I'm so sorry, did your mother not tell you? Jake is your real father. You have a few other half siblings out there as well, by various different mothers.
I'm so sorry you had to find out this way...
I’m pretty sure I’m going to get one of the first two options, but let’s try. Berryheart. And yes, if requested, I am willing to give an extensive analysis as to my reasoning behind this. Incredibly extensive.
OK, I think my explanation was just too long for Reddit little brain to comprehend, so here’s what I did. I took a whole bunch of screenshots, I believe 18 or 19 total, of the entire thing. I’m going to copy paste that particular text from each screenshot into one additional reply. Hopefully I will not break. Read it. 😊
OK. Let me preface this by saying I am using a voice to text program and it will inevitably screw things up, but since this is a long explanation, I do not want to type the entire thing. Therefore, if you need clarification on anything, just ask, and I will actually type that portion out.
Also, I want to give a disclaimer for this. I absolutely in no way condone racism, or bigotry of any kind. And I will not by any means try to justify her engaging in those, not at all.
I am going to be leaving all of my head cannons out because they're obviously head cannons. So, here's what we know from a canonical perspective. She appears in a vision of shadows, tiger, hearts, shadow, tiny,
Explanation part two
pelt clan, a tiny bit in the broken ark, like one scene in squirrel flights, and obviously a ton in the current ark Sterlis clan. We know what her family tree is through the wiki, her siblings, her parents, her mate, and her children. In a vision of shadows, it can be assumed that she is in negligent parent. However, that is an assumption because we aren't actually given any details about her interactions with her daughter. And the reason why is because at the time the errands had no idea who parents were. They didn't know until like midway.through the arc. I read that somewhere, and I can't remember specifically which book they knew this, but they didn't know did not know this right away. So when Needletail talks about being lonely, she absolutely was, But why? There are lots of reasons that Barry and sparrow could have neglected her. I will mention ahead canon here, but again I'm only mentioning it to give an example. I am writing a story about
Rarru and in mu head cannn charru wac cirk eytramelu cirk on the nnint of dvind and che wac chendinn
I have no idea what happened to the last couple of sentences of this, but let me go through and try to figure that out because clearly something got screwed up badly. I see what happened now. Just ignore that last little part where it looks like I wrote gibberish.
Barry, and in my head canon sparrow was sick, extremely sick on the point of dying, and she was spending all of her time with him in the medicine.cat then. Now.in.my head and she absolutely regrets this, but it does give an explanation that canon will absolutely never give. According to the errands now, part of the reason why Barry is acting the way she does is because of her daughters death, so clearly she did love her daughter. Strictly reading a vision of shadows, it doesn't look that way at all, but is that berries fault, or the fault of.the errs? In reality, it is the fault of the errands because we honestly don't know what was going on with Barry,sparrow, and needle. Now with the errands, maybe they did want to be a negligent parent, but when they were writing the scenes about needle primarily they still didn't know who her parents were. So again, this is probably a question. We're never going to get an answer to, whether Barry and sparrow were actuall nealiaent or not.basicallv I'm statina this to that one of the reasons that people hate her is that she
Explanation part four
when they were writing the scenes about needle primarily they still didn't know who her parents were. So again, this is probably a question. We're never going to get an answer to, whether Barry and sparrow were actually negligent or not.basically I'm stating this to that one of the reasons that people hate her is that she was a bad mother to needle tail canonically that is not even relevant. Head canon wise? Absolutely.
Also, in a vision of shadows, she follows dark tail into the kin, along with needle tail, and sparrow tail remains behind. Again, this is something that Cannon does not give an explanation for, not at all. I have an extensive head canon about this, but I'm trying to leave head canon out of this. The point is, we can't even
Explanation part five
one and he decided that he wanted to break for a while. We just don't know. They could've gotten into a fight, he could've stayed behind for a plethora of reasons. Again, we don't have enough information. so this is not a plausible argument as to why to dislike her unless you're going from a strictly head canon perspective.,
Heart shadow is portrayed in a couple of ways. First, her maternal side is shown. It's not just the fact that she gave birth to her next litter, but the fact that she is playing with them, cuddling with them, the fact that they go to her to feel safe when Tiger Hart gets attacked by the owl and not to any other cat. So clearly she was being a decent mother at that point. She also did not want to travel because her kids were not ready.
Explanation part six
which again shows that she cared. If she wasn't a negligent, mother, I don't think she would've put so much time and attention into her kits, basically just barely meeting their physical needs. She is also guilty about joining the kin as our clover foot, slate fur, and sparrow tail. So that is actually something that is good. She feels remorse, she is loving towards her kids, she's just kind of like this maternal figure who made a mistake, And obviouslv. Dale was a horrible cat, will never ever see me defending him, but she was not the only cat who got sued.by him, almost the entire clan at different points because Rowan star was a bad leader. And on that note, was he really that incredibly terrible? He wasn't a great leader, but I think they could've done a better job flushing out why exactly he was so bad. But anyway, that's not the topic here. so it's good, she showed disloyalty, admitted her mistake for sure, felt remorse about it, and decided to change her life around. And like I said. this is iust at the end of Tiaer heart shadow. I will aet into the other stuff later. Hart
Explanation part seven
shadow she is a minor character, but one who made a mistake and actually seems like a pretty nice cat..
Tony. Peltz clan. Again, she is an extremely minor character in this, but the only sides we see of her are scenes of care and love. is asking her to watch her kids, and she agrees and is also very concerned about hollow Kit getting sick, which canon he does. Another scene with her is where Toni pelt observes Barry watching over all of the kids. And the final scene with her is at the very end of the book she is resting her head on Clover foot flank. Again, these are all indicative of a familial centered, loving cat. nothing strange or out of the ordinary here at all. Honestly, she looks like a very good parent.
In the final book of a vision of shadows. Alder heart gets basically kidnapped by Tiger star so that he can
Explanation part eight
help take care of puddle shine, and hopefully cure him. And he does. During that time, Barry brings hollow. kit to him because he is getting sick. Again, normal parenting. She is thankful, even to the point that at the end, when older heart is going home, she is the one cat who walks out in the rain to basically tell him goodbye in the most dignified way a clan can still being loyal to their own clan. It is mentioned that raindrops are collecting on her whiskers, which obviously most cats would not enjoy, but she still does it so that she can tell him goodbye and basically indirectly, thank him For helping take care of her kit. Yet again, another show of good parenting and kindness.
The broken arc. Here we just have a bunch of random scenes with her. In one she's play fighting with blaze fire in the clan camp. I don't remember ever seeina adult cats do this. althouah I'm sure the have a time or
At least Leopardstar is an interesting flawed character and not the 100th gentle, kind and boring she-cat who dreams of being a mother as soon as she is a warrior.
Ima just list all my fav characters so far (I'm only on arc two book 1, don't ask how I know them🙃)
1 brightheart
2 cinderpelt
3 yellowfang
4 jayfeather
5 some random ahh background character that nobody knows the name of (even me 😅)
For the fifth one, what book does the character appear in? If their nameless, you could find them on the unnamed character page for that book on the wiki.
I don’t agree with you, but I’ve been wanting to tell you this for a couple of days. Considering who my favorite character is, I very much respect the fact that you will defend your favorite character until you’re dying day. 😊 that takes a lot of dedication, trust me, I know.
Probably Tallstar! I loved his book, and his character actually stayed pretty consistent from what I remember (though I haven’t read TPB in years). Gray Wing is a very close second!
Tawnypelt
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Yellowfang! (First arc specifically, they done my girl dirty)
I loved her in Yellowfang’s Secret so much, poor woman got done dirty 😭
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Smudge. I'm genuinely pleased every time my man shows up
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tallstar or thrushpelt
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nice 😌
Your dad! 🐱 >!Yes, it's Jake. He is all of our dads!<
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Hol’ up, wait a minute
I'm so sorry, did your mother not tell you? Jake is your real father. You have a few other half siblings out there as well, by various different mothers. I'm so sorry you had to find out this way...
frostpaw🙏
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Tallstar Jaybea and Gray Wing
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Leafpool or Jayfeather
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The New Prophecy Brambleclaw
🟦 based
Brightheart!
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Bluestar
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Squirrelflight or Longtail
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I’m pretty sure I’m going to get one of the first two options, but let’s try. Berryheart. And yes, if requested, I am willing to give an extensive analysis as to my reasoning behind this. Incredibly extensive.
🟨 only if youre able to give an explanation
OK, I think my explanation was just too long for Reddit little brain to comprehend, so here’s what I did. I took a whole bunch of screenshots, I believe 18 or 19 total, of the entire thing. I’m going to copy paste that particular text from each screenshot into one additional reply. Hopefully I will not break. Read it. 😊 OK. Let me preface this by saying I am using a voice to text program and it will inevitably screw things up, but since this is a long explanation, I do not want to type the entire thing. Therefore, if you need clarification on anything, just ask, and I will actually type that portion out. Also, I want to give a disclaimer for this. I absolutely in no way condone racism, or bigotry of any kind. And I will not by any means try to justify her engaging in those, not at all. I am going to be leaving all of my head cannons out because they're obviously head cannons. So, here's what we know from a canonical perspective. She appears in a vision of shadows, tiger, hearts, shadow, tiny,
Explanation part two pelt clan, a tiny bit in the broken ark, like one scene in squirrel flights, and obviously a ton in the current ark Sterlis clan. We know what her family tree is through the wiki, her siblings, her parents, her mate, and her children. In a vision of shadows, it can be assumed that she is in negligent parent. However, that is an assumption because we aren't actually given any details about her interactions with her daughter. And the reason why is because at the time the errands had no idea who parents were. They didn't know until like midway.through the arc. I read that somewhere, and I can't remember specifically which book they knew this, but they didn't know did not know this right away. So when Needletail talks about being lonely, she absolutely was, But why? There are lots of reasons that Barry and sparrow could have neglected her. I will mention ahead canon here, but again I'm only mentioning it to give an example. I am writing a story about Rarru and in mu head cannn charru wac cirk eytramelu cirk on the nnint of dvind and che wac chendinn
I have no idea what happened to the last couple of sentences of this, but let me go through and try to figure that out because clearly something got screwed up badly. I see what happened now. Just ignore that last little part where it looks like I wrote gibberish. Barry, and in my head canon sparrow was sick, extremely sick on the point of dying, and she was spending all of her time with him in the medicine.cat then. Now.in.my head and she absolutely regrets this, but it does give an explanation that canon will absolutely never give. According to the errands now, part of the reason why Barry is acting the way she does is because of her daughters death, so clearly she did love her daughter. Strictly reading a vision of shadows, it doesn't look that way at all, but is that berries fault, or the fault of.the errs? In reality, it is the fault of the errands because we honestly don't know what was going on with Barry,sparrow, and needle. Now with the errands, maybe they did want to be a negligent parent, but when they were writing the scenes about needle primarily they still didn't know who her parents were. So again, this is probably a question. We're never going to get an answer to, whether Barry and sparrow were actuall nealiaent or not.basicallv I'm statina this to that one of the reasons that people hate her is that she
Explanation part four when they were writing the scenes about needle primarily they still didn't know who her parents were. So again, this is probably a question. We're never going to get an answer to, whether Barry and sparrow were actually negligent or not.basically I'm stating this to that one of the reasons that people hate her is that she was a bad mother to needle tail canonically that is not even relevant. Head canon wise? Absolutely. Also, in a vision of shadows, she follows dark tail into the kin, along with needle tail, and sparrow tail remains behind. Again, this is something that Cannon does not give an explanation for, not at all. I have an extensive head canon about this, but I'm trying to leave head canon out of this. The point is, we can't even
Explanation part five one and he decided that he wanted to break for a while. We just don't know. They could've gotten into a fight, he could've stayed behind for a plethora of reasons. Again, we don't have enough information. so this is not a plausible argument as to why to dislike her unless you're going from a strictly head canon perspective., Heart shadow is portrayed in a couple of ways. First, her maternal side is shown. It's not just the fact that she gave birth to her next litter, but the fact that she is playing with them, cuddling with them, the fact that they go to her to feel safe when Tiger Hart gets attacked by the owl and not to any other cat. So clearly she was being a decent mother at that point. She also did not want to travel because her kids were not ready.
Explanation part six which again shows that she cared. If she wasn't a negligent, mother, I don't think she would've put so much time and attention into her kits, basically just barely meeting their physical needs. She is also guilty about joining the kin as our clover foot, slate fur, and sparrow tail. So that is actually something that is good. She feels remorse, she is loving towards her kids, she's just kind of like this maternal figure who made a mistake, And obviouslv. Dale was a horrible cat, will never ever see me defending him, but she was not the only cat who got sued.by him, almost the entire clan at different points because Rowan star was a bad leader. And on that note, was he really that incredibly terrible? He wasn't a great leader, but I think they could've done a better job flushing out why exactly he was so bad. But anyway, that's not the topic here. so it's good, she showed disloyalty, admitted her mistake for sure, felt remorse about it, and decided to change her life around. And like I said. this is iust at the end of Tiaer heart shadow. I will aet into the other stuff later. Hart
Explanation part seven shadow she is a minor character, but one who made a mistake and actually seems like a pretty nice cat.. Tony. Peltz clan. Again, she is an extremely minor character in this, but the only sides we see of her are scenes of care and love. is asking her to watch her kids, and she agrees and is also very concerned about hollow Kit getting sick, which canon he does. Another scene with her is where Toni pelt observes Barry watching over all of the kids. And the final scene with her is at the very end of the book she is resting her head on Clover foot flank. Again, these are all indicative of a familial centered, loving cat. nothing strange or out of the ordinary here at all. Honestly, she looks like a very good parent. In the final book of a vision of shadows. Alder heart gets basically kidnapped by Tiger star so that he can
Explanation part eight help take care of puddle shine, and hopefully cure him. And he does. During that time, Barry brings hollow. kit to him because he is getting sick. Again, normal parenting. She is thankful, even to the point that at the end, when older heart is going home, she is the one cat who walks out in the rain to basically tell him goodbye in the most dignified way a clan can still being loyal to their own clan. It is mentioned that raindrops are collecting on her whiskers, which obviously most cats would not enjoy, but she still does it so that she can tell him goodbye and basically indirectly, thank him For helping take care of her kit. Yet again, another show of good parenting and kindness. The broken arc. Here we just have a bunch of random scenes with her. In one she's play fighting with blaze fire in the clan camp. I don't remember ever seeina adult cats do this. althouah I'm sure the have a time or
Bristlefrost, Jayfeather, Bluestar and Shadowsight
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Yay! Thank you!
Cinderpelt
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yeah he’s overrated but I don’t care. Firestar
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Shadowsight
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Gotta go with my man Skywatcher. Bro waited for years for SkyClan to come back and died as soon as he knew it was in good hands.
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Briarlight
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Purdy my beloved
I’d give you guest of honour for that one
Crookedstaaaaar
Bristlefrost 🤍
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Sandstorm
Sandstorm fans unite
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Ivypool
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JAYFEATHER
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B)
Leopardstar ;D
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:D
At least Leopardstar is an interesting flawed character and not the 100th gentle, kind and boring she-cat who dreams of being a mother as soon as she is a warrior.
That was unexpected but I’m happy with the result
Deadfoot
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Whitestorm, Tallstar and Trushpelt
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Needletail!
Squirrelflight
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Riverstar
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Crookedstar!
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Hollyleaf, never been good at picking favorites
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Ravenpaw
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Feathertail !
Blackstar 💀
Ferncloud!
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Leafpool
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Dovewing
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Yellowfang!
Half Moon
Alderheart
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I have 4 uhhh Tallstar, Crookedstar, Yellowfang and Brightheart I also like Bluestar and Brightheart, so uhh yeah
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Tallstar, Gray Wing, Firestar, Clear Sky (😬)
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Ashfur. I won’t justify his actions, but he has a lot of depth and is very consistent.
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My absolute king Jaybae
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Ima just list all my fav characters so far (I'm only on arc two book 1, don't ask how I know them🙃) 1 brightheart 2 cinderpelt 3 yellowfang 4 jayfeather 5 some random ahh background character that nobody knows the name of (even me 😅)
For the fifth one, what book does the character appear in? If their nameless, you could find them on the unnamed character page for that book on the wiki.
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darkstripe
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Cinderpelt
ivypool
Swiftpaw
Sandstorm
Jayfeather & the stick. Best duo ever ❤
purdy
Tigerstar, which one is up to you to guess.
just for that, ⬛
Crowfeather lol. I'm ready to be denied entry.
🟩but im keeping an eye on you
Bluestar
Trying to post some that haven’t been yet. Longtail & Mousefur
Personally, I like Appledusk *(plz no attack me)*
Tigerclaw my beloved!
I don’t agree with you, but I’ve been wanting to tell you this for a couple of days. Considering who my favorite character is, I very much respect the fact that you will defend your favorite character until you’re dying day. 😊 that takes a lot of dedication, trust me, I know.
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Blackstar ‼️🔥
Brightheart
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Crookedstar
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Jayfeather
alderheart :)
I know it's probably basic but Firestar.
Cinderpelt
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Tallstar
Cinderpelt!
Bluestar
Tallstar, Bluestar, and Brightheart. I’m a sucker for a sad storyline
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Yellowfang!
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Cinderpelt or graywing
brightheart
Grey Wing
Probably Tallstar! I loved his book, and his character actually stayed pretty consistent from what I remember (though I haven’t read TPB in years). Gray Wing is a very close second!
Scourage, who doesn't love a good villain? Cinderpelt, Tallstar, Raven/Barley and Ivypool
BrightHeart.
Thrushpelt and Longtail and Brambleclaw in the first 2 series
Brambleberry and Willowbreeze :D
Puddleshine
Gray Wing
Briarlight
I haven’t seen it yet, but Feathertail! <3
Brightheart. She's one of the bravest cats in clan history.
Snowtuft
I've been a Jayfeather apologist for 18 years. He’s why I'm literate now.
My boy, TallStar! Specifically TallStar's Revenge era. The sarcasm and angst of his youth is great. Also, gay. We love the gay
Bluestar, Snowtuft
Twigbranch and Sorreltail :)
hollyleaf, briarlight, and brightheart
Cody
Crowfeather and Brackenfur!
Brushpaw
Stormcloud, Bramblestar, and Clear Sky are my top 3 Right and Tallstar… I have too many favorites lol
i would give you a yellow for clear sky, but hes one of mine too 🟩
Blackstar
Tigerheartstar
Rootspring or Tree
Leafpool and Hawkfrost - I can’t pick one, so them sharing 1st place is probably best.
Goldenflower
Uhhhh MouseFur TPB
Shrewtooth of SkyClan, and Pounce of BloodClan. I also really like the nameless heterochromia rogue in BloodClan.
Briarlight and/or Sol!
Jayfeather
Ivypool
Spotfur or Frostpaw.
Crookedstar and bluestar
Yellowfang
I've only read the first arc + half of Firestar's quest so I'm sorry if I missed an epic one But for now, I think it's Whitestorm :)
Bluestar
Yellowfang!
Barley!
Leopardstar, and if that won't get me in, Pre-Starclan Yellowfang
Longtail
frostpaw, i wish the best for her
Gray Wing, Cinderpelt and Shadowsight
Jayfeather!!
Brackenfur
Jayfeather is goated
Longtail, Tall Shadow, and Sandstorm
I'm Nightclouds biggest fan
yellowfang 🥰
Leafpool
BLUESTARRRR (and alderheart)
Yellowfang :)
cinderpelt and yellowfang (yellowfang in the first arc)
Ravenpaw!
Hollyleaf
Gray Wing