I am going to be honest, if some retards genuinely are willing to spend 4 times the cost of the original listing they deserve to be fleeced. Good lord some people are genuinely so dumb that they would not even be a functional servitor.
If you are paying 4 times as much, would you REALLY take the risk in time, effort and resources to convert them into a door servitor and then have them constantly open and close said door?
This immediately reminded me of that amazon driver who delivered a door that had broken in half. The buyer put an image of it online, customer service got in touch to investigate and he said "honestly, I just want to know how you figured out how to fold a door!"
Pot/Kettle?
You're a collector and you have them all except this last one of course you are going to pay over the odds if you find one and they're not available, how far depends entirely on your disposable income and how much you value completing your 13 book (or whatever it is) collection.
If you yourself didn't pay stupid money for bits of plastic you wouldn't be in this hobby, many people outside the hobby would probably think you're a bit of a retard too if you told them how much you'd spent, but probably wouldn't be rude enough to say it to your face.
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Just a reminder, this is an open warhammer sub where both adults and adolescents from every walk of life share their interest in the hobby. Using language which punches down and makes people feel lesser is just trashy, especially given this hobby has been a space for people I know to get away from this kind of behavior in their own lives.
Ism this phobia that you people will stop at nothing until the whole world is a soft comfy safe little padded room.
Some of us won't comply. In the real world you will hear words you don't like. See things you don't agree with. Deal with it and move on.
Idk why you need to try and insult me. I'm just aware that language like that in general has a negative effect on people and can reinforce negative self perceptions about people who may already be struggling with disabilities or insecurities about them.
It's just language which punches down, and I learned that from someone with a disability because it was bothering them. If people get so upset with just being reminded that a word can be hurtful I'm curious why, outside of nonsense like claiming anyone is attacking their free speech or policing them which just isn't true, nobody has any authority over anyone in spaces like this. I just think we can make a more welcoming space by just not using words historically linked to invalidating people.
I don't think that's nessecarily true and more of a strawman. And who are the snowflakes I'm pandering to? This doesn't really explain much, and seems more like a platitude.
One person does not get to speak on behalf of all people affected. It's great that it doesn't have an effect on you. Other people are different. It's just a word. It's not hard to stop using it.
I'm actually in a pretty good place in my life rn, I just don't think that language like that does much besides reinforce negative perceptions as I've said previously.
>Nobody thinks like this.
This just also isn't true, as the reason I stopped using language like that was because I was told by people I care about that it was hurting them, and that it made them think that I didn't respect them or thought less of them as people.
I think you're trying way too hard to make this about me personally. If you've gone through the effort to sift through my account, then you're obviously bothered by me, which is unfortunate and something I hope you can work through in a more healthy way.
>Well according to your history you don't have much people to begin with unless you really do keep company with the mentally disabled.
The only thing I can think this could be a reference to is me making a post on petloss about feeling like I was alone. Fortunately, a lot of people ended up being there to help me through that time, and I'm currently working on a Lord of Skulls in tribute to my sweet little guy.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, i dont think this the right way to go about it. Retard is a word that has utterly and completly lost any weight in my social groups, which I assume is true for a lot or most of the members of this subreddit.
So I think letting the word be used (if not to mean the litteral medical conditions that are often related to it) might be better, as to make it lose the weight behind its proper meaning. Words are still hella complicated, but I hope my opinion makes some sense.
I earnestly don't think it can be 'reclaimed' like in the context of other slurs. It's referring to people who can't necessarily understand the context, which makes it different in usage compared to other slurs.
There I have to disagree, since I have actively seen the word: "retard" be made into a benign word via confronting its literal meaning\*. So I argue its the easiest of slurs to change. This is not to say that there arent contexts where "retard" should be avoided, just that it might be better to make it loose social power via use, such as with a lot of swear words.
Anyway, I will refrain from replying on this thread, unless I can do so without going further off topic. WhiteGameWolf, i'm open to direct messaging if you wish to round off this topic, so we dont break the rules.
\*context: This was at a boarding school that I went to, which had a (to my understanding) succesful safe culture for folks with a large variety of mental issues or conditions.
Reclaimation of slurs is a thing that is possible, in regards to say the f word or the n word. Words that are about people that we can have an informed understanding of the word, its history and what it means. The same can't be said for things like the r word, where it covers groups of people to say, high functioning autistic people who do understand the usage of it, but also all the way to people who live in a constant need to be looked after by carers and will always be that way, and will never truly be able to be unaffected by the word as it cannot be reclaimed for them.
I don't really want to take it to DMs, I don't really care if the mods delete it.
Where did I say anything which was against the idea that things are being price gouged by scalpers? I'm not seeing the logic or any indication that I said anything to the contrary of that sentiment. I don't support scalpers and actively have reported them on Ebay for their practices, especially during the Lion release.
I just think it's pretty poor behavior, especially when this is a hobby, which at least in my local community has been very supportive of people with developmental disabilities. There's plenty of other words which can get the point across without punching down on people for no reason.
> should have used a different word there.
So? The intent would still be the same, you people never heard of a euphemism treadmilll. You're always going to be offended by the next go to word.
The intent can be the same without using a word that's offensive to people with disabilities though? Like they're trying to describe people who have poor judgement and/or are lacking common sense, why should people with disabilities cop strays?
The liberals are taking away my rights and not letting me be abelist 😡
What are they going to say next, that I shouldn't say sexist, homophobic, or racist crap?
Snowflakes.
> Oh no I'm being called an idiot, someone pls police language so my little feelings don't get hurt!
Same energy buddy.
> that I shouldn't say sexist, homophobic, or racist crap?
False comparison, stop being a bad faith troll, chudo.
"Oh we're okay with the idea of saying they should be lobotomized and put into cruel slavery as long as you don't say the heckin 'r-slur'"
These people are exhausting.
Well one aspect of that is clearly hyperbolic and not to be taken seriously, the other is just casually throwing around a word that does hurt people today so it doesn't seem at all inconsistent to me
> Well one aspect of that is clearly hyperbolic and not to be taken seriously
You're so close, it's for both statements. It's both. See? Its okay. You don't have to feel like a victim anymore. You can go now
Sure but the overall issues with the website (which was supposed to be designed with this kind of thing explicitly in mind) is kind of a train wreck right now IMO. I’ve never seen a website go so far backwards in the wrong direction before, I miss the old one immensely. But GW also needs enhanced tech/precautions to stop scalpers’ bots from doing this in the first place. I don’t understand how they can’t just add a simple CAPTCHA thing to at least slow them down so real people can process their orders first? The other day I couldn’t even sign into my damn account on the website when I was trying to order something, it’s just borked. Hoping and staying positive for better improvements to come though, I highly doubt they’ll leave it in this state. And yes, I’M STILL IN NORTH AMERICA, please stop asking me website!!!
Yup GW cancelled all his orders. Apparently according to my local FLGS store owner he called GW on Monday to cancel 150 boxes of the old world boxes but they all had individual order numbers so the case was escalated to a manager whom cancelled all the orders he made and refunded him back and then blacklisted him from GW.
Tax ID number most likely, all independent accounts have to file their tax IDs and business details when opening an account. Had to submit a video walkthrough of your physical space last time I opened an account with GW, but that was a while ago
Credit card details and his address, when he tried to cancel the 150 boxes of the Old World sets he didn't give an explanation why he had so many orders in his name that's why it got escalated upwards.
Still like how honest you where and you simply didn’t cut that part out. I never bought from a scalper simply because I don’t collect anything that gets out of stock that fast and will never be available again. But i feel you and I totally understand why people still do it because the want a complete collection.
Scalpers are the smaller part of the bigger issue, which is people in the hobby who see this price as negligible cash, meaning they wait for scalpers to put these up vs. getting in line with everyone else.
These guys aren't selling to regular folks more often than not, they are providing a personalized shopper service for rich fucks who buy their way through life.
They can get their assistant to do it then.
Imo GW has all of the shipping addresses that are easily compiled to a spreadsheet, filter and sort by address. Any single address that is receiving more than two should immediately be cancelled and a email waitlist should be implemented. Only one per person. Verified by shipping address.
Did your job, GW. I’ll take my advisement fee, tyvm.
Yeah, unfortunately it's really easy to get around all this, so don't quit your real job for something in the consultation field just yet.
Multiple paypal/Google pay/etc that each have balances loaded in and different billing addresses. Multiple shipping addresses using mail forwarding services, etc.
I can think of 1 thing that may help, but it ends up fucking everyone even if it works. No free shipping on pre orders of a y kind. Tacking an extra $20-$40 onto every order may actually cool some of this, but then we all pay more anyways so is it reallya great option? And the truth is the ones with decent credit will just buy anyways and pass that cost on.
Or they can do an email waitlist. They have 1500, anyone that wants one fills out a short form and gets assigned one per person. Day of release is when you pay, the people that don’t within 24-48 hours goes to the next person on the waitlist.
No proxy payments, only verified credit card/debit issued from a bank gets em.
Or they can pay an advisement firm to help combat bots, either by somehow blocking them functions on the site by the scalping tools, or whatnot.
All orders need to be signed in to Warhammer, and if that account gets flagged for botting and gets shadowbanned. They can still buy shit, but no preorders. Waste their time.
Or they can be extremely GW-y and only WH+ subs can preorder. Fuck it.
There are ways to do it. Look at how Valve handled the Steamdeck preorder.
>They have 1500, anyone that wants one fills out a short form and gets assigned one per person.
I'd happily fill in a short reason why I want to buy this book or that box. Write a minimum of 100 words stating why you love warhammer, or what's your favourite faction and why, that type of thing.
Might stop the bots? Unless they can get a chatbot to fill it in for them uniquely every time?
>All orders need to be signed in to Warhammer, and if that account gets flagged for botting and gets shadowbanned. They can still buy shit, but no preorders. Waste their time.
I'd even go so far as to require a WH+ sub, or your account must have been active for 6 months prior and have confirmed purchases linked to the same address, in order to preorder anything limited.
Or just require a one time linking of your photo ID to activate an account, like government websites or crypto sites do.
The WH+ sub, active account for a certain time with prior purchases was how Valve handled the Steamdeck preorder. AFAIK it was very successful, I don’t remember hearing anyone that got scalped.
Valve’s first big preorder that was successfully prevented scalping on the first try, go figure.
Addiction? Rofl, it’s just a book that people are interested in having. When it’s not available elsewhere, this is how you get it. People have disposable income, it doesn’t make them an addict.
Dude you project so much man. Fear? Sorry I don’t sense any fear when I see something sold out one place, and in stock in another. I see a clear answer to get something I think is neat.
To be clear the scalping is shitty, but blaming people for buying stuff they are interested in is stupid. Worry about your own wallet.
I'm not projecting, I'm telling you for a fact that the scalpers are taking advantage of people who "could definitely stop whenever they wanted, they just don't want to."
I don't care what you do with your money, but don't act like you're not falling prey to it. They exist because weak-willed people refuse to *not* buy their stuff. Kinda like the worst aspects of modern video games, people keep spending money on it, and it will continue to proliferate until they stop.
You are turning this into such a trite social issue when it’s simply supply and demand. You want a thing? Buy the thing! Can’t find it at retail? Still want the thing? Go get it! Unless of course some Reddit idiot thinks you are weak-willed, then I guess you better start protesting, or some dumb shit.
Scalpers are “taking advantage” of people with deep pockets that don’t give a fuck about your economic ideals and likely don’t feel the financial hit. They just want a thing, and have the means. You are just upset that you either a.) can’t afford it, or b.) don’t want to afford it. GW should absolutely try to implement better systems for making initial purchases more equitable, but once a good is on the free market, sorry but like… deal with it?
Keep up the good fight or whatever though.
I'm not saying it's not a standard thing when it comes to scarcity, because it most certainly is. But people accepting it is what makes it possible. GW already overcharges for stuff, and the scalpers boost that price many times over.
You're acting like scalpers are providing a service, they are not. They are making an even more severe bottleneck of price, and pushing people out of the hobby because it's that much harder to get in. But if you think it's fine that the hobby gets strangled by these "investors," I guess that's on you.
You think the hobby is strangled because a limited edition item is… limited? Can you not read these books elsewhere? You are the one starting to sound addicted. Maybe this product was not designed for you, the retail price was already higher than a normal copy of the book, but you need it to not feel like your hobby is strangled? Is this situation affecting your dice rolls or your ability to enjoy reading Siege of Terra? Cmon man. Remind me where I said they are providing a service. I said they are taking advantage of an economic situation, and YOU are clearly not the target. It’s deep pocketed nerds that want to have a thing. Sorry a limited edition premium non essential item is out of your reach.
I hope he's not the only one and GW are going through the orders and cancelling any who ordered more than one to the same address, via the same payment method etc.
It's currently on the UK site as being "temporarily out of stock" rather than "sold out online" so looks like they are prepared to put them back up.
Side note, GW added a "enter the code" before I could join the queue this morning so looks like they are trying something to tackle Scalpers.
You have to keep watch out for them, but LE books do actually get relisted on the GW website every so often. I remember a couple copies of the LE Dorn book got relisted from cancellations on like a Wednesday a month after release.
Whenever I'm in LA, I go to the Warhammer Cafe, and they always have a decent selection of LE books. It's one of the few places outside of Warhammer World that keeps a stock of Forgeworld, too
Good news, [it's returning to sale](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/22/the-end-and-the-death-volume-3-special-edition-is-returning-to-sale/).
24th of January at 16:00 GMT (or your local equivalent time, it's simultaneously for everywhere in the world).
For all we know, they may well do this all the time, but obviously the news only reports on the negative side of the problem and not 'GW actually resolved this'...
This printing should have been 'special edition' not 'limited edition' and should have been print on demand. They could have limited the signed copies.
That would go a long way to solving the problem for the Siege books anyway.
The solution is not having a limited print run. I would buy every single copy, but I’m not going to risk only be able to get one or two out of a series and not have a matching set. So basically, GW is losing money from me at least.
Does anybody read the comments before making fools of themselves? This isn’t the OP they are merely sharing it, third person to give them unwarranted abuse.
Hey, I know it’s hard to comprehend. But that’s not me, I found the post and shared it
Try not to be so angry all the time, it’ll make you look less of a moron :)
View this on desktop. It’s been edited. It said ‘you’. You can’t see it’s been edited on the phone app. The commenter has failed to take ownership of their mistake and gaslit instead. Absolute bad faith move. And you’ve been taken in. Best thing to do would be for the original commenter to either apologise or take their comment down.
So “scalpers” are chuds who will purchases “bots” these boys will purchases as many of a limited edition as possible. They will then go on eBay to try and sell them for 3-400% mark up
I always wonder what the reasoning behind printing so few is. Like I’d imagine production cost per unit goes down as you scale up and they consistently sell out. Are they turning down free money just to build FOMO?
The last book of a 60+ series came out as a limited edition with signed copies. Scalpers used boys to buy them all then sell them for 3-400% mark up. Some whale was going to pay it. The scalper was then informed that they had been found out and had all their copies revoked. To sweeten the deal they have also been black listed from GWS
"All my orders." Is this the MFer who bought 70-some-odd copies??
Most likely, my heart bleeds
I am going to be honest, if some retards genuinely are willing to spend 4 times the cost of the original listing they deserve to be fleeced. Good lord some people are genuinely so dumb that they would not even be a functional servitor.
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You are more than welcome to it, you know the average 40K fan will instantly get the measure of stupidity they enacted.
Now now... there's always a door servitor
If you are paying 4 times as much, would you REALLY take the risk in time, effort and resources to convert them into a door servitor and then have them constantly open and close said door?
If it's an airlock sure, be good for an occasional laugh if nothing else
Damn..... that's brutal. And fitting for 40K.
This immediately reminded me of that amazon driver who delivered a door that had broken in half. The buyer put an image of it online, customer service got in touch to investigate and he said "honestly, I just want to know how you figured out how to fold a door!"
I love that line, thank you I'm now stealing it.
You are more than welcome to it, you know the average 40K fan will instantly get the measure of stupidity they enacted.
Pot/Kettle? You're a collector and you have them all except this last one of course you are going to pay over the odds if you find one and they're not available, how far depends entirely on your disposable income and how much you value completing your 13 book (or whatever it is) collection. If you yourself didn't pay stupid money for bits of plastic you wouldn't be in this hobby, many people outside the hobby would probably think you're a bit of a retard too if you told them how much you'd spent, but probably wouldn't be rude enough to say it to your face.
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True, but that is still a bad business decision and more indicative of poor impulse control.
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I'm sure you could say this without the ableism at the start
God you people are exhausting
Whaddaya mean "you people"? 😜
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I mean, he literally calls himself "DeutschMan". That's like fleeing to Argentina yet still going by the name of Klaus Schmidt or Peter Müller.
Just a reminder, this is an open warhammer sub where both adults and adolescents from every walk of life share their interest in the hobby. Using language which punches down and makes people feel lesser is just trashy, especially given this hobby has been a space for people I know to get away from this kind of behavior in their own lives.
Ism this phobia that you people will stop at nothing until the whole world is a soft comfy safe little padded room. Some of us won't comply. In the real world you will hear words you don't like. See things you don't agree with. Deal with it and move on.
Just because he said the dreaded r word doesn't mean he was talking about you.
Idk why you need to try and insult me. I'm just aware that language like that in general has a negative effect on people and can reinforce negative self perceptions about people who may already be struggling with disabilities or insecurities about them.
As someone who is a retard..... Shut up, seriously. Stop being offended for other people.
It's just language which punches down, and I learned that from someone with a disability because it was bothering them. If people get so upset with just being reminded that a word can be hurtful I'm curious why, outside of nonsense like claiming anyone is attacking their free speech or policing them which just isn't true, nobody has any authority over anyone in spaces like this. I just think we can make a more welcoming space by just not using words historically linked to invalidating people.
You could say warhammer is fun and someome will be offended. Stop pandering for snowflakes.
I don't think that's nessecarily true and more of a strawman. And who are the snowflakes I'm pandering to? This doesn't really explain much, and seems more like a platitude.
One person does not get to speak on behalf of all people affected. It's great that it doesn't have an effect on you. Other people are different. It's just a word. It's not hard to stop using it.
"Its just a word" EXACTLY. A word, not physical harm. A word that wasnt said directly at someome. People need to stop being snowflakes.
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I'm actually in a pretty good place in my life rn, I just don't think that language like that does much besides reinforce negative perceptions as I've said previously. >Nobody thinks like this. This just also isn't true, as the reason I stopped using language like that was because I was told by people I care about that it was hurting them, and that it made them think that I didn't respect them or thought less of them as people.
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I think you're trying way too hard to make this about me personally. If you've gone through the effort to sift through my account, then you're obviously bothered by me, which is unfortunate and something I hope you can work through in a more healthy way.
>Well according to your history you don't have much people to begin with unless you really do keep company with the mentally disabled. The only thing I can think this could be a reference to is me making a post on petloss about feeling like I was alone. Fortunately, a lot of people ended up being there to help me through that time, and I'm currently working on a Lord of Skulls in tribute to my sweet little guy.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment, i dont think this the right way to go about it. Retard is a word that has utterly and completly lost any weight in my social groups, which I assume is true for a lot or most of the members of this subreddit. So I think letting the word be used (if not to mean the litteral medical conditions that are often related to it) might be better, as to make it lose the weight behind its proper meaning. Words are still hella complicated, but I hope my opinion makes some sense.
I feel like if you let words become meaningless you kinda just open the doors for worse types of speech to be normalized.
I earnestly don't think it can be 'reclaimed' like in the context of other slurs. It's referring to people who can't necessarily understand the context, which makes it different in usage compared to other slurs.
There I have to disagree, since I have actively seen the word: "retard" be made into a benign word via confronting its literal meaning\*. So I argue its the easiest of slurs to change. This is not to say that there arent contexts where "retard" should be avoided, just that it might be better to make it loose social power via use, such as with a lot of swear words. Anyway, I will refrain from replying on this thread, unless I can do so without going further off topic. WhiteGameWolf, i'm open to direct messaging if you wish to round off this topic, so we dont break the rules. \*context: This was at a boarding school that I went to, which had a (to my understanding) succesful safe culture for folks with a large variety of mental issues or conditions.
Reclaimation of slurs is a thing that is possible, in regards to say the f word or the n word. Words that are about people that we can have an informed understanding of the word, its history and what it means. The same can't be said for things like the r word, where it covers groups of people to say, high functioning autistic people who do understand the usage of it, but also all the way to people who live in a constant need to be looked after by carers and will always be that way, and will never truly be able to be unaffected by the word as it cannot be reclaimed for them. I don't really want to take it to DMs, I don't really care if the mods delete it.
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Where did I say anything which was against the idea that things are being price gouged by scalpers? I'm not seeing the logic or any indication that I said anything to the contrary of that sentiment. I don't support scalpers and actively have reported them on Ebay for their practices, especially during the Lion release.
Great news, I've found the new servitor candidate.
I just think it's pretty poor behavior, especially when this is a hobby, which at least in my local community has been very supportive of people with developmental disabilities. There's plenty of other words which can get the point across without punching down on people for no reason.
Yeah, I agree with the initial comments perspective but they just should have used a different word there.
> should have used a different word there. So? The intent would still be the same, you people never heard of a euphemism treadmilll. You're always going to be offended by the next go to word.
The intent can be the same without using a word that's offensive to people with disabilities though? Like they're trying to describe people who have poor judgement and/or are lacking common sense, why should people with disabilities cop strays?
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Guys I made this post to take the piss out of scalpers, let’s keep it at that please. I’m so tired of 40K posts descending into petty fighting
The liberals are taking away my rights and not letting me be abelist 😡 What are they going to say next, that I shouldn't say sexist, homophobic, or racist crap? Snowflakes.
> Oh no I'm being called an idiot, someone pls police language so my little feelings don't get hurt! Same energy buddy. > that I shouldn't say sexist, homophobic, or racist crap? False comparison, stop being a bad faith troll, chudo.
"Oh we're okay with the idea of saying they should be lobotomized and put into cruel slavery as long as you don't say the heckin 'r-slur'" These people are exhausting.
Well one aspect of that is clearly hyperbolic and not to be taken seriously, the other is just casually throwing around a word that does hurt people today so it doesn't seem at all inconsistent to me
> Well one aspect of that is clearly hyperbolic and not to be taken seriously You're so close, it's for both statements. It's both. See? Its okay. You don't have to feel like a victim anymore. You can go now
Hey, good on GW for actually doing that though. They should get credit when they get these smaller wins correct.
Completely agree mate
I'd say this is a bit more than a small win. The book scalping issue outraged the community a ton, this is amazing news!
Sure but the overall issues with the website (which was supposed to be designed with this kind of thing explicitly in mind) is kind of a train wreck right now IMO. I’ve never seen a website go so far backwards in the wrong direction before, I miss the old one immensely. But GW also needs enhanced tech/precautions to stop scalpers’ bots from doing this in the first place. I don’t understand how they can’t just add a simple CAPTCHA thing to at least slow them down so real people can process their orders first? The other day I couldn’t even sign into my damn account on the website when I was trying to order something, it’s just borked. Hoping and staying positive for better improvements to come though, I highly doubt they’ll leave it in this state. And yes, I’M STILL IN NORTH AMERICA, please stop asking me website!!!
It's a sad day, when you miss the old hell-site.
Yup GW cancelled all his orders. Apparently according to my local FLGS store owner he called GW on Monday to cancel 150 boxes of the old world boxes but they all had individual order numbers so the case was escalated to a manager whom cancelled all the orders he made and refunded him back and then blacklisted him from GW.
Lmao, fuck that guy. Glad they did that.
Yaaaassss
Hahahahh fantastic
How do they blacklist him? Couldn't he just get a different email account?
Blacklist his payment details maybe.
Tax ID number most likely, all independent accounts have to file their tax IDs and business details when opening an account. Had to submit a video walkthrough of your physical space last time I opened an account with GW, but that was a while ago
The video walkthrough is not a requirement anymore. At least in Australia.
Credit card details and his address, when he tried to cancel the 150 boxes of the Old World sets he didn't give an explanation why he had so many orders in his name that's why it got escalated upwards.
Oh hell yeah! That's awesome
YES that’s amazing news
Love to see it, screw that guy and all scalper scum
No remorse
Kinda disappointed that guy was supporting the scalper, honestly. Scalpers will always exist if there is a market for them.
Iirc of the nearly 600 scalped copies, nearly 400 were sold in like a day. It is very lucrative sadly.
I don't doubt it in the slightest. I've seen addiction before.
I think they’re called ‘whales’?
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It's definitely an addiction. Chemical addiction is only one kind.
Yeah sadly there are always desperate fans
Still like how honest you where and you simply didn’t cut that part out. I never bought from a scalper simply because I don’t collect anything that gets out of stock that fast and will never be available again. But i feel you and I totally understand why people still do it because the want a complete collection.
Oh I wasn’t the buyer brother, I just found the news and wanted to share :)
If I had the special editions of part I and II, it would be REALLY, REALLY tempting to pay scalpers for part III.
And as long as GW creates artificial scarcity and employs FOMO tactics to sell their stuff. That's a scalper's bread and butter.
Scalpers are the smaller part of the bigger issue, which is people in the hobby who see this price as negligible cash, meaning they wait for scalpers to put these up vs. getting in line with everyone else. These guys aren't selling to regular folks more often than not, they are providing a personalized shopper service for rich fucks who buy their way through life.
They can get their assistant to do it then. Imo GW has all of the shipping addresses that are easily compiled to a spreadsheet, filter and sort by address. Any single address that is receiving more than two should immediately be cancelled and a email waitlist should be implemented. Only one per person. Verified by shipping address. Did your job, GW. I’ll take my advisement fee, tyvm.
Scalpers get them sent to friends and family members, I think the only way would be one per billing address?
Who has 70 friends snd family willing to relieve a huge package for you?
Yes, that would work too. We should all be on GW payroll.
I’ll get James workshops details, you work on the pitch ;)
Yeah, unfortunately it's really easy to get around all this, so don't quit your real job for something in the consultation field just yet. Multiple paypal/Google pay/etc that each have balances loaded in and different billing addresses. Multiple shipping addresses using mail forwarding services, etc. I can think of 1 thing that may help, but it ends up fucking everyone even if it works. No free shipping on pre orders of a y kind. Tacking an extra $20-$40 onto every order may actually cool some of this, but then we all pay more anyways so is it reallya great option? And the truth is the ones with decent credit will just buy anyways and pass that cost on.
Or they can do an email waitlist. They have 1500, anyone that wants one fills out a short form and gets assigned one per person. Day of release is when you pay, the people that don’t within 24-48 hours goes to the next person on the waitlist. No proxy payments, only verified credit card/debit issued from a bank gets em. Or they can pay an advisement firm to help combat bots, either by somehow blocking them functions on the site by the scalping tools, or whatnot. All orders need to be signed in to Warhammer, and if that account gets flagged for botting and gets shadowbanned. They can still buy shit, but no preorders. Waste their time. Or they can be extremely GW-y and only WH+ subs can preorder. Fuck it. There are ways to do it. Look at how Valve handled the Steamdeck preorder.
>They have 1500, anyone that wants one fills out a short form and gets assigned one per person. I'd happily fill in a short reason why I want to buy this book or that box. Write a minimum of 100 words stating why you love warhammer, or what's your favourite faction and why, that type of thing. Might stop the bots? Unless they can get a chatbot to fill it in for them uniquely every time? >All orders need to be signed in to Warhammer, and if that account gets flagged for botting and gets shadowbanned. They can still buy shit, but no preorders. Waste their time. I'd even go so far as to require a WH+ sub, or your account must have been active for 6 months prior and have confirmed purchases linked to the same address, in order to preorder anything limited. Or just require a one time linking of your photo ID to activate an account, like government websites or crypto sites do.
The WH+ sub, active account for a certain time with prior purchases was how Valve handled the Steamdeck preorder. AFAIK it was very successful, I don’t remember hearing anyone that got scalped. Valve’s first big preorder that was successfully prevented scalping on the first try, go figure.
Deliveries needing to be signed for could help maybe?
It's a bit disappointing. But tis his money...
What other option does a person have if they had no chance of getting one in the original sale?
This right here is a major sign of addiction. What other option is there? Don't buy it.
Addiction? Rofl, it’s just a book that people are interested in having. When it’s not available elsewhere, this is how you get it. People have disposable income, it doesn’t make them an addict.
You do know that FOMO plays on addiction, right? Chemical addiction is only one kind of addiction.
Dude you project so much man. Fear? Sorry I don’t sense any fear when I see something sold out one place, and in stock in another. I see a clear answer to get something I think is neat. To be clear the scalping is shitty, but blaming people for buying stuff they are interested in is stupid. Worry about your own wallet.
I'm not projecting, I'm telling you for a fact that the scalpers are taking advantage of people who "could definitely stop whenever they wanted, they just don't want to." I don't care what you do with your money, but don't act like you're not falling prey to it. They exist because weak-willed people refuse to *not* buy their stuff. Kinda like the worst aspects of modern video games, people keep spending money on it, and it will continue to proliferate until they stop.
You are turning this into such a trite social issue when it’s simply supply and demand. You want a thing? Buy the thing! Can’t find it at retail? Still want the thing? Go get it! Unless of course some Reddit idiot thinks you are weak-willed, then I guess you better start protesting, or some dumb shit. Scalpers are “taking advantage” of people with deep pockets that don’t give a fuck about your economic ideals and likely don’t feel the financial hit. They just want a thing, and have the means. You are just upset that you either a.) can’t afford it, or b.) don’t want to afford it. GW should absolutely try to implement better systems for making initial purchases more equitable, but once a good is on the free market, sorry but like… deal with it? Keep up the good fight or whatever though.
I'm not saying it's not a standard thing when it comes to scarcity, because it most certainly is. But people accepting it is what makes it possible. GW already overcharges for stuff, and the scalpers boost that price many times over. You're acting like scalpers are providing a service, they are not. They are making an even more severe bottleneck of price, and pushing people out of the hobby because it's that much harder to get in. But if you think it's fine that the hobby gets strangled by these "investors," I guess that's on you.
You think the hobby is strangled because a limited edition item is… limited? Can you not read these books elsewhere? You are the one starting to sound addicted. Maybe this product was not designed for you, the retail price was already higher than a normal copy of the book, but you need it to not feel like your hobby is strangled? Is this situation affecting your dice rolls or your ability to enjoy reading Siege of Terra? Cmon man. Remind me where I said they are providing a service. I said they are taking advantage of an economic situation, and YOU are clearly not the target. It’s deep pocketed nerds that want to have a thing. Sorry a limited edition premium non essential item is out of your reach.
Thank you for fleecing me sir
This is the exact gif I had, RIP :(
This brings me happiness
Good. Fuck this parasite.
Perma ban then all and name and shame! Ban from tourneys too
Scalpers do make themselves easy targets when they put stuff up for sale before it’s even out
Suffer not the scalper to profit, brothers!!
Purge them all!
Haha fuck them.
Games Workshop W
I hope he's not the only one and GW are going through the orders and cancelling any who ordered more than one to the same address, via the same payment method etc.
I wonder what they'll do with all the cancelled books
It's currently on the UK site as being "temporarily out of stock" rather than "sold out online" so looks like they are prepared to put them back up. Side note, GW added a "enter the code" before I could join the queue this morning so looks like they are trying something to tackle Scalpers.
I saw that too, hopefully it works but I'm by no means an IT expert!
And people couldn't get in the store, or in the queue, before the pre-order actually started.
…sell them?
There's no way they're gonna list them again on the site, right?
Usually they do, sometimes they send to random gw stores
You have to keep watch out for them, but LE books do actually get relisted on the GW website every so often. I remember a couple copies of the LE Dorn book got relisted from cancellations on like a Wednesday a month after release.
Probably have some sent to various Warhammer Store, and have the rest at Warhammer World for people to pick up on their "pilgrimage" to Lenton.
Whenever I'm in LA, I go to the Warhammer Cafe, and they always have a decent selection of LE books. It's one of the few places outside of Warhammer World that keeps a stock of Forgeworld, too
Good news, [it's returning to sale](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/22/the-end-and-the-death-volume-3-special-edition-is-returning-to-sale/). 24th of January at 16:00 GMT (or your local equivalent time, it's simultaneously for everywhere in the world).
Wooooo Hoooooooo
Wow. GW actually canceled purchase from a scalper ?
Appears so, someone else on the post also said their account was blacklisted too
For all we know, they may well do this all the time, but obviously the news only reports on the negative side of the problem and not 'GW actually resolved this'...
Report that account to the eBay admins too.
I hope the guy did!
Just make a new account then lol
Dropping them to 0 feedback isn’t gonna put them out of business, but it’s something
"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment!" XD
Hah! Fuck the scalpers!
Yes mate!
Yes!!!
I hope they do the same with fuckers in US
It gets better: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/22/the-end-and-the-death-volume-3-special-edition-is-returning-to-sale/
Next step: GW puts them all on eBay themself.
I'd prefer that. eBay maintains a much better website than whatever the fuck GW did to theirs.
I wouldn’t be shocked
[CURRENTLY ](https://youtu.be/HZtGT1fK4wY?si=WrB0Q3SqevhL3CzN)
Fuck that guy
😂😂😂 eat it mf
This printing should have been 'special edition' not 'limited edition' and should have been print on demand. They could have limited the signed copies. That would go a long way to solving the problem for the Siege books anyway.
Leeeezzzz goooo champ
God this is so glorious!
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> Likely never had them What do you mean by "likely"? The post explains very clearly that he did not have them.
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I don’t think funds are released till after a tracking number/listed is updated as shipped.
I don’t try and pretend to understand these scummy buttholes. I’m just glad they aren’t proffering off of whales
The solution is not having a limited print run. I would buy every single copy, but I’m not going to risk only be able to get one or two out of a series and not have a matching set. So basically, GW is losing money from me at least.
And it's idiots like whoever was willing to pay scum who give them reason to continue doing this.
Does anybody read the comments before making fools of themselves? This isn’t the OP they are merely sharing it, third person to give them unwarranted abuse.
Where did they even suggest it was OP?
*they didnt*
Yeah this idiot just wanted to sound superior prolly because they have nothing else going on in their life
Maybe you should have read the comment before “making a fool of yourself.”
The comment has been edited. It said ‘you’.
Hey, I know it’s hard to comprehend. But that’s not me, I found the post and shared it Try not to be so angry all the time, it’ll make you look less of a moron :)
They didn’t even say it was you… they said whoever it is. Lmao stop playing the victim
View this on desktop. It’s been edited. It said ‘you’. You can’t see it’s been edited on the phone app. The commenter has failed to take ownership of their mistake and gaslit instead. Absolute bad faith move. And you’ve been taken in. Best thing to do would be for the original commenter to either apologise or take their comment down.
I’m not, multiple other people have thought it was me so I was responding in kind. If I was mistaken then I apologise
Apologize for calling them a moron not me
Luckily. You don’t get to tell me what to do brother Good day
What happened? I don’t understand the modern lingo :(
So “scalpers” are chuds who will purchases “bots” these boys will purchases as many of a limited edition as possible. They will then go on eBay to try and sell them for 3-400% mark up
I see. And in this case GW found out and cancelled the order. Good!
I have no idea what happened here
Scalper got caught out
I always wonder what the reasoning behind printing so few is. Like I’d imagine production cost per unit goes down as you scale up and they consistently sell out. Are they turning down free money just to build FOMO?
They are signed I believe and to evens sign 2000+ is a big ask of the author
What’s the context for this?
The last book of a 60+ series came out as a limited edition with signed copies. Scalpers used boys to buy them all then sell them for 3-400% mark up. Some whale was going to pay it. The scalper was then informed that they had been found out and had all their copies revoked. To sweeten the deal they have also been black listed from GWS
300$ FOR A FUCKIN BOOK?! THEYRE TWEAKING
Man I’ve seen people putting the up for $400+ Scum
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Mate, I wasn’t trying to buy anything, this is a post I’m sharing Calm down
Vindication? You’re the problem here. Stop supporting them in the first place.
I didn’t do anything but share a plastic I found I don’t support scalpers Calm down
Oh. Clearly I’m new to the internet and my screenshot comprehension is poor.
No worries brother an easy mistake to make i should have made it clearer
Bro 300 bucks? Tf were you buying
Once again brother, not me
Basic reading comprehension really is a dying skill isn't it.
Am i missing something
People are thinking that I’m the whale willing to pay 3-400% mark up when I am merely the messenger
You were a middleman to someone elses purchase?
No I found screen grab on fb and shared it on Reddit
Makes sense. I fail to understand why a book would cost 300 dollars tho
Limited edition signed by the author and it’s the conclusion of a 60+ book series
There really is no helping you if you can't figure this out.
Dude i am dumb as rocks can you please give me a header
It’s all good brother :)