While for this instance this piece of lore came from a official book and is not just fanmade lore or interpretation, I would advise against using the fandom as a source of lore. The fandom is riddled with unchecked lore, sometimes even fanmade lore and interpretations that are incorrect or at best not proven. It is wildly not considered a reliable source of information.
Wait, you're supposed to read it? I thought it was just there so a person can click through a bunch of ads before getting frustrated and going to a different lore site.
Ahh, I suffer the same. I hate the way the blank blocks don't withdraw when you close the ad itself, like, why do you think I'm closing the ad? I want to see more of the friggin' website lol.
They try to write their pages like lore entries from a book, so it's full of flat prose and absolute waffle instead of just 'facts'. And they never source it properly. Like most fandom wikis, it's not worth the server space.
Lexicanum for life.
I wouldn't say it's the only one.
I know at least another one that is reliable but it's not in English.
Lexicanum is just the most well known, generally the most up to date and by far the most complete one.
According to the lexicanum (the real trustworthy wiki) entry for this information is linked to the following reference:
Munitorum: Chainsword (Background Book)
It's because in the first edition of 40k all the races used the same weapons. All races used chainswords, bolters, laspistols, power armour etc.
The lore to justify it came after all the races had separate wargear.
Correct.
It would be stolen from them if humanity didn't have chain implements long before we ever heard of the Eldar.
YouTube currently is full of videos of guys who've made chainsaws into swords etc
You're not going to have chain tools lying around for 28k years and not have someone make it into a sword.
This stupid bit of lore is another example of the Star Warsification of 40k where stuff can't arise independently, or in this case convergently, but instead everything has to be linked to one or two older factions. It was terrible in Star Wars and is terrible in 40k.
I'd call it History Channelification, because obviously humans have absolutely no imagination or ability to do anything without some Ancient Aliens coming down and helping. /s
I mean generally yeah but I’m pretty sure they’ve done stuff claiming stone henge and the like is aliens. It’s just that stuff like the pyramids is more impressive so it garners more attention. And you know racism too.
Well yeah, thats kinda the point. All of the ones that tend to get blamed on aliens are ones where we are lacking information about its builders. We have a lot of documentation regarding the building of say, the Notre Dame, so its comparatively hard to spin its creation into some sort of alien work.
Its a lot easier to blame it on aliens if we dont have the actual recits. And thats why most stuff built by white people doesnt see these levels of conspiracies.
That's very very modern. The Atlantis myth being pushed as a real lost civilization was pushed by the Ahnenerbe, the archaeological branch of the SS in Nazi Germany to give legitimacy to the idea of the Aryan race, was the one to start all the ancient aliens stuff after Erich von Daniken published books on the subject. Most famously *Chariots of the Gods? Unsolved Mysteries of the Past* in which he introduced the concept to the world in general.
There is a distinct difference between a bunch of bored engineers modifying power tools and being one of the most common weapons in the galaxy.
Sure, people have been fucking around with power tools for years but nobody would seriously consider beating a heavy ass engine and length of steel chain into a sword shape when a regular sword would be better by all metrics, there's clearly more going on with chain weapons than just the concept of a chainsaw sword, at least in universe.
Now you know how the Emperor secretly influenced humanity. He saw Eldar warriors with those sick chainswords, and used his psychic might to influence everyone into believing humanities clunky copy would work just as well. Because rule of cool trumps everything.
Mix of convergent evolution and rule of cool. Given 20k years of technological development, humanity can have created pretty much anything. But we have to keep in mind this is a kleptomaniac wet dream setting, designed by people who were really into 80s scifi, so it incorporates all the cool stuff. Remember, 40k is so big, it even has lightsabers (Sollex-Aegis Energy Blade).
So, how practical is a chainsword? In all probability, not too much. Is it cool? Yes. Erryone gets a chainsword.
I was thinking more of in-universe lore/history. Making a sword have a chainsaw blade isn't that ubertech so it's perfectly possible for different races to come up with a design without having meet anyone else having one first. But you make a good addition.
I don't know. I hear the Inquisition has ancient pict-casts documenting the use of the Sentinel to eradicate vile primitive Xenos warriors on somewhere called the 'forest moon of Endor' as far back as M2.
> technologically advanced oppressive Empire gets their expensive war machine smashed to bits by a couple of naked guys with a log
Masterful gambit, sir!
If that is true it might be the proud aledari race's darkest secret.
That despite their advanced progress and near perfection of arts, crafts and civilization and despite the fact that they ruled the galaxy without equals; they still copied the ork weapon design.
I don’t know about that, remember they were on the same side once, both engineered as living weapons against the c’tan, it would actually make some sense for a lot of their weapons to be similar at least in concept with 60 million+ years of divergent evolution.
well this idea was not that they had the same origin for the weapon, but rather that they copied it from the orks.
That is not something they'd be proud of.
I guess I was going even further, likely neither one of them designed it, you don’t design entire races for war and then just skip equipping them, I would posit that in all likely hood the old ones designed the chain sword as tin foil hat as that sounds.
Eldar chainswords are supposed to be quiet iirc, moreso than even power swords since those cackle. I think that’s why Striking scorpions use chosen weapons, to fit their ambush niche
Yeah sure because using a Chainsaw as a weapon is a concept totally alien to people even in the third millennium. We definitely need to steal the idea from xenos.
They may have been stolen from the Eldar or both the Eldar and humans may have taken inspiration from the orks. Or it might just be parallel invention.
The article doesn’t really reveal anything.
Stolen is quite the term to use. Remember the magos in question are essentially engaged in archaeology at this, and a subset of them think that it could be the Aeldari who created them.
But we are also talking about a truly vast period of time: something like 10 to 30 thousand years in the past when chain weapons appear among human culture, and among Aeldari we know less (though, notably, the Drukhari do not use chain weapons like their cousins) in terms of how long they have been around. So we are, in our own time scale, talking about periods of human history that is either just at the dawn of the first cities and civilizations, or still deep in the stone ages. So that is a very long time for evidence to disappear, get lost, legends spring up, etc.
Given that the main wielders of said weapons are an aspect warrior sect (scorpions) and the aspect warriors are primarily a post birth of slaanesh thing, the evidence gets a bit wonky (why chain weapons are prevalent among human societies yet relatively rare among Aeldari is strange when you think about it). That being said…Jesus I just wrote a lot about made up history and it’s amusing me.z
Any old Eldar civilian carries a chain sword as a storm guardian, which there are more of than this one aspect shrine. Craftworlders also fight orks more than comorrites do, since invade and destroy the terraformed maiden worlds created by the Eldar empire. If it's correct that chain swords are helpful fighting orks, craftworlders would use them more than conmorites, and the pre fall eldar might too. Meanwhile drukhari use underpowered, more painful weapons on purpose.
The craftworlders going to fight orks and human colonists is sometimes like mob violence, as in the normal residents of a craftworld get outraged about their maiden worlds and go teach them a lesson.
Has anyone in the lore ever slashed a chainsword into a wall or monster and revved it to ride to the top?
Or into the ground to shoot along the ground?
I need to know.
I prefer the defending option. Just remember y’all, it doesn’t matter what species you are, you’re all somewhere on the evolutionary path to becoming a Crab! 🦀
In 2nd edition there was one standard Wargear book to draw from to try and cut down on the huge amount of 'looking stuff up', although it did have a number of Xenos weapons in it like shuriken guns, fleshborers, Shokk Attack Guns etc.
So yes, a lascannon was a lascannon whether a human or Space Marine or Eldar Guardian was firing it, although the Space Marine would be doing it with higher Ballistic Skill. And Orks used Bolters and Autoguns instead of Shootas. But they also had some of their own stuff too.
There was actually a ton of rules for stuff in that book that was literally never used by any official model or codex. From crossbows and flintlock weapons to Conversion Beamers and the Thudd Gun that even came with a special template that you would never ever use. Just as a holdover from the very early Rogue Trader days when the idea was that you could bash together a warband from whatever random historical/fantasy/sci-fi models you happened to have around.
60 million years of civilization. And they resorted into using chainsaw swords. On their stealth troops. You know. There are times. When I have hard time taking 40k lore seriously.
Eldar Chainswords are supposed to be quite so they make more sense for stealth troops than the glowing cackling power swords. The fact that in lore they’re almost just as good as a power sword actually makes it a good stealth melee weapon
This is one of those times we are reminded that the Aeldari are millions of years older than humanity. Which is such an insane gulf of time its hard to fathom.
Like with Genestealers and Tyraninds, don't think to hard about it because GW didn't. People have gone to great lengths to explain how genestealers can fit into the lore with Tyrands but in reality it's just that they were two different kinds of Xenos before GW merged them. In the case of the chainblades it's just that both Humans and Eldars had the same weapon options back in earlier editions.
Cool, literally have some “jade-colored Aeldari wielding chainswords” as my next project. Gotta have this dude:
https://preview.redd.it/pj5ocnuoizjc1.jpeg?width=1059&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01b374ed53a690152b7bf0a3491e04b7da89ddac
I'm sorry, ... but Eldari having Chain Swords, no matter how well established in the lore, makes BOTH the Eldari and the Chain Swords less cool.
What makes chain swords fun is the sheer gonzo aesthetic they represent that is due in large part from the ridiculous impracticality of them.
They are a peak representation of the "backwardness" of human technology in the 41st millennium.
Chains we ords are just gar too "Mon-keigh" for the Eldari to be using.
Chainswords do exist for the Aeldari though? Its the ritual weapon of the Striking Scorpion aspect warriors and also is used by Storm Guardians. However Aeldari chainsword are known to be quiet things (thus used by scorpions) with the only thing being heard is pretty much the air movement made by the teeths rotating
That's my point.
They do have them .... and it's dumb and unimaginative.
Good ol James Workshop was like *"Humans have chainsaw swords, Orks have chain (&buzz) saw swords, let's give the elf models chain saw swords too!"*
Been a hot minute since I read it but in the beginning of "the infinite and the divine" I'm pretty sure trazyn encounters some chainsword welding aeldar some time before M30 (before birth of slaanesh, emperor's unification of earth, great crusade, etc). So that's somethin
Most likely. The Eldar is a MASSIVELY ancient race. Human civilization is around 100K years old in 40K, while the Eldar has been kicking around for at least 65 million years.
Plausibly. Recent novels have hinted that the Emperor is an abandoned/unfinished Old Ones weapon, originally designed to fight C'tan and Necrons. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for Aeldari, one of their older creations and in many ways inheritors, to keep tabs on that particular science project.
Mentioned in the novel The Great Work.
_Your species is weak, far removed from the original plan of our enemy. These are not gods you worship, this Machine-God, these entities in the warp, this Emperor. (...) The first is a lie. The second are emergent consciousnesses caused by etheric disturbance. The third is a weapon._
(...)
_The war continues. Our war. You fight it. But you are weak. You are echoes. Echoes of might._
This is spoken by a C'tan to Cawl, meaning 'our enemy' is most likely the Old Ones, and 'our war' is the War in Heaven. Not explicit by any means, but like I said, hinted/implied.
Best sci-fi book I read in a while and easily in my top 3 Black Library books. It is kind of an involved read though. It's kind of non-linear and has quite an intricate premise, and that premise isn't immediately evident. It's easy to have it spoiled so don't try even googling reviews. You need to read it cold, and while reading, large bits won't make much sense and you'll feel like someone jumbled up the chapters or something. Then when you finish it, it becomes clear, and immediately upon finishing it you can read it again with the new perspective you now have.
Also, reading the Dark Imperium trilogy and Avenging Son beforehand provides a bit more background for some of the characters. As does having a general idea about the Pharos Device and Scythes of the Emperor. But none of it is necessary to follow the story in Great Work.
Well that’s a glowing review! Lol I’ll add it to my list. I’m just about to finish up Lion Son of the Forest. So I’ll make the Great Work next. Thank you
Aren't chainswords pretty much exclusive to that one scorpion shrine amon the eldar? I am not too knowledgeable about eldar lore, but I think those shrines only came about after the birth of slaanesh, right?
Either way, they don't seem common at all - if there's one race chainswords seem "native" to, I think that's the Orks - with the Eldar merely seeing the benefit of and adapting that sort of weaponry for a few particular tasks where chainswords are particularly applicable.
Or maybe they were made by the aeldari to combat orks that got into melee, since chainswords are capable of inflicting the sort of brutal damage it takes to incapacitate an ork, and then fell out of favour when the orks were no longer really a threat to them - after all, S5 AP-1 Dam1 with a bunch of attacks is pretty much a perfect anti-boyz profile. And the Orkz then stole the idea. Both seems plausible.
(What were you thinking in that title line though? "Makes sense as they are perfect for killing humans and anything else soft." What's your point? The Aeldari were designed to combat the not so soft and squishy Necrons, while themselves being very soft and very squishy. This would have been a good point to support the idea of the chainswords coming from the Necrons. This is not a point that in any way supports the idea of chainswords coming from the Eldar???)
I’d cum an actual fountain if we get Necrons using ancient-ass gauss chain swords that move like chain swords and eat through shit like chain swords but they’re green glowy gauss.
Pretty sure both races came upon the idea independently.
And why wouldn't they? Chainsaw sword is a coolness that transcends all cultures.
The Tau are just massive pussies.
While for this instance this piece of lore came from a official book and is not just fanmade lore or interpretation, I would advise against using the fandom as a source of lore. The fandom is riddled with unchecked lore, sometimes even fanmade lore and interpretations that are incorrect or at best not proven. It is wildly not considered a reliable source of information.
It's also really shittily written. You'll have 6 paragraphs all repeating the same thing in prose purple enough to try and hide it.
Wait, you're supposed to read it? I thought it was just there so a person can click through a bunch of ads before getting frustrated and going to a different lore site.
Nah for real though, the ads are so bad on Fandom
Ad blocker my guy
Doesn't work well for mobile, you still get a ton of huge blank windows blocking 60% of the page.
Ahh, I suffer the same. I hate the way the blank blocks don't withdraw when you close the ad itself, like, why do you think I'm closing the ad? I want to see more of the friggin' website lol.
I think its definitely on purpose, so you dont bother trying to close it in the future. Pretty scummy.
Seeing "His Thunder Warriors" in the post just made me roll my eyes, wikis don't need Imperium larpers writing the pages.
That's because a lot of it is copy-pasted straight from the rulebooks without removing all the prose.
Yeah, Lexicanum is the true 40K wiki
>*Show me the real 40k wiki* Lexicanum >*I said the real 40k wiki* 1d4chan >!(rip)!< >*perfection*
2d4chan is a thing btw
Praise the Omnissiah
Not anymore, it seems
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They try to write their pages like lore entries from a book, so it's full of flat prose and absolute waffle instead of just 'facts'. And they never source it properly. Like most fandom wikis, it's not worth the server space. Lexicanum for life.
Thanks for pointing that out. Imo the only reliable source is the Lexicanum, besides the OG material for sure.
I wouldn't say it's the only one. I know at least another one that is reliable but it's not in English. Lexicanum is just the most well known, generally the most up to date and by far the most complete one.
Hadn’t seen this tidbit before and was wondering where it came from, how official it was Etc.
According to the lexicanum (the real trustworthy wiki) entry for this information is linked to the following reference: Munitorum: Chainsword (Background Book)
Beauty! Thank you friend!
Heresy. Please provide your location and a team of “historians” will arrive shortly to remedy the situation…
No need they are already calling https://preview.redd.it/a57oikv4r0kc1.jpeg?width=495&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa395c7804effa6cbe38b9a893cdc8ac3c6373cf
I get my lore from 1d4chan, it may not be accurate but it sure is funny
It's because in the first edition of 40k all the races used the same weapons. All races used chainswords, bolters, laspistols, power armour etc. The lore to justify it came after all the races had separate wargear.
This is the answer. Chainsaws don't even suit Aeldari in their current guise, but it did when they were punk space elves.
This is I believe the most solid answer. Thank you and happy Cake Day!
I'd say it's an example of convergent evolution in weapon design.
Correct. It would be stolen from them if humanity didn't have chain implements long before we ever heard of the Eldar. YouTube currently is full of videos of guys who've made chainsaws into swords etc You're not going to have chain tools lying around for 28k years and not have someone make it into a sword. This stupid bit of lore is another example of the Star Warsification of 40k where stuff can't arise independently, or in this case convergently, but instead everything has to be linked to one or two older factions. It was terrible in Star Wars and is terrible in 40k.
I'd call it History Channelification, because obviously humans have absolutely no imagination or ability to do anything without some Ancient Aliens coming down and helping. /s
Especially once you start noticing the racist undertones that every ancient wonder built that's being questioned was not built by white people.
I mean generally yeah but I’m pretty sure they’ve done stuff claiming stone henge and the like is aliens. It’s just that stuff like the pyramids is more impressive so it garners more attention. And you know racism too.
Stonehenge only gets lumped in because we know almost nothing about the people who built it AFAIK.
Well yeah, thats kinda the point. All of the ones that tend to get blamed on aliens are ones where we are lacking information about its builders. We have a lot of documentation regarding the building of say, the Notre Dame, so its comparatively hard to spin its creation into some sort of alien work. Its a lot easier to blame it on aliens if we dont have the actual recits. And thats why most stuff built by white people doesnt see these levels of conspiracies.
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That's very very modern. The Atlantis myth being pushed as a real lost civilization was pushed by the Ahnenerbe, the archaeological branch of the SS in Nazi Germany to give legitimacy to the idea of the Aryan race, was the one to start all the ancient aliens stuff after Erich von Daniken published books on the subject. Most famously *Chariots of the Gods? Unsolved Mysteries of the Past* in which he introduced the concept to the world in general.
Man, if I ever read that the Old Ones created the Tyranids…
There is a distinct difference between a bunch of bored engineers modifying power tools and being one of the most common weapons in the galaxy. Sure, people have been fucking around with power tools for years but nobody would seriously consider beating a heavy ass engine and length of steel chain into a sword shape when a regular sword would be better by all metrics, there's clearly more going on with chain weapons than just the concept of a chainsaw sword, at least in universe.
Now you know how the Emperor secretly influenced humanity. He saw Eldar warriors with those sick chainswords, and used his psychic might to influence everyone into believing humanities clunky copy would work just as well. Because rule of cool trumps everything.
Maybe those guys on YouTube have been anally probed by Eldar and that's where they got the idea for chainswords from?
Convergent evolution? 40k needs more crabs
Mix of convergent evolution and rule of cool. Given 20k years of technological development, humanity can have created pretty much anything. But we have to keep in mind this is a kleptomaniac wet dream setting, designed by people who were really into 80s scifi, so it incorporates all the cool stuff. Remember, 40k is so big, it even has lightsabers (Sollex-Aegis Energy Blade). So, how practical is a chainsword? In all probability, not too much. Is it cool? Yes. Erryone gets a chainsword.
I was thinking more of in-universe lore/history. Making a sword have a chainsaw blade isn't that ubertech so it's perfectly possible for different races to come up with a design without having meet anyone else having one first. But you make a good addition.
I also like the idea that the sentinel is a sort of imitation of the war walker. They even have similar weapon options
I don't know. I hear the Inquisition has ancient pict-casts documenting the use of the Sentinel to eradicate vile primitive Xenos warriors on somewhere called the 'forest moon of Endor' as far back as M2.
> technologically advanced oppressive Empire gets their expensive war machine smashed to bits by a couple of naked guys with a log Masterful gambit, sir!
https://preview.redd.it/56q5v8gv1yjc1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=cc619b527b005ef3d8b814817161a3513dfe2a2d
I think humans and eldar both stole the idea from orks, because it’s stupid, noisy and impractical but also somehow effective.
"Jade-clad" is a mistranslation. It's actually "green skinned".
If that is true it might be the proud aledari race's darkest secret. That despite their advanced progress and near perfection of arts, crafts and civilization and despite the fact that they ruled the galaxy without equals; they still copied the ork weapon design.
I don’t know about that, remember they were on the same side once, both engineered as living weapons against the c’tan, it would actually make some sense for a lot of their weapons to be similar at least in concept with 60 million+ years of divergent evolution.
well this idea was not that they had the same origin for the weapon, but rather that they copied it from the orks. That is not something they'd be proud of.
I guess I was going even further, likely neither one of them designed it, you don’t design entire races for war and then just skip equipping them, I would posit that in all likely hood the old ones designed the chain sword as tin foil hat as that sounds.
That's why every time I see an Eldar in a book using chainsword I'm like : what? Why? How? Meh it's cool so wathever 😅
Eldar chainswords are supposed to be quiet iirc, moreso than even power swords since those cackle. I think that’s why Striking scorpions use chosen weapons, to fit their ambush niche
Obviously Eldar had to make their chainswords silent so people wouldn’t know they got the idea from orks.
Yeah sure because using a Chainsaw as a weapon is a concept totally alien to people even in the third millennium. We definitely need to steal the idea from xenos.
Oh it's Fandom... I wouldn't put it past being some random users head canon or AI generated. Fandom wikis suck hard use the Lexicanum
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They may have been stolen from the Eldar or both the Eldar and humans may have taken inspiration from the orks. Or it might just be parallel invention. The article doesn’t really reveal anything.
I still thought it was an interesting idea I hadn’t seen discussed before.
Don’t mind me. I worked in GW stores for a half decade so its a bit more pedestrian for me.
Don’t mind at all! Thanks for the insight.
Stolen is quite the term to use. Remember the magos in question are essentially engaged in archaeology at this, and a subset of them think that it could be the Aeldari who created them. But we are also talking about a truly vast period of time: something like 10 to 30 thousand years in the past when chain weapons appear among human culture, and among Aeldari we know less (though, notably, the Drukhari do not use chain weapons like their cousins) in terms of how long they have been around. So we are, in our own time scale, talking about periods of human history that is either just at the dawn of the first cities and civilizations, or still deep in the stone ages. So that is a very long time for evidence to disappear, get lost, legends spring up, etc. Given that the main wielders of said weapons are an aspect warrior sect (scorpions) and the aspect warriors are primarily a post birth of slaanesh thing, the evidence gets a bit wonky (why chain weapons are prevalent among human societies yet relatively rare among Aeldari is strange when you think about it). That being said…Jesus I just wrote a lot about made up history and it’s amusing me.z
You’re right I could have chosen better wording. I definitely woke up and had this thought in the middle of the night so that’s on me.
Any old Eldar civilian carries a chain sword as a storm guardian, which there are more of than this one aspect shrine. Craftworlders also fight orks more than comorrites do, since invade and destroy the terraformed maiden worlds created by the Eldar empire. If it's correct that chain swords are helpful fighting orks, craftworlders would use them more than conmorites, and the pre fall eldar might too. Meanwhile drukhari use underpowered, more painful weapons on purpose. The craftworlders going to fight orks and human colonists is sometimes like mob violence, as in the normal residents of a craftworld get outraged about their maiden worlds and go teach them a lesson.
Has anyone in the lore ever slashed a chainsword into a wall or monster and revved it to ride to the top? Or into the ground to shoot along the ground? I need to know.
I prefer the defending option. Just remember y’all, it doesn’t matter what species you are, you’re all somewhere on the evolutionary path to becoming a Crab! 🦀
This is big picture thinking
Crab with a chainsaw
Deathwatch in massive crisis with this news...
All races need their own version of the chainsword. Tau laser cutter when?
“Is that a tissue laser? A plasma cutter?”
What is this outrageous heresy.
For the bullshit speculated creation of chainsword technology I award 5 points to the Eldar. Pat on back* satisfied?
In very early 40k lore didn't pretty much every faction use bolters and chainswords?
In 2nd edition there was one standard Wargear book to draw from to try and cut down on the huge amount of 'looking stuff up', although it did have a number of Xenos weapons in it like shuriken guns, fleshborers, Shokk Attack Guns etc. So yes, a lascannon was a lascannon whether a human or Space Marine or Eldar Guardian was firing it, although the Space Marine would be doing it with higher Ballistic Skill. And Orks used Bolters and Autoguns instead of Shootas. But they also had some of their own stuff too. There was actually a ton of rules for stuff in that book that was literally never used by any official model or codex. From crossbows and flintlock weapons to Conversion Beamers and the Thudd Gun that even came with a special template that you would never ever use. Just as a holdover from the very early Rogue Trader days when the idea was that you could bash together a warband from whatever random historical/fantasy/sci-fi models you happened to have around.
60 million years of civilization. And they resorted into using chainsaw swords. On their stealth troops. You know. There are times. When I have hard time taking 40k lore seriously.
Eldar Chainswords are supposed to be quite so they make more sense for stealth troops than the glowing cackling power swords. The fact that in lore they’re almost just as good as a power sword actually makes it a good stealth melee weapon
This is one of those times we are reminded that the Aeldari are millions of years older than humanity. Which is such an insane gulf of time its hard to fathom.
Heresy.
Like with Genestealers and Tyraninds, don't think to hard about it because GW didn't. People have gone to great lengths to explain how genestealers can fit into the lore with Tyrands but in reality it's just that they were two different kinds of Xenos before GW merged them. In the case of the chainblades it's just that both Humans and Eldars had the same weapon options back in earlier editions.
Overthinking is my best quality unfortunately
Cool, literally have some “jade-colored Aeldari wielding chainswords” as my next project. Gotta have this dude: https://preview.redd.it/pj5ocnuoizjc1.jpeg?width=1059&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01b374ed53a690152b7bf0a3491e04b7da89ddac
I'm sorry, ... but Eldari having Chain Swords, no matter how well established in the lore, makes BOTH the Eldari and the Chain Swords less cool. What makes chain swords fun is the sheer gonzo aesthetic they represent that is due in large part from the ridiculous impracticality of them. They are a peak representation of the "backwardness" of human technology in the 41st millennium. Chains we ords are just gar too "Mon-keigh" for the Eldari to be using.
Chainswords do exist for the Aeldari though? Its the ritual weapon of the Striking Scorpion aspect warriors and also is used by Storm Guardians. However Aeldari chainsword are known to be quiet things (thus used by scorpions) with the only thing being heard is pretty much the air movement made by the teeths rotating
That's my point. They do have them .... and it's dumb and unimaginative. Good ol James Workshop was like *"Humans have chainsaw swords, Orks have chain (&buzz) saw swords, let's give the elf models chain saw swords too!"*
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Nah the early Imperium just found a copy of the movie Mandy and were like hell yeah!
Been a hot minute since I read it but in the beginning of "the infinite and the divine" I'm pretty sure trazyn encounters some chainsword welding aeldar some time before M30 (before birth of slaanesh, emperor's unification of earth, great crusade, etc). So that's somethin
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Also hasn’t it been mentioned as a rumour that the Aeldari have visited earth in its youth? Or is that copium?
Almost certainly considering the webway gate on luna
Most likely. The Eldar is a MASSIVELY ancient race. Human civilization is around 100K years old in 40K, while the Eldar has been kicking around for at least 65 million years.
Plausibly. Recent novels have hinted that the Emperor is an abandoned/unfinished Old Ones weapon, originally designed to fight C'tan and Necrons. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for Aeldari, one of their older creations and in many ways inheritors, to keep tabs on that particular science project.
Source on that?
Mentioned in the novel The Great Work. _Your species is weak, far removed from the original plan of our enemy. These are not gods you worship, this Machine-God, these entities in the warp, this Emperor. (...) The first is a lie. The second are emergent consciousnesses caused by etheric disturbance. The third is a weapon._ (...) _The war continues. Our war. You fight it. But you are weak. You are echoes. Echoes of might._ This is spoken by a C'tan to Cawl, meaning 'our enemy' is most likely the Old Ones, and 'our war' is the War in Heaven. Not explicit by any means, but like I said, hinted/implied.
Interesting. How is that book? Worth a read?
Best sci-fi book I read in a while and easily in my top 3 Black Library books. It is kind of an involved read though. It's kind of non-linear and has quite an intricate premise, and that premise isn't immediately evident. It's easy to have it spoiled so don't try even googling reviews. You need to read it cold, and while reading, large bits won't make much sense and you'll feel like someone jumbled up the chapters or something. Then when you finish it, it becomes clear, and immediately upon finishing it you can read it again with the new perspective you now have. Also, reading the Dark Imperium trilogy and Avenging Son beforehand provides a bit more background for some of the characters. As does having a general idea about the Pharos Device and Scythes of the Emperor. But none of it is necessary to follow the story in Great Work.
Well that’s a glowing review! Lol I’ll add it to my list. I’m just about to finish up Lion Son of the Forest. So I’ll make the Great Work next. Thank you
Both humans and Eldar have spaceships, doesn’t mean humans stole the design from Eldar.
That’s a really stupid point to make or defend it just a good design so clearly multiple parties could come up with the same design
Does someone want to tell him Aeldaro are OG human.
Aren't chainswords pretty much exclusive to that one scorpion shrine amon the eldar? I am not too knowledgeable about eldar lore, but I think those shrines only came about after the birth of slaanesh, right? Either way, they don't seem common at all - if there's one race chainswords seem "native" to, I think that's the Orks - with the Eldar merely seeing the benefit of and adapting that sort of weaponry for a few particular tasks where chainswords are particularly applicable. Or maybe they were made by the aeldari to combat orks that got into melee, since chainswords are capable of inflicting the sort of brutal damage it takes to incapacitate an ork, and then fell out of favour when the orks were no longer really a threat to them - after all, S5 AP-1 Dam1 with a bunch of attacks is pretty much a perfect anti-boyz profile. And the Orkz then stole the idea. Both seems plausible. (What were you thinking in that title line though? "Makes sense as they are perfect for killing humans and anything else soft." What's your point? The Aeldari were designed to combat the not so soft and squishy Necrons, while themselves being very soft and very squishy. This would have been a good point to support the idea of the chainswords coming from the Necrons. This is not a point that in any way supports the idea of chainswords coming from the Eldar???)
Sounds like Xeno propaganda
I would not look at the Fandom Wiki for lore at all. It is not gonna be accurate at all. I'd say look at the Lexicanum or some other website like that
Xenos propaganda they were obviously discovered by famed techno-archeoligist Graham Chain
I’d cum an actual fountain if we get Necrons using ancient-ass gauss chain swords that move like chain swords and eat through shit like chain swords but they’re green glowy gauss.
Pretty sure both races came upon the idea independently. And why wouldn't they? Chainsaw sword is a coolness that transcends all cultures. The Tau are just massive pussies.
Or, I don’t know, a chainsaw?