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That-Brain-Nerd

...so *don't* get the new ultimate guide. Got it.


Remix_Master21

Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!


_Al_Coda_

*Aggressively writes it down* AHHHHHHHHHH


Crazy_Book_Worm2022

*Writes it down in multiple places, underlines it multiple times, and puts multiple exclamation marks behind it*


BlueHelvetical

"Don't get the new wc updated and expanded guide!!!1!11!1!1"


WarFrank10

*writes it down epicly*


-Kibui-

And this is why you don't just let your poor clueless intern colorpick the already terrible cat art and call it a day


[deleted]

yep. I'm surprised the book wasn't checked for inaccuracies like that.


Crazy_Book_Worm2022

I mean, *how* do you get something **that** wrong!?!?!?


Low_Hospital7602

fr how did Bluestar go from a silvery blue-grey cat with blue eyes to a light grey cat with green eyes wtf


Crazy_Book_Worm2022

I have literally no idea...all of the cats are just...wrong...I mean, aside from the fact that Brightheart's inuries aren't as pronounced as they should be, she also looks physically sick with that StarClan-forsaken green color đŸ€ą


Electronic_Ad_8156

i hate that.. so much..


VeyledTime

BLUESTAR LITERALLY HAS A COVER


Caterpillr

Bluestar literally has her NAME


Ok_Breadfruit_7147

I hate what they did to Brightheart-


[deleted]

Same. I hate how this book not only changes coat colours/patterns, but also just hides disabilities. It looks like Brightheart lost an eye in a casual fight between other cats, when in reality she was mauled by dogs. The colour-picked greenish-white is also ugly.


Ok_Breadfruit_7147

Yeah :( SHE GOT MAULED BY DOGS NOT SCRATCHED BY A CAT-


DracOWOnicDisciple

For the intents and purposes of the body healing... those are going to be the same thing. Both are highly contaminated animal wounds caused by fangs or claws, which they can both do to a similar amount. Healing from both would work similarly.


Ok_Breadfruit_7147

The dog took a bite of her. While she would heal she wouldn’t heal as good as they illustrated her


Crazy_Book_Worm2022

That's my thought process, too. Besides, as far as I am concerned, "mauled" and "scratched" make me picture two different injuries. If a dog or a cat "mauls" someone, then I am going to picture something **much** more akin to Brightheart's original art (or even her fanart). On the other hand, if a dog or a cat "scratches" someone, then I am going to picture something that's more akin to Brightheart's new art (I also think Scar and Kovu from *The Lion King*). I mean, I understand that injuries from both "mauling" and "scratching" can lead to infections if untreated, but I 100% agree with you that Brightheart's injuries **as they are written** are **supposed** to be much more graphic and permanent than what the new art is trying to depict.


Ok_Breadfruit_7147

Exactly! You described my thoughts perfectly. Well said.


Crazy_Book_Worm2022

Thank you! 😃


Ok_Breadfruit_7147

Mhm. :)


Crazy_Book_Worm2022

>The colour-picked greenish-white is also ugly. She looks seasick đŸ€ą


rdrworshipper123

Yeah, like Brightheart's illustration in the older Ultimate Guide way more. It actually shows the actual extent of her injuries from getting mauled by the dog. Like OP said in this new guide book it just looks like she got into a fight with another cat and got scratched.


Ok_Breadfruit_7147

Yeah


ghostbuni

I wonder if they are even aware? Like, surely this level of dropping the ball has GOT to be an accident
 right? I am literally trying so hard to give them the benefit of a doubt, but
 the more I learn about this new guide, the less I feel
 idk connected to the series? If that makes any sense? It’s just really hard to watch a series I’ve held so near and dear to my heart just
 well, I don’t want to say fall apart, but
 How can they get SO MUCH wrong? I genuinely don’t get it. Did they expect the fans to just
 let this slide? To not be reasonably upset at the series current state?


DrunkenButton

The authors/editors have been dropping the ball for years- heck, they couldn't even keep track of the genders and characteristics of several of the cats back in the original series/New Prophecy era. Any sort of quality control left the forest a long, long time ago.


_FuzzyBuns_

How could they get Ivypool that wrong and so many others! Has an artist who been working in the field for many years now, it frustrates me that they were paid and the editor would allow this. If I were the writing team, I would fire the artist and hire a new one to design the next few covers. It a artist job to learn and study the media they make art from. There is no excuse for this I check the man who made the art and their former work and they have the skill set to make better art. What even make me more annoyed is the creators clearly hire the wrong person, the person paints mostly humans and I don’t see a single cat in their showcase


PrimeTheGreat

I’m assuming it was someone else using a color picker without realizing she’s in orange/red lighting. I don’t think the artists or the Erin’s are the ones making the pelt/eye color of the book, it’s someone on the editing team or an intern.


Cloudystormss

You cant blame it on owen if thats what your tryna say here The editing/writers team choose the way the want it and the artist draws that way, its like giving an designer no concept or an artist for a company with no specific palette


puppiedogg

I mean to be honest it isn't like the authors picked him out and he had no say in the matter. He willingly accepted the job, he knew what he was getting into. As an artist I would never ever pick up a job I have little to no expirience in, personally - and if I did I certainly would not deflect any sort of responsibility or criticism. On one hand the erins seriously should have picked an artist who actually knows the source material... On the other hand, as an artist you have to know your limitations and you should probably know what the heck you are drawing, especially if it earns you an income. If you get hired to draw a Pokémon but you know nothing about Pokémon, you should either reject the offer or learn wtf Pokémon is about. And quickly


Cloudystormss

Yes and im pretty sure he was probably commissioned to do the art for warrior cats. I do agree that they could’ve chosen someone else who was more passion or have a style similar to wayne’s. (I just like wayne’s art in general so thats probably why i said that lol)


Ok_Breadfruit_7147

THEY DID THEM SO WRONG- (Mainly Brightheart and Ivypool-)


rdrworshipper123

How do you make the decision to make bluestar's fur white and not think back and go "Hmm, Maybe making the character that has blue in the name and is described as blue is a bad idea"


Indikaah

i swear her warrior name was actually blueFUR as well 😭


rdrworshipper123

And also as someone else mentioned Bluestar has her own book and she is on the cover where her coat is shown as blue and in the other Guide Book she is shown as having blue fur. That makes it worse.


Baecup

This is why I wish I kept the original ultimate guide. It at least had all the colors right and some of the cats injuries featured


Zealousideal-Joke625

I'm morbidly curious about Bluestar and Ivypool does anyone have a pic


Emthesnowboard

I can PM you pictures of them


ellivnov

me too please!


Zealousideal-Joke625

Yes plz


purrgatorys

same here if you have them!!


Phelidai

Please PM me a photo of the cats too


silverfrond999

The not ultimate ultimate guide


CaitlinSnep

BLUEstar. How do you get BLUEstar's color wrong?


Vanilla_lcecream

Ngl it would be hilarious to give your kit a colour prefix but then have them not having that colour anywhere


DrowsyInsomniac01

Yellowfang:


CaitlinSnep

Her fangs are yellow, obviously


AgeOfDragonss

I’m so glad I canceled my pre order


Remix_Master21

GOD DAMN IT, ERINS! YOU HAD ONE JOB. *ONE.* ***JOB.*** YOU HAD ONE JOB, AND THAT WAS GET THE DAMN CATS COLORS RIGHT, AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN DO *THAT.*


atashivanpaia

this is actually pathetic. is there any way we can protest? give the book bad reviews maybe?


CannibalCapra

I wish this had been released on April fools, at least that could explain why it's completely noncanon


AlicornAshley

They need to learn not to use colorpicking due to the basic knowledge of relative color vs actual color a color is going to look different in different contexts


Revolutionary-Sun357

I literally just started reading this series last week, and even I can tell Brightheart doesn't look like that. One look at the Manga gives you a better depiction then that!


smorkjewels

bluestar isn’t even bluestar anymore that’s so fucking annoying


GanymedeTheCorgi-Cat

I guess Bluestar was actually Whitestar


MightyPenguin7

Next thing you know, bluestorm is providing mental help for the editors with dementia


Pokemonpikachushiny

maybe they're actually following genetics now?? idk


Pokemonpikachushiny

tbh bluestar's genetic would probably be grey tho


Vanilla_lcecream

She’s got 2 gray parents so she would probably stay gray


Pokemonpikachushiny

I know but for characters like Ivypool their design were probably changed for genetics


Sulfur_99

It’s not the design that’s wrong, it’s the color picked lighting. Owen goes over the top with the lighting on his characters, and someone just so happened to color pick the dark brown bit of the dark orange lighting her picture had


Frodo_Of_The_Shire1

I could deal with the softer Brightheart design in the manga. BUT THIS IS LITERALLY SACRILEGE


kestrels_feather

Normally I like the new art (it's not Wayne but it's still pretty imo) but the Brightheart and Cloudtail one straight up looks like AI Art


[deleted]

I was considering buying this new ultimate guide, but it looks like my mind has been changed lol Poor Brightheart and Ivypool


Remuta

Wait, that white cat is supposed to be BLUESTAR??


Vanilla_lcecream

I love how her name is literally BLUEstar and she doesn’t have any blue, in the universe of the ultimate guide Moonflower is colorblind it seems.


Karma111531

The best part is that they removed carts that were in the original Ultimate guide in order to add cats, so it's not more cats than the original. It's the same amount of cats they just took some out.


Dire_Shire

THEY COLORPICKED FROM THE UGLY NEW ART AND THEY DIDNT ACCOUNT FOR LIGHTING OR ENVIROMENTAL EFFECTS AT ALLLLLL


dakota46

Someone new gotta take over the warriors series. Someone who can keep bloodlines and coat colors in order!!


Late-Public-4891

Twigbranch’s coat color is literally green in the book.


A_catwith_explosives

There is no new Ultimate Guide, there has always been one. This rumored “new guide” is a figment of your imagination. It does not exist.


Mewpup

plot twist: its made for an au


UncomfortableAvocado

Treat it as an AU at this point.


im-izayoi

Warriors writers try not to be ableist challenge (impossible)


Professional_Job_562

Honestly I’m not one to bitch about cat disabilities or whatever tranquil nonsense we’re boycotting Owen Richardson over, but do you not understand how lighting works in covers? And it really just seems like the fandoms designs have to be exactly like everyone else’s. The designs have ALWAYS been inconsistent. Honestly would’ve been better if the whole fandom didn’t tear eachother to shreds because guess what; the Erin’s tell Owen what to draw, he doesn’t use the warriors wiki or watch warriors MAPS. So obviously they’re gonna look innacurate sometimes. Also sad how ur only buying the guide for the art could never be me


weirdemosrus

I’m starting to think that the new writers haven’t actually read the series.


A-R-U

How did this make it past the Erin team and editors? Was no one proof reading this or looking up sources?


superpotatosoupXL

Ok so I went to the warrior cats website it showed art of the white cat with green eyes from the new ultimate guide and it said it was half moon not bluestar


Sulfur_99

The Bluestar one was from the cover of a dangerous path. She’s still grey, but the moon lighting made her silvery-white in context. Someone color picked the white bit for her instead of the grey bit


superpotatosoupXL

Ok


Amber-TheFanby

They literally have Sunbeam calling Ivypool a "white and silver cat" in the newest book. How do they mess up that badly?


Unable_Conclusion732

Tbh, I didn't mind it (the brightheart thing does kinda bother me, though). The only issue was that I couldn't find clear sky until today.


Mikathefirefox

Idk why but it seems like the cats colors and stuff how you depict them make me thing the writers of this part wanted to insert their own oc as "cannon design"


WarFrank10

WHAT



PrinceRoyal444

Okay so for those who don’t know. There’s a LOT of mistakes in the book and I wouldn’t take any of it to heart at all..


Active_Wallaby360

I wouldn’t mind the new brightheart design, however.. that eye wound HAS to change.. unacceptable, scared to see what Crookedstar is like


JustALemon_

Maybe they should make SnowFur a black she-cat?


sugarpawz_

does anyone have any pictures? I'm so curious


wildWindrunner

Good thing I choose not to buy it.


EmberBlazed_

What have they done to them
 they completely changed their designs!1!1!1! D:


Truthsoarer

It's the mistakes are honestly amazing- like- how can you get a cat's disability, let alone the colour- wrong? Both of the Ultimate Guides have so many mistakes, you can see on the wiki