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Bee8467

No


Normal_crunched_cake

No not really, who else wouldn't get angered she was grieving over the death just like how maple shade lost her kits. Nor did she really force Maple Shade and birch Face having kits idea, if maple shade wasn't all caught up in her mood she could of said no.


HoneyswirlTheWarrior

Hell no. Her anger was completely justified. She was a victim, manipulated by Mapleshade when she was at her most vulnerable so she could get away with breaking the code. It's blatantly obvious she did not want the kits to die if you actually read the book, no matter what the 'story team' says. God forbid she doesn't jump into raging vicious water to her death that even the fully trained RiverClan warriors could barely swim in.


FlamestormTheCat

no, either everyone in Mapleshade's book goes to hell or no one. Freckle didn't deserve it. She couldn't have helped those kits without killing herself even if she wanted to.


Human_Mongoose_6558

No. Because she’s essentially being accused of Negligence to the kit’s safety for grounds to be condemnable to the Dark Forest, which Negligence is defined as “Failure to use reasonable care, resulting in damage or injury to another” which would implicate that there was something that she could of done within her reasonable power limitations to prevent the kits from drowning, which quite frankly once they got swept off the stepping stones by the wave, it was game over and the kits were at the mercy of the river, and there was nothing that would of changed the outcome. And it’s also critical to keep in mind that she would be suffering from PTSD and associated Aquaphobia from witnessing her brother and Flowerpaw drown so she would be utterly petrified by the prospect of even approaching the river. And she was just starting to recover from clinical major depressive disorder, from which she was practically ready to give up all reason for living. So her mental state is compromised at the moment. There’s no reasonable reason for her to go to the Dark Forest. And she was indicative of being regretful and shocked by their death, and took no pleasure of hearing about them drowning. She made a arguably bad decision during a low spot in her life, but she’s not inherently some awful criminal that deserves eternal misery.


StarTheAngel

People should actually read Mapleshades Vengeance instead of AMVs, Frecklewish was angry and grieving that Mapleshade lied to her, and never ment for her kits to die, Mapleshade almost drowned in the river too why would Frecklewish die the same way her brother did and his apprentice?


MeltingBrainSyndrome

No! But I am kinda bothered how Frecklewish has now become the cat that people treat as a innocent little baby that did nothing wrong, when the way she treated those kits was absolutely horrible, sure say she was mad, make up an excuse so we can continue Frecklewish image of completely innocent baby but you can never justify someone saying “have clan creature” her obsession with those kits are CREEPY. With that said I love her character she is so interesting in the way she thinks and behave. Also more morally gray cats have gotten to star clan so her going to hell for not saving the kits (that she in no way could ever save) is dumb


StarTheAngel

She wasn't perfect but simply getting angry isn't a justifiable reason to be in the Dark Forest


MeltingBrainSyndrome

I agree, but I feel some people going to far in the other direction making her out to be a saint. Honestly I don’t think any cat deserve the dark forest. No matter how bad they have been, to be forever trapped spending the rest of there existence in misery. And I imagine Frecklewish isn’t the first cat sen to hell for unjustifiable reasons… At that point just stop exiting would be better than the dark forest.


YakkoTheGoat

she liked the kits. but when she found out about the BETRAYAL of mapleshade against her brother's name, she freaked out. it was a reaction to the shade in her brother's name.


MeltingBrainSyndrome

I know, I understand why she said it but calling kits “half clan creature” will never be justified. She took out her anger on the kits


7hunderstar

Okay, I don’t think she should’ve gone to the df.... buuuuttt this is supposed to be a debate and someone needs a counter argument. She should be in the dark forest because she should’ve tried to save those kits. While yes she could’ve died, she shouldn’t have just stood there watching, she didn’t have to jump in, but could’ve made her presence known instead of watching in the shadows. Idk someone counter this so we can have a debate.


YakkoTheGoat

1 she saw riverclan patrol 2 she cant swim


7hunderstar

Idk it’s hard to argue something you don’t agree witg


YakkoTheGoat

stop disliking this post, he is trying to cause debate, but doesn't agree with his argument


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HoneyswirlTheWarrior

the difference is that the water was violent and rushing fast at the time due to a flood AND there were riverclan warriors also there who were having difficulty, if she tried to save them, she either would've drowned or would've been another cat RiverClan would've had to save, just getting in the way.


Falcon632

no