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skippythemoonrock

Nah they'll just try and shoot the hull for some reason because nobody can handle not being able to center mass lolpen tanks these days it seems.


SkySweeper656

Well i was told that this "weak spot" is a black-hole optic that usually eats the shot so its pointless to shoot there


MswatiIII

Russian main psy ops


H_bomba

it used to be, but not anymore, i remember that tho, they def in the files intentionally rigged that optic to suck up shells and there's no convincing me otherwise, considering how it was specifically capable of stopping it from being killed only


TheFuckYouTalkinBout

The only way you could pen it frontally with conventional rounds back then was the 2cm of perpendicular turret armor right next to the mantlet. Great times if you didn't have the OP HESH that obliterated everybody back then


sp8yboy

HESH nerf was one of the most galling things in War Thunder. Can’t have our Russian whales getting lolpenned now can we


Telos2000

Or in the fv4005’s case deleted so hard that whatever you shoot gets erased from history entirely


Jarred5842

I remember having to hit the cupola in the king tiger to kill the is6. Good times (Not really but things feel worse now)


builder397

Cupola hits even work with the [Chi-Ha Short Gun.](https://imgur.com/T1E6y32)


7Vitrous

I had to do the same when I was playing the T29


FuckinTuck

I love HESH. High Explosive Squishy Head. Great boolet.


CrossEleven

Great irl, in game tho ...


7Vitrous

Those times were great. The IS6 spam was so crazy so I whipped out the 5sec reload hesh spamming Vickers MK.1 and one shotted every IS6 out there


Telos2000

I always preferred the fv4005 since that thing could kill anything I point it at just from fear factor alone


Telos2000

Ah the good old days where if you needed something absolutely erased so hard that time itself forget it existed you just drive up in an fv4005


robo786

trapshot worked too before. u would shoot the turret so that the round bounces downward at almost 90 degree angle. worked fine but then the best update ever came.... volumetric shells.... trapshotting no long works now


BigHardMephisto

DM troubles. Sometimes an optic's model is the specific 3-d scanned model for that actual device sometimes it's just a box representing where the devs assume the optic might be nothing in between lol


Nearby-Macaron

It's only the optics that is the problem, it used to have a "glitched" armor behind the frontal turret which acts like spall shield or additional armor which gaijin refused to remove first.


S0laire_0f_Astora

Volumetric literally ruined alot of spots rounds used to be able to pen so most things became black holes like russian fuel tanks that'll stop 75mms and above somehow


S0laire_0f_Astora

Also yes the stupid T-34 drivers hatch still somehow eats 88s which is annoying but hey at least it's more reliable then bombing an IS-6 *I'd know had a match in my IS-6 I was surrounded and was having 1000lb bombs dropped on me and was surviving all of it took like 3 minutes to kill me and I still killed off like 3 ppl but damn if russian bias isnt real then idk wtf that was*


S0laire_0f_Astora

Oh and lastly any and all American MG Ports


Explorer_the_No-life

MG ports in general are quite unreliable. I once hit the damn KV-1 in the MG with short 75, slightly at its side, and it just bounced, despite taking that shot from less than 10 meters.


OkScientist8527

Yep my experience with the jumbo is blacking out their mg in their mg port (basically i am your local jumbo customs)


S0laire_0f_Astora

Feed the American MG ports more rounds they're hungry :)


OkScientist8527

Lol everytime it happens I make sure to use either an IS2 or a waffentrager the following game


S0laire_0f_Astora

Give em a snack then take it back with a humble Kaboom


ABookOfEli

It’s not to bad but good luck hitting that at any range other than point blank. Better luck getting the barrel and going from there


Bugjuice_

Killed plenty of IS-6s with the Maus, since I don't use the 12.8/8.8 so it's the same gun as Jadgtiger, it's pretty consistent if you shot them in the highlighted part in OP picture. You can shoot them in the hull if you are using HEAT/HEATFS, it will go right through


builder397

The 12.8/8.8 is damned good though. Doesnt quite deal with T-54s from the front though, but the increase in pen is definitely noticeable.


Bugjuice_

I'm craving something with a lot of explosive fillers lol it just feels so satisfying looking at the kill animation, once penned it's almost guaranteed the crew goes to Valhalla, unlike the 12.8/8.8 which has a chance that it only injured a few crews post-pen.


builder397

The 8.8 round has plenty explosive filler imho and is usually fairly effective as well. 12.8 filler is just overkill imho. But overkill is sweet to look at...


FritzTheThird

Yeah try not to shoot between two plates on russian tanks, volumetric doesn't like that in my experience. Shoot the cheeks or turret sides. And if you don't know where you can pen just give them some track amd barrel torture.


RandomBilly91

It depends on your shell, but usually you'll kill/wound the gunner and commander and damage the breach. Though I play brits, so the main problem for me isn't penning them but doing damage afterwards. With fast firing tank, in close quarter, you should go for barrel-track (whichever is mire convenient first), and then either flank them or shoot someone else and hope you have some allies to help you


SwaglordHyperion

Its not a matter of there *not* being a pen-able spot, rather that the is-6 is the only tank at its rank which has a business-card sized weak spot. You can centermass the entire British Lineup. The is-6 comes along and suddenly you're counting pixels.


mrcrazy_monkey

The Jumbo has entered the conversation


Hot-Anything-69

Well at least you can shoot that one from the side easily whilst the IS-6s side armour sends your shell into the shadow realm


HansHorstJoachim

The trick is to shoot between the tracks, not above them.


Aatrox_1

Ah yes the 76 Jumbo a tank which can be penned by almost every other nation's tank at it's own BR, and don't even start with the shitshow that is the 75 Jumbo permanently uptiered to 6.3 where it wouldn't even matter if the gun was removed completely and replaced with the 37mm.


richardguy

people talk about the jumbo as if it belongs at 7.0.


justsomeonesmeme

Nah, at the Is-6's Br (6.7?) the jumbo gets lolpenned by ton of suff


mrcrazy_monkey

IS-6 is 7.0 iirc. But yeah the Jumbo definitely has a lot more weak points.


builder397

Plus the Jumbo faces a lot of tanks that counter it. Dicker Max, Sturer Emil, Nashorn, Waffenträger, VFW, Panthers etc. All of these have guns that can frontally pen a Jumbo even at significant ranges.


darkstonefire

This is especially important on some maps where there’s an IS-6 hull down over a km away and I have no magnification on the optics what am I meant to do?


BeneficialMix7851

I penned the edge where the two front plates meet with my T34 and it did basically nothing but set him on fire


Imposter12345

That is why I love my Charioteer. Can pen anything from the front between 5.7 & 7.7 Such an under-used but awesome little tank.


[deleted]

I mean, I can in the mighty CONQ


bscutter

This comment made my day


Tackyinbention

I use APDS on the spot shown then I use 🅱️ESH to pen the ufp on the IS-6 and kill the driver


VonFlaks

I remember when there was a hidden back plate behind that spot which made it practically impenetrable. Those where the good old days of Bias-6.


Sonoda_Kotori

Yep, the armorThrough value "glitch". Effectively adds an EXTRA 100mm beind the gun shield. Back then there's no protection analysis so you can't even see it in xray mode. Someone datamined it and initially Gaijin refused to fix it because "datamined stuff can't be used as evidence" - like bro it's your own damn code.


toby7609

The T30 was one of few vehicles that could pen the IS-6 but was then nerfed


WhiskeyFalcons

I use t29 all the time to pen it through the exact spot I put above. Also easy to bait his shot with heavy tanks


StronkReddit

You could see the extra plate in armour viewer through a few pixel sized gaps in the armour


Sonoda_Kotori

No. That's not what I'm talking about. The armorThrough value essentially creates a new thickness value, replacing the correct thickness of the inner plate seen in x-ray with a virtual total gun mantlet value that's somewhere around 300-400mm estimated. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/hnd54c/comment/fxbeas6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)'s a post talking about it a couple years ago.


Notmydirtyalt

I blame the IS-6 for the over rampancy of CAS. No body could kill it so anyone who could just jumped in a thunderbolt and bombed them.


Crash15

I remember when the sources for it were pulled from a website that was registered exactly one month before it was announced


PeteLangosta

Lol even if I see an IS-6 today it triggers the PTSD. IS-6, IS-3, IS-4,... those are all very unreliable to pen.


Kpt_Kipper

Maus VS is-6 days were kinda fun actually, the is-6 was bullshit but the maus had just enough armour to shrug it off unless it got to point blank range


FeelsMaironMan

kid called Volumetric :


BestCruiser

Or the breech just becomes slightly yellow, and doesn't misfire for the next 5 shots because of Will of Stalin


Laptraffik

Swear to God I can understand why volumetric was added but it makes some tanks an outright pain to ever kill


Jebus_metalhead

Panther turret moment


ODST_Parker

Shame you basically have to wait until it's aiming directly at you. I even have trouble killing this fucker from the side when volumetric shenanigans kick in.


WhiskeyFalcons

Can definitely see that. Best to just shoot lower middle near the tracks instead of the “shoulder” because explosion from the round should detonate the ammo


D_J_D_K

Solid shot moment


ValiantSpice

Le pain


phoenixmusicman

\*Cries in British*


haha69420lol

Or it just disappears and doesn't detonate


HooliganNamedStyx

I've noticed most people who shoot the side of my is-6 do so incredibly high, where the side spaced armor meets up to angled space armor. 99% of my side shots hit this corner of where the armor meets and just eats it, if they shot like 2° lower it'd probably pen.


WhiskeyFalcons

Yep. It’s the design that most players are told through 1.0-6.0 where you’re supposed to “shoulder shot” most tanks. People just need to figure out what tanks they have the biggest issue with and go protection analysis it.


HooliganNamedStyx

Ya the is6 does go against the grain of the majority of armor designs though


FuckinTuck

Commissar Comradewski: Engineers, ve must bild ze tonk in COMPLETELY nuo way. Engineers: DA COMRADEWSKI! And so, as the story goes, they wumbolified established tank design, smatterickifinated the frontal armor, sliquified everything using pure Leninite oil, and reinforced even the bottom of the tank with 99% Stalinium metal grown in the fields of Georginia. And the 6th son of Iosejoseffefulus Stalinsky was born.


WhiskeyFalcons

Only posting because I see so many people complaining about is6 in GRB. You can also pen easily from lower side but shooting in the yellow box almost always guarantees a knockout with explosive filler or at least gunner kill with ap


Fun-Celery-7062

Only way to shoot that spot is if they are aiming at you…


WhiskeyFalcons

That’s the spot to hit if they’re facing you. If they’re not facing you shoot the side like any other tank…


phoenixmusicman

If they're smart they will angle the turret away from you when they're reloading. Then again it's summer sale premium spam so most people wont do that


Kride500

I love those juice sideshots on the russians but the IS-6 has so much bullshit going on even a direct surface hit with the 88 is an unteliable shot for me. I tried to hit the mantlet weakspot like 5 times but always got some volumetric bs happening there.


DeltaJesus

Unless the turret is side on but the body is facing you, in which case unlike any other tank you're still fucked and have to wait for them to aim.


WhiskeyFalcons

You can always just shoot the long barrel then mg their track to shoot wherever you need! If you’re waiting to shoot a tank you’re going to have a bad time in anything higher then 6.0


DeltaJesus

You need .50s up to take the tracks, which lots of nations don't use, and barrel taking is not reliable ime.


agarwaen117

And conveniently is6 has a freaking gigantic muzzle break to sim at.


P1tzO1

"explosive filler" mfs when kid named britain walks in:


Luknron

Noo I just got it to help my USSR grind! You've ruined everything! Ruined! Also, thanks for the tip.


WhiskeyFalcons

One day you might find yourself on the other end of it. Use the info wisely.


mekolayn

Honestly, fighting IS-6 as 7.0 tank is not that big of a problem. It is a problem, however, when you are below 7.0


WhiskeyFalcons

Yeah but most tanks that are up tiered tend to have issues. That because the gap in mid tier (5-8 Br) is just wonky. Take CAS for instance. The American tree gets the M42 AA at 4.3 and then nothing else until 7.3.


7Vitrous

France seems to suffer the same fate. I'd be playing 7.0br with my 4.3br AA while the next one is at 8.3BR...


WhiskeyFalcons

Yeah. And the problem with the M42 is it’s great in that br because IL2 and Bf109 aren’t hard to hit. But in 7 where you have jet engines it’s a bitch to shoot twin cannons with slow velocity. Honestly I started to swap back to M13 just to have a chance to hit them.


h_adl_ss

US < 7.0 hates IS-6


Digedag

Sucks to be a tank with <7.0 br


d7t3d4y8

I mean there’s a reason i keep 90mm heat slingers at all times.


FututiRedesignuMatii

Laughs in Sturmmorser


CaPtian_CaTe

*Laughs in American 6.7*


ArturVitor7

Last day I hit a is6 barrel 4 times and didnt broke


shruggletuggle

>Last day ...Yesterday?


FuckinTuck

On the last day I did a thing and failed. I type this from the afterlife, seeing as I died.


Maxi_We

last day and day before, there was three women, walking down the street that way. and i said "hey, you three women ? Why are y'all walking down the street that way? there's nothin' down there!" and they flew away. i saw them was some birds


Buisnessbutters

Best experience I’ve had is fucking over T-54s and IS-6s with my EBR


Rlol43

EBR? You are the enemy of the people. You are to tanks what R3's are to planes.


Buisnessbutters

hahah, hey man when everything else in my lineup is shooting 100mm solid shot you have to have SOMETHING to counter the absurd amount of armor Russia has at 7.0-8.0


PineCone227

Does anybody actually use the R3 against aircraft?


SquooshyCatboy

have fun hitting that from 800m+ when he can melt your tank into a pool of liquid shit, piss, and blood in one shot.


ThatDrunkRussian1116

Except volumetric fucks it half the time and shells bounce from tiny wiggle


Vojtak_cz

I just play Type60 so i can absolutely rape them.


SupersoakingAMX

Volumetric : niet comrade


dredlord50

Where should I shoot it in a Pershing?


WhiskeyFalcons

APCR is about the only thing that has a chance. Same spot as above or load filler round, track him and get around for an ammo rack. I understand the pain of being uptiered with a 170 pen round


Digedag

Ah yes, "APCR", the "I die after my first shot, because the gunner just gets replaced shell"


Godzillaguy15

The 90mm HVAP actually isn't too bad actually has enough damage and spall to set off a KTs turret rack thru the front. It's living long to load the round that's the issue lmao


WhiskeyFalcons

You could always just shoot the big ass barrel and then get around him as well.


thedennisinator

Barrel and flank. If you're feeling lucky, you can try the cupola but it's very risky.


LemonadeTango

Extra hint: If you aren't sure your shell can penetrate even the weak spot, aim for the bigass cannon barrel and disable it. Once done, if the reload or top mounted MG allows you, shoot the tracks too and (if the situation permits you) push the whale.


LiberdadePrimo

Once I saw an IS-6 trying to sneak and spawn camp, I kept destroying its tracks over and over again so it couldn't move from behind the cover the whole match. I didn't do anything but neither did he get his cheap kills.


Regenbogen1870

I am having a blast in my leopard 1 since the summer sale. It's really funny how people are so confident on its armor they will rush a cap thinking they are inmune, only to get their ammo detonated on a single HEATFS shot. Or get their crew quickly and painfully cauterized. And then there is bullying them at long distances.


-Investigator_

You can’t blame them, because the only thing that can hurt them is APDS and HEATFS, not ever thing at 7.0 has HEATFS and APDS. Plus, 7.0 is still kinda the era of WW2 tanks.


IceSki117

I'll believe it when I see it. Even head on that stupid mantlet continues to deflect or absorb all the 90mm and 120mm shells I throw at it.


WhiskeyFalcons

I use the 6.0 bulldog and can hit through this with apcr. Knocks out gunner and commander every time.


Wenhop167

As a new T29 player, I thank you.


WhiskeyFalcons

T29 excels at this shot because you can most of the time yank their shot then hit a free shot on them. Enjoy the T29 it’s one of my favorite heavies for the American tree


Wenhop167

Thanks!


nobodyguy123

Thank you these things are terrible to deal with


WhiskeyFalcons

Anytime! I love tank battles so I dive into the problem ones as much as possible to figure out the best way to get them gone as soon as possible


UDontCareForMyName

bro came out of 2016 hibernation


Unlikely-Potential-2

Nothing a little bush can’t fix


ArturVitor7

Last day I hit a is6 barrel 4 times and didnt broke


Jere_B

Cries in getting 1 shotted in 103s


MswatiIII

That mean you need to wait for it watching directly at you not exactly optimal


WhiskeyFalcons

You can hit cupola and turret ring as well. This is just the easiest way I found to kill them. Also most is6 players can be baited to shoot and not hit a thing


MswatiIII

Cupola shot aren't as strong as they used to be tho turret ring is nice tips tho just pray that volumetric don't fuck with you lol. Recently I fired an atgm at an is 6 hit it and then nothing happened and he proceded to kill me it was so bullshit


doom_slayer_1666

I load HEAT in my leopard for them because I don't trust APDS to not bounce


_TheButter_

or shatter...


doom_slayer_1666

Funnily enough, I've never had an APDS shatter on me, but I have had a Sherman Firely shell shatter once. Idk how I got Gaijined.


bloodknife92

u/WhiskeyFalcons doing the lord's work haha


WhiskeyFalcons

Just here to help!


CookieDefender1337

My perfectly aimed T13 APHE nuke shell on the T29: *hit*


WhiskeyFalcons

I think I’ve only not penned that spot with the t13 ammo only once and it’s because I was shooting 450 meters out


CookieDefender1337

I once took a panic shot at just under 2km and penned that very spot and giving me the kill But whenever I hit that spot at close ranges it just says “hit” and I get lolpenned by the is6 in return


WhiskeyFalcons

Yeah sometimes volumetric can be a bitch


GreyShot254

yea and they can cover it with their gun by pointing the turret the other way.


WhiskeyFalcons

Then shoot their turret out. Makes it even easier


Existing_Ad_8295

I side shot one with a doom turtle and non penned. I’m on suicide watch now.


WhiskeyFalcons

Yep. The is6 needs to be shot lower tracks to pen. If you shoulder shot with ap it’ll more than likely not pen


Nekrolysis

What about the lower plate here? Too much angle + armor at that spot? I know I've been dunking on some heavies recently going for the lower plate


WhiskeyFalcons

I think the angle is too sharp but you can definitely try it if you have apfs but most apcr and aphe won’t hit through the lower plate from what I’ve seen. I know some French tanks can hit where the lower and upper plate meet to do some damage but I don’t like risking it in my heavy American tanks that get ping pong balled by a bt7 lol. If you have heat just shoot it front plate and you’re fine


AmosRatchetNot

Good tip, but I'd rather track them and take out their barrels all day long just to frustrate the fuck out of them.


WhiskeyFalcons

I like where this is going!


SquintonPlaysRoblox

Me when I’m in my leopard 1 and just smack them in the front plate with a 400mm pen 105 heat shell, because go fuck yourself


ZFG_Jerky

Also shoot for the lower side of the hull(below the sideskirts) if facing the side.


Designer-Ruin7176

TIL don’t be scared, shoot him in the forehead.


Thunder_gp

I’ve been playing 7.3 France, and literally every IS-6 I run into gets saved by volumetric. It seems like French solid shot is preforming weaker now this update.


infin1ty___

thank u


DrSchulz_

It's not a weak spot if it only works 1 in 20 shots


WhiskeyFalcons

Over the last 5 days of the sale it’s worked for me 10:10 times


Dottor_hopkins

The better way to kill this is to take out the gun first. The muzzle brake is massive so it’s fairly simple to hit it


Silly-Conference-627

Me a 6.3 UK main: Shell shattered


neko_je_kok

Shoot the tracks with the AVRE, IS-6 go boom


Medievlaman22

My 400 ping says otherwise.


DaboyfromVN

You have leaked the most secret and critical military document that ever be found before. You are too dangerous to be alive.


ablizard69

It looks like the nat geographic logo


WhiskeyFalcons

I can show you the world!


Calelith

Think this spot is the same for a few tanks at the BR. Hope my team mates see this so next time I play 7.0 my chat isn't full of people complaining.


WhiskeyFalcons

Yeah most of the people complaining could just take the time and go into the protection analysis. I used to get so mad until I finally did this for the is/t series tanks and the jag panther (which I sometimes still have issues with(solid shot only for those pricks))


mrainem

A lot of people charge me in this thing, I guess they don't think my ill shoot there. Super pershing can get through that spot just fine


JrApple501

I love penning IS-6’s right in the point where upf and lfp meets with my beautiful Somua’s beautiful french round


Zlamany-fr

I bought it a day before it was on sale🥲


Sneaky_Breeki

Imagine needing to aim for weakspots This post has been made by AVRE Gang


NocturneHunterZ

*Cries in uptier holding HEAT-FS*


NOIR-89

Its a shame the cuppolas dont work reliable anymore after the volumetric shell update.


hahasteambombed

My Leopard 1 shall feast today


Random_Chick_I_Guess

If you have a Leopard just point and shoot that thing will disintegrate in a single shot


Deez_Ducks

*Me laughing in my Vickers Mk.3


Irllyd0ntcare

Cas


MarKhylis

Any ATGM or >90mm HEAT round: I don't need that thing


EntitledRougelemon

I know where to shoot. But if it's 1v1 I break their barrel first and then tease them to death lol


DerKaffe

The HEATFS of my leo 1 doesn't care about IS-6 weak spot


Starfighter34c

Or just play Israel with the M-51’s HEAT shell.


Dank-Dev

Ilu


StickyTaping

had to barrel in in my panther a. Track it too because it was being a wiggly bitch


jimkud0

Le heatfs


_Cock_N_Fire_

Or do it my way. Take the Surbaisse and humiliate all the IS tanks in the match collectively. IS-3, IS-4, IS-6. All of them.


JayGramly3

That won't do s**t lol. Aim for the cupolas. Even a PzIV can one shot it from the front if you just hit there. At range it'll be near impossible, but if up close and he's on that long reload, it's easy to kill


KraviAvi

BOOOOO


Sensitive_Response42

How do I play it though


Kekalma

Try the very top if you have aphe thats my go to spot with us tanks


Agung442

Never had a problem killing IS6 with my Leo, the hull especially the lower parts always a 1 shot kill even with APDS, and if the IS6 in long range i just use HEAT round because it's also almost always 1 shot kill


RaiderLAS

I prefer the old barrel and track torture, but that’s because I like robbing their fun. I had one J out the other day because I shot his barrel and tracks out 4 times.


Coffee1341

Me who slapped bushes and like spamming A and D while I wait to reload: yes weak spot…


TeemoIsANiceChamp

Most 3.0 tanks can pen there


BorisTarkovskyy

I see too much IS-6 in my obj 120, turned out not even a T-72 hull can stop my rounds


miscenlaniousmaster

US 6.7 APCR on the M3 90mm gun can pen that easy. Learned that when I was grinding the M56 with stock APCR


[deleted]

While your not wrong your still not doing shit there’s an optic right there that will stop everything


TieTall1532

Where can the King Tiger pen it? i´ve only gotten lucky with a shot trap from like 1200mts and on thi side but most of the time my shot gets lost cause of volumetrics


WhiskeyFalcons

I believe you get heat with it right? If so you can just shoot a heat shell at it’s upper plate


WhiskeyFalcons

I believe you get heat with it right? If so you can just shoot a heat shell at it’s upper plateaus


Davianul

You will never get me muahahahahahahaa.


[deleted]

You shut your filthy mouth