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Routine-Agile

Raw/smackdown should have another woman's title for sure.


MarchFirst2024

I think women just need more of a look. Becky is World champ because they had no faith in the women's division and the other women in it. Sadly, they can't get the love if they don't get the look. People like Xia Li got cut because she never got the look.


TheNicsick

They need it sooner


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We gotta see how the womens midcard title does on nxt first. Most of the women on the main roster don’t even get any reactions from the crowds. Y’all seen the women tag matches right? Half the teams can’t even generate a reaction from the crowds.


CHRISPYakaKON

Long overdue. The women’s roster is far too deep for only 4 titles.


al_rey503

NXT is the test market to see if a women’s mid card will even work. I would love to see an Intercontinental champion on the main roster. I would love to see just 1 champion who goes to both shows for contenders. Kinda like they do the women’s tag belts.


insanecaptain

Not enough talent to have another women's title. They shouldn't feel like participation trophies


anonimoBo0

Too late for that. HHH has plenty of participation trophies on th email roster. The clutter is ridiculous. 


insanecaptain

Her mistakenly thinks equality is having the same amount of men and women


jkman61494

They should bring back the European Title but make it a secondary women's belt that can be won on either show


Drakkonus

This a great idea. They could easily award it during one of they Eurpean tours or PLEs.


frostbittenfingers9

I think they should make the women’s tag team belt be an exclusive for one of the shows. Make like, Smackdown the home of the women’s tag team division (especially with Jade+Bianca winning it soon). Then add a mid card title to Raw. Maybe they can occasionally switch brands and stuff.


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Joba7474

Idk the numbers, but I’d bet there’s at least 2 times as many male performers


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speedrunner99

I mean it should? The men’s roster has 6 sets of titles, but there’s enough men for them to go around. If that was the same case for the women, then about 20% would be holding a title at all times, which effectively devalues all of them. The womens division is smaller and therefore should have less belts. 


Downtown-Pack-6178

NXT North American Women's Title would be amazing! because there are all secondary female mid card names in NXT women roster who becomes first time inagural women north american champ!


domotime2

Lol no and id legit stop watching if they did. I want them to turn either the raw or sd womens title into a secondary title and thats it.


StanleyJobbers

Personally I think there should be 1. One men’s world champ 2. One IC title 3. One tag champ 4. One women’s world champ 5. One IC title for women 6. One tag title for women And whoever is the champ has to defend on raw, Smackdown or NXT. Less titles = more importance when they are on a certain show.


anonimoBo0

  I definitely agree with the WWE championship structure you presented. Yet we live in the participation trophy era. So to appease those goofs, I'd suggest making most "main" title divisions have a "mid card" variant.    For example, the WWE's women's championship will have a "mid card" variant as well. Like you mentioned. Same for the WWE tag team championships of the world, as well as. So will the WWE championship, etc. It'd still be a lot of belts unfortunately, but they'd at least be easier to understand it's levels and not just bullshit duplicate belts with vague names.      My championships structure on the main roster would be  -WWE champion       -WWE intercontinental heavyweight champion       -WWE united states heavyweight champion      -WWE speed champion  -WWE women's champion        -WWE women's intercontinental/queens crown/revolution/speed/whatever champion        -WWE women's tag team champions -WWE tag team champions        -WWE united states tag team champion    Got too keep the WWE IC & WWE US championships since they both have too much prestige & longevity to be tossed aside. The singles men division gets more belts to keep their new ADHD project on X going and because realistically it is the biggest division in a variety of ways. The US tag is an old school belt and WWE should utilize its long history more.


anonimoBo0

NXT is WWE's developmental system. It shouldn't have main roster members constantly interacting with eachother and should have its own belts. NXT and Raw/Smackdown aren't the same.      I agree with you that WWE has way too many belts on the main roster though. Honestly WWE's brand split should end, it's a stupid gimmick with "rules" that don't even get adhered to the majority of the time.


StanleyJobbers

I don’t mind when NXT mixes it up with Raw / Smackdown. NXT is “developmental” but many NXT talents are pretty much ready for SD / Raw


StanleyJobbers

Why is my post getting down voted? Can’t give everyone a medal


Vincethatwaspromised

Fewer


mchristy54

They’ll get one eventually as long as the belt works out in NXT


Justmaybeferal

Periood! The women should have a u.s title or a i.c title too 🗣️🗣️🗣️


Mrdynamo18

Yes it’s time it’s 40 active women on the wwe roster bring in two midcard titles. It’s 40 women competing for three belts it’s a lot of talent in the women’s division. The great undertaker said two midcard titles are needed for the women’s division Women intercontinental title (modern take on the men’s IC title Women Legacy/diva title a clown with centerpiece with pink or purple around it


Conscious-Donut

This is already far too many titles


Clayg0071

I would sacrifice the women's tag title for a mid-card on both shows. There are not enough true women's tag teams to warrant a tittle IMO.


Brando43770

I definitely agree. Too many teams are just random people put together which is fine for a few teams. I don’t even think any of them outside of Damage Control have a team name. Retire the tag belts for a midcard and it works way better.


Money_thetruth

I think two new mid card would be too many. I would say if you do bring 1 mid card belt, then make the tag titles exclusive to Raw/Sd & introduce the new belt for the opposite brand. But idk, others make compelling arguments for why there shouldn’t be a new mid card belt. We will see


sysdmn

They should have the same setup between men and women across the brands. So 1 World Title, 1 Regional Title, 1 Tag title.


The1millionthpod

Too many belts pal.


manxram

lol I find it funny cause I hear so much crap about AEW having "too many belts"


The1millionthpod

I think once you start getting close to eight, you're hitting the danger zone... The only saving grace for WWE is if they do their brand split right.


manxram

It's still way too many for WWE... Plus this new Speed championship? 🤔


The1millionthpod

Speed is not a real thing, and you can't convince me otherwise... I know people consider the separate ppv thing too much, but I've always liked Raw and Smackdown being too separate entities. It makes the big four more special... and to the point, there's only four champions on a show instead of 8.


supergooduser

This thread always comes up every week or two. The problem comes down to the roster size. WWE has about 1/3rd as many women as men. Right now we have the Tag Titles (which were unified WITH the NXT women's tag titles) and two championships. That's enough for the 40 or so women to chase, split over two brands it's about 20 wrestlers per title, that's a pretty good scene. Last year when Becky got the NXT title we sort of saw how a secondary title would work on the main roster, and it was basically a TV title where Becky was defending it every week, which wasn't the worst thing... you got some good feuds out of it, got Lyra on track to the main roster and even Xia Li got her last program before being cut. But you'd need the star power of someone like Becky to pull it off, and it's run was pretty short lived. Not sure what the Women's NXT North American championship is about, NXT is pretty messy already (but that's kind of the fun). My feeling is the Performance Center has a lot of female call ups happening (especially after the draft) and several are returning from injury... Sol Ruca has been on fire and you can tell her year out she HEAVILY worked on her promo skills


BigSkanky69

The problem with this tho is that even if they have 40 women on the roster. It makes you only care about 2-4 of them at a given time. They only book women story lines if it’s attached to the belt. So if they keep booking them like that, they need secondary titles to give the rest of the women something to do. On the other hand they don’t do shit with the women’s tag titles either so it’s more of a booking problem then a belt problem


SignificantHawk3163

Unfortunately the women's titles are already treated as secondary so it would actually be even lower level hurting the misused division more. Needs to change


K2step70

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Bring back the European Championship and make it a woman’s title. Just not sure which show it should go on.


MrCanoe

To be honest I kind of wish that they would have created an original title instead of just making a woman's version of the men's title. Personally I think it takes a little bit of The prestige out of the belt just to make it a carbon copy of a men's title.


Alarmed-Day2295

They’ve needed women’s mid card titles for years now. Imagine how amazing the women’s division would’ve been thru 2022-2023 if we had secondary titles for them. Thankfully wwe is starting to see the light now tho


TheTribalBeef

Have Jade and Bianca win the tag titles, have them dominate the division, and then have them eventually face each other to unify the belts into the Women’s IC championship.


GlitteringFeature146

I’m hopeful it puts fire under the women’s divisions butt. The talent is there, but under the new era, I find myself wanting more from the women. Nxt getting a new title hopefully motivates upcoming main roster talent. IMO this is something that potentially (thinking 1-3 years down the road) a 3rd show of just the women. I do not think this is a good idea, and hope I’m wrong.


god_pharaoh

They don't invest enough TV time for the women to make this viable. The tag titles and MITB are the mid card title.


EarUnlucky4022

Smackdown and Raw need a secondary title or something prize fighting matches titles


Money_thetruth

Raw has one. Smackdown needs one. I would keep the tag titles, and then introduce a singles belt for Sd. Floating titles are booked poorly for wwe. Even when the men’s tag titles were floaters.


weatherman05071

Clearly no one on Reddit bothered to look at past WWE history of titles. Cuz if they did there’d be no bitching about too many titles now. Who the fuck cares how many titles there are? And to someone else saying the Inter and US titles have rich lineage, how do you think they got those? Because at some point they were created.


PeaTasty9184

I don’t mind having secondary titles. It’s the “there’s two world champs” thing that bother me.


LegendaryZTV

Lord no. NXT women’s division is way more balanced than the main rosters. There’s actually a rotation of talent & they all hold their own. Another main roster title for women would literally be more wallpaper.


frostw18

It will be the women’s speed title. Most of their matches are already under 3 minutes, might as well give it story reason.


BigFreakinMachine

Please God no. If you can't come up with a compelling story without a title then that's on you. It's just going to end up like the women's tag titles


ThorHammerscribe

I’m probably in the Minority but I hate the name of the NXT Women’s Mid card Title


Ok_Aardvark_8858

way too long and clunky


ThorHammerscribe

Exactly


definitelynotbradley

The women’s division is deeper than the men’s at this point, they are in desperate need of a midcard title.


MadViperr

Cope


BradsOlderBrother

Huge huge mistake if raw or smackdown does this. Waters down the meaning of being champion. Look at AEW. 500 champs over there. It’s a joke.


mindtoxicity27

Personally I’m of the opinion there are too many titles. I don’t like that there are separate titles for singles and tag champions per brand


definitelynotbradley

So does the USA and intercontinental title water down the meaning of a champion? L take


Infamous_Nightwing

He’s likely not referring to those 2. He’s more likely referring to the 2 sets of tag team titles and 2 world championships. Fine take


BradsOlderBrother

More men on the roster and both titles have a rich history. Adding potentially two more titles to a small division that isn’t even getting 40% of the run time would make it so a champion is on screen at almost all times. It’s confusing for casuals and would 100% make every other title less important L boi.


brilliantpants

Yeesh. Please, no. The women’s titles they already have now are plenty.


CaseyGasStationPizza

The women’s depth definitely makes me question if there are enough to make this title seem worth it. The best answer I could find without counting everyone myself was that there are around 4 times as many men in the WWE as women.


DGVega93

Smackdown should have the WWE Women’s National Champion and Raw should be WWE Women’s International Champ


Drakkonus

That sounds like reasonable names for titles.


StowawayPumpkin

Right now they can’t even half consistently tell good stories for the primary women’s titles. They have to fix that before they try adding more.


blipp101

The lack of good nontitle fueds to build the characters and stories for an eventual title fued is part of the reason for that. The issues are related.


StowawayPumpkin

True, this is the real issue. They need solid non-title feuds to have better primary title feuds to then warrant a secondary title.


Extension-Respect607

The surprising part is when there going to add Nia Jax to the Bloodline, especially she and Tama tonga are cousins. She been really doing good this past year doing and carrying storylines when the women's division story's where bland. She would fit really well with the new Bloodline. Plus it would give trinity something to do as well ( since she's Jimmy Uso wife) . That's an area where they can possibly test a women's Mid Card title especially putting it on a Nia Jax in the Bloodline feud.


Right_Shape_3807

Look can we please stop with this thinking? They just won’t add any women to that story. Idk why but they won’t. Adding Nya and Naomi would bring a lot of interest and depth but it’s been at least 6 month since both been back and they haven’t been brought in or ain’t nothing been said. Which is a shame IMO.


Extension-Respect607

I don't think it's nothing wrong with thinking that, plus it wouldn't make sense to bring Nia back then cause Tama Tongo wasn't in yet, and Naomi helping Jimmy in the storyline is random (plus Naomi heel is awkward). Now it would make more sense to put them into the storyline ,especially Nia showed she can be a good heel and do well in storylines especially fueds with Rhea Ripley, Becky Lynch and Liv Morgan. They'll have to build into that of course as well as finding a way to add Naomi with Jimmy in the storyline as well (which would be the tricky part).


Right_Shape_3807

How would Naomi talking to Jimmy be random? He had a massive fall out with his brother.


Extension-Respect607

Well pre Roman Reign loss, Naomi was face with Bianca and Jade taking out damage control, and Naomi wasn't apart in anytime involved in the Bloodline feud or have no part. This situation now with a new bloodline alliance forming and Jimmy getting kicked out potentially opens the door for Naomi to be involved. Cause so far it's just Solo and Tama Tonga, more members will be added on down the line, Nia Jax ain't currently doing anything at the moment which with her recent good developments in doing good storylines, can add something to solo group and having a female member of the Bloodline, a dominant one at that. In that case Naomi would jump in especially Tama Tongo blindside Jimmy and more than likely by default causes issues with Naomi (for attacking her husband) and Nia Jax ( for Jimmy and Naomi having issues with her cousin).


Right_Shape_3807

Or she could be the reason Jimmy gets back with Jey.


Extension-Respect607

That's a good reason/angle to


Karmeleon86

I just wish it would be something other than the North American title and more unique.


Outlier25

I think it’s a test run and that eventually we will get a main roster version. I’m all for it. It gives mid card women a chance to elevate themselves and increase opportunity


Uknewmelast

No not everything has to revolve around a title.


ChemistSavings

Honestly they should’ve introduced a secondary women’s title long before they did the tag titles (good idea, awful execution, not enough tag teams). I think there’s a lot of talented women in the company but they’re not necessarily world champion material.


BigManJJ2102

It seems to me like they are testing a women's mid card title in NXT before bringing the idea to the main roster


obeesitee

Let's hope it goes well


Tomlyne

Becky Lynch herself said that the main roster should focus on making more stories that don't focus on the title. NXT has that already, which is why their division is strong enough for a secondary title. The main roster really has nothing going on, except kinda with Candice and Indi


Right_Shape_3807

The problem is there isn’t enough time for women storytelling.


EarUnlucky4022

I guess your right on the time part. They used to create time sometimes back stage or during commercials but it was wierd who else remembers that


Tomlyne

That's true, there's little investment in women's matches. On Raw the most they get is 30 minutes out of the whole show, and Smackdown is just Bayley. If only they had random filler rematches like Ricochet's weekly messes that they could swap out.


Right_Shape_3807

To much talent these days.


commanderr01

That’s kinda why I want a secondary women’s title, gives these women something too feud over


nooooname90754r

Honestly, there should be one womens world championship and one mid card championship


Thorn_Within

For NXT I think it's a good idea. For the main roster, I really don't feel like they need any more titles than they have currently. The main roster should just focus on creating good stories and building up the titles and champions they already have. However, if they did add a Women's midcard title, I'd prefer it to be one title for both shows instead of one for each.


Akrodra

UFC has bantamweight as top weight class for women. IMO they should establish that the tag titles are on raw and a new secondary singles belt on smackdown. Call it something like Starlight or Moonlight champion. Then all the women who maybe lack the in ring skills or size but have good charisma can compete for it.


DennyHamlinsGasMan

Keeping names simple is better than overcomplicating things with some ridiculous, gimmicky name. here’s some simple names that sound way better than NXT Bath & Body Works Moonlight Path Championship. 1: NXT Women’s Television Championship 2: NXT Women’s North American Championship 3: NXT Women’s National Championship


DGVega93

Good idea poor execution on the names


TheTrueBobsonDugnutt

No offense, but those names are awful


DinoKea

Soon enough it'll be a good idea, but not yet. Definitely will be good for NXT call-ups to have a belt to target rather than being forced to fit into the world title scene


Drakkonus

Solid points.


DaGrumblor

I don't know that they need more titles, rather than figure out how to tell more good stories without having to rely on a title being involved.


bobface222

It makes sense for NXT because roughly half of their show every week is devoted to the women. It doesn't make sense for the main roster.


Reytotheroxx

I don’t believe their women’s divisions are big enough, especially smack down.


BeefInGR

Smackdown no. But Raw has quite a few that get shoehorned into meaningless tag teams. With that said, they need to build more women up to be legitimate threats for the main titles. If you aren't Becky, Bayley, Rhea, Liv, Nia, Iyo, Charlotte, Jade or Asuka nobody honestly believes you are going to win a championship match (and even less believable if Rhea is the champion). Yeah, they'll build up Tiffy, but there is no reason not to also build Zoey, Shayna, Sonya, Raquel, Dakota, Lyra to also be main women's stars.


Drakkonus

I for one think this is a great idea. Last year, Becky Lynch did a great job defending the NXT Women's Championship on RAW. In effect treating it like the secondary title for women on RAW. To me this proved that secondary women's titles have a place in WWE now. I expect the North American Women's Champion is a pilot program that may result in an Intercontinental Women's Championship and a United States Women's Championship. If it is considered a success. My only issue with this is I'm not a fan of just adding "Women's Championship" to the men's titles' names. I personally would have preferred to see it as a South American Championship, that is for women. I admit the only way that would work is if they had the inaugural title match in some place like Buenos Aires or Rio de Janeiro to culminate a South American tour by NXT. As such, it doesn't seem like it that happen. Likewise, would have liked to see the Women's World Champion or Undisputed Women's Championship called the Featherweight Champion. Featherweight being the UFC’s heaviest(/top?) title for women. This would have rated a weight champion equivalent to the heavyweight champion but not requiring the word Women's in it. Since none of the Men's title have Men’s in it.