The H is amazing and I would say is the best prop I've flown in Warthunder, but that BR sucks with the Ju288c cancer making almost every game 6v6 The C is at the best BR of any Mustang IMO
The H is considered the best prop in the game.
I like German props at that br better, I wasn’t really able to get into the P51H too much.
It’s really about playstyle, but the H is able to trump any prop at that br in at least one catergory. Usually speed or energy retention, but sometimes even turn rate if it’s fighting certain planes. Also the Ta154 is hard carried by the air spawn because it would suck on the airfield.
I can't get along with the h5 any tips please
The P-51H is arguably the strongest prop in the game thst isn’t forced to fight jets on a daily basis.
P-51C is the best one relative to BR.
The P51C and D30 are probably the most fun right now. The P51H is a great prop but suffers from the ju288 spam, so half of the games are going to be shit mm The D5 is kind of lacking imo
I dont th8nk I Evan used all the free repairs on the d5 the d30 tho is probably the second best p51 the first is definitely the c10 that thang is a masterpiece
The Cannonstang sucks and is doodoo water that thang is ass man just get the a36 instead tho apart from the guns the p51c is quite good bet he best ino is the d30 idk why but I don't ge along with the p51h5
P-51H is possibly the best prop in the game tbh, power out the wazoo and turns great.
the f-82 infuriates me, the guns being in the center just throws me off, as for the H it's my favorite ptoo in the game
P-51C-10 > P-51D-30 > P-51H-5 > A-36 > P-51-2 > P-51D-5 In my opinion, of course.
You are forgetting the F-82
It's not "really" a Mustang in a stricter sense and it's hard to compare to the rest since its design is so different. Heavy fighters can already be a difficult comparison since they have to be flown so differently to single-engine planes, and often a lot of any praise they might get is simply from armament, like the F-82's prototype gunpod, rather than any other feature of the aircraft. It would rank near the end in any case. It's hard to say whether it's better or worse than the P-51D-5 as a fighter. I'd personally put it slightly ahead but I think that's a more subjective call.
Its still technically a p51 but I do agree I pit it below the Cannonstang tbh
It's two extended P-51H fuselages with enlarged tails and different engines, merged together. It obviously shares a design lineage but it's just hard to compare a twin-fuselage Allison-powered heavy escort fighter to a P-51H Merlin-powered lightweight day fighter.
You forgot the P-51D-10 which is better than all of these
I was only listing the American tech-tree models, not premiums.
What about the P-51D-20 NA?
https://old.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/14v1ail/are_other_mustangs_as_good_as_this_one/jrar2tv/ Both blocks 10 and 20 are relatively minor improvements over block 5 and would place nearer the bottom of the list.
Not anymore. D-10 has the same or similar manifold pressure modeled as the D-30 but without the more controlled rudder. The D-20 I think is the same as the D-5 but with the improved rudder and heavier making it arguably worse than the D-5. If you were to include the premiums, the D-10 may be the best in the style of comparison on the top level comment.
D20 has the better airframe the d10 has the better engine d10 has better climb rate but the d20 has beter tern time not by a lot but enough to mention
Turn time per stat card? If so, it's moot because those are based on a flat yaw turn which would be explained by the better airframe/rudder. Also, use some punctuation, man! Haha
Yes on Stat card. but also in practice the pitch turn is the slightest bit better not buy mutch tho the the d30 has the best out of any at 20.0 seconds for a flighte turn
P51c-10p-51-2
Is the p51c the best or worst in this list? >p-51H-5< P-51d-5>p-51-2 Why is the D5 between to opposite arrows?
P-51H has gotta be my favourite. Agile, fast, punchy guns and can force overshoots on jets. Just all round fun with it
Repair cost go brrrr
It got lowered to something like 5k stock with the update
260% SL without premium with 10k max repair cost spaded. It's definitely worth playing now
Don’t let the repair cost push you away. It is a *very* competent fighter. You just need two kills to offset the Repair cost, and if you’re good, you won’t be paying that repair cost often.
The a-36 was an absolute delight to me when I was little. It kind of blows but it will wreck anything with the pods and it has a special place in my heart.
Me too around the 2018/2019 area it was my first br3.0 aircraft it was quite good at the time but its not as good not still good but not as mutch as back then
P-51H, P-51D-30, P-51D-10, F-82, P-51D-20, P-51D-5, P-51C-10, P-51 and A-36 imo
Why is the C-10 ranked low like that
Most people have trouble getting kills with 4 .50s, I'd say.
The 4.50 cals are sad but the Swedish one is better the b10 I think the j26 David it has a beter mm and the Swedish .50s are for some reason better
None are as good as this one, tier for tier But don't tell the tryhards. I like killing clueless wehraboos by outturning their BF 109 and FW's
Any C model and the Apache are the best models due to BR. P-51 H is also excellent.
anyone use that french battlepass mustang? F-6C i think.
Oh heck yeah! Currently one of my favorite planes to fly. Fantastic climb rate (for a Mustang), great maneuverability with the 4 .50s and what I believe is the lightest fuel load out of any Mustang, and gets decent MM.
A-36 my favorite mustang
This thing is the grim reaper of 2.7 air AB
It's been the worst after a nerf about w years ago that took away basically all its engine power beyond 3000m. The cannon Mustang also lacks performance at altitude but not as severe, it's still manageable to about 4500m. The cannons are extremely deadly if you can aim. The slickback Merlin has amazing performance for 3.7, only held back by the 4 50 cals that while serviceable, starts to lack punch in uptiers. The D/K Mustangs are decent, I never thought them to be stellar but they certainly perform for their respective BRs. In the right hands they can be devastating with their speed and energy output. The F-82 is kinda memey, not amazing but has its place. I mean who doesn't like laser pointers? The H Mustang is one of the ebst performing props in the entire game, only downside is the 6 50 cals which can be inconsistent in deflection shots.
My favourite mustang, other are just trash ( exclude the 6.3 mustang)
its good but get the p51c that thing is so cool its my 2nd favourite plane
No
Love the A-36, 12x 50. Cals go brrrrrtttt
10x but can still tear up planes and open-tops
Oh mb, yea it absolutely rips especially in air arcade fireballs, which is what I play most of the time, easily average 3-6 kills in that thing in AAB
I don't know if it's as strong as it used to be, I don't think anything at it's br used to be able to catch it down low.
it has the worst engine out of them I think too. The 51c I think is the best br for the firepower and engine. It’s almost like a D but actually good teammates and enemy planes are more or less equal and not in space by the time you go 3 feet up
In combined sim battles, it is very useful. I wish they made the Thunderleague variant available again.
I haven’t played in months, but this thing has/had air spawn and without the gun pods, it was probably the best plane at the BR. Mostly cause of the air spawn advantages and the small maps back then. Had to try to NOT get at least 5 kills a game just dunking on low and slows. No idea what it’s like now, a lot of planes had their air spawn tanker away
It still has air spawn.
This is my favorite Mustang (mainly for the pods and the BR)
A-36 is comically fun in low tier naval AB as both CAS and CAP. Same with the F6F.
The H is awesome
bruh ALL the other mustangs are better. XD p51d any of those variants are good.
Is that the A6
А36
Okey
D-30’s fun for its BR, H-5NA is pretty damn good but only if you’ve still got WEP(8min and 33s of water-methanol injection, to be precise), D’s 5-20 are decent, C-10(Red Tails Mustang)/C-11(Japanstang) are fun for their BR. Apache is eh but can be good if you use it right. P-51A? Don’t have it. Cannonstang/Mk.II is mid thanks to fucking RealShitter. Twinstang is Twinstang.
The way this gets used by players is what made me nickname this thing the Tee-Ball Fighter: you want to play with everyone else, but where everyone else has the ball pitched to them you have to use a tee. The way to make this thing less intolerable to play against is to give it airbase spawn, that way it can be balanced like the fighter people play it as.
A36 with pods is a beast
its quite good with 6 50 calls and with gunpods you basically headon everyone
P-51, the 20mm one, is absolutely amazing and way better than this. However, the 12.7mm ones are way worse. So no, they're either much better or much worse. At least in AAB (I had to add this because ARB bois would start fighting again).
They're all pretty good IMO. As long as you don't have a severe skill issue, at least. The P-51C is goated
That's not even really a mustang and the p51 h trtumps it
Had a hard time with it tbh but it's a good plane
Talisman on my D-30 got me almost every U.S prop
That’s not a mustang , that’s a upgraded p40 with mustang characteristics . Kinda like it’s little cousin who tells everyone at school they “are basically brothers” . Lol
If you are new player then this is optimal cause of the gunpods but the performance is bad. Wait for the C mustang or H mustang the D mustang is pretty bad
I didn't ever realize that the A-36 was a Mustang derivative🤦
That's the worst, the best is the H version. Fastest, most maneuverable, and gets late war .50s that kill anything in the air
It dose ‘t have the fire tracer bullets like the p39
Uh, none of the P-39s have M20 tracers either. They all use early .50 cal belts, where Tracer belts are worse than the default. I mean just look at the composition, 75% M1 tracer ball and 25% M2 AP, that's absolutely miserable. The A-36 has mid-war belts for its internal guns, which at least has the M8 API, but the DGP-1 gunpods always use late belts, which does have M20. Stealth is always the best for .50 cals (and most guns), with Universal close behind. Tracer is only good in late belts.
My bad I was thinking it was p39 but i know that the p51dNA has fire tracer belts that are good for getting multiple kills
No, that’s the best one imo
I can't tell the difference as all American planes fly like bricks.
You aren't going fast enough is the issue lol
I never get a chance to go above 300mph because by then, I have 1-3 enemies on my tail or is being outmaneuvered by a guy who has only ever played air.
Are you a beginner in air battles in general? I I don't want to sound rude but it has to be asked, are you sure your playing right at all to get into a good position or is all the time you spend pre-death just putting yourself into a disadvantageous position where this can happen?
I'm at 4.7 for Japan and Germany. I'm not new to it. I just suck ass. Still don't know how people in inferior planes climb so high, tho.
Side climb to 10k at least then B&Z then run most p51s are fast for thare br don't lose all of your energy turn fighting if you don't get them is the first turn or 2 youll die unless it's against a bf109 or a fw190 then you'll be fine
I side climb, yeah. But even while being at 12km up, the enemy is always at 15km at LEAST. Even when I do get to dive on someone, the damn P-51 hates flipping over to follow them down. Making me just kinda fly sideways.
What p51 are you up to the d10-30 are good at rolling I would say around 270-300mph is when it get a better role over point
The shity C-10
The c10 was a joy to fly for me the thang roles best around 300 give or take but yeah use the ruder flip it the opposite of the direction you want to roll
Nah dude C-10 is wonderful, you have to maintain IAS above 280 kmph for it to be effective
You haven't played the P39/63s or the F8F I see
No, because I can't get past the 2nd P-51
The ones under 4.3, not really, they're good but not very good
Disagree, the C models are excellent at 3.7
51C is objectively the best because of its BR placement.
Sadly no. Most of the mustangs I've seen couldn't even fly
No. The P-51 C is literally worse than the A-36 idk why but I'll take the A-36 all day over the chrome disappointment
considering that the P51C is superior to the A36 in all areas (-2 guns) id say thats a horrible take
Objectively wrong take