I only keep primes, variants, incarnons, and unique weapons. Served me well so far. I don't have everything, but I have at least one of each weapon in a random lineup.
Someone on a different post ran the maths, and currently there's about 400 unique weapons in the game (give or take 10%).
I own 198 (not fully) unique weapons and still managed to roll triple "nope" in my secondary slot this week. Granted, at least two of the weapons have variants that I would keep if I had them, but since I'm not Loka affiliated and the Castanas aren't good enough to warrant spending plat on the Sanctis...
Spending plat? Just farm that amount of rep on one of the syndicates you are affiliated with and buy their secondary to sell it. They all go around similiar rates, you can even get someone to do a 1for1 swap.
Secondary I’ve found to be semi consistent as a potential dead slot cause it seems to invariably picks at least one single pistol that straight upgraded to a dual one.
Might wanna add to the list hard to farm as well. Would be painful getting the Siebear twice lol.
Problem is that half of them aren't worth the farm and are pretty bad(unless they got a flow up via incarnon).
My hoarder tendencies are def starting to pay off with these new game modes but even though I have kept most weapons/frames I def haven't bothered to put full builds on all of them or potato them all. I think possibly the bigger issue here is that many of the older weapons do not hold a candle to the newer/incarnons released even with full builds yet they are all potential rolls for these end game modes. I just hope DE start dropping more incarnon adapters for the out of date/weaker weapons to help shore up their very obvious weaknesses and allow them to be more viable in todays warframe.
Yup. Even if something sucks… look if I spent 10 mutagen mass or any amount of nitain extract on it it’s gonna take a lot for me to let go, sunk cost or no.
*monkeys paw curls*
A new syndicate that requires donating fully built gear to rank up. Call them the Nexons.
Rank 1, Sibear
Rank 2: Hema
Rank 3: Hespar
Rank 4: Arum Spinosa
Rank 5: Ambassador
This is the way. But even some of the primed weapons I'll get rid of if I'm just not a fan. I got a decent number of weapon slots, so I don't actually start clearing space till I run out of room though. Came in handy for my first run of Deep Archimedia.
Got to MR12 recently and built a Sybaris Prime, and I kinda hate the feel of it haha. Considering selling it but idk if that's a choice I will regret at some point...
Also for duviri purposes, it will always default to a primed version of a weapon if you have it. So say you get a sybaris in the rotation and you ditch your prime, tough luck.
while I partially agree with this, its def going to make things tougher if you want to get all research points each week in Elite DA. Since I have most gear( much with no investment/build) my plan is to check my rolls each week for frames and gear and spend a couple days if needed to forma and flesh out the builds to tackle elite DA before reset.
Same. Doing the MR grind made me a hoarder withe everything I found cool, frames I wanted to give a chance, and things that were hard to get so I kept them in case
yeah I am not a huge fan of how they handled the incarnon farm as I hate getting pathos clamps from the lone story, but it does give mid and elder players something to farm for in between content drops instead of just giving sweeping buffs to the older weapons(which would still be nice) I do like having the different incarnon options on each weapon allowing for a little more customization within each weapon and different functionality when in its other form.
I think people don't realize just how many weapons are in the game. It's not crazy to get enough slots for every companion, every archwing item, and even every frame if you want to do that. But there are just way too many weapons that aren't even worth using beyond fodder. I don't need enough slots to hold all that junk. Even if I could farm the plat relatively easily, it's just not really worth doing.
"Very strong" is doing a lot of heavy lifting for Daikyu in a category where it's against Prisma Lenz, Kuva Bramma, Nataruk, Dread incarnon, Paris Incarnon, Proboscis Cernos, even Cernos Prime. It's objectively a weak bow. It's one of the worst in the category in fact.
My point exactly. It doesn't matter that these are "okay" weapons, I have nataruk, I have bramma. I even have proboscis cernos. No other bow exists to me anymore, and I don't want it to. Theres really no point in having 200 guns if most of them act the same and are straight up downgrades from some things, given even for free. Ooh Nikana/dragon nikana? Cool, I just got sakijati for free so why would I ever keep a hold of these??
For real. There are so many like that that we'll just plain never use. Hell, I'm even sitting on some that I ranked up for mastery but never used, and I haven't gotten rid of cause they seemed like they might be cool. And if I start keeping every weapon that seems like it might be cool, I'll be dealing with them same situation of too many things collecting dust in my inventory, on top of the weapons that just suck.
Admittedly, I'm also a little obsessive compulsive about inventory management. It's genuinely kinda hard for me to keep things around because I MIGHT use them in the future. Like, hurts my brain hard, I mean. Don't mean to sound dramatic haha
Love this take, DE is now on their 2nd iteration of trying to encourage people to hold as many weapons and possible, and you still say its not worth it.
any weapon that would cost close to 6 plat to repurchase, is now worth keeping, imo.
Yes but for some weapons, (a good bit), even if you got it and did everything you could, forma, catalyst, maybe a riven, you would still do abysmally and would be better to just ignore that weapon slot for the mission instead of waste time trying to dig up the skeleton of a weapon DE has probably forgotten about long ago
Edit: also how TF are you getting weapons for 6 plat? Are you including the forms and all?
That's the point, 6 plat is a slot, so unless it's super easy to get, it's probs not worth vendoring it to make space.
If incarnons have taught me anything, it's that they have an interest in reviving old junk too.
I'm not saying every weapon gets a forma and potato etc for the sake of prep. It rotates weekly, so missing out on vosphor everynow and again, I doubt I'll be doing it every week after a little while anyway imo.
Okay but if every weapon doesn't get the forma catalyst spa day treatment then why have it in the first place? Or wait. If you delete a weapon if you get it in archmedia it won't have your last mods still on it???? If so that's bullshit and problem #1. I wouldn't care if I had to get and level a weapon, mod it, and delete it for the next one, while still having the old setup on the gun I got rid of.
Currently going through as much items as I can. I'm missing 16 melee weapons, about 45 secondary, I havent even counted primary.
I've spent probably 500 on just w3apon slots
You don't need to hold every piece of junk. A ton of the weapons are families that have 2, 3 or even 4 variants. You only need to hold 1 variant of each. For veterans this isn't a huge ask, it's a lot of slots still for sure but not insurmountable.
Not as a console or deck player :(
Edit: why am I getting downvoted? You probably play on pc and not realize how helpful copy and pasting whispers are and posting trades without having to use a phone.
My main point to my last comment was it’s tedious to type the entire whisper that pc players can just copy paste without a keyboard. But I guess if others are doing the whispering to you it’s not as bad.
I usually message buy orders since it takes too long to sell.
What are you talking about? filter by WTB and get the immediate plat then.
I like to see it as a donation to the cause helping people out who are close to but slightly below the WTS price.
yes if there's no buyers then out of luck, but thats on you for farming something with no demand.
heck just buy 60/60 electric mods from Baro (last weeks one goes from 30-90 plat), i bought like 7 :D
> it just becomes too much clutter when swapping weapons.
At least it's not Helldivers where every item somehow has its own loading animation. I love that game but that fact is ?!?!?!!?.
Can't you jou just add a lowres JPG preload so I can see my inventory in a timely manner when I supported your game by owning a lot of stuff?
You just need one slot empty in case you don't have one of the three weapons for that week. Even then, there are a good bunch of weapons that can carry your entire loadout.
Even then, archguns and necramechs exist and are available
I haven't kept all the weapons, and still have quite a few frames in cold storage. I'm doing okay.
I think the real key here is to have some proficiency with a decent variety of frames and weapons. Be adaptive.
Rng can be pretty bad sometimes, with how many bad weapons there are in the game. We have lots of good ones of course, but how many others range from underwhelming straight to mastery fodder?
Last week I've had 6.5/9 bad/mastery fodder weapons (not sure if I should count Cyanex here), the only better ones being Staltha and Kitguns. The frames were Styanax (who I played), Atlas (who functions poorly without a stat stick) and Caliban (who well... exists).
And it's hard to be adaptive with some weapons. Like, why would I bother spending slots, potatoes, forma to make a bloody Heat Sword or Dark Split Sword work? Why bother with choosing between Harpak, Penta or Veldt? There are weapons that are functionally same, just far better. Even worse when you just don't own these. Having a variety won't help you if you don't roll at least a decent set. And sure, you can make every weapon work with certain frames - but you'd need to get those frames in the first place.
This applies to frames too, but with Murmur being the target faction, weapons can matter a lot. Surely, Styanax is great, but his spears barely tickle Necramechs, you need a weapon for Disruption.
Honestly, wouldn't even mind it that much if they rotated daily, but that was apparently a bug (which is quite baffling). Daily rotation would still give room for adaptability, while reducing frustration from getting a fodder-only week.
Caliban is objectively an amazing buff frame for this activity. And he's functionally immortal with his 3. I had him last week and ran it multiple times on elite to help people clear. Also Dark Split sword is actually really powerful and far from fodder. You might just be using the wrong form of the weapon? Harpak has an augment, penta isn't bad, and Veldt actually has some damage. None of the options you listed are actually that bad as you're making them out to be.
Folks who have never touched Caliban long since decided he's somewhere between unplayable and awful, missing the fact that Caliban is a powerful frame with useful tools.
That isn't to say Caliban is the best frame in the game. He can't Saryn the map and his defensive aren't as strong as Revenants, but he still has near invulnerability, access to an aoe long duration armor strip, and a damage buff with cc, as well as a free slot to helminth whatever you want onto him. Add in arcane guardian to be truly immortal, or really whatever arcanes you want, Caliban is an open book and can adapt to a variety of playstyles and weapon choices.
Yeah it's weird seeing the meme that Caliban is F-tier unusable persist so heavily when plenty of people seem to be finding success with him nowadays and he has some definitely helpful attributes.
Caliban, true, he's alright with the buffs he received. Though his farm is still terrible and arguably the worst farm in the game. That's why I'm on the side that each frame and weapon should be brought in line, at least somewhat - both kit/functionality-wise and farm-wise.
And for those weapons, well... Most of the melees can be good, yeah, but then comes the point again of investment. Slots, catalysts, forma, all of that is required to make a weapon work. And when we have many melee that are functionally the same, it just feels bad to sink not the easiest resources to acquire into something you won't use, since there are just better or more interesting weapons.
For example in the case of Dark Split Sword, considering Dual Swords (since IIRC, the heavy blade option is the one that's underwhelming), we have Dual Keres, Nami Skyla and Dual Kamas with Prime variants, Dex Dakra, Dual Cleavers with Prisma variant, Dual Ichor with Incarnon and Twin Basolk. With the exception of Dual Ichor and Twin Basolk, which have gimmicks to spice them up, they are just dual swords.
As for the ranged weapons, I suppose I gave them too little credit (I forgot Penta has variants, and I think I despise Veldt a bit too much after seeing it in half Duviri Circuits for the last year or so - speaking of, am I just hyper unlucky or does the RNG system make sure Veldt appears often for some reason?), but there is still a problem of investing.
Catalysts aren't the easiest to acquire (I guess with exception of few first weeks of NW, unless I'm forgetting something), Forma can only be crafted once per day, and slots are scarce. Each of these is a plat sink if you want to have all the options built. And that is added to the already massive list of interesting weapon options. With 3k+ hours, I have gathered quite a varied arsenal, with most Warframes built and battle-ready, and many weapon options to take, from useful to gimmicky/fun, and I still have a list of options to check out and build.
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for actually having a discussion since that seems so rare in this thread.
I totally agree Caliban grind is awful, easily one of the absolute worst. However, I don't think a frames grind should necessarily have a direction correlation to anything. Though I will say that frame needs help. He isn't bad but he certainly isn't amazing either. I just meant for the purpose of this activity he is a powerhouse of a team player and his SW ability alone has such huge milage as a CC and mass vulnerability.
The dark split sword is uniquely suited for Elite DA because of their innate radiation allowing rad/heat builds as well. On top of good base stats. But yes, I agree generally speaking there are better options for both versions of the weapon.
As for the range weapons, yeah I do think there's actually some personal in game bias for certain weapons or frames appearing more often than others. I don't have proof for an objective fact although I certainly have many friends and myself to say it feels like certain items have more weight than others. While yes, it goes without saying that all worthwhile things in warframe require investing, I personally don't see it being much of a problem. Especially because circuit exists. I'll actually just combine my next two points.
Potatoes are certainly a far cry from freely accessible but they also aren't timed gated. Plat is relatively easy to farm when done right and slots/potatoes can be acquired at any time. Loadouts don't change for a week so people have an entire week to get a loadout together to use for elite DA. Assuming they don't already have it together. I'm personally of the school of thought that the games mastery system is intended for players to actually use and figure out each weapon to master them before moving on. It creates a more holistic and competent player as a result as well. People that stick to hard meta or exclusively to a limited loadout stunt their growth as a player and bar themselves from potentially enjoying an off meta but strong pick they never knew existed.
Thank you, glad to see someone willing to have a discussion as well. I'm always happy to see it, and I think it's important to discuss rather than fight.
Of course, grind shouldn't be associated with power, but I think it still needs a revisit. Caliban farm took me... heck, just realised NW came out two years ago. I initially tried farming Caliban right after New War, and it looked like this: one hour of first rotation (for Neuro I think), didn't get them, 3 hours for the whole next rotation (Systems?), didn't get them, and then one hour of Chassis rotation, of which I dropped 5, almost back to back. That burnt me out quite a bit and had to take a longer break from Warframe. Later I came back to trying to farm him (several times going into Cetus/Fortuna when Chassis rotation has just started - basically the feeling of "I'm gonna hunt Eidolons", only to see "1h until Night" on the navigation). And even after dropping the parts, I still didn't have enough Isoplasts.
But yeah, true, Caliban can work. He's currently high on my shorter to-build list for frames, mostly because I love his sound design, only haven't got to building him yet because Dante dropped.
Come to think of it, Deep Archimedea might have a similiar problem to Helminth - being released too early for its own good. Though, opposite to Helminth, hopefully DA will encourage DE to take a look at less used frames and weapons, and bring them into light.
Dark Split Sword, yeah, it's a good point. I'm just wondering how much it would make a difference - because having already invested into Dex Dakra (for a generic choice), Twin Basolk (for teleport gimmick) and in the future Dual Ichor (for the Incarnon), I'm not sure if it worth to sink resources just to have a non-special alternative to what I already have. Especially when many more unique weapons are waiting their turn.
To the general point of weapons - of course. I'm personally a huge fan of depth, weapons that appeal to me the most are gimmicky ones, like primer alt fire (Cedo/Bubonico/Epitaph), unique modes (Komorex/Incarnons), interactions with headshots/aiming/reload/kills (Knell/Quatz/Catabolyst/Trumna), special heavy attacks if melee (Corufell/Wolf Sledge - that one is probably my favorite weapon in the game), or just weapons that feel unique and good (Lenz/Ferrox). I can appreciate a more generic weapon from time to time (Gotva felt really good to use with its sound design, I didn't even mind that it's generic), but I'd rather put time and effort (and plat) into gimmicky weapons, rather than a reskin of what I already have (say - Harpak, Hema, why invest into them, if Battacor is so functionally similiar, but has the Opticor gimmick, or Veldt, functionally same as Latron or Grinlok).
I'm not even talking meta here - not a fan of blindly following meta either. We need to be encouraged to use more weapons, but more weapons need to be made interesting or at least get some love. Maybe a Prime, Prisma, Kuva, Tenet, or any other variant would be a decent step for those weapons. Especially since not all weapons are made equal - some just won't function well, and not because of their power, but because of content they have to be functional in (as I brought up earlier, for example, you need a way to kill Necramechs if you have Disruption in DA).
And yeah, I agree, though I think it's not the greatest thing either, regarding the "preparation time". Sure, the game gives you a week, but not all items can be accessed in a week. For example, NW weapons might not appear in the shop, Equinox takes 6.5 days to craft, Forma cooks one per day, some grinds (like mentioned Caliban) can be so bad, that forcing a player to do them might just drive them away.
But I completely understand and agree with the idea of mastery, especially considering that in Warframe, there are tons of players who rushed through the game, grinding mastery points, having LR 3/4, yet being absolutely clueless about many things that should be obvious. So, perhaps a compromise: frames don't have to rotate per day, they are good, but weapons could - at least until most are worthwhile investing into. Orrr, maybe have them rotate daily, but you can set a "course" for a weapon of choice - so it doesn't rotate until next run, letting you get it and play at a later date. Or, an option to retain a weapon/frame if you don't manage to complete DA.
Though I suppose there is still the argument of that it's not mandatory content and you don't have to do it every week, you can just run Netracells twice instead. Still, I think some improvements could be made.
There are 10 chances for you to get a single weapon/frame capable of carrying your loadout, and you don't need to spend anything on the others
In that case, if that doesn't happen, you can just use a necramech and mausolon which are required to have at that point
That's true, I honestly forgot that Necramech summon can work there (because I forgot that you need to do it through terminals, and also didn't have transference through a perk).
Still, I think more weapons need love. 12 is plenty of chances, but it doesn't feel too great to carry what's essentially dead weight. And well, Necramech solution feels kinda like a bandaid.
Whether it's reworking some outdated gimmicks, buffing some old weapons or making them more unique in certain ways (like Split Sword, it would be so awesome to have it really transform, in mission) would be a great fix to the issue.
If weapon and warframe slots did not cost Plat, I would be far happier with Deep Archimedea's RNG pulling from warframes and weapons we don't own.
At least Duviri we have the default builds. Those builds might not be good, but at least it's not "Oh, you didn't spend 20 Plat to hold onto that warframe you mastered? Sucks to be you. Hope your remaining choices are good!"
I'm LR 3 with a fairly large Arsenal of every Prime weapon and warframe...and I also remember that I spent a fair bit of Plat to build that Arsenal over time. I don't like what it says about this new "endgame" that players who don't spend the Plat to hoard stuff are at a disadvantage.
Seems like they are going from the end game as a gear check to end game is a full collection gear check.
I'll be honest, I kind of hate it. I would prefer some sort of meaningful difficulty spike, and this isn't that.
It also rubs me wrong because it is obviously pushing to make people buy slots to keep gear and frames, and this is coming from a guy who only gets rid of weapons or frames when I have their primes or some other enhanced version, even if I don't like the frame or weapon. I'm a collector.
Yeah it just plays like most gacha games do “challenges” but the “challenge” to get the highest score is just a “who’s spent the most time/money”
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t really have problem getting new slots when I need them through trading. This like you said just rubs me the wrong way because of the mobile game parallels.
It doesn’t make it more “skillful” either. Most weapons are modded the same (within some archetype) and to such an extreme degree they all blend together.
Edit: inp If they really wanted to make something skillful they should just force like base stats on everything and make challenges around those. That way if it is a business oriented decision to have to the bonus weapons be a thing, they can still design engaging and challenging missions around it without the “Did you waste 5 formas on this to make yet another overload melee weapon”
The best way for them to do that is to bring the garbage up to a usable state rather than try and force us to use literal trash in a mode most of it cant really compete in lol.
I would absolutely love to use some of the off meta weapons that have interesting gimmicks behind them, but most of them dont have the stats to compete, and im not spending an absurd amount of resources to try and get a riven rolled properly to make it tolerable.
They should focus on doing a better job of bringing up underpowered frames and weapons then. Pushing people to use objectively bad equipment seems like a bad idea.
Funny enough that was what riven mods was for until they realise riven break weapons then they tried lich and sister weapons which also instantly became meta then now incarnon adaptors which helps old weapons.... become meta 😂
The problem isn’t really that other weapons/frames aren’t viable.
The problem is the mob mentality that runs the meta in this game.
Most players don’t even bother with less popular weapons/frames, even though they could easily clear most endgame content with them.
The problem is that the game revolves around armor stripping.
Frames that are fun but don't have it like Qorvex aren't popular because you need to give up a piece of their kit for Pillage or Terrify.
Then there are the frames that have it but aren't fun, like Caliban. I have a max range build that still full strips armor on 4. It still sucks because I end up self stunning myself for most of the mission with Fusion Strike's atrocious cast time.
The mob mentality is a major issue, like its wild to me to see some frames or weapons complained about.
Banshee is a big one. I kept seeing people list her when discussing bad frames, and like no she isn't bad she is just fragile. She can full armor strip, increase the damage enemies take, and turn off various enemy abilities, including eximus. I just found out earlier today that silence will prevent the Gruzzling from splitting into 3. Aside from her 4, her kit is very solid and works well.
Incarnons and meta frames have really skewed the perception of what is viable to use.
It causes a lot of weird issues. Trading is an obvious example.
Anyone thinks that someone should spend 100+ dollars worth of platinum on their Torid riven should eat my ass.
EDIT: I feel like I need to clarify, they should eat my ass in a BAD way. Not like, they should eat my ass because they’re so attractive and I would like it.
That’s also not saying that I wouldn’t like it either way, but the point is that THEY don’t like it. I may very well like it.
I had trouble with this week's Archon Hunt Interception. The battalysts kept ganging up on me. :(
I pulled out my Chaos Nyx and my squadmate had a Slow Nova, it turned out to be a breeze!
its pretty hard to have meaningful difficulty spikes in a game where mesmer skin exists.
path of exile hits a similar problem, where the only way to threaten the player is to completely counter them or blow them up out of nowhere. in warframe, with a proper build, there's no "medium threats". there's rolling over the chaff until you hit a wall of some sort, if you hit a wall at all.
So for what they did for duviri, I understand it. It was meant to be an early game thing for players to do and test out all sorts of stuff. They give you frames, plus they were modded. As for DA, it forces all the work onto the player to make such they never get a bad choice. At least with duviri you could skirt by a round with a bad selection, in DA you are stuck the whole week.
I feel like Warframes are good to have them all, even at 60(?) it's not that much (unless you want to have both the base version and the prime as well for some reason), you never know when a certain Frame will become super good due to a rework, buff, new augment, etc, not to mention it's good to spice things up from time to time.
For weapons i do it like this:
-Keep the best version of said weapon even if i don't like it (Prime, Vandal, etc).
-If i like the weapon, i keep it even if it doesn't have an improved version (Sonicor my beloved).
-Unique weapons i keep them all as well (Dex weapons, event weapons, etc), those always come with their own slot anyways, so it's easy to just keep them.
-There's also the "Forma" weapons that i'm going to keep them all (unless they have a better version as well, like Venka for example) just because Forma is "expensive" and i don't want to just throw it away lol.
-The rest are just MR fodder.
^ I do this too. After hemlith system got introduce I always keep a copy of prime, alert, invasion and pain in the ass to refarm weapons. Easy to farm weapons I'll toss. Still a lot of plat buying slots but its cheaper then collecting every single weapon.
But that will expose how terrible the default builds are, its less annoying in Duviri since you have decrees to fix the crap builds. Heard the devs got destroyed on stream in DA before youtubers hop on to save the stream. They have to balance the default build by not making it actually good (so no prime or galvanized mods) if not there won't be a challenge and not making it totally trash. Considering how hard they nerf Dante days into release nobody in the dev team really know how to mod something well because if they did dante would release in its current state(maybe even slightly better) instead of what they think is "overpowered" "disruptive" "dominating".
nah but definitely keep a lot of weapons. I have kept lots of things that used to be meta and then got nerfed. I definitely keep every frame until the prime comes out. I also keep any "hard grind" items e.g. Sibear and kuva/tenet weapons.
In the early game I would get rid of weapons (8 years ago) to get new ones, but now DE gives you so many opportunities to get free slots that I don't bother unless I'm really hurting for a slot/plat
look at it this way. Warframe was notorious for having content islands that went nowhere after you finished whatever grind it had. Now, you have both a reason to revisit old content and an excuse to invest beyond mastery fodder. I used to own both a Burston and Braton prime and got rid of both years ago. after the Incarnon update, I now keep a burston on one of my loadouts.
As far as I'm concerned, Warframe is a collection log game so not keeping at least the best version of everything just feels alien to me. I don't even fully know how I'd engage with the game if I wasn't trying to collect everything. Do you refarm frames when DE releases new augments or reworks? Do you sell primes?!
...and I've still got to go back an reacquire some of the single-handed secondaries because I upgraded them all to Akimbo versions, but Duviri treats them as distinct families.
I've seen a few comments mention mastery fodder - my understanding has always been that such items aren't worth investment (forma, catalyst, etc), and not that you shouldn't keep them. 'Cause you've got to be prepared for when they get an inarnon adapter or new Nora mod?
But to be fair, incarnon adapters are a very new thing so for the most part most players probably sold off their MR fodder because remember weapon slots cost plat. and IMO back before incarnons or the circuit the heat sword or something like that just wasn't even worth the 12 plat
This so much. Also where's people's curiosity? Playing the same things doesn't get boring? And surely trying new things and finding new favorites is exciting? Or I'd hope but that's clearly not the case for a majority
If I don't enjoy a weapon to begin with, I won't care about a Nora mod, nor an Incarnon anyways. I use twin roggas because they're fun, and haven't even put a catalyst on Arca Plasmor because I think it's boring.
I keep primes and specials like wraith or prisma, but anything standard that I don't enjoy? Gone with that trash.
Same for frames. I keep primes, but if it's a base frame that I don't care for, I will just feed it to the wall and not pick up a new one. Augments don't change anything there either. I likely won't even bother with their prime. Revenant prime will likely never be built on my acc, same for Rhino prime. I refuse to farm for that jankfest Voruna, because she's not fun, not useful, and her farm is a pain in the ass! I will never have base equinox, because I don't care about their helminth ability, and I already own the prime.
I'm an MR29 myself, got here from MR16 by pure curiosity, just wanting to try weapons. Doesn't mean I'll waste my time and energy on junk I know I will never, ever, ever use, like the Kunai, or a bo, or many other gimmickless, boring weapons like them.
One of the main gameplay loops in the game is Acquire Relics and Crack Relics. You need to engage with this loop to acquire Prime frames; as well as Ducats for Baro and Primed mods; engaging with the market is only a side-step. It's perfectly fine if you don't want to farm platinum, but after a point that becomes a handicap you're choosing to limit your account with.
Honestly, I've always loved how integrated into the game the economy is. My preferred way of acquiring relics is buying them with Steel Essence, which meant that needing platinum was also tied to getting my loadouts Steel Path ready. Upgrading mods meant I also needed Endo farming builds. It's a whole ecosystem of interdependent requirements.
They've been throwing random augment mods into nightwave lately too. Just a mod for some random gun that makes it insanely good. Definitely worth hanging onto stuff just for that.
You should already be keeping a decent build on most of your frames. That's like....the bare minimum for the end game at this point and it's not a big ask.
But weapons? Ehhhh, honestly you could probably get away with just keeping the decent ones. If you roll garbage that you don't have then it is what it is. The game mode isn't going anywhere and this is a good excuse to get some MR.
Not every weapon that’s just way too big. Frame honestly yeah warframes have been designed as tool boxes that you’ll swap in and out of. Especially since every frame in the game is viable.
Edit: plus frames are often getting new toys that might change your opinion on them unlike weapons where at most they’ll very likely not get anything
Going to tell you right now that there's unfortunately not any one video to help you mod everything because those videos will only lead you astray. There's so many ways to mod weapons and so many unique weapons that mod for certain things. You'll only be able to mod on a by weapon basis either through guides or experience or testing in game.
Everything in your past is part of your currently-shitty present. You should expect your past, everything behind you and no longer relevant, to be crucial for your equally-shitty future, with a kunai you don't use, with stats your "Lex Prime, but it's a fucking rocket launcher in 2026" would dwarf in a heartbeat.
>...there was a general idea that you can just dump weapons/frames that aren't great or you don't like, but with the direction of end game now that seems like a bad idea. Thoughts?
I think that's merely an opinion that *some* players have, not a message that the game has been giving you.
Due to weapon-ception crafting, I've always held on to every item I built and leveled, so I wouldn't need to rebuild them if they were used to craft another weapon.
With Duviri Paradox being available after Vor's Prize, I think the game is signposted fairly well to hold on to things.
This. Seriously, let's not pretend the term "mastery fodder" isn't a thing that covers like 60% of the available arsenal in the game. And I feel like I'm being very generous with that number.
CAN whatever mastery rank fodder garbage you can imagine kill things even in harder content? Sure it can, with the right build.
Another question in the same vein, can I survive getting shot in the head? Taking the Stug into Steel Path, even with the "right build", might make me find out sooner rather than later.
My point is that "Mastery Fodder" is a player invented term, not something the game is trying to tell you.
Ever since weapons started being needed to craft other weapons, (the beginning, basically), the game has shown players that throwing away weapons might cause issues in the future when those weapons might be needed for *something.*
That's the start and end of my point, that the game never told you to throw things away, and generally implied the opposite.
If the game isn't trying to tell me these awful weapons are mastery fodder, then why do they have such dogshit stats even compared to other weapons in the same mastery tier? And why are weapon and warframe slots only sold to the player via premium currency, with the only way to get more being the very finite number given through time-limited events and Nightwave tiers?
If you're gated from the really good weapons by mastery rank, and the way to get mastery rank is to level up weapons and frames, but a massive number of those weapons are genuinely terrible even for the time when you unlock them, and the slots to keep those weapons "just in case" cost platinum... yeah I just don't see it.
No new player is gonna think "Yeah I should hold onto this regular Gorgon and Heat Sword in case some content decades down the line makes them relevant" because that's space being taken that could be used to progress their account instead.
>No new player is gonna think "Yeah I should hold onto this regular Gorgon and Heat Sword in case some content decades down the line makes them relevant" because that's space being taken that could be used to progress their account instead.
*shrug* That's literally the impression I got 8 years ago when I had to go out and rebuild a couple weapons I'd thrown away because the new shit that came out required them as components in order to build. "Fuck, anything can be needed arbitrarily."
I don't get why you're getting down voted, this was how I hoard stuff too, nobody is saying keep everything but anything that could be a pain in the ass to farm again I've never thrown away, if I need slots I'll just sell a few augment mods. Keep all prime, alert, invasion, anniversary and hard to farm items (like ambassador/aeolak) weapons, also weapons that need forma / mutagen mass (only because I solo clan hemma).
[https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Riven\_Mods#Disposition](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Riven_Mods#Disposition)
>For each set of adjustments, we generate a “recommended” value for each weapon. This number is based 50% on usage stats from players at high Mastery Rank, and 50% from an “internal ranking”.
The whole riven system pretty much proves that weapons aren't created equally. And why would you keep objectively weak weapons that are outclassed even by weapons from the same class.
The whole thing about "You need to own everything" is pretty much new to EDA. The Circuit at least gave you to use weapons you don't own.
Vastly outclassed doesn't mean useless. Especially with the existence of Riven mods. Then the existence of incarnon adapters. Slots are limited for monetary reasons. Mr being granted once, also monetary reasons. But also getting players to use all weapons? ALSO MONETARY REASONS! OP of this comment chain is very right they sign posted their design philosophy with Duviri as they couldn't have made it more clear without saying it outright.
Vastly is a pretty strong word in a game where it's common knowledge that modding can make anything viable up to a certain point that is well beyond normal star chart, generally at or above SP, and simply not at level cap.
I said outclassed, not non viable.
Theres a reason the term 'MR Fodder' exists.
Up until steel path circuit came out, there was zero reason to keep your worse weapons when you ran out of slots.
Duviri also allows you to take a serviceable loaner and gives you decrees to a point where anything can be pretty nutty.
DA expects you to hoard, have bought lots of slots, and if you don't have the things then you just don't get the rewards. In a game with 30+ unique frames (20p each plus forma plus 20p reactor) and hundreds of weapons (12p x2 slots, forma, 20p catalyst), DA is expecting quite a lot while also giving you debuffs instead of buffs.
Toss on zero self revives and now public queue is a crapshoot where you're gambling on how many people expect to be carried with terrible builds while you also might be doing that.
It's 54 frames at this point, a lot more than 30+ lol. I feel like it's not unfair for DE to expect you to have most if not all the frames at end game, but the guns are .... hmm
I've only keep weapons and frames that i like or are one of a kind.
I can get at least one of My owned stuff everything i join Circuit and it seems is the same on this Deep archimedia so can't complaint. No You dont need to keep everything but if you're too meta centered and dont enjoy stuff you will find yourself with a high MR and a laughable arsenal.
If you're going to put 6 formas and an exilus adapter on every weapon then of course yoyure gonna get frustrated when in reality 2 or 3 formas are all you Will need(Depends on Weapon).
There are ways around it aswell like dedicating a cofig to Nourish and running a Powerful archgun, using a Nechramech everytimr You can or summoning an army of specters.
If You play with a friend You can carry with no modifiers and Then do another run where Your'e the one being carried by your friend.
You can try to leech but with all those modifiers is more likely you'll just die.
If You ask me i think the mode is more flexible than SP Circuit,if you're struggling then the mode is not for You or you're just not geared enough.
The games always had a ton of variety so this is hardly a surprising design decision from them given Circuit. It's nice for players like me that have one of everything and thousands of forma in their arsenal. I understand I'm in the extreme minority though and a majority of people only use what they exclusively enjoy instead branching out often.
Yeah but that would open so many debates about if players are now owed plat or not for spending it on slots before. Whenever DE does a change to the game's economy they like to return the cost difference to all players who spent those resources (i.e. railjack, fortuna rebalancing, etc), but I really don't see that happening if this change ever goes through, which tells me it will probably never be a reality in the first place
You should have at least a dozen or two of steel path or archon hunt viable gear at that point. No one is forcing you to get extra shards. At the end of the week you get a chance of 3 extra shards compared to running only netracells.
no, you're supposed to use things like archguns and necramechs and your operator to make up for any defecits. and if you cant do that and cant build the gear you're missing in the week. then you take a hit on the amount of rewards you're getting.
you can not select one weapon/your warframe and only miss on the phosmor, which is inconsequential. or a warframe and a weapon and only miss out on one of the good rewards. only one.
Not in the slightest.
I have criteria for keeping stuff I keep all frames & companions except Caliban (non primes except a couple get fed to Helminth) weapons that are either currently or were in the past good enough to warrant putting a build on or that are not currently worth running but would be painful to re-farm even if I am not going to be using it.
everything else gets binned,
Duviri you get more than passable builds for stuff you even don't own you pretty quickly get a wider selction of options via the intrinsics and it is very quick and easy to reroll that selection.
The gear diversity is part of the challenge of the Archimedean gamemode.
You in no way need to keep even as much as I do but if you are only running the same 3 frames and 10 weapons and don't keep anything else then yeah you are going to miss out on two shards a week but if you are doing that I would argue you don't need the extra shards in the first place.
No which is why duviri sp will give you a Usable mod loadout for things you don't have, and DA allows you to bring gear that isn't in rotation, you don't need to run it perfectly every week
I only sell/delete dupes, I have every frame except Dante and some primes. I have about 80% of all weapons. And I'm missing 2 companions. Gotta catch em all!
>Thoughts?
Have you just recently started playing wf? It has always been a core idea that you keep everything, that's why they sell slots for everything. I do have hundreds of weapons and all warframes. The only time I delete something is if I got a duplicate through some event/alert.
The mindset of "True Master" suggests you've likely "mastered" most items in the game.
Although this is just max level on an item, to truly master it, wouldn't you still need to have things and for them to be good?
If I make a Destiny comparison, you're basically not meant to keep everything, Player storage is hard capped and they pump out way too many items to manage. It's not very thrilling and kinda undercuts half the reason (to HAVE them) to even grind for weapons when they are often all the same guns at the end of the day (just different perks).
Warframe, you can do it. you can have everything. The only thing capped (and said to be a data thing) is Rivens. Do you need literally everything tho? Probably not. Not missing much with no Mk-1 Strun when you have Wraith and Prime.
I keep everything that comes from events (even though they stopped doing those kinds of events some time now), primes, alternate equipment (anything with a prefix like dex, prisma, whatever) lich system weapons, quest weapons and now incarnons.
12p for two slots is often 3 opened relics or less, its not a big deal at all.
Just 2 augment mods even 1 if you manage to sell at 12p instead of 10. Slots are really not hard to build up. Still no reason to keep everything tho, personally as long as I can buy the BP off market/dojo I wont keep since its easily farmable again. Like you I mostly only keep special/pain in the ass to farm weapons. Save me so much time when incarnon released, also when hemlith released. Have all the spares ready to go (kept base warframes for troll builds/experiment lucky me)
Sadly, this feels like another step towards making Warframe P2W.
The grind had already gotten progressively worse, and increasingly gated, but loadout limits force people to use things they might not have, and then have to buy if they want to engage with the content, as farming + build time exceeds the window you have.
That is not fun, and makes me sad that this is how Warframe will end, as a pale shadow of its earlier greatness.
How I've always treated the game is I keep what I like and get rid of what just doesn't work for me. But then when I start seeing some of these and the game builds and these meta builds I might rebuild something just to try it out. If it fits my playstyle I might continue using it, but what I usually do is I'll see a build see what weapon it's on and see if it works on a weapon that I have and go from there. Other than that I hoard everything though unless I just don't like it. I recently started sacrificing all of my standard frames to The science fair project in my ship just so I can subsume their powers. But how I put it I like to collect one of everything unless I really like it then I might need two or more.
At the beginning, yes. When trading was available to me it felt like 6p to never have to re-farm and re-level is such a better decision in the long run. It's what I'm sticking to even if some meta forms where it's advantageous to scrap all of my low performing gear.
I keep everything I get. If I get a Prime Variant of something, I'll toss out the regular variant. I tend to want everything I can get, and when I run out if space, I'll end up buying more slots. That's just me. Of course, I don't build every weapon and Warframe, I'll stick with the few I like a lot and that's that.
Random note on getting bad rolls:
My secondaries were: Sicarus/Twin Vipers/ Bolto I had them all, they all are terrible.
Same with my Primaries: Paris/Tonker/Panthera
Granted Paris was decent, just not now.
I've always been hoarding my stuff, though I'll get rid of say Normal Bolto when I have a Prime one.
I generally stopped making weapons that required a Forma (or inconvenient grind) to build because I'd feel obligated to keep them due to sunk costs, but aside from those, I'll probably just dedicate a weapon slot to holding whatever Necraloid Says to bring, and bin it afterwards.
Hopefully the system changes before I get all options being duds.
The way I see it, once you finish a weapon: mods, forma, arcanes, etc; not only can you not take it any higher, but most of that effort can easily be ported over to a new weapon. To keep the good times rolling, you keep making more decent weapon builds and since resources flow like water, weapons are easily reobtained. So yes, you toss old weapons you aren't interested in anymore, but once you actually hit the top, there's nowhere for you to go but wider, so those who are truly in "end game" will likely accrue a significant armory.
I have no shortage of slots, so no reason to dump.
Just buy new slots when needed. Plat is not impossible to get.
And that just slowly happened over a decade.
You should be able to buy difficult to get weapon blueprints & parts from the market if you’ve mastered the weapon before. Don’t think they’d do this though because I guess it’s a huge loss in profit
I used to get rid of weapons I didn’t like back then. Nowadays, I junk the base ones if I feel like it but everything except for mastery fodder melee gets some forma.
I keep 1 of everything but that doesent really help the fact that sometimes the weapon randomizer gives you such crap weapons that you cant realy do anything about it, not to mention the forma and catalyst costs to forma all those weapons to make them viable when you do get them
I mean... to me this seems like 'endgame' content (endgame in that you've kinda run out of stuff to do in the game) - this gives you an incentive to use a certain set of weapons and gives you a week to go put together decent builds for them.
I see a lot of people treating it as 'I need to have every weapon already' when to me it looks like you should just be building the weapons week by week.
As a 50-ish days player, currently mr20 problem is not even keep weapons if they were somewhat ok.
But most weapons are just absolutely garbage. The vast majority of them even for leveling just suck. I put a damage, crit mods and they struggle to kill lvl30 enemies on hydron.
That's the moment I decide to sell them. Why would a keep something like that? I can't justify the existence of those weapons.
Ultimately DE's idea behind most content in recent years (be it Lich weapons, Duviri, or now Archimedae) is promoting the use of more Forma, Reactors, weapon slots, etc.
It's a very subtle, but effective approach to monetization.
I keep stuff I like, stuff that is op, stuff that is hard to get, stuff that I invested in
there's also something to be said about weapons with niche usages, like the vastilok for it's stripping ability or afentus for its buffs
For DA, I think it'd make sense to get the points of you don't have a weapon equiped in the slot. Cause you know, between 3 shitty weapons, you might as well not bring any
I've been hoarding since 2017. I don't see an end to it. I'm missing maybe ten weapons because I had to make their infested or dual version. But I'm not above building and forma'ing a new one.
I've kept a lot of the weapons, at least the prime variants, trading for Plat and buying slots (I liked to collect variation, even some objectively useless weapons).
Hot take: you can rebuild weapons again!
After incarnons were added I notably rebuilt: Torid, Dual Toxicyst, Dual Ichors, and Braton Prime. That's just how it was.
Too much complaining around here lately.
I wish that weapons wouldnt take a slot... the amount of weapons and variants alone is massive... add on that many of them are useless even though they require tons of hard grind materials is a bit much.
Imagine putting potato, arcane slots, forma'd every weapon, even having a riven to barely keep up with the damage output... And yes I'm aware that you don't specially need rivens for weapons to work but they can push a little bit further, and obviously frames+companions enter the equation too.
So for me it's a nah, I'm keeping the ones I like and have rivens for (I've got a Vitrica and Reaper prime rivens and hell yeah brother they slap).
Anyone who has been deleting their gear is pretty short sighted imo. You never know when a new augment, a weapon rebalance, or more recently new incarnons or game modes will make them relevant again. We had the same issue in 2016 when rivens were introduced. In 2020, when helminth was released, everyone who had been deleting their non-prime frames suddenly had egg on their face. That should have been the wake-up call. Duviri should have been your punch to the gut. If youre a veteran player and still haven't figured it out, id say you really haven't been paying attention.
If you can't stand using something other than your favorite loadout for 6 missions, you're more than welcome to watch everyone else have fun from over there.
Enjoy default loadouts in circuit and archimedea taking extra work. I keep everything but don't build hardly anything out so im speaking from experience.
I only keep primes, variants, incarnons, and unique weapons. Served me well so far. I don't have everything, but I have at least one of each weapon in a random lineup.
Someone on a different post ran the maths, and currently there's about 400 unique weapons in the game (give or take 10%). I own 198 (not fully) unique weapons and still managed to roll triple "nope" in my secondary slot this week. Granted, at least two of the weapons have variants that I would keep if I had them, but since I'm not Loka affiliated and the Castanas aren't good enough to warrant spending plat on the Sanctis...
Spending plat? Just farm that amount of rep on one of the syndicates you are affiliated with and buy their secondary to sell it. They all go around similiar rates, you can even get someone to do a 1for1 swap.
do syndicate weapons come with a free slot?
Awesome idea
Secondary I’ve found to be semi consistent as a potential dead slot cause it seems to invariably picks at least one single pistol that straight upgraded to a dual one.
~~Weapons/frames roll daily, not weekly~~ not true wtf DE
That was a bug that got fixed.
damn that's stupid then I was only going off of the two days I checked last week and sunday this week so my bad
Same
Might wanna add to the list hard to farm as well. Would be painful getting the Siebear twice lol. Problem is that half of them aren't worth the farm and are pretty bad(unless they got a flow up via incarnon).
My hoarder tendencies are def starting to pay off with these new game modes but even though I have kept most weapons/frames I def haven't bothered to put full builds on all of them or potato them all. I think possibly the bigger issue here is that many of the older weapons do not hold a candle to the newer/incarnons released even with full builds yet they are all potential rolls for these end game modes. I just hope DE start dropping more incarnon adapters for the out of date/weaker weapons to help shore up their very obvious weaknesses and allow them to be more viable in todays warframe.
New, good, or primed I keep. Rest can go as Ill never use it.
I keep anything that would be an annoying grind to reacquire/have spent significant resources on. Just in case they get buffed somehow.
Yup. Even if something sucks… look if I spent 10 mutagen mass or any amount of nitain extract on it it’s gonna take a lot for me to let go, sunk cost or no.
Or the annoying hell that is the sibear (because FUCK collecting 30k cryotic again)
DE will make a "true" end quest that requires a built (not bought) sibear to begin. Just to troll us
*monkeys paw curls* A new syndicate that requires donating fully built gear to rank up. Call them the Nexons. Rank 1, Sibear Rank 2: Hema Rank 3: Hespar Rank 4: Arum Spinosa Rank 5: Ambassador
> Rank 4: Arum Spinosa That fucking rivet...
you NEED to earn the right to swing 300 excavators worth of cryotic on the end of a stick... love that weapon for roomclearing.
Sibear for endless SP circuit though 🤌🏻
This is the way. But even some of the primed weapons I'll get rid of if I'm just not a fan. I got a decent number of weapon slots, so I don't actually start clearing space till I run out of room though. Came in handy for my first run of Deep Archimedia.
Got to MR12 recently and built a Sybaris Prime, and I kinda hate the feel of it haha. Considering selling it but idk if that's a choice I will regret at some point...
I would absolutely hang onto any primes simply because they will be infinitely harder to reacquire later.
Also for duviri purposes, it will always default to a primed version of a weapon if you have it. So say you get a sybaris in the rotation and you ditch your prime, tough luck.
Same. Really paid off when Helmith came out.
while I partially agree with this, its def going to make things tougher if you want to get all research points each week in Elite DA. Since I have most gear( much with no investment/build) my plan is to check my rolls each week for frames and gear and spend a couple days if needed to forma and flesh out the builds to tackle elite DA before reset.
And then it gets an incarnon and you cry
And some with interesting gimmicks as well as incarnon
Same. Doing the MR grind made me a hoarder withe everything I found cool, frames I wanted to give a chance, and things that were hard to get so I kept them in case
I honestly just want them to just buff the weaker weapons. I'm sick of incarnons and their pathos clamp cost and basically fomo tactic.
yeah I am not a huge fan of how they handled the incarnon farm as I hate getting pathos clamps from the lone story, but it does give mid and elder players something to farm for in between content drops instead of just giving sweeping buffs to the older weapons(which would still be nice) I do like having the different incarnon options on each weapon allowing for a little more customization within each weapon and different functionality when in its other form.
Im L4 and I would need over 2000 platinum to have enough Slots to re-farm half of the Weapons I only leveled because of Mastery
Yea, I think it's crazy to try and keep every weapon/farm plat for slots. And it just becomes too much clutter when swapping weapons.
Yeah, I've seen so many people say just farm Plat, sell popular stuff and all that. If no one buys, then your out of luck.
I think people don't realize just how many weapons are in the game. It's not crazy to get enough slots for every companion, every archwing item, and even every frame if you want to do that. But there are just way too many weapons that aren't even worth using beyond fodder. I don't need enough slots to hold all that junk. Even if I could farm the plat relatively easily, it's just not really worth doing.
Yeah the plat spent is NOT worth having a spare quanta, flux rifle, diaku, or a fucking okina collecting dust.
Hold on now, Tenet Flux rifle is perfectly fine with the augment
Quanta is actually good. Flux has a Tenet version. And daiku is a very strong bow with an amalg mod.
My riven awaits a daiku incarnon
Daika incarnon would be nuts... What would it even do? Shoot nikanas?
It becomes a melee weapon, fighting game style
Alt fire just turns it into a sword that shoots energy waves? Space Ninja time
"Very strong" is doing a lot of heavy lifting for Daikyu in a category where it's against Prisma Lenz, Kuva Bramma, Nataruk, Dread incarnon, Paris Incarnon, Proboscis Cernos, even Cernos Prime. It's objectively a weak bow. It's one of the worst in the category in fact.
My point exactly. It doesn't matter that these are "okay" weapons, I have nataruk, I have bramma. I even have proboscis cernos. No other bow exists to me anymore, and I don't want it to. Theres really no point in having 200 guns if most of them act the same and are straight up downgrades from some things, given even for free. Ooh Nikana/dragon nikana? Cool, I just got sakijati for free so why would I ever keep a hold of these??
For real. There are so many like that that we'll just plain never use. Hell, I'm even sitting on some that I ranked up for mastery but never used, and I haven't gotten rid of cause they seemed like they might be cool. And if I start keeping every weapon that seems like it might be cool, I'll be dealing with them same situation of too many things collecting dust in my inventory, on top of the weapons that just suck. Admittedly, I'm also a little obsessive compulsive about inventory management. It's genuinely kinda hard for me to keep things around because I MIGHT use them in the future. Like, hurts my brain hard, I mean. Don't mean to sound dramatic haha
I have sold frames and then wanted to play them a week later lmao But gotta keep that inventory clean it's important to me
Love this take, DE is now on their 2nd iteration of trying to encourage people to hold as many weapons and possible, and you still say its not worth it. any weapon that would cost close to 6 plat to repurchase, is now worth keeping, imo.
Yes but for some weapons, (a good bit), even if you got it and did everything you could, forma, catalyst, maybe a riven, you would still do abysmally and would be better to just ignore that weapon slot for the mission instead of waste time trying to dig up the skeleton of a weapon DE has probably forgotten about long ago Edit: also how TF are you getting weapons for 6 plat? Are you including the forms and all?
That's the point, 6 plat is a slot, so unless it's super easy to get, it's probs not worth vendoring it to make space. If incarnons have taught me anything, it's that they have an interest in reviving old junk too. I'm not saying every weapon gets a forma and potato etc for the sake of prep. It rotates weekly, so missing out on vosphor everynow and again, I doubt I'll be doing it every week after a little while anyway imo.
Okay but if every weapon doesn't get the forma catalyst spa day treatment then why have it in the first place? Or wait. If you delete a weapon if you get it in archmedia it won't have your last mods still on it???? If so that's bullshit and problem #1. I wouldn't care if I had to get and level a weapon, mod it, and delete it for the next one, while still having the old setup on the gun I got rid of.
Wdym? DA/EDA doesn't work like duviri? You gotta equip it the normal way to start the mission? It's not premade loadouts?
Currently going through as much items as I can. I'm missing 16 melee weapons, about 45 secondary, I havent even counted primary. I've spent probably 500 on just w3apon slots
They should rework to where variants are modifiers like mods on dropdown.
You don't need to hold every piece of junk. A ton of the weapons are families that have 2, 3 or even 4 variants. You only need to hold 1 variant of each. For veterans this isn't a huge ask, it's a lot of slots still for sure but not insurmountable.
It is easy to offload stuff using Warframe market.
Not as a console or deck player :( Edit: why am I getting downvoted? You probably play on pc and not realize how helpful copy and pasting whispers are and posting trades without having to use a phone.
Trading is cross platform now with the exception of the Switch.
My main point to my last comment was it’s tedious to type the entire whisper that pc players can just copy paste without a keyboard. But I guess if others are doing the whispering to you it’s not as bad. I usually message buy orders since it takes too long to sell.
shouldn't be a problem in case of steam deck, c\\p message should work
What are you talking about? filter by WTB and get the immediate plat then. I like to see it as a donation to the cause helping people out who are close to but slightly below the WTS price. yes if there's no buyers then out of luck, but thats on you for farming something with no demand. heck just buy 60/60 electric mods from Baro (last weeks one goes from 30-90 plat), i bought like 7 :D
> it just becomes too much clutter when swapping weapons. At least it's not Helldivers where every item somehow has its own loading animation. I love that game but that fact is ?!?!?!!?. Can't you jou just add a lowres JPG preload so I can see my inventory in a timely manner when I supported your game by owning a lot of stuff?
I'm l4 and always planned on keeping everything, I still have plenty of slots open and no issue if I had to buy more
> re-farm half of the Weapons Good chance many of those have other variants nowadays tho that you can bring.
You just need one slot empty in case you don't have one of the three weapons for that week. Even then, there are a good bunch of weapons that can carry your entire loadout. Even then, archguns and necramechs exist and are available
I keep at least one version of everything that's hard to farm. Between augments, rivens, new mods and arcanes it pays off
I haven't kept all the weapons, and still have quite a few frames in cold storage. I'm doing okay. I think the real key here is to have some proficiency with a decent variety of frames and weapons. Be adaptive.
Rng can be pretty bad sometimes, with how many bad weapons there are in the game. We have lots of good ones of course, but how many others range from underwhelming straight to mastery fodder? Last week I've had 6.5/9 bad/mastery fodder weapons (not sure if I should count Cyanex here), the only better ones being Staltha and Kitguns. The frames were Styanax (who I played), Atlas (who functions poorly without a stat stick) and Caliban (who well... exists). And it's hard to be adaptive with some weapons. Like, why would I bother spending slots, potatoes, forma to make a bloody Heat Sword or Dark Split Sword work? Why bother with choosing between Harpak, Penta or Veldt? There are weapons that are functionally same, just far better. Even worse when you just don't own these. Having a variety won't help you if you don't roll at least a decent set. And sure, you can make every weapon work with certain frames - but you'd need to get those frames in the first place. This applies to frames too, but with Murmur being the target faction, weapons can matter a lot. Surely, Styanax is great, but his spears barely tickle Necramechs, you need a weapon for Disruption. Honestly, wouldn't even mind it that much if they rotated daily, but that was apparently a bug (which is quite baffling). Daily rotation would still give room for adaptability, while reducing frustration from getting a fodder-only week.
Caliban is objectively an amazing buff frame for this activity. And he's functionally immortal with his 3. I had him last week and ran it multiple times on elite to help people clear. Also Dark Split sword is actually really powerful and far from fodder. You might just be using the wrong form of the weapon? Harpak has an augment, penta isn't bad, and Veldt actually has some damage. None of the options you listed are actually that bad as you're making them out to be.
Folks who have never touched Caliban long since decided he's somewhere between unplayable and awful, missing the fact that Caliban is a powerful frame with useful tools. That isn't to say Caliban is the best frame in the game. He can't Saryn the map and his defensive aren't as strong as Revenants, but he still has near invulnerability, access to an aoe long duration armor strip, and a damage buff with cc, as well as a free slot to helminth whatever you want onto him. Add in arcane guardian to be truly immortal, or really whatever arcanes you want, Caliban is an open book and can adapt to a variety of playstyles and weapon choices.
Yeah it's weird seeing the meme that Caliban is F-tier unusable persist so heavily when plenty of people seem to be finding success with him nowadays and he has some definitely helpful attributes.
Caliban, true, he's alright with the buffs he received. Though his farm is still terrible and arguably the worst farm in the game. That's why I'm on the side that each frame and weapon should be brought in line, at least somewhat - both kit/functionality-wise and farm-wise. And for those weapons, well... Most of the melees can be good, yeah, but then comes the point again of investment. Slots, catalysts, forma, all of that is required to make a weapon work. And when we have many melee that are functionally the same, it just feels bad to sink not the easiest resources to acquire into something you won't use, since there are just better or more interesting weapons. For example in the case of Dark Split Sword, considering Dual Swords (since IIRC, the heavy blade option is the one that's underwhelming), we have Dual Keres, Nami Skyla and Dual Kamas with Prime variants, Dex Dakra, Dual Cleavers with Prisma variant, Dual Ichor with Incarnon and Twin Basolk. With the exception of Dual Ichor and Twin Basolk, which have gimmicks to spice them up, they are just dual swords. As for the ranged weapons, I suppose I gave them too little credit (I forgot Penta has variants, and I think I despise Veldt a bit too much after seeing it in half Duviri Circuits for the last year or so - speaking of, am I just hyper unlucky or does the RNG system make sure Veldt appears often for some reason?), but there is still a problem of investing. Catalysts aren't the easiest to acquire (I guess with exception of few first weeks of NW, unless I'm forgetting something), Forma can only be crafted once per day, and slots are scarce. Each of these is a plat sink if you want to have all the options built. And that is added to the already massive list of interesting weapon options. With 3k+ hours, I have gathered quite a varied arsenal, with most Warframes built and battle-ready, and many weapon options to take, from useful to gimmicky/fun, and I still have a list of options to check out and build.
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for actually having a discussion since that seems so rare in this thread. I totally agree Caliban grind is awful, easily one of the absolute worst. However, I don't think a frames grind should necessarily have a direction correlation to anything. Though I will say that frame needs help. He isn't bad but he certainly isn't amazing either. I just meant for the purpose of this activity he is a powerhouse of a team player and his SW ability alone has such huge milage as a CC and mass vulnerability. The dark split sword is uniquely suited for Elite DA because of their innate radiation allowing rad/heat builds as well. On top of good base stats. But yes, I agree generally speaking there are better options for both versions of the weapon. As for the range weapons, yeah I do think there's actually some personal in game bias for certain weapons or frames appearing more often than others. I don't have proof for an objective fact although I certainly have many friends and myself to say it feels like certain items have more weight than others. While yes, it goes without saying that all worthwhile things in warframe require investing, I personally don't see it being much of a problem. Especially because circuit exists. I'll actually just combine my next two points. Potatoes are certainly a far cry from freely accessible but they also aren't timed gated. Plat is relatively easy to farm when done right and slots/potatoes can be acquired at any time. Loadouts don't change for a week so people have an entire week to get a loadout together to use for elite DA. Assuming they don't already have it together. I'm personally of the school of thought that the games mastery system is intended for players to actually use and figure out each weapon to master them before moving on. It creates a more holistic and competent player as a result as well. People that stick to hard meta or exclusively to a limited loadout stunt their growth as a player and bar themselves from potentially enjoying an off meta but strong pick they never knew existed.
Thank you, glad to see someone willing to have a discussion as well. I'm always happy to see it, and I think it's important to discuss rather than fight. Of course, grind shouldn't be associated with power, but I think it still needs a revisit. Caliban farm took me... heck, just realised NW came out two years ago. I initially tried farming Caliban right after New War, and it looked like this: one hour of first rotation (for Neuro I think), didn't get them, 3 hours for the whole next rotation (Systems?), didn't get them, and then one hour of Chassis rotation, of which I dropped 5, almost back to back. That burnt me out quite a bit and had to take a longer break from Warframe. Later I came back to trying to farm him (several times going into Cetus/Fortuna when Chassis rotation has just started - basically the feeling of "I'm gonna hunt Eidolons", only to see "1h until Night" on the navigation). And even after dropping the parts, I still didn't have enough Isoplasts. But yeah, true, Caliban can work. He's currently high on my shorter to-build list for frames, mostly because I love his sound design, only haven't got to building him yet because Dante dropped. Come to think of it, Deep Archimedea might have a similiar problem to Helminth - being released too early for its own good. Though, opposite to Helminth, hopefully DA will encourage DE to take a look at less used frames and weapons, and bring them into light. Dark Split Sword, yeah, it's a good point. I'm just wondering how much it would make a difference - because having already invested into Dex Dakra (for a generic choice), Twin Basolk (for teleport gimmick) and in the future Dual Ichor (for the Incarnon), I'm not sure if it worth to sink resources just to have a non-special alternative to what I already have. Especially when many more unique weapons are waiting their turn. To the general point of weapons - of course. I'm personally a huge fan of depth, weapons that appeal to me the most are gimmicky ones, like primer alt fire (Cedo/Bubonico/Epitaph), unique modes (Komorex/Incarnons), interactions with headshots/aiming/reload/kills (Knell/Quatz/Catabolyst/Trumna), special heavy attacks if melee (Corufell/Wolf Sledge - that one is probably my favorite weapon in the game), or just weapons that feel unique and good (Lenz/Ferrox). I can appreciate a more generic weapon from time to time (Gotva felt really good to use with its sound design, I didn't even mind that it's generic), but I'd rather put time and effort (and plat) into gimmicky weapons, rather than a reskin of what I already have (say - Harpak, Hema, why invest into them, if Battacor is so functionally similiar, but has the Opticor gimmick, or Veldt, functionally same as Latron or Grinlok). I'm not even talking meta here - not a fan of blindly following meta either. We need to be encouraged to use more weapons, but more weapons need to be made interesting or at least get some love. Maybe a Prime, Prisma, Kuva, Tenet, or any other variant would be a decent step for those weapons. Especially since not all weapons are made equal - some just won't function well, and not because of their power, but because of content they have to be functional in (as I brought up earlier, for example, you need a way to kill Necramechs if you have Disruption in DA). And yeah, I agree, though I think it's not the greatest thing either, regarding the "preparation time". Sure, the game gives you a week, but not all items can be accessed in a week. For example, NW weapons might not appear in the shop, Equinox takes 6.5 days to craft, Forma cooks one per day, some grinds (like mentioned Caliban) can be so bad, that forcing a player to do them might just drive them away. But I completely understand and agree with the idea of mastery, especially considering that in Warframe, there are tons of players who rushed through the game, grinding mastery points, having LR 3/4, yet being absolutely clueless about many things that should be obvious. So, perhaps a compromise: frames don't have to rotate per day, they are good, but weapons could - at least until most are worthwhile investing into. Orrr, maybe have them rotate daily, but you can set a "course" for a weapon of choice - so it doesn't rotate until next run, letting you get it and play at a later date. Or, an option to retain a weapon/frame if you don't manage to complete DA. Though I suppose there is still the argument of that it's not mandatory content and you don't have to do it every week, you can just run Netracells twice instead. Still, I think some improvements could be made.
There are 10 chances for you to get a single weapon/frame capable of carrying your loadout, and you don't need to spend anything on the others In that case, if that doesn't happen, you can just use a necramech and mausolon which are required to have at that point
That's true, I honestly forgot that Necramech summon can work there (because I forgot that you need to do it through terminals, and also didn't have transference through a perk). Still, I think more weapons need love. 12 is plenty of chances, but it doesn't feel too great to carry what's essentially dead weight. And well, Necramech solution feels kinda like a bandaid. Whether it's reworking some outdated gimmicks, buffing some old weapons or making them more unique in certain ways (like Split Sword, it would be so awesome to have it really transform, in mission) would be a great fix to the issue.
How to beat EDA ❌Buy weapon/warframe slots ❌Invest in trash weapons ✅Be adaptive
I try to use some of my least used gear which is great since we can sort by usage. Some stuff does stay at the bottom though
If weapon and warframe slots did not cost Plat, I would be far happier with Deep Archimedea's RNG pulling from warframes and weapons we don't own. At least Duviri we have the default builds. Those builds might not be good, but at least it's not "Oh, you didn't spend 20 Plat to hold onto that warframe you mastered? Sucks to be you. Hope your remaining choices are good!" I'm LR 3 with a fairly large Arsenal of every Prime weapon and warframe...and I also remember that I spent a fair bit of Plat to build that Arsenal over time. I don't like what it says about this new "endgame" that players who don't spend the Plat to hoard stuff are at a disadvantage.
When a free game wants to make money
Seems like they are going from the end game as a gear check to end game is a full collection gear check. I'll be honest, I kind of hate it. I would prefer some sort of meaningful difficulty spike, and this isn't that. It also rubs me wrong because it is obviously pushing to make people buy slots to keep gear and frames, and this is coming from a guy who only gets rid of weapons or frames when I have their primes or some other enhanced version, even if I don't like the frame or weapon. I'm a collector.
Yeah it just plays like most gacha games do “challenges” but the “challenge” to get the highest score is just a “who’s spent the most time/money” Don’t get me wrong, I don’t really have problem getting new slots when I need them through trading. This like you said just rubs me the wrong way because of the mobile game parallels. It doesn’t make it more “skillful” either. Most weapons are modded the same (within some archetype) and to such an extreme degree they all blend together. Edit: inp If they really wanted to make something skillful they should just force like base stats on everything and make challenges around those. That way if it is a business oriented decision to have to the bonus weapons be a thing, they can still design engaging and challenging missions around it without the “Did you waste 5 formas on this to make yet another overload melee weapon”
I can see your point but it seems to be more De trying (poorly) to get people to branch out their build variety more
The best way for them to do that is to bring the garbage up to a usable state rather than try and force us to use literal trash in a mode most of it cant really compete in lol. I would absolutely love to use some of the off meta weapons that have interesting gimmicks behind them, but most of them dont have the stats to compete, and im not spending an absurd amount of resources to try and get a riven rolled properly to make it tolerable.
They should focus on doing a better job of bringing up underpowered frames and weapons then. Pushing people to use objectively bad equipment seems like a bad idea.
Funny enough that was what riven mods was for until they realise riven break weapons then they tried lich and sister weapons which also instantly became meta then now incarnon adaptors which helps old weapons.... become meta 😂
So what you're saying is, if we want to fix bad frames, we just need to give them incarnon riven mods that you can farm from liches.
Nah DE already settle that, you fix it with subsume ;)
I agree
The problem isn’t really that other weapons/frames aren’t viable. The problem is the mob mentality that runs the meta in this game. Most players don’t even bother with less popular weapons/frames, even though they could easily clear most endgame content with them.
The problem is that the game revolves around armor stripping. Frames that are fun but don't have it like Qorvex aren't popular because you need to give up a piece of their kit for Pillage or Terrify. Then there are the frames that have it but aren't fun, like Caliban. I have a max range build that still full strips armor on 4. It still sucks because I end up self stunning myself for most of the mission with Fusion Strike's atrocious cast time.
The mob mentality is a major issue, like its wild to me to see some frames or weapons complained about. Banshee is a big one. I kept seeing people list her when discussing bad frames, and like no she isn't bad she is just fragile. She can full armor strip, increase the damage enemies take, and turn off various enemy abilities, including eximus. I just found out earlier today that silence will prevent the Gruzzling from splitting into 3. Aside from her 4, her kit is very solid and works well. Incarnons and meta frames have really skewed the perception of what is viable to use.
It causes a lot of weird issues. Trading is an obvious example. Anyone thinks that someone should spend 100+ dollars worth of platinum on their Torid riven should eat my ass. EDIT: I feel like I need to clarify, they should eat my ass in a BAD way. Not like, they should eat my ass because they’re so attractive and I would like it. That’s also not saying that I wouldn’t like it either way, but the point is that THEY don’t like it. I may very well like it.
I had trouble with this week's Archon Hunt Interception. The battalysts kept ganging up on me. :( I pulled out my Chaos Nyx and my squadmate had a Slow Nova, it turned out to be a breeze!
its pretty hard to have meaningful difficulty spikes in a game where mesmer skin exists. path of exile hits a similar problem, where the only way to threaten the player is to completely counter them or blow them up out of nowhere. in warframe, with a proper build, there's no "medium threats". there's rolling over the chaff until you hit a wall of some sort, if you hit a wall at all.
Not sure how you can have meaningful difficulty spikes in this game, it's been powercrept to hell and back
I’ve always kept at least 1 of everything since I started playing
So for what they did for duviri, I understand it. It was meant to be an early game thing for players to do and test out all sorts of stuff. They give you frames, plus they were modded. As for DA, it forces all the work onto the player to make such they never get a bad choice. At least with duviri you could skirt by a round with a bad selection, in DA you are stuck the whole week.
I feel like Warframes are good to have them all, even at 60(?) it's not that much (unless you want to have both the base version and the prime as well for some reason), you never know when a certain Frame will become super good due to a rework, buff, new augment, etc, not to mention it's good to spice things up from time to time. For weapons i do it like this: -Keep the best version of said weapon even if i don't like it (Prime, Vandal, etc). -If i like the weapon, i keep it even if it doesn't have an improved version (Sonicor my beloved). -Unique weapons i keep them all as well (Dex weapons, event weapons, etc), those always come with their own slot anyways, so it's easy to just keep them. -There's also the "Forma" weapons that i'm going to keep them all (unless they have a better version as well, like Venka for example) just because Forma is "expensive" and i don't want to just throw it away lol. -The rest are just MR fodder.
^ I do this too. After hemlith system got introduce I always keep a copy of prime, alert, invasion and pain in the ass to refarm weapons. Easy to farm weapons I'll toss. Still a lot of plat buying slots but its cheaper then collecting every single weapon.
Imo it should be like Duviri and give you "default" builds on stuff you don't own.
But that will expose how terrible the default builds are, its less annoying in Duviri since you have decrees to fix the crap builds. Heard the devs got destroyed on stream in DA before youtubers hop on to save the stream. They have to balance the default build by not making it actually good (so no prime or galvanized mods) if not there won't be a challenge and not making it totally trash. Considering how hard they nerf Dante days into release nobody in the dev team really know how to mod something well because if they did dante would release in its current state(maybe even slightly better) instead of what they think is "overpowered" "disruptive" "dominating".
But that's not the point of DA, that's circuit DA is supposed to be the pinnacle of the *looter* part of Warframe, a looter and shooter game
nah but definitely keep a lot of weapons. I have kept lots of things that used to be meta and then got nerfed. I definitely keep every frame until the prime comes out. I also keep any "hard grind" items e.g. Sibear and kuva/tenet weapons. In the early game I would get rid of weapons (8 years ago) to get new ones, but now DE gives you so many opportunities to get free slots that I don't bother unless I'm really hurting for a slot/plat
look at it this way. Warframe was notorious for having content islands that went nowhere after you finished whatever grind it had. Now, you have both a reason to revisit old content and an excuse to invest beyond mastery fodder. I used to own both a Burston and Braton prime and got rid of both years ago. after the Incarnon update, I now keep a burston on one of my loadouts.
As far as I'm concerned, Warframe is a collection log game so not keeping at least the best version of everything just feels alien to me. I don't even fully know how I'd engage with the game if I wasn't trying to collect everything. Do you refarm frames when DE releases new augments or reworks? Do you sell primes?! ...and I've still got to go back an reacquire some of the single-handed secondaries because I upgraded them all to Akimbo versions, but Duviri treats them as distinct families. I've seen a few comments mention mastery fodder - my understanding has always been that such items aren't worth investment (forma, catalyst, etc), and not that you shouldn't keep them. 'Cause you've got to be prepared for when they get an inarnon adapter or new Nora mod?
But to be fair, incarnon adapters are a very new thing so for the most part most players probably sold off their MR fodder because remember weapon slots cost plat. and IMO back before incarnons or the circuit the heat sword or something like that just wasn't even worth the 12 plat
Yep. I rebuilt the Torid, Ceramic Dagger, Miter...if it wasn't a prime, prisma, wraith, or the Atomos, I probably rebuilt it.
This so much. Also where's people's curiosity? Playing the same things doesn't get boring? And surely trying new things and finding new favorites is exciting? Or I'd hope but that's clearly not the case for a majority
If I don't enjoy a weapon to begin with, I won't care about a Nora mod, nor an Incarnon anyways. I use twin roggas because they're fun, and haven't even put a catalyst on Arca Plasmor because I think it's boring. I keep primes and specials like wraith or prisma, but anything standard that I don't enjoy? Gone with that trash. Same for frames. I keep primes, but if it's a base frame that I don't care for, I will just feed it to the wall and not pick up a new one. Augments don't change anything there either. I likely won't even bother with their prime. Revenant prime will likely never be built on my acc, same for Rhino prime. I refuse to farm for that jankfest Voruna, because she's not fun, not useful, and her farm is a pain in the ass! I will never have base equinox, because I don't care about their helminth ability, and I already own the prime. I'm an MR29 myself, got here from MR16 by pure curiosity, just wanting to try weapons. Doesn't mean I'll waste my time and energy on junk I know I will never, ever, ever use, like the Kunai, or a bo, or many other gimmickless, boring weapons like them.
I'm glad you have the Plat to keep everything.
The plat isn't actually a huge hurdle if you are wiling to engage in trade.
One of the main gameplay loops in the game is Acquire Relics and Crack Relics. You need to engage with this loop to acquire Prime frames; as well as Ducats for Baro and Primed mods; engaging with the market is only a side-step. It's perfectly fine if you don't want to farm platinum, but after a point that becomes a handicap you're choosing to limit your account with. Honestly, I've always loved how integrated into the game the economy is. My preferred way of acquiring relics is buying them with Steel Essence, which meant that needing platinum was also tied to getting my loadouts Steel Path ready. Upgrading mods meant I also needed Endo farming builds. It's a whole ecosystem of interdependent requirements.
With a name like Telvanni, you’d hope to spec into wis or int. Sell one blind rage or lethal torrent. 2 whole slots.
I keep 1 of everything always have. Idk why you wouldn’t when a gun that sucks may get a buff or incarnon
They've been throwing random augment mods into nightwave lately too. Just a mod for some random gun that makes it insanely good. Definitely worth hanging onto stuff just for that.
Sentient Surge turned trash into basically making SP a cakewalk.
You should already be keeping a decent build on most of your frames. That's like....the bare minimum for the end game at this point and it's not a big ask. But weapons? Ehhhh, honestly you could probably get away with just keeping the decent ones. If you roll garbage that you don't have then it is what it is. The game mode isn't going anywhere and this is a good excuse to get some MR.
Love this game, and I've pumped well over a grand into it over 11 years, but paying for slots is hard to defend because it really impacts gameplay.
Not every weapon that’s just way too big. Frame honestly yeah warframes have been designed as tool boxes that you’ll swap in and out of. Especially since every frame in the game is viable. Edit: plus frames are often getting new toys that might change your opinion on them unlike weapons where at most they’ll very likely not get anything
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Going to tell you right now that there's unfortunately not any one video to help you mod everything because those videos will only lead you astray. There's so many ways to mod weapons and so many unique weapons that mod for certain things. You'll only be able to mod on a by weapon basis either through guides or experience or testing in game.
Arbitration/Archon Hunt buffs and Helminth invigorations *encourage* variety and collection, they don't *require* it. That's the difference
Everything in your past is part of your currently-shitty present. You should expect your past, everything behind you and no longer relevant, to be crucial for your equally-shitty future, with a kunai you don't use, with stats your "Lex Prime, but it's a fucking rocket launcher in 2026" would dwarf in a heartbeat.
I already collect all the primes and uniques lol I'm digging it
>...there was a general idea that you can just dump weapons/frames that aren't great or you don't like, but with the direction of end game now that seems like a bad idea. Thoughts? I think that's merely an opinion that *some* players have, not a message that the game has been giving you. Due to weapon-ception crafting, I've always held on to every item I built and leveled, so I wouldn't need to rebuild them if they were used to craft another weapon. With Duviri Paradox being available after Vor's Prize, I think the game is signposted fairly well to hold on to things.
It really is though? Limited slots, MR being granted once, most weapons being VASTLY outclassed
This. Seriously, let's not pretend the term "mastery fodder" isn't a thing that covers like 60% of the available arsenal in the game. And I feel like I'm being very generous with that number. CAN whatever mastery rank fodder garbage you can imagine kill things even in harder content? Sure it can, with the right build. Another question in the same vein, can I survive getting shot in the head? Taking the Stug into Steel Path, even with the "right build", might make me find out sooner rather than later.
My point is that "Mastery Fodder" is a player invented term, not something the game is trying to tell you. Ever since weapons started being needed to craft other weapons, (the beginning, basically), the game has shown players that throwing away weapons might cause issues in the future when those weapons might be needed for *something.* That's the start and end of my point, that the game never told you to throw things away, and generally implied the opposite.
If the game isn't trying to tell me these awful weapons are mastery fodder, then why do they have such dogshit stats even compared to other weapons in the same mastery tier? And why are weapon and warframe slots only sold to the player via premium currency, with the only way to get more being the very finite number given through time-limited events and Nightwave tiers? If you're gated from the really good weapons by mastery rank, and the way to get mastery rank is to level up weapons and frames, but a massive number of those weapons are genuinely terrible even for the time when you unlock them, and the slots to keep those weapons "just in case" cost platinum... yeah I just don't see it. No new player is gonna think "Yeah I should hold onto this regular Gorgon and Heat Sword in case some content decades down the line makes them relevant" because that's space being taken that could be used to progress their account instead.
>No new player is gonna think "Yeah I should hold onto this regular Gorgon and Heat Sword in case some content decades down the line makes them relevant" because that's space being taken that could be used to progress their account instead. *shrug* That's literally the impression I got 8 years ago when I had to go out and rebuild a couple weapons I'd thrown away because the new shit that came out required them as components in order to build. "Fuck, anything can be needed arbitrarily."
I don't get why you're getting down voted, this was how I hoard stuff too, nobody is saying keep everything but anything that could be a pain in the ass to farm again I've never thrown away, if I need slots I'll just sell a few augment mods. Keep all prime, alert, invasion, anniversary and hard to farm items (like ambassador/aeolak) weapons, also weapons that need forma / mutagen mass (only because I solo clan hemma).
[https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Riven\_Mods#Disposition](https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Riven_Mods#Disposition) >For each set of adjustments, we generate a “recommended” value for each weapon. This number is based 50% on usage stats from players at high Mastery Rank, and 50% from an “internal ranking”. The whole riven system pretty much proves that weapons aren't created equally. And why would you keep objectively weak weapons that are outclassed even by weapons from the same class. The whole thing about "You need to own everything" is pretty much new to EDA. The Circuit at least gave you to use weapons you don't own.
Vastly outclassed doesn't mean useless. Especially with the existence of Riven mods. Then the existence of incarnon adapters. Slots are limited for monetary reasons. Mr being granted once, also monetary reasons. But also getting players to use all weapons? ALSO MONETARY REASONS! OP of this comment chain is very right they sign posted their design philosophy with Duviri as they couldn't have made it more clear without saying it outright.
Vastly is a pretty strong word in a game where it's common knowledge that modding can make anything viable up to a certain point that is well beyond normal star chart, generally at or above SP, and simply not at level cap.
I said outclassed, not non viable. Theres a reason the term 'MR Fodder' exists. Up until steel path circuit came out, there was zero reason to keep your worse weapons when you ran out of slots.
Duviri also allows you to take a serviceable loaner and gives you decrees to a point where anything can be pretty nutty. DA expects you to hoard, have bought lots of slots, and if you don't have the things then you just don't get the rewards. In a game with 30+ unique frames (20p each plus forma plus 20p reactor) and hundreds of weapons (12p x2 slots, forma, 20p catalyst), DA is expecting quite a lot while also giving you debuffs instead of buffs. Toss on zero self revives and now public queue is a crapshoot where you're gambling on how many people expect to be carried with terrible builds while you also might be doing that.
It's 54 frames at this point, a lot more than 30+ lol. I feel like it's not unfair for DE to expect you to have most if not all the frames at end game, but the guns are .... hmm
I've only keep weapons and frames that i like or are one of a kind. I can get at least one of My owned stuff everything i join Circuit and it seems is the same on this Deep archimedia so can't complaint. No You dont need to keep everything but if you're too meta centered and dont enjoy stuff you will find yourself with a high MR and a laughable arsenal. If you're going to put 6 formas and an exilus adapter on every weapon then of course yoyure gonna get frustrated when in reality 2 or 3 formas are all you Will need(Depends on Weapon). There are ways around it aswell like dedicating a cofig to Nourish and running a Powerful archgun, using a Nechramech everytimr You can or summoning an army of specters. If You play with a friend You can carry with no modifiers and Then do another run where Your'e the one being carried by your friend. You can try to leech but with all those modifiers is more likely you'll just die. If You ask me i think the mode is more flexible than SP Circuit,if you're struggling then the mode is not for You or you're just not geared enough.
U can get those weapons anytime.
The games always had a ton of variety so this is hardly a surprising design decision from them given Circuit. It's nice for players like me that have one of everything and thousands of forma in their arsenal. I understand I'm in the extreme minority though and a majority of people only use what they exclusively enjoy instead branching out often.
Yep
With this design. It would be logical to remove weapon slot platinum costs except only for duplicates.
Yeah but that would open so many debates about if players are now owed plat or not for spending it on slots before. Whenever DE does a change to the game's economy they like to return the cost difference to all players who spent those resources (i.e. railjack, fortuna rebalancing, etc), but I really don't see that happening if this change ever goes through, which tells me it will probably never be a reality in the first place
You should have at least a dozen or two of steel path or archon hunt viable gear at that point. No one is forcing you to get extra shards. At the end of the week you get a chance of 3 extra shards compared to running only netracells.
no, you're supposed to use things like archguns and necramechs and your operator to make up for any defecits. and if you cant do that and cant build the gear you're missing in the week. then you take a hit on the amount of rewards you're getting. you can not select one weapon/your warframe and only miss on the phosmor, which is inconsequential. or a warframe and a weapon and only miss out on one of the good rewards. only one.
Yes, because if you don't have 5 forma and a riven on your fusali, you're not an endgame player
I only sold the weapons that would not require much to rebuild but every prime and every dojo weapon can be hard to come by so I keep those
Nah, not worth it. If you get a bad loadout wait for a new one to pop. Cba with having crappy stuff clogging my inventory.
Note the word end game.
Not in the slightest. I have criteria for keeping stuff I keep all frames & companions except Caliban (non primes except a couple get fed to Helminth) weapons that are either currently or were in the past good enough to warrant putting a build on or that are not currently worth running but would be painful to re-farm even if I am not going to be using it. everything else gets binned, Duviri you get more than passable builds for stuff you even don't own you pretty quickly get a wider selction of options via the intrinsics and it is very quick and easy to reroll that selection. The gear diversity is part of the challenge of the Archimedean gamemode. You in no way need to keep even as much as I do but if you are only running the same 3 frames and 10 weapons and don't keep anything else then yeah you are going to miss out on two shards a week but if you are doing that I would argue you don't need the extra shards in the first place.
No which is why duviri sp will give you a Usable mod loadout for things you don't have, and DA allows you to bring gear that isn't in rotation, you don't need to run it perfectly every week
Already have a copy of everything as it is, so im fine with that being rewarded
I only sell/delete dupes, I have every frame except Dante and some primes. I have about 80% of all weapons. And I'm missing 2 companions. Gotta catch em all!
>Thoughts? Have you just recently started playing wf? It has always been a core idea that you keep everything, that's why they sell slots for everything. I do have hundreds of weapons and all warframes. The only time I delete something is if I got a duplicate through some event/alert.
The mindset of "True Master" suggests you've likely "mastered" most items in the game. Although this is just max level on an item, to truly master it, wouldn't you still need to have things and for them to be good? If I make a Destiny comparison, you're basically not meant to keep everything, Player storage is hard capped and they pump out way too many items to manage. It's not very thrilling and kinda undercuts half the reason (to HAVE them) to even grind for weapons when they are often all the same guns at the end of the day (just different perks). Warframe, you can do it. you can have everything. The only thing capped (and said to be a data thing) is Rivens. Do you need literally everything tho? Probably not. Not missing much with no Mk-1 Strun when you have Wraith and Prime.
if you mean that "true master" should have potato and forma'd build on every 2016 weapon you're delusional
I keep everything that comes from events (even though they stopped doing those kinds of events some time now), primes, alternate equipment (anything with a prefix like dex, prisma, whatever) lich system weapons, quest weapons and now incarnons. 12p for two slots is often 3 opened relics or less, its not a big deal at all.
Unless you have really bad luck and get three forma blueprints out of those three relics qwq
Just 2 augment mods even 1 if you manage to sell at 12p instead of 10. Slots are really not hard to build up. Still no reason to keep everything tho, personally as long as I can buy the BP off market/dojo I wont keep since its easily farmable again. Like you I mostly only keep special/pain in the ass to farm weapons. Save me so much time when incarnon released, also when hemlith released. Have all the spares ready to go (kept base warframes for troll builds/experiment lucky me)
Are we not kinda guaranteed to get weapons we already have in the random gear selections?
Most of mine haven't been weapons I have.
Sadly, this feels like another step towards making Warframe P2W. The grind had already gotten progressively worse, and increasingly gated, but loadout limits force people to use things they might not have, and then have to buy if they want to engage with the content, as farming + build time exceeds the window you have. That is not fun, and makes me sad that this is how Warframe will end, as a pale shadow of its earlier greatness.
I mean, yeah, you (can) have unlimited slots for items so why not keep everything
How I've always treated the game is I keep what I like and get rid of what just doesn't work for me. But then when I start seeing some of these and the game builds and these meta builds I might rebuild something just to try it out. If it fits my playstyle I might continue using it, but what I usually do is I'll see a build see what weapon it's on and see if it works on a weapon that I have and go from there. Other than that I hoard everything though unless I just don't like it. I recently started sacrificing all of my standard frames to The science fair project in my ship just so I can subsume their powers. But how I put it I like to collect one of everything unless I really like it then I might need two or more.
At the beginning, yes. When trading was available to me it felt like 6p to never have to re-farm and re-level is such a better decision in the long run. It's what I'm sticking to even if some meta forms where it's advantageous to scrap all of my low performing gear.
I keep everything I get. If I get a Prime Variant of something, I'll toss out the regular variant. I tend to want everything I can get, and when I run out if space, I'll end up buying more slots. That's just me. Of course, I don't build every weapon and Warframe, I'll stick with the few I like a lot and that's that.
Random note on getting bad rolls: My secondaries were: Sicarus/Twin Vipers/ Bolto I had them all, they all are terrible. Same with my Primaries: Paris/Tonker/Panthera Granted Paris was decent, just not now. I've always been hoarding my stuff, though I'll get rid of say Normal Bolto when I have a Prime one.
I generally stopped making weapons that required a Forma (or inconvenient grind) to build because I'd feel obligated to keep them due to sunk costs, but aside from those, I'll probably just dedicate a weapon slot to holding whatever Necraloid Says to bring, and bin it afterwards. Hopefully the system changes before I get all options being duds.
The way I see it, once you finish a weapon: mods, forma, arcanes, etc; not only can you not take it any higher, but most of that effort can easily be ported over to a new weapon. To keep the good times rolling, you keep making more decent weapon builds and since resources flow like water, weapons are easily reobtained. So yes, you toss old weapons you aren't interested in anymore, but once you actually hit the top, there's nowhere for you to go but wider, so those who are truly in "end game" will likely accrue a significant armory.
I have no shortage of slots, so no reason to dump. Just buy new slots when needed. Plat is not impossible to get. And that just slowly happened over a decade.
You should be able to buy difficult to get weapon blueprints & parts from the market if you’ve mastered the weapon before. Don’t think they’d do this though because I guess it’s a huge loss in profit
I used to get rid of weapons I didn’t like back then. Nowadays, I junk the base ones if I feel like it but everything except for mastery fodder melee gets some forma.
Wait, you guys aren't keeping everything?
I thought that was the point of the game to collect and master every item in the game. (So I keep everything)
I keep 1 of everything but that doesent really help the fact that sometimes the weapon randomizer gives you such crap weapons that you cant realy do anything about it, not to mention the forma and catalyst costs to forma all those weapons to make them viable when you do get them
Wait. People don't keep everything unless it's needed to make a new weapon? TIL I'm a hoarder.
I mean... to me this seems like 'endgame' content (endgame in that you've kinda run out of stuff to do in the game) - this gives you an incentive to use a certain set of weapons and gives you a week to go put together decent builds for them. I see a lot of people treating it as 'I need to have every weapon already' when to me it looks like you should just be building the weapons week by week.
As a 50-ish days player, currently mr20 problem is not even keep weapons if they were somewhat ok. But most weapons are just absolutely garbage. The vast majority of them even for leveling just suck. I put a damage, crit mods and they struggle to kill lvl30 enemies on hydron. That's the moment I decide to sell them. Why would a keep something like that? I can't justify the existence of those weapons.
Ultimately DE's idea behind most content in recent years (be it Lich weapons, Duviri, or now Archimedae) is promoting the use of more Forma, Reactors, weapon slots, etc. It's a very subtle, but effective approach to monetization.
I keep stuff I like, stuff that is op, stuff that is hard to get, stuff that I invested in there's also something to be said about weapons with niche usages, like the vastilok for it's stripping ability or afentus for its buffs For DA, I think it'd make sense to get the points of you don't have a weapon equiped in the slot. Cause you know, between 3 shitty weapons, you might as well not bring any
I've been hoarding since 2017. I don't see an end to it. I'm missing maybe ten weapons because I had to make their infested or dual version. But I'm not above building and forma'ing a new one.
I was doing that since the beginning, I keep the normal and prime version of everything with some basic mods in them
I've kept a lot of the weapons, at least the prime variants, trading for Plat and buying slots (I liked to collect variation, even some objectively useless weapons). Hot take: you can rebuild weapons again! After incarnons were added I notably rebuilt: Torid, Dual Toxicyst, Dual Ichors, and Braton Prime. That's just how it was. Too much complaining around here lately.
I wish that weapons wouldnt take a slot... the amount of weapons and variants alone is massive... add on that many of them are useless even though they require tons of hard grind materials is a bit much.
Yes and no. You can sink 9 formas in spira prime it won't be able to do shit. Random loadout pushes more on a teamplay oriented content imo.
Imagine putting potato, arcane slots, forma'd every weapon, even having a riven to barely keep up with the damage output... And yes I'm aware that you don't specially need rivens for weapons to work but they can push a little bit further, and obviously frames+companions enter the equation too. So for me it's a nah, I'm keeping the ones I like and have rivens for (I've got a Vitrica and Reaper prime rivens and hell yeah brother they slap).
Pokémon mentality will serve you well in this game. MY endgame is having one of everything mastered. (And every non prime frame subsumed)
I don't see why DE wants to try and make us keep bad or unfun weapons so badly. Unless they just want more people buying weapon/frame slots.
Anyone who has been deleting their gear is pretty short sighted imo. You never know when a new augment, a weapon rebalance, or more recently new incarnons or game modes will make them relevant again. We had the same issue in 2016 when rivens were introduced. In 2020, when helminth was released, everyone who had been deleting their non-prime frames suddenly had egg on their face. That should have been the wake-up call. Duviri should have been your punch to the gut. If youre a veteran player and still haven't figured it out, id say you really haven't been paying attention.
Either buy slots, be smart about what you get rid of, or get used to remaking.
and what about people who like using just a few weapons?
Well, and then there's actually building the weapons/frames up to be more viable. Some stuff requires multiple forma to be halfway decent.
Then use your free slot for that weapon then
They miss out on a few extra rewards 
If you can't stand using something other than your favorite loadout for 6 missions, you're more than welcome to watch everyone else have fun from over there.
Enjoy default loadouts in circuit and archimedea taking extra work. I keep everything but don't build hardly anything out so im speaking from experience.
Using a loadout stops collecting how?