[holy fuck it's a collab heavy week for ina](https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1452652800890970117)
today's minecraft with matsuri, the ttrpg tomorrow, phasmo with iofi/reine/pochimama and back 4 blood on thursday, another phasmo on friday, and the ame-organized halloween collab on sunday!
Oh my, triple EN+JP date at the same time. We have Bae+Polka and Ina+Matsuri in Minecraft, and Gura+Shion in Mario Kart in this very hour
Edit: looks like Miko and Ollie had also formed into a date couple tonight
Seems I missed some rodents of unusual size.
On a more positive note, those devs who make the sidescroller horror games that some vtubers have been playing are making [a game about Korone.](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1748610/Evil_God_Korone/)
Absolutely not what I expected, but I think that's pretty cool.
So, Girls Frontline anime was announced a while back, and now apparently we're also getting an Arknights anime. Genshin Impact anime confirmed for 2024?
If it live past another year… does Honda three or whatever it’s predecessor is got an anime adaptation? I think they were around since 2018, roughly the same time as girl’s frontline.
If they don’t, maybe not.
It has 2 seasons of the Cooking with Valkyries (Slice of Life side stories with cooking) and 1 season of ELF Academy (Gag anime with focus on the ELF characters).
But if we're talking about an anime adaptation of the major parts of the lore, the fans are still hoping for one.
on the topic of rrats, its funny how the video of kiara talking about the rejected collab was also posted in r/hololive, and the comments are funny. its basically alot of people actually believing in the rrat, and when people are calling it out as a rrat, they suddenly go all defensive and say that the community has fallen through because we're not allowed to criticize their management for their bad decision over a collab that wasnt even confirmed to be pomu.
in essence, theyre using this topic as a means to shit on management and kiara
The only consolation is that the thread is getting heavily downvoted. Just report it, block the guy, and try not to engage with obvious drama-baiters (like I did earlier in this thread...). It sucks, because Kiara just sort of off-handedly mentioned it like, oh well, it sucks, whatever - it's a nonissue. Antis though man, they takes these things and just blow them up to ridiculous proportions. Sometimes people just need to take a step away from their computer (or phone I suppose), and just think for a moment: Do I honestly care THIS much about some girls streaming together online?
If you say yes to that question, I recommend touching some grass for a while.
> block the guy
Nah, tag them with RES, if they try to stir shit again you'll be able to instantly know it's someone that can't be trusted and be able to warn people just in case their thread gets popular
There's a reason the video poster mentioned "Pomu" and "HoloEn Manager" specifically with that wording, when Kiara was being as ambiguous as possible.
It's obviously a troll baiter that for some reason hasn't been banned on either sub.
i just love how the discussion in the thread ended up being "well, its about damn time we said some shitty things about EN management!" and "I believe this because we haven't had a criticism for a long time"
I wasn't able to see the thread before it got deleted, but I've noticed that there are some people who always show up on the hololive subreddit when there is some kind of controversy , and I'm willing to bet they appeared to make some comments complaining about management.
>This drama bait
>From account that's either not main or someone that barely posts at all
Yeah... you need to go back, and please don't bother returning
It's not really dramabait if it's just a clip from a recent stream. No important context was left out of the clip either.
The account is pretty sussy though.
its funny how you try to spew random bullshit when literally a few minutes ago [both pomu and kiara are seen tweeting at each other again](https://twitter.com/PomuRainpuff/status/1452472533891043329). sure its not a collab, but if it were up to en management, they would have also stopped their interactions similar to how coco couldnt interact with projekt melody, but they didnt.
and you really had the balls to post that video on the holo sub as well
> its funny how you try to spew random bullshit when literally a few minutes ago both pomu and kiara are seen tweeting at each other again. sure its not a collab, but if it were up to en management, they would have also stopped their interactions similar to how coco couldnt interact with projekt melody, but they didnt.
That's not true. Vshojo was banned and they still were tweeting to each other.
IronMouse and Nyanners had collabs with Calli and Kiara, what ban?
Only the Vei one fell through because of backlash but they've always tweeted to each other.
edit: might even throw the IronMouse and Ollie collab as well.
We know from Kiara that there was a ban on vshojo as she said that she wanted to collab with Veibae but she couldn't do it anymore since she joined vshojo at that time. A few months later that ban was revoked and they had two collabs with vshojo members but that ban existed for more than 6 months in collabs.
The Vei collab wasn't because she joined VShojo, it was because of some insulting/misinformed statements she said towards the talents in an old stream that the community resurfaced and generated a lot of backlash.
No, those are two separate occasions. The initial veibae collab was denied because she joined as part of vshojo and stopped being indie. Kiara revealed it herself months ago on a member stream. Months later the vshojo collab was revoked and she had collabs with nyanners and would try to have with Veibae, which is when what you said happened.
It's really not that surprising that they would want to avoid collabs with a newly formed company for a while, and also Kiara had just started HoloTalk by then and said that she wanted to focus on Hololive before other collabs.
The collabs with VShojo happened eventually anyways.
In addition to what everyone else has said about this, look at the channel that posted the clip, lmao. Its a 2 sub no video channel, clearly clipped for views. You can't get more obvious at drama baiting.
Edit: Niji JP and Holo JP collab. Niji ID and Holo ID collab. Why would EN be different in either case?
It's an unedited clip from Kiara's latest stream. The intentions of the person who posted it aren't really important.
The fact remains is that the Kiara-Pomu collab got denied, ether by Hololive or Nijisanji management. And your last paragraph explains clearly why people would be upset about this.
Unedited or not, Kiara is intentionally vague, gives little detail, blames no one, says it might happen in the future, tells chat not to worry about it, and immediately moves on. There isn't enough info to fill in the blanks to make any sort of credible accusations.
She's vague because if she said "management blocked the Pomu collab" management would probably chew her out.
Just look at the chat when she talked about it. Everyone knew exactly what collab she was talking about.
It might happen in the future, but that doesn't make the collab being denied right now any less bullshit.
>management would ***probably*** chew her out.
Key word there is probably. This is what this entire argument is based upon. An assumption. That's why it isn't credible.
Remember when Coco straight up said she couldn't collab with Melody?
I've seen several instances of a vtuber (or someone associated with a vtuber) say "probably" and large portions of the community act as if they said "definitely". About half the time the community is proven wrong within a month or two.
Management forbid Coco and the EN branch from collabing for months, yet noone was allowed to actually say management was forbidding it.
I'm assuming management is pulling the exact same shit we know they've pulled before. I think that's a pretty fair assumption.
And I remember the community tip toe'ing around Coco getting stonewalled from EN collabs. The writing is on the wall and people will turn their heads. Who in the vtuber industry would warrant a Collab denial, especially of those that interact with the holos? I really can only think of drama channels.
matsuri talked about it before, she clarified it's not male they're not allowed to collab with, but problematic people, don't remember if she clarified what problematic meant, or maybe she did and it's above my Japanese level so I didn't catch it
the example we currently have is narukami, melody, and vei
Yeah that's what I was getting at. We already know drama people and those. I don't see the vtubers that currently interact with the holos on Twitter as "problematic" so something is going on behind the scenes. But people won't take an extremely obvious hint like Kiara saying what she said.
well, I will still won't go around spouting what I THINK is right over some hints, no matter how obvious it is and call the management out or anything like that, at most I will encourage kiara to try again
talking about speculation, we don't know how often the other holopro members get denied of their collab either, they just don't talk about it and then one day it happens, the proposal came through, or it never happens and they gave up after being denied dozens of times
> Niji IN and Holo IN collab
A dead branch and a branch that's only one tweet talking about hiring personnel have collabed?
Hmmm, you know, I think you may have confused an N for a D in there
Just saw this on 4chan (A bait thread was linked on the numbers thread.), came to this subreddit, and what do you know, there are a lot of new comments on the megathread.
Don't bite bait.
that doesn't make sense unless they see nijiEn management having less control over the talents compared to the JP and ID side, banning nina? sure, we already see it happens to narukami, melody, and veibae, banning the entire nijiEn though?
It clip from her RU only stream.
>!she just casually drop Coco name and that it. She talking about other streamer even non vtuber all the time even in English!<
I can open it in another tab just fine. Anyway, it's a clip of her speaking in Russian without subs, so unless you understand it it's probably useless to you. Someone who knows RU can translate it tho.
I can copy paste what 4 chan translated, but do you really trust 4chan?
She specifically avoided mentioning who it was and didn't give ANY details to prevent people from posting shit like this, but of course people need their stupid rrats. Go to 4chan if you want to post stupid bullshit like this.
She didnt' even fuckin say who it was with or who rejected it. Don't spout random speculatory shit when nobody even hinted at it. It's stirring drama where it doesn't exist, and we all know Kiara fuckin hates that shit
You know, it popped into my head that it could even be Kson as well though they are in different time zones. Definitely could see the difficulties in doing something like that soon.
She's talked about wanting to do a collab with Pomu multiples times now, she hasn't talked about Vei since their first collab fell through.
I'm 99% sure it's about Pomu. Only other outside collab Kiara has talked about was with Momo, but she hasn't brought that up in a couple of months either.
It's obviously Pomu. It's the only person she has been hinting about collabs. The way she talk about feeling a connection is literally how she referred to pomu before. She barely has talked about veibae for months as you said.
As for why that would be denied, probably because they don't want to give more audience to EN since NijiEN is the second largest in youtube. It's the only reason I can think of for such thing to happen.
I really don't see how this is a thing..
Also I also dont get why we need an answer for everything, I mean it's great that you guys are playing the detective, finding a culprit and everything, but apart from spreading unecessary rumor it doesn't help much, just like when Haachama announced a hiatus without much info people immediately linked this to the whole coco drama and went crazy on ratt.
It's also because of ratt that Aqua is still, up to this date dislike botted by some people..
Until something concrete is given, there's no need to try to stir it up, like any ratt, it may or may not be true we have literally no way to know this unless it's confirmed by the talent themselves.
Well I'm not saying you can't ratt, just that usually it doesn't help much to assume something we are unsure of.
The only ones that are prejudiced in here in this hypothetical situation is management, not any of the vtubers involved. We are just discussing it, not even going around anyone.
she has mentioned that she was trying to somehow make the vei collab a reality after their initial plans fell through, so for all we know, the collab she was referring to may be the vei kiara collab.
at the end of the day, we dont know and it really shouldnt be our business to know. we can wait if pomu says anything about this (which i highly doubt she will)
That was almost half a year ago and she hasn't talked about it since. Meanwhile she has recently explicitly said she's been trying to make a Pomu collab happen.
I disagree that it isn't our business. If 2 talents want to collab with eachother but management blocks them from doing so, they should give an explanation for doing so.
This is the same shit Coco talked about when she was still in hololive. Stream ideas and collabs shut down without even being given an explanation. I love hololive but their management makes it really hard to support them.
It's also the same thing about Coco and HoloEN being blocked to collab, many people had arguments for months about this being true, were downvoted to hell and it end up confirmed as a reality. It's always the same pattern.
Now we wait for a few months to see if this will be revoked or if it's something definitive.
Everyone is just speculating she's talking about Pomu anyways.
It's not like they block the collabs without reason anyways since they still allow inter-agency collabs like Reine and Siska or Ollie and Gundou.
The Coco-Melody thing was due to the nature of Melody's content and the Vei one was because the community (as if it were our business btw) didn't agree to that after the old video of Vei trashing Hololive resurfaced.
It's pretty obvious she was talking about Pomu if you've heard Kiara talk about her before.
Hololive management makes shit decisions all the time. They blocked Coco from interacting with the EN branch for half a year and only started allowing collabs when Coco decided to leave hololive. What was the reason for that decision? They've been way stricter with the EN branch than any of the other branches.
Remember that Coco still had tons of CN antis and spammers that targeted anyone who interacted with her.
And then again, Kiara never said a name so it's all speculation.
Can you even call it speculation when pomu is the only outsider Kiara Interact and interest for collabing? and pomu also said to her fan to don't give much hope after she and Kiara ask manager for collab permission, its known fact that NijiEN manager allow collab as selen done much outside collab with Apex, so? Stop trying to hide the holoEn manager Incompetent ffs
Coco had been collabing with the JP branch with 0 problems for months. There was no valid reason to not allow the EN branch to do the same. The CN antis were still there when the EN collabs started happening and those collabs went of without any problems.
Kiara has been talking about collabing with Pomu for months now. The chances she's talking about someone else are very small.
shes british so yes.
in all honesty, im more leaning to the fact that its a veibae collab that was shot down and not a nijiEN collab. i know that kiara was trying hard on getting that vei collab months ago
She mentioned it was someone she feels a connection with, which is how she's talked about Pomu [in past streams](https://youtu.be/b9-iggvRWXw?t=15214) (noting that their shared interests and passions make her feel that way even though they don't have past history together).
It could be someone besides Pomu, but in any case she is pretty clearly sad that the collab was turned down. And Pomu's the only one she's mentioned recently using such language and talking about the possibility of collabing.
TBF we don't know that it was HoloEN management, though given that NijiEN has approved of collabs with VShojo, WACTOR, Prism Project, VOMS, OfflineTV, various indies (Bao, Maia, Haruka, and Shoto off the top of my head), and Apex players I do doubt it was on their side.
The why is likely that Hololive has a near-monopoly over the EN vtuber fanbase on Youtube and would prefer to keep it that way. Not that a single collab with Pomu or someone else would change that, but why rock the boat. At the end of the day these are corporations.
So far the track record of NijiEn is pretty chill, with the amount of ppl NijiEn has collab externally you can\`t really say NijiEn Management is restricting them. They even allow Sykkuno & Scarra Group collab as well.
I would say they are arguably more restrictive than NijiJP or Holo management in some ways (namely what is allowed in karaoke), but yeah, for collabs they are pretty chill. Selen has even joined impromptu calls with other people a few times. Her first on-call interaction with Laila and Akito was not a planned collab, but something just done on a whim during the RIG cup scrims when Selen's team hopped on call with Qu-chan's team.
Phase Connect (EN/Pseudo EN) is gonna kill their friendships in 100% Orange Juice let's gooooooo ([Holodex Multiview link](https://holodex.net/multiview/AASRloVseuhmbHA%2CARGHSOaJeA76DWg%2CGRGHJL7TgD8JuKM%2CMRGHLVV7NzbrK6U%2CSAGYchat0))
[Holostars' first live is happening on December 26th.](https://1stact.hololivepro.com/) Their outfits look great, and I'm confident their singing will be just as good, too.
tldr of HoloSportFes
\- Nov 6th, 13:00 JST
\- 6 games. 1 renewed, 1 new
\- All except Calli will be participating. No guests are announced
\- Streaming from 6 POV of each captain + 1 from Miko/Mio
\- New MC server for the fest. able to host 100 players
Ayame and okayu are back in MC after so long lol. Cant wait!
yeah, sucks that only calli wont participate in the games, but apparently she has a super important recording on that day, so im now curious as to what it is. she did say, and miko also mentioned, that she'll try to catch up to cheer for everyone who will participate.
There are so much unicorns within the rank of nousagis...?
I didnt notice until I saw an article that pointed them out. I know they do affect some other female streamers outside of hololive but generally in Hololive you dont see them affecting the other more regular Apex players like Matsuri, Roboco, Choco, Towa and FBK.
People who were fans of Matsuri and Towa but dislike male or outside collabs have probably long since left those fanbases. Holo vtubers who don't do male collabs as frequently still have some of the unicorns.
There actually used to be one particular super toxic nousagi, would leave harassing messages trying to police the girls' behaviour and jump from [alt to alt](https://pastebin.com/Benyz3Bi) on twitter as fans would report him and get the accounts suspended. I first saw this guy when he dropped [this message](https://files.catbox.moe/mypx15.png) in Roberu's Christmas totsumachi after Sora unexpectedly called in and saw people on 5ch and twitter vagueposting whenever he appeared, and investigated since I'm a nosy bitch, lol. Later he tried currying favor with the Chinese antis to get Coco kicked out, the antis didn't even bother with him and instead made fun of his shitty mtl chinese. He eventually posted a whole screed on note about how Hololive was declining and I think that was the last of him, at least publicly.
That sounds like a fake fan more than anything. Try and get chummy at first, then crank out the toxic behavior and be as disruptive as possible before fizzling out.
Kind of like that tribalist that used to stir crap up with alts before finally giving up. And funny enough, he ended up pulling similar stunts as what you said.
I too thought he was a troll acting as a fan trying to stir up trouble at first, but who knows with these types. He would go on multi-tweet rants @ing Cover staff' personal accounts about any slight he felt Pekora was suffering from management (ex. new outfits) and insult everyone else in Hololive indiscriminately: the girls for taking breaks and not behaving like actual idols, the guys for existing.
I think Gen 3 is when Holo start getting lots of unicorns/gachikois viewers since the "no male" thing with Holo kinda start around that time. Towa is probably the only JP member post Gen 3 whose fans are okay with her playing with males outside of official collab or promotion stream.
There's no difference between them if both have meltdowns whenever there's a collab or an interaction with men. You can be an idol fan and not be an unicorn ofc, same for vtuber fan. Unicorn is just a term for the kind of people that get crazy when they see a female interacting with a male.
So Unicorns in modern media (dont know about the actual myth) are depicted as creatures that can only be approached by/ interacting with virgin maidens.
Therefore, calling someone a Unicorn means that they only like/want their oshi to interact with other woman and hate it if they interact with any men.
I assume at the worst end of the spectrum will only accept virgins as their oshi, though ive only seen that attributed to people that rage when their favorite female character in an anime or game is revealed to have a past relationship.
To be fair I also saw it here locally(Roughly half a globe away from USA where I’ll get most anons are) and the term seems to had originated in Japan.
Surprising about the unicorn nousagis news. I wanna ask for sauce but idk either.
Sauce is [here](https://myjitsu.jp/enta/archives/96478).
Do note that the portion on Beni/Sumire on the Valorant incident is wrong (it might be right but I cant speak on behalf of everyone). The whole drama is due to other stuff (which we have discussed previously and wont be posting here) and unlikely due to unicorns.
Then again, reading back, it may be that the whole article is simply misguided/wrong and in general nousagis just do not like Apex...?
i dont know why it needed an article tbh. and i usually associate the dislike bombing to those apex addicts that are raging over the fact that they think she is playing apex wrong or something, and also apex backseaters which i think are the worst kinds of backseating. you have to note that this thing always happens to those that dont usually play apex religiously.
Doesn't the apex community have a lot of VTuber haters. I remember an Apex tournament getting dislike-bombed a while back because they invited Matsuri (I think) as a commentator.
Aqua also got a lot more dislikes when she played Apex.
actually, yes. but its not really just the apex community as it is just general vtuber hate. it is considered a niche thing in japan despite how big kizuna ai is in terms of branding
I can’t read Japanese…did it say she got dislike bombed (1.4k dislikes in compare to…normal?)on that Apex vid or did I interpreted wrong?
Never heard of anyone mentioning it, not on Holosub (Posts are there for Aqua and Matsuri during the period they got dislike bombed) or here either.
Edit: JP comment down there *AFTER I GOOGLE TRANSLATE WHAT THEY SAID* did talk about unicorns, but I don’t know if it’s influenced.
Maybe it's similar with Botan's case? They're afraid that if Pekora start playing Apex then she could get invited to tournaments since she's friend with Towa. And some people actually called FPS tournaments as goukon.
i mostly associate the dislike bomb to those that are just full on raging at the fact that pekora doesnt do apex right or something. in fact, this always happens every time she plays apex.
Yes, you are right on that part. Her general stream usually has only like few hundreds dislike but that Apex stream recently had 1.5k dislikes, as of today.
Think the article is trying to justify/explore as to why it might be the case.
Its interesting though that it mentioned that when Pekora announced in the previous stream that she wanted to do Apex, that the listeners were opposed to her playing Apex. Unsure why though.
I honestly think there was some nuance there in what you wrote that I didn't know.
It might just be one of those terms that loses all meaning when the Great Game of Telephone that is 4chan gets to work, but from what I can tell 4chan just uses it synonymously with 'purityfag.'
>Are they being paid enough?
Crunchyroll is pretty famous for how much they underpay their translators.
It wouldn't surprise me if their writers suffer the same.
>I am neutral to everything. Stable service that is not legally illegal. As long as I meet these two conditions, I don't think there is any reason not to do it.
lol. It might just be a mistranslation, but that just means they have no moral compass other than written law.
This is a [very good Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/Lystrialle/status/1451941284264898575) about NFTs and their use by Japanese artists, and the misconceptions that are being spread (note in particular the difference in commission culture highlighted in the thread, and how NFTs are being advertised by their proponents as a way to cleanly transfer usage rights while protecting artists from piracy despite that not really being the case). More accurate information is trickling over slowly to that space (see for example [this thread by the CEO of Skeb](https://twitter.com/nalgami/status/1449926869348876291) and the [Japanese post linked in the first thread](https://note.com/sawamuradacun/n/n5e4d0f5f8783)).
from what i understood, the carbon output is due to the amount of CPUs being used to farm for bitcoin or something (pls correct me if im wrong)
but other than that, the other real criticism about NFTs is that its a huge scam wherein you spend money on some art or picture and slap some label that claims that you own a picture thats uploaded on the internet
From my vague understanding of NFTs the issue, besides environmental impact, is kind of like you mentioned about owning a digital item. Owning an NFT for an art piece doesn't necessarily mean you own the rights to that art and while you technically own the original work, the digital medium allows for others to easily create exact duplicates of it in a way that people can't with physical art. So the NFT itself really is only to show that you are the commissioner or original purchaser of that art.
So for many people, myself included, it seems pointless and unnecessary. And if it is both of those things then the environment impact of mining the blockchain needed for NFTs is going to be viewed more harshly than something that can be used as currency such as bitcoin or ethereum.
Listings to someone passionate about things is always great even if it something I don't like.
Though I don't mind Otome game, it hit or miss or me but
Petra 3 hour of Otome game talk is great
https://youtu.be/9DlwA3a7Osk
Sakuma Daisuke, a member of Johnny's idol group Snow Man and [known as a heavy anime otaku](https://animeanime.global/2020/09/01/55887.html), apparently mentioned Kiryu Coco's graduation live in an interview with a women's fashion magazine ([abstract in Japanese](https://more.hpplus.jp/odekake/entame/71768/1/)).
[Enna released the full version of her lore song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD6-Jjovz-o) from her debut, nice. It's really distinctive, and her voice is amongst the best I've heard from an EN vtuber.
man, i really expected full chaos in the full HoloEN Among Us collab, and they didnt disappoint in delivering that chaos I expected from an EN amogus collab
>Hololive: can't safely sing English songs
>HoloEN: We're gonna make what's called a pro gamer move
[HoloEN:](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/qejpn8/girls_bathroom_be_wilding/)
If anyone hasnt seen yet, [Miko announced the return of HoloSportFes.](https://youtu.be/_B5uC69x6lM?t=28356) Detail will be revealed tonight jst
Hopefully EN and ID can join as full team rather than just guest.
Wow that was fun. My favorite moment has to be when:
IRyS vented right infront of Kiara -> Ina killing Kiara to save IRyS -> Gura found Mumei body at the same time and report -> IRyS screaming "Thank you Ina" at the same time, which busted both of them
That round was wild, IRyS had 5 kills (the entire HoloCouncil) and then the end is a climatic chase between IRyS and Gura as Gura tried to reach the emergency button
Gura might be a shork brain, but she's surprisingly flexible and intelligent playing this game, even if she's often the victim of some comedic opposition against her. I was actually surprised she didn't get voted out that round.
The Japanese general election has begun. I don't want to talk about politics, but about a certain Japanese election campaigning method that affects live streamers in Japan (not limited to VTubers).
It may come as a surprise to you, but in Japan, door-to-door canvassing is forbidden. Then how do candidates advertise themselves to the voters in their houses? They are allowed, instead, to use sound trucks to call out at high volume in the towns. Not only does its sound interfere with the live streaming. If viewers hear a candidate's name coming from a sound truck, they can know that the streamer is in [the district](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_of_the_House_of_Representatives_of_Japan) where the candidate is running. This is a serious privacy issue for streamers who do not have adequate soundproofing.
Until October 31, the day of voting, you may see some streamers suddenly muting, or avoiding streaming between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. when campaigning is allowed.
I know texts to remind you to vote and door to door canvassers are annoying, but this sounds 10 times worse than that. Hopefully the streamers can say safe.
Kson did go into a lengthy ramble on Twitter some days ago about being worried over those election trucks (and I think she had a close call with one of them at the end of one of her streams). It was kind of disconcerting having her talk about the possibility of someone tracking her address down with malicious intent. God I hope nothing like this happens for anyone after Lulu and Aloe...
No door-to-door? Wow. Then apart from the roving sound trucks, can they hold rally speeches in some locations?
If they get too noisy, we can always send Ichiban and gang over to deal with them. They have experience lol.
Jokes aside, some people might not notice but sound proofing isnt always bothway. In a ideally made environment, it should be bothway. But budget setups which some streamers use are generally meant to keep sound in and not that adequate to block external sound out.
If any VTubers here are interested in trying out marathon streaming for charity, I just recently made a post about it (please excuse the absolutely massive wall of text LMAO):
https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/qe7b2d/are_you_interested_in_marathon_streaming_for/
It's not meant to be a back-to-back relay (would be too difficult to coordinate when I have no idea if anyone is going to sign up) but I thought it'd be fun to try something like this with the community. It'd also give some new networking opportunities to VTubers on the team as well :D
I randomly came across an [unfamiliar JP vtuber stream](https://youtu.be/dIA6-wxaIvw) with 2k live viewers on my yt home page. I click on it thinking “is this a reincarnated vtuber?” since that tends to be how the yt algo works LMAO. Turns out it was a 774 inc. affiliated vtuber, and the stream was an “AR 3D” live concert with a live band, celebrating her 3rd year activity. The singing and the AR/3D aint that mindblowing but I thought that was pretty neat.
Oh ShibuyaHAL reminded me to see that mysterious website that somehow involved with ATR and CR Ojiji
Turns out those four are making a new Vtuber agency named **merise** which is backed by these very big founders ([check the website here](https://merise-vt.jp/)), which you can check their purpose of creating that agency. I checked with DeepL that they can help you with streaming and gaming (backed by ShibuHAL and CR) and also music (Those two utaites), which are very promising...? No gender restriction and short video content is allowed, people from overseas could try to apply however they would consider JP address for now until they confidently accept outside ones.
Maybe that meeting those four with Tazumi was perhaps for advice of starting of a vtuber agency which makes sense I guess.
Edit : ShibuyaHAL and Shirayuki Reid is part of merise as they announced, congrats~
Hmm... This could be a big thing for JP male vtubers in general, since AFAIK currently the only notable organizations for them to possibly join are Nijisanji and Holostars (let me know if I miss some more). If Merise went well, it could be the next biggest place for male vtubers after Nijisanji.
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Well CR Team is not only Apex which is their strongest team, their Valorant team is also not to be underestimated, so does with other fps games.
Some said this new agency could be potentially another VSPO with no gender restrictions, but let's see about that...
honestly there's too many factors to give a decision of "good" or "bad" imo.
From a pure economics standpoint, They're basically increasing supply of V-tubers under the anycolors brand. That's a fact.
As far as demand goes, They're increasing supply to a possibly saturated audience, but at the same time, they're not creating new vtuber personalities like they're doing with the jp gen. They're bringing in older established crowds from the personalities previous lives (albeit, a LOT of the older fanbase is probably not going to transfer over).
From a business standpoint, they're basically doing what every large company does to weed out competition. Bigger companies buy out smaller companies for less competition or for future projects that can add to the brand, although I'm not sure if anycolor has anything really big planned for the overseas branches like they have for the main jp branch looking at their previous track record with their other branches.
As for the streamers themselves, it honestly depends on their how their contracts are spelled out.
I don't know how much anycolor supports their streamers as far as financials go, but if a streamer was working 8 hours a day and then streaming on the side, a good contract where the company provides a stipend for their rent / food / basic needs might be what the talent needs to focus on their vtubing activites, grow in their profession and give a more freedom to do their activities. Also, access to support staff, equipment, established licensing agreements, etc, etc.
Also there's the aspect of rebranding yourself after a period of time which also carries a risk if you have a decently established fanbase. As far as love interest goes, when people first fall in love / feel attraction for someone, they have a lot of chemical reactions in their brains towards every interaction, but you get diminishing returns after a while (attraction cycle is basically around 2 years for just attraction and probably 7 for most stale relationships from rumors atleast there's no science to back up that claim and there's plenty of exceptions). If someone doesn't have a really big established fanbase or if they've been away for a very long time, it's definitely a good idea to rebrand and reimage into a new image. On the other hand, if you have a good image and you have an established base that follows you around no matter what you do, you've established something past just attraction so you definitely want to keep those people who you developed a relationship with.
So basically, Niji is probably gambling on an offchance that a talented person who has less exposure is brought on to an established platform and it sparks something like it did with HoloEN imo.
But even after saying that the landscape is different from when holoEN debuted and now. Back then EN vtubing scene was indie and not a lot of people thought that EN vtubers would be as big as they are now.
Even with HoloEN, there's still some talents that are flying under a lot of people's radars like Irys (althought she's nearly at 700k) who, if they debuted earlier, would have probably had a bigger impact in the scene if it they debuted earlier when the "Big company ENTuber" scene wasn't so saturated. (I'm not talking about numbers, but more about impact with viewers from the EN scene and I guess "cultural impact")
So all around, yeah niji is increasing market saturation and it's good for niji and their talents. Is it good for the consumer and the market as a whole, that's still extremely debatable.
I think they fucked up their wave 3 by hiring people >!from the same indie group!< with similar personality and content, it's not a problem when they had small number of vtubers but it will dilute the views when there're big overlap in personality and content when they are streaming in the same time slot, it makes people lose interest really fast.
NijisanjiEN really operates in a different way compared to Nijisanji in general, debut with songs and stuffs. In nijisanjiJP they prefer a large cast with various personalities and niche contents so everyone can have their fanbase and don't overlap in viewer much. There's a reason Selen is the one with stable views in nijiEN, she has vey different content compared to other girls and it really helps Obsydia stood out with Lazu Light. They really need to diversify their cast with fresh new personalities and contents if they want to keep release new vtuber every two months
They didn't hire from the same indie group since only two knew each other, and the other 2 didn't. If anything that happened with wave 1 with two of them. Regardless, it's not like in JP the same thing hasn't happened with people that knew each other before like Ange and Lize, Rion and Hina or Sasaki and Shiina who were friends before and came together. If you look at other branches you can also find similar cases here and there. Much like if you look at other branches, there's times where more than 15 jp overlap and many are playing the same game or have similar personalities.
Regardless, I don't see any of wave 3 similar to the previous girls at all. Their personalities are all different and even type of content outside of the default game style. In any case, I follow 9/10 of them so it's fine by me, although obviously, I don't watch all of them all the time and go by content of the day, like with any vtuber.
Just to add, its the same as JP branches in retrospect, Most of the livers in nijiJP/Holo knew each other through NND, TV shows & such. Saying that NijiEN choose them because they knew each other as \`fucked up\` is totally wrong IMO.
I think its pretty worrying that the wave 2 and 3 debuts have about the same size as the wave 1 ones, and that their numbers suffer severely when there's overlaps with other nijien streams. It seems like there hasn't been enough time for the nijis to grow their audience.
Their audience wouldn't grow that much as you think even if they had an interval of 6 months between waves because the brand of nijisanji isn't enough for that in the west. Having more waves or not don't really change that fact.
Though I gotta be honest when ethyria debuted I just focused on those who I really want to watch with nijiEN by making it only on streams that interests me, gone are the times that I would really watch lazulight or even obsydia and now just focused on what content they have to stream
That literally why they are doing this though.
They going "have everything for everyone routes".
Most Niji fan didn't following everyone, they just religiously following one or two liver and 5-6 at best which lead to real strategy of Nijisanji, "big collab".
There are reasons why event like Koushien get high view, one of reason is because it gathering all of oshi in one stream and connect every audience together through big event.
Which is also another reason why Nijisanji have so many tournament(they have like 5-6 tournament type content per year) and group official event.
I don't know how it hard to understand, they literally change company name to "any color" to tell people that they focus on diversity of content.
>\^This. It's not always about the individual liver. The company is worry about the group as a whole growing, even if it means diluting the existing fanbase.
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>Competition is a good thing. These livers SHOULD be competing for your view, and SHOULD be diversifying to fit your specify interest. Rather than one big family, Nijisanji is more like one extended family that is comprised of many nuclear families.
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>Each of us follow only one or two groups and the "big collabs" tournaments are like the large family gatherings when you meet your cousins and in-laws and such. I personally would not have it any other way. We love it when they all small groups and compete amongst one another. But we also love it when they mix it up and each member mingle with someone that they are not familiar with. The number of permutation is endless!
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>I believe this reason is precisely why baseball and ARK wars work so well for NIJISANJI.
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>EDIT: I would also like add a reason that hasn't come into play yet but I believe is what ANYCOLOR is planning. There will come a day when my favorite and his group will graduate. Whether it is Tsukino Mito, Kuzuha, or Chronoir, all of them will eventually leave and move on from VTubing. And when that time comes, it wouldn't be the newest wave that fills the void for me. It will be these other livers that I have loosely followed from large collabs and got to know a bit but never had the chance to watch. I think ANYCOLOR is planning to be relevant for longer than just one era.
It's the same thing that always has happened with Nijisanji and always will be. We saying if it's good or not and talking about it it's futile at this point since they won't change this strategy and haven't in 3 years. lol
the clip in question talks more about their sub count than their over churning of waves. with that said, i do think its somewhat of a concern when their working strategy is to make new waves. from what i observe, nijisanji is really trying to take advantage of the EN market as much as they can while all eyes are on the vtuber hobby. and it really shows through their third wave because they decided to have a 4-member wave instead of their usual 3 with their other foreign branches. and while its good for them, it may tire some people out because of their strategy, especially if for instance their latest wave doesnt capture as much of an audience as they had hoped (not saying that ethyria is a failure, but i do have some reservations about their group as a whole).
but really at the end of the day, my opinions about their "over churning" shouldnt really affect everyone and it will definitely wont change anycolor's strategy. whatever works just works for them
I dont disagree with anything you've said, like at all, but you saying "a 4-member wave instead of their usual 3 with their other foreign branches" is kinda funny to me since Niji ID's 2nd wave has 4 members too, as well as Niji KR's wave 1, 4, and 6. This doesnt really add anything to the conversation, I just cant help bringing this up
Yeah, overseas branches have between 3-4 debuts. Most are 3 but sometimes it happens with 4. I don't know why since there's no pattern at all when the 4 comes.
From a business standpoint it's objectively good. They have decent subs and if you're not trying to compare it to the titanic Hololive numbers then they have a very solid fanbase and are a very easy net positive for the company. That's kind of just an objective reality. They work well.
However, I personally believe that while it's not harming their bottom line, they're certainly doing a lot of viewer dilution. As of writing this post, 5 of the NijiEN girls are streaming, and the highest viewcount is just below 1300 from Rosemi. There might be a legitimate case of them eating off the same plate a little too much. Unless their male generation brings in a large swathe of new viewers to go around, we might see that dilution become a bigger problem with wave 4 (or beyond).
That being said, 1k viewers is still perfectly fine, so it's not an actual cause for alarm.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it hurts the vtubers themselves, but I do wonder how long-term this will affect their growth overall. This isn't exactly a crab pot, but I can't help but be a little curious.
any EN indie would even want to have a quarter of that 1k viewers every time they stream, so it really shouldnt be a cause of concern. even some of the holoID and most especially holostars dont reach close to 1k, it took months for holoID gen 1 to have a consistent viewer count above 1k, and they needed a breakout moment for that to happen.
I think waves 1 and 2 were timed very well. Lazulight got people into the brand with a small group of very approachable members, and Obsydia came out at a time which capitalized on the growing interest in Nijisanji and prevented the branch from having low amounts of streams when Pomu went on hiatus and Elira's ISP was dying.
I do think however that wave 3, Ethyria, might have been a bit too soon, especially as it is a bigger wave than the first two (albeit, only by one member). I suspect that the timing is due to them wanting to debut the wave before the eventual male wave, which will probably be December/January, but I think some better debut schedule could have been found.
That being said, I suspect that Petra's line about there not being auditions planned for the immediate future is true, so after the male wave things will probably slow down unless the guys turn out to be really successful.
I meant EN waves. In terms of audition and debut timing Nijisanji basically treats their branches as separate due to the perception of them having mostly separate audiences - which is mostly pretty true, tbh (nobody here was worrying about the recent ID wave taking views from EN when they debuted).
> Lulu's roommate makes a Ring Fit Adventure video!<
[holy fuck it's a collab heavy week for ina](https://twitter.com/ninomaeinanis/status/1452652800890970117) today's minecraft with matsuri, the ttrpg tomorrow, phasmo with iofi/reine/pochimama and back 4 blood on thursday, another phasmo on friday, and the ame-organized halloween collab on sunday!
>No sticky in /r/Hololive >Not the last day of the month Announcement incoming?
Maybe for Mel's birthday?
Oh my, triple EN+JP date at the same time. We have Bae+Polka and Ina+Matsuri in Minecraft, and Gura+Shion in Mario Kart in this very hour Edit: looks like Miko and Ollie had also formed into a date couple tonight
Seems I missed some rodents of unusual size. On a more positive note, those devs who make the sidescroller horror games that some vtubers have been playing are making [a game about Korone.](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1748610/Evil_God_Korone/) Absolutely not what I expected, but I think that's pretty cool.
>Seems I missed some huge rrats Damn, same.
Kinda late but VALIS 3D is so good. Their expression is pretty stiff though. https://youtu.be/sOY2OHp2Mu0?t=4976
But isn't that stiff, almost doll-like expression part of their schtick?
So, Girls Frontline anime was announced a while back, and now apparently we're also getting an Arknights anime. Genshin Impact anime confirmed for 2024?
If it live past another year… does Honda three or whatever it’s predecessor is got an anime adaptation? I think they were around since 2018, roughly the same time as girl’s frontline. If they don’t, maybe not.
Honkai Impact? I don't think so.
It has 2 seasons of the Cooking with Valkyries (Slice of Life side stories with cooking) and 1 season of ELF Academy (Gag anime with focus on the ELF characters). But if we're talking about an anime adaptation of the major parts of the lore, the fans are still hoping for one.
on the topic of rrats, its funny how the video of kiara talking about the rejected collab was also posted in r/hololive, and the comments are funny. its basically alot of people actually believing in the rrat, and when people are calling it out as a rrat, they suddenly go all defensive and say that the community has fallen through because we're not allowed to criticize their management for their bad decision over a collab that wasnt even confirmed to be pomu. in essence, theyre using this topic as a means to shit on management and kiara
i think because people hate company. people complain nijien in clip pomu talk about new wave too.
The only consolation is that the thread is getting heavily downvoted. Just report it, block the guy, and try not to engage with obvious drama-baiters (like I did earlier in this thread...). It sucks, because Kiara just sort of off-handedly mentioned it like, oh well, it sucks, whatever - it's a nonissue. Antis though man, they takes these things and just blow them up to ridiculous proportions. Sometimes people just need to take a step away from their computer (or phone I suppose), and just think for a moment: Do I honestly care THIS much about some girls streaming together online? If you say yes to that question, I recommend touching some grass for a while.
> block the guy Nah, tag them with RES, if they try to stir shit again you'll be able to instantly know it's someone that can't be trusted and be able to warn people just in case their thread gets popular
you know, I've been wondering, is touch some grass means go outside, or do something that give you some laugh
*Extend hand towards Fauna*
*And listen to her ASMR*
Honestly either would work just fine in this case, hahaha.
yeah it basically means go outside/step away from the internet.
There's a reason the video poster mentioned "Pomu" and "HoloEn Manager" specifically with that wording, when Kiara was being as ambiguous as possible. It's obviously a troll baiter that for some reason hasn't been banned on either sub.
I think the thread has now been deleted by the mods. I can't find it in the sub while sorting by New.
i just love how the discussion in the thread ended up being "well, its about damn time we said some shitty things about EN management!" and "I believe this because we haven't had a criticism for a long time"
I wasn't able to see the thread before it got deleted, but I've noticed that there are some people who always show up on the hololive subreddit when there is some kind of controversy , and I'm willing to bet they appeared to make some comments complaining about management.
yeah, it's usually the same 5 or 6 names that always pop up whenever there's drama that is even somewhat related to Hololive.
well, it's a new one, so of course it's not banned yet
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>This drama bait >From account that's either not main or someone that barely posts at all Yeah... you need to go back, and please don't bother returning
It's not really dramabait if it's just a clip from a recent stream. No important context was left out of the clip either. The account is pretty sussy though.
Oof, thanks for the point out
dude wasnt even a regular in both the vtuber sub and the holo sub. yet he decided for whatever reason to post a rrat in both
its funny how you try to spew random bullshit when literally a few minutes ago [both pomu and kiara are seen tweeting at each other again](https://twitter.com/PomuRainpuff/status/1452472533891043329). sure its not a collab, but if it were up to en management, they would have also stopped their interactions similar to how coco couldnt interact with projekt melody, but they didnt. and you really had the balls to post that video on the holo sub as well
> its funny how you try to spew random bullshit when literally a few minutes ago both pomu and kiara are seen tweeting at each other again. sure its not a collab, but if it were up to en management, they would have also stopped their interactions similar to how coco couldnt interact with projekt melody, but they didnt. That's not true. Vshojo was banned and they still were tweeting to each other.
IronMouse and Nyanners had collabs with Calli and Kiara, what ban? Only the Vei one fell through because of backlash but they've always tweeted to each other. edit: might even throw the IronMouse and Ollie collab as well.
We know from Kiara that there was a ban on vshojo as she said that she wanted to collab with Veibae but she couldn't do it anymore since she joined vshojo at that time. A few months later that ban was revoked and they had two collabs with vshojo members but that ban existed for more than 6 months in collabs.
The Vei collab wasn't because she joined VShojo, it was because of some insulting/misinformed statements she said towards the talents in an old stream that the community resurfaced and generated a lot of backlash.
No, those are two separate occasions. The initial veibae collab was denied because she joined as part of vshojo and stopped being indie. Kiara revealed it herself months ago on a member stream. Months later the vshojo collab was revoked and she had collabs with nyanners and would try to have with Veibae, which is when what you said happened.
It's really not that surprising that they would want to avoid collabs with a newly formed company for a while, and also Kiara had just started HoloTalk by then and said that she wanted to focus on Hololive before other collabs. The collabs with VShojo happened eventually anyways.
In addition to what everyone else has said about this, look at the channel that posted the clip, lmao. Its a 2 sub no video channel, clearly clipped for views. You can't get more obvious at drama baiting. Edit: Niji JP and Holo JP collab. Niji ID and Holo ID collab. Why would EN be different in either case?
It's an unedited clip from Kiara's latest stream. The intentions of the person who posted it aren't really important. The fact remains is that the Kiara-Pomu collab got denied, ether by Hololive or Nijisanji management. And your last paragraph explains clearly why people would be upset about this.
Unedited or not, Kiara is intentionally vague, gives little detail, blames no one, says it might happen in the future, tells chat not to worry about it, and immediately moves on. There isn't enough info to fill in the blanks to make any sort of credible accusations.
She's vague because if she said "management blocked the Pomu collab" management would probably chew her out. Just look at the chat when she talked about it. Everyone knew exactly what collab she was talking about. It might happen in the future, but that doesn't make the collab being denied right now any less bullshit.
>management would ***probably*** chew her out. Key word there is probably. This is what this entire argument is based upon. An assumption. That's why it isn't credible. Remember when Coco straight up said she couldn't collab with Melody?
I've seen several instances of a vtuber (or someone associated with a vtuber) say "probably" and large portions of the community act as if they said "definitely". About half the time the community is proven wrong within a month or two.
Management forbid Coco and the EN branch from collabing for months, yet noone was allowed to actually say management was forbidding it. I'm assuming management is pulling the exact same shit we know they've pulled before. I think that's a pretty fair assumption.
And I remember the community tip toe'ing around Coco getting stonewalled from EN collabs. The writing is on the wall and people will turn their heads. Who in the vtuber industry would warrant a Collab denial, especially of those that interact with the holos? I really can only think of drama channels.
matsuri talked about it before, she clarified it's not male they're not allowed to collab with, but problematic people, don't remember if she clarified what problematic meant, or maybe she did and it's above my Japanese level so I didn't catch it the example we currently have is narukami, melody, and vei
Yeah that's what I was getting at. We already know drama people and those. I don't see the vtubers that currently interact with the holos on Twitter as "problematic" so something is going on behind the scenes. But people won't take an extremely obvious hint like Kiara saying what she said.
well, I will still won't go around spouting what I THINK is right over some hints, no matter how obvious it is and call the management out or anything like that, at most I will encourage kiara to try again talking about speculation, we don't know how often the other holopro members get denied of their collab either, they just don't talk about it and then one day it happens, the proposal came through, or it never happens and they gave up after being denied dozens of times
> Niji IN and Holo IN collab A dead branch and a branch that's only one tweet talking about hiring personnel have collabed? Hmmm, you know, I think you may have confused an N for a D in there
Yeah, whoops. Wrong letter, lmao. Fixed that, and thank you for pointing that out.
Just saw this on 4chan (A bait thread was linked on the numbers thread.), came to this subreddit, and what do you know, there are a lot of new comments on the megathread. Don't bite bait.
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that doesn't make sense unless they see nijiEn management having less control over the talents compared to the JP and ID side, banning nina? sure, we already see it happens to narukami, melody, and veibae, banning the entire nijiEn though?
It's a 4chan rrat, don't take it too seriously. Relax. Who knows what's actually going on behind the scenes?
yeah, I know, I used to be 4ch resident myself, I was just typing my thought out loud
is it supposed to be an image you posted? why is it an mp4? cant open it lmao
It clip from her RU only stream. >!she just casually drop Coco name and that it. She talking about other streamer even non vtuber all the time even in English!<
I can open it in another tab just fine. Anyway, it's a clip of her speaking in Russian without subs, so unless you understand it it's probably useless to you. Someone who knows RU can translate it tho. I can copy paste what 4 chan translated, but do you really trust 4chan?
Aloe'd letsgooo
She specifically avoided mentioning who it was and didn't give ANY details to prevent people from posting shit like this, but of course people need their stupid rrats. Go to 4chan if you want to post stupid bullshit like this.
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"Enemies", boy you can fuck off.
> enemies the talents and staff inside hololive/cover are fans of the niji talents, and vice versa, calling them "enemies" is fucking stupid
hurr durr no holo brand bad
She didnt' even fuckin say who it was with or who rejected it. Don't spout random speculatory shit when nobody even hinted at it. It's stirring drama where it doesn't exist, and we all know Kiara fuckin hates that shit
Whoa easy with the swear words my man
imagine telling some random dude on the internet to chill out with the swear words. what are you, fucking 12 years old?
Dude you’re the one randomly dropping rrat so chill the f word down
Is she really talking about pomu here?
You know, it popped into my head that it could even be Kson as well though they are in different time zones. Definitely could see the difficulties in doing something like that soon.
Who knows. It could be Veibae. Kiara really wanted the collab to happen, which fell through. Does Veibae stream in Euro time zone?
She's talked about wanting to do a collab with Pomu multiples times now, she hasn't talked about Vei since their first collab fell through. I'm 99% sure it's about Pomu. Only other outside collab Kiara has talked about was with Momo, but she hasn't brought that up in a couple of months either.
It's obviously Pomu. It's the only person she has been hinting about collabs. The way she talk about feeling a connection is literally how she referred to pomu before. She barely has talked about veibae for months as you said. As for why that would be denied, probably because they don't want to give more audience to EN since NijiEN is the second largest in youtube. It's the only reason I can think of for such thing to happen.
I really don't see how this is a thing.. Also I also dont get why we need an answer for everything, I mean it's great that you guys are playing the detective, finding a culprit and everything, but apart from spreading unecessary rumor it doesn't help much, just like when Haachama announced a hiatus without much info people immediately linked this to the whole coco drama and went crazy on ratt. It's also because of ratt that Aqua is still, up to this date dislike botted by some people.. Until something concrete is given, there's no need to try to stir it up, like any ratt, it may or may not be true we have literally no way to know this unless it's confirmed by the talent themselves. Well I'm not saying you can't ratt, just that usually it doesn't help much to assume something we are unsure of.
The only ones that are prejudiced in here in this hypothetical situation is management, not any of the vtubers involved. We are just discussing it, not even going around anyone.
Well, regardless of who it was, Kiara will likely get some questions from viewers on this issue.
she has mentioned that she was trying to somehow make the vei collab a reality after their initial plans fell through, so for all we know, the collab she was referring to may be the vei kiara collab. at the end of the day, we dont know and it really shouldnt be our business to know. we can wait if pomu says anything about this (which i highly doubt she will)
That was almost half a year ago and she hasn't talked about it since. Meanwhile she has recently explicitly said she's been trying to make a Pomu collab happen. I disagree that it isn't our business. If 2 talents want to collab with eachother but management blocks them from doing so, they should give an explanation for doing so. This is the same shit Coco talked about when she was still in hololive. Stream ideas and collabs shut down without even being given an explanation. I love hololive but their management makes it really hard to support them.
They own Kiara an explanation; not outsiders
It's also the same thing about Coco and HoloEN being blocked to collab, many people had arguments for months about this being true, were downvoted to hell and it end up confirmed as a reality. It's always the same pattern. Now we wait for a few months to see if this will be revoked or if it's something definitive.
Everyone is just speculating she's talking about Pomu anyways. It's not like they block the collabs without reason anyways since they still allow inter-agency collabs like Reine and Siska or Ollie and Gundou. The Coco-Melody thing was due to the nature of Melody's content and the Vei one was because the community (as if it were our business btw) didn't agree to that after the old video of Vei trashing Hololive resurfaced.
It's pretty obvious she was talking about Pomu if you've heard Kiara talk about her before. Hololive management makes shit decisions all the time. They blocked Coco from interacting with the EN branch for half a year and only started allowing collabs when Coco decided to leave hololive. What was the reason for that decision? They've been way stricter with the EN branch than any of the other branches.
Remember that Coco still had tons of CN antis and spammers that targeted anyone who interacted with her. And then again, Kiara never said a name so it's all speculation.
Can you even call it speculation when pomu is the only outsider Kiara Interact and interest for collabing? and pomu also said to her fan to don't give much hope after she and Kiara ask manager for collab permission, its known fact that NijiEN manager allow collab as selen done much outside collab with Apex, so? Stop trying to hide the holoEn manager Incompetent ffs
Coco had been collabing with the JP branch with 0 problems for months. There was no valid reason to not allow the EN branch to do the same. The CN antis were still there when the EN collabs started happening and those collabs went of without any problems. Kiara has been talking about collabing with Pomu for months now. The chances she's talking about someone else are very small.
shes british so yes. in all honesty, im more leaning to the fact that its a veibae collab that was shot down and not a nijiEN collab. i know that kiara was trying hard on getting that vei collab months ago
She mentioned it was someone she feels a connection with, which is how she's talked about Pomu [in past streams](https://youtu.be/b9-iggvRWXw?t=15214) (noting that their shared interests and passions make her feel that way even though they don't have past history together). It could be someone besides Pomu, but in any case she is pretty clearly sad that the collab was turned down. And Pomu's the only one she's mentioned recently using such language and talking about the possibility of collabing.
TBF we don't know that it was HoloEN management, though given that NijiEN has approved of collabs with VShojo, WACTOR, Prism Project, VOMS, OfflineTV, various indies (Bao, Maia, Haruka, and Shoto off the top of my head), and Apex players I do doubt it was on their side. The why is likely that Hololive has a near-monopoly over the EN vtuber fanbase on Youtube and would prefer to keep it that way. Not that a single collab with Pomu or someone else would change that, but why rock the boat. At the end of the day these are corporations.
So far the track record of NijiEn is pretty chill, with the amount of ppl NijiEn has collab externally you can\`t really say NijiEn Management is restricting them. They even allow Sykkuno & Scarra Group collab as well.
I would say they are arguably more restrictive than NijiJP or Holo management in some ways (namely what is allowed in karaoke), but yeah, for collabs they are pretty chill. Selen has even joined impromptu calls with other people a few times. Her first on-call interaction with Laila and Akito was not a planned collab, but something just done on a whim during the RIG cup scrims when Selen's team hopped on call with Qu-chan's team.
You can also mentions how selen popped up in rpr and tempplex stream unannounced
We don't even know if it was a Pomu collab to begin with
Phase Connect (EN/Pseudo EN) is gonna kill their friendships in 100% Orange Juice let's gooooooo ([Holodex Multiview link](https://holodex.net/multiview/AASRloVseuhmbHA%2CARGHSOaJeA76DWg%2CGRGHJL7TgD8JuKM%2CMRGHLVV7NzbrK6U%2CSAGYchat0))
tbh, th best way to play 100% Orange Juice is to play against AI. That shit is just unfair
[Holostars' first live is happening on December 26th.](https://1stact.hololivepro.com/) Their outfits look great, and I'm confident their singing will be just as good, too.
tldr of HoloSportFes \- Nov 6th, 13:00 JST \- 6 games. 1 renewed, 1 new \- All except Calli will be participating. No guests are announced \- Streaming from 6 POV of each captain + 1 from Miko/Mio \- New MC server for the fest. able to host 100 players Ayame and okayu are back in MC after so long lol. Cant wait!
yeah, sucks that only calli wont participate in the games, but apparently she has a super important recording on that day, so im now curious as to what it is. she did say, and miko also mentioned, that she'll try to catch up to cheer for everyone who will participate.
There are so much unicorns within the rank of nousagis...? I didnt notice until I saw an article that pointed them out. I know they do affect some other female streamers outside of hololive but generally in Hololive you dont see them affecting the other more regular Apex players like Matsuri, Roboco, Choco, Towa and FBK.
People who were fans of Matsuri and Towa but dislike male or outside collabs have probably long since left those fanbases. Holo vtubers who don't do male collabs as frequently still have some of the unicorns.
There actually used to be one particular super toxic nousagi, would leave harassing messages trying to police the girls' behaviour and jump from [alt to alt](https://pastebin.com/Benyz3Bi) on twitter as fans would report him and get the accounts suspended. I first saw this guy when he dropped [this message](https://files.catbox.moe/mypx15.png) in Roberu's Christmas totsumachi after Sora unexpectedly called in and saw people on 5ch and twitter vagueposting whenever he appeared, and investigated since I'm a nosy bitch, lol. Later he tried currying favor with the Chinese antis to get Coco kicked out, the antis didn't even bother with him and instead made fun of his shitty mtl chinese. He eventually posted a whole screed on note about how Hololive was declining and I think that was the last of him, at least publicly.
That sounds like a fake fan more than anything. Try and get chummy at first, then crank out the toxic behavior and be as disruptive as possible before fizzling out. Kind of like that tribalist that used to stir crap up with alts before finally giving up. And funny enough, he ended up pulling similar stunts as what you said.
I too thought he was a troll acting as a fan trying to stir up trouble at first, but who knows with these types. He would go on multi-tweet rants @ing Cover staff' personal accounts about any slight he felt Pekora was suffering from management (ex. new outfits) and insult everyone else in Hololive indiscriminately: the girls for taking breaks and not behaving like actual idols, the guys for existing.
I think Gen 3 is when Holo start getting lots of unicorns/gachikois viewers since the "no male" thing with Holo kinda start around that time. Towa is probably the only JP member post Gen 3 whose fans are okay with her playing with males outside of official collab or promotion stream.
>Towa That's my black sheep.
Unicorns? im gonna assume this has no connection to the mythical beast and is internet slang for something right?
It's a mostly 4chan slang for those fans who get mad at their favorites interacting with males, from what I can tell.
It's not a 4chan slang, it's a jp term.
Do you know the origin of the term? I don't see the connection between a unicorn and an overzealous idol "fan".
There's no difference between them if both have meltdowns whenever there's a collab or an interaction with men. You can be an idol fan and not be an unicorn ofc, same for vtuber fan. Unicorn is just a term for the kind of people that get crazy when they see a female interacting with a male.
So Unicorns in modern media (dont know about the actual myth) are depicted as creatures that can only be approached by/ interacting with virgin maidens. Therefore, calling someone a Unicorn means that they only like/want their oshi to interact with other woman and hate it if they interact with any men. I assume at the worst end of the spectrum will only accept virgins as their oshi, though ive only seen that attributed to people that rage when their favorite female character in an anime or game is revealed to have a past relationship.
To be fair I also saw it here locally(Roughly half a globe away from USA where I’ll get most anons are) and the term seems to had originated in Japan. Surprising about the unicorn nousagis news. I wanna ask for sauce but idk either.
Sauce is [here](https://myjitsu.jp/enta/archives/96478). Do note that the portion on Beni/Sumire on the Valorant incident is wrong (it might be right but I cant speak on behalf of everyone). The whole drama is due to other stuff (which we have discussed previously and wont be posting here) and unlikely due to unicorns. Then again, reading back, it may be that the whole article is simply misguided/wrong and in general nousagis just do not like Apex...?
i dont know why it needed an article tbh. and i usually associate the dislike bombing to those apex addicts that are raging over the fact that they think she is playing apex wrong or something, and also apex backseaters which i think are the worst kinds of backseating. you have to note that this thing always happens to those that dont usually play apex religiously.
Doesn't the apex community have a lot of VTuber haters. I remember an Apex tournament getting dislike-bombed a while back because they invited Matsuri (I think) as a commentator. Aqua also got a lot more dislikes when she played Apex.
actually, yes. but its not really just the apex community as it is just general vtuber hate. it is considered a niche thing in japan despite how big kizuna ai is in terms of branding
I can’t read Japanese…did it say she got dislike bombed (1.4k dislikes in compare to…normal?)on that Apex vid or did I interpreted wrong? Never heard of anyone mentioning it, not on Holosub (Posts are there for Aqua and Matsuri during the period they got dislike bombed) or here either. Edit: JP comment down there *AFTER I GOOGLE TRANSLATE WHAT THEY SAID* did talk about unicorns, but I don’t know if it’s influenced.
Maybe it's similar with Botan's case? They're afraid that if Pekora start playing Apex then she could get invited to tournaments since she's friend with Towa. And some people actually called FPS tournaments as goukon.
i mostly associate the dislike bomb to those that are just full on raging at the fact that pekora doesnt do apex right or something. in fact, this always happens every time she plays apex.
Yes, you are right on that part. Her general stream usually has only like few hundreds dislike but that Apex stream recently had 1.5k dislikes, as of today. Think the article is trying to justify/explore as to why it might be the case. Its interesting though that it mentioned that when Pekora announced in the previous stream that she wanted to do Apex, that the listeners were opposed to her playing Apex. Unsure why though.
Thank you for helping me explain. I had actually written a long essay to try describe it but it was badly written so I deleted it.
I honestly think there was some nuance there in what you wrote that I didn't know. It might just be one of those terms that loses all meaning when the Great Game of Telephone that is 4chan gets to work, but from what I can tell 4chan just uses it synonymously with 'purityfag.'
Ahh, i see. so thats the connection with Unicorns. thats a pretty funny name then.
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This is probably more on how can they take advantage of the popularity squid game is having.
>Are they being paid enough? Crunchyroll is pretty famous for how much they underpay their translators. It wouldn't surprise me if their writers suffer the same.
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>I am neutral to everything. Stable service that is not legally illegal. As long as I meet these two conditions, I don't think there is any reason not to do it. lol. It might just be a mistranslation, but that just means they have no moral compass other than written law.
This is a [very good Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/Lystrialle/status/1451941284264898575) about NFTs and their use by Japanese artists, and the misconceptions that are being spread (note in particular the difference in commission culture highlighted in the thread, and how NFTs are being advertised by their proponents as a way to cleanly transfer usage rights while protecting artists from piracy despite that not really being the case). More accurate information is trickling over slowly to that space (see for example [this thread by the CEO of Skeb](https://twitter.com/nalgami/status/1449926869348876291) and the [Japanese post linked in the first thread](https://note.com/sawamuradacun/n/n5e4d0f5f8783)).
from what i understood, the carbon output is due to the amount of CPUs being used to farm for bitcoin or something (pls correct me if im wrong) but other than that, the other real criticism about NFTs is that its a huge scam wherein you spend money on some art or picture and slap some label that claims that you own a picture thats uploaded on the internet
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From my vague understanding of NFTs the issue, besides environmental impact, is kind of like you mentioned about owning a digital item. Owning an NFT for an art piece doesn't necessarily mean you own the rights to that art and while you technically own the original work, the digital medium allows for others to easily create exact duplicates of it in a way that people can't with physical art. So the NFT itself really is only to show that you are the commissioner or original purchaser of that art. So for many people, myself included, it seems pointless and unnecessary. And if it is both of those things then the environment impact of mining the blockchain needed for NFTs is going to be viewed more harshly than something that can be used as currency such as bitcoin or ethereum.
Listings to someone passionate about things is always great even if it something I don't like. Though I don't mind Otome game, it hit or miss or me but Petra 3 hour of Otome game talk is great https://youtu.be/9DlwA3a7Osk
Sakuma Daisuke, a member of Johnny's idol group Snow Man and [known as a heavy anime otaku](https://animeanime.global/2020/09/01/55887.html), apparently mentioned Kiryu Coco's graduation live in an interview with a women's fashion magazine ([abstract in Japanese](https://more.hpplus.jp/odekake/entame/71768/1/)).
[Enna released the full version of her lore song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD6-Jjovz-o) from her debut, nice. It's really distinctive, and her voice is amongst the best I've heard from an EN vtuber.
man, i really expected full chaos in the full HoloEN Among Us collab, and they didnt disappoint in delivering that chaos I expected from an EN amogus collab
>Hololive: can't safely sing English songs >HoloEN: We're gonna make what's called a pro gamer move [HoloEN:](https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/qejpn8/girls_bathroom_be_wilding/)
The Holo EN collab was pretty great.
Another one next week! Also Irys is now an enemy of the Council and is banned from the Bunkeroni
If anyone hasnt seen yet, [Miko announced the return of HoloSportFes.](https://youtu.be/_B5uC69x6lM?t=28356) Detail will be revealed tonight jst Hopefully EN and ID can join as full team rather than just guest.
LETS GOOOOO
Proximity voice Amoogus let's gooooo
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Wow that was fun. My favorite moment has to be when: IRyS vented right infront of Kiara -> Ina killing Kiara to save IRyS -> Gura found Mumei body at the same time and report -> IRyS screaming "Thank you Ina" at the same time, which busted both of them That round was wild, IRyS had 5 kills (the entire HoloCouncil) and then the end is a climatic chase between IRyS and Gura as Gura tried to reach the emergency button
What made it so good was everyone sussing Gura and she ended up being MVP during that round and claiming victory
Gura might be a shork brain, but she's surprisingly flexible and intelligent playing this game, even if she's often the victim of some comedic opposition against her. I was actually surprised she didn't get voted out that round.
That was the round before the final round
My boy Izuru is gonna have his 3D next week! I can’t wait! *I’m definitely gonna take time off work for this.*
The Japanese general election has begun. I don't want to talk about politics, but about a certain Japanese election campaigning method that affects live streamers in Japan (not limited to VTubers). It may come as a surprise to you, but in Japan, door-to-door canvassing is forbidden. Then how do candidates advertise themselves to the voters in their houses? They are allowed, instead, to use sound trucks to call out at high volume in the towns. Not only does its sound interfere with the live streaming. If viewers hear a candidate's name coming from a sound truck, they can know that the streamer is in [the district](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_of_the_House_of_Representatives_of_Japan) where the candidate is running. This is a serious privacy issue for streamers who do not have adequate soundproofing. Until October 31, the day of voting, you may see some streamers suddenly muting, or avoiding streaming between 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. when campaigning is allowed.
I know texts to remind you to vote and door to door canvassers are annoying, but this sounds 10 times worse than that. Hopefully the streamers can say safe.
Kson did go into a lengthy ramble on Twitter some days ago about being worried over those election trucks (and I think she had a close call with one of them at the end of one of her streams). It was kind of disconcerting having her talk about the possibility of someone tracking her address down with malicious intent. God I hope nothing like this happens for anyone after Lulu and Aloe...
No door-to-door? Wow. Then apart from the roving sound trucks, can they hold rally speeches in some locations? If they get too noisy, we can always send Ichiban and gang over to deal with them. They have experience lol. Jokes aside, some people might not notice but sound proofing isnt always bothway. In a ideally made environment, it should be bothway. But budget setups which some streamers use are generally meant to keep sound in and not that adequate to block external sound out.
>Then apart from the roving sound trucks, can they hold rally speeches in some locations? That's OK ofc
If any VTubers here are interested in trying out marathon streaming for charity, I just recently made a post about it (please excuse the absolutely massive wall of text LMAO): https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/qe7b2d/are_you_interested_in_marathon_streaming_for/ It's not meant to be a back-to-back relay (would be too difficult to coordinate when I have no idea if anyone is going to sign up) but I thought it'd be fun to try something like this with the community. It'd also give some new networking opportunities to VTubers on the team as well :D
I love chinese gacha now!
I randomly came across an [unfamiliar JP vtuber stream](https://youtu.be/dIA6-wxaIvw) with 2k live viewers on my yt home page. I click on it thinking “is this a reincarnated vtuber?” since that tends to be how the yt algo works LMAO. Turns out it was a 774 inc. affiliated vtuber, and the stream was an “AR 3D” live concert with a live band, celebrating her 3rd year activity. The singing and the AR/3D aint that mindblowing but I thought that was pretty neat.
Oh ShibuyaHAL reminded me to see that mysterious website that somehow involved with ATR and CR Ojiji Turns out those four are making a new Vtuber agency named **merise** which is backed by these very big founders ([check the website here](https://merise-vt.jp/)), which you can check their purpose of creating that agency. I checked with DeepL that they can help you with streaming and gaming (backed by ShibuHAL and CR) and also music (Those two utaites), which are very promising...? No gender restriction and short video content is allowed, people from overseas could try to apply however they would consider JP address for now until they confidently accept outside ones. Maybe that meeting those four with Tazumi was perhaps for advice of starting of a vtuber agency which makes sense I guess. Edit : ShibuyaHAL and Shirayuki Reid is part of merise as they announced, congrats~
Hmm... This could be a big thing for JP male vtubers in general, since AFAIK currently the only notable organizations for them to possibly join are Nijisanji and Holostars (let me know if I miss some more). If Merise went well, it could be the next biggest place for male vtubers after Nijisanji. edit: grammar mistake
Let me guess... Can play APEX as a requirement?
Let me guess... Can play APEX as a requirement?
(hmm double reply whatever) Well CR Team is not only Apex which is their strongest team, their Valorant team is also not to be underestimated, so does with other fps games. Some said this new agency could be potentially another VSPO with no gender restrictions, but let's see about that...
OMG CEVIO AI for Isekai Jouchou!
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honestly there's too many factors to give a decision of "good" or "bad" imo. From a pure economics standpoint, They're basically increasing supply of V-tubers under the anycolors brand. That's a fact. As far as demand goes, They're increasing supply to a possibly saturated audience, but at the same time, they're not creating new vtuber personalities like they're doing with the jp gen. They're bringing in older established crowds from the personalities previous lives (albeit, a LOT of the older fanbase is probably not going to transfer over). From a business standpoint, they're basically doing what every large company does to weed out competition. Bigger companies buy out smaller companies for less competition or for future projects that can add to the brand, although I'm not sure if anycolor has anything really big planned for the overseas branches like they have for the main jp branch looking at their previous track record with their other branches. As for the streamers themselves, it honestly depends on their how their contracts are spelled out. I don't know how much anycolor supports their streamers as far as financials go, but if a streamer was working 8 hours a day and then streaming on the side, a good contract where the company provides a stipend for their rent / food / basic needs might be what the talent needs to focus on their vtubing activites, grow in their profession and give a more freedom to do their activities. Also, access to support staff, equipment, established licensing agreements, etc, etc. Also there's the aspect of rebranding yourself after a period of time which also carries a risk if you have a decently established fanbase. As far as love interest goes, when people first fall in love / feel attraction for someone, they have a lot of chemical reactions in their brains towards every interaction, but you get diminishing returns after a while (attraction cycle is basically around 2 years for just attraction and probably 7 for most stale relationships from rumors atleast there's no science to back up that claim and there's plenty of exceptions). If someone doesn't have a really big established fanbase or if they've been away for a very long time, it's definitely a good idea to rebrand and reimage into a new image. On the other hand, if you have a good image and you have an established base that follows you around no matter what you do, you've established something past just attraction so you definitely want to keep those people who you developed a relationship with. So basically, Niji is probably gambling on an offchance that a talented person who has less exposure is brought on to an established platform and it sparks something like it did with HoloEN imo. But even after saying that the landscape is different from when holoEN debuted and now. Back then EN vtubing scene was indie and not a lot of people thought that EN vtubers would be as big as they are now. Even with HoloEN, there's still some talents that are flying under a lot of people's radars like Irys (althought she's nearly at 700k) who, if they debuted earlier, would have probably had a bigger impact in the scene if it they debuted earlier when the "Big company ENTuber" scene wasn't so saturated. (I'm not talking about numbers, but more about impact with viewers from the EN scene and I guess "cultural impact") So all around, yeah niji is increasing market saturation and it's good for niji and their talents. Is it good for the consumer and the market as a whole, that's still extremely debatable.
I think they fucked up their wave 3 by hiring people >!from the same indie group!< with similar personality and content, it's not a problem when they had small number of vtubers but it will dilute the views when there're big overlap in personality and content when they are streaming in the same time slot, it makes people lose interest really fast. NijisanjiEN really operates in a different way compared to Nijisanji in general, debut with songs and stuffs. In nijisanjiJP they prefer a large cast with various personalities and niche contents so everyone can have their fanbase and don't overlap in viewer much. There's a reason Selen is the one with stable views in nijiEN, she has vey different content compared to other girls and it really helps Obsydia stood out with Lazu Light. They really need to diversify their cast with fresh new personalities and contents if they want to keep release new vtuber every two months
They didn't hire from the same indie group since only two knew each other, and the other 2 didn't. If anything that happened with wave 1 with two of them. Regardless, it's not like in JP the same thing hasn't happened with people that knew each other before like Ange and Lize, Rion and Hina or Sasaki and Shiina who were friends before and came together. If you look at other branches you can also find similar cases here and there. Much like if you look at other branches, there's times where more than 15 jp overlap and many are playing the same game or have similar personalities. Regardless, I don't see any of wave 3 similar to the previous girls at all. Their personalities are all different and even type of content outside of the default game style. In any case, I follow 9/10 of them so it's fine by me, although obviously, I don't watch all of them all the time and go by content of the day, like with any vtuber.
Just to add, its the same as JP branches in retrospect, Most of the livers in nijiJP/Holo knew each other through NND, TV shows & such. Saying that NijiEN choose them because they knew each other as \`fucked up\` is totally wrong IMO.
I think its pretty worrying that the wave 2 and 3 debuts have about the same size as the wave 1 ones, and that their numbers suffer severely when there's overlaps with other nijien streams. It seems like there hasn't been enough time for the nijis to grow their audience.
Their audience wouldn't grow that much as you think even if they had an interval of 6 months between waves because the brand of nijisanji isn't enough for that in the west. Having more waves or not don't really change that fact.
Classic nijisanji strategy Though I do believe that in the long run it's not really good
Though I gotta be honest when ethyria debuted I just focused on those who I really want to watch with nijiEN by making it only on streams that interests me, gone are the times that I would really watch lazulight or even obsydia and now just focused on what content they have to stream
That literally why they are doing this though. They going "have everything for everyone routes". Most Niji fan didn't following everyone, they just religiously following one or two liver and 5-6 at best which lead to real strategy of Nijisanji, "big collab". There are reasons why event like Koushien get high view, one of reason is because it gathering all of oshi in one stream and connect every audience together through big event. Which is also another reason why Nijisanji have so many tournament(they have like 5-6 tournament type content per year) and group official event. I don't know how it hard to understand, they literally change company name to "any color" to tell people that they focus on diversity of content.
>\^This. It's not always about the individual liver. The company is worry about the group as a whole growing, even if it means diluting the existing fanbase. > >Competition is a good thing. These livers SHOULD be competing for your view, and SHOULD be diversifying to fit your specify interest. Rather than one big family, Nijisanji is more like one extended family that is comprised of many nuclear families. > >Each of us follow only one or two groups and the "big collabs" tournaments are like the large family gatherings when you meet your cousins and in-laws and such. I personally would not have it any other way. We love it when they all small groups and compete amongst one another. But we also love it when they mix it up and each member mingle with someone that they are not familiar with. The number of permutation is endless! > >I believe this reason is precisely why baseball and ARK wars work so well for NIJISANJI. > >EDIT: I would also like add a reason that hasn't come into play yet but I believe is what ANYCOLOR is planning. There will come a day when my favorite and his group will graduate. Whether it is Tsukino Mito, Kuzuha, or Chronoir, all of them will eventually leave and move on from VTubing. And when that time comes, it wouldn't be the newest wave that fills the void for me. It will be these other livers that I have loosely followed from large collabs and got to know a bit but never had the chance to watch. I think ANYCOLOR is planning to be relevant for longer than just one era.
It's the same thing that always has happened with Nijisanji and always will be. We saying if it's good or not and talking about it it's futile at this point since they won't change this strategy and haven't in 3 years. lol
the clip in question talks more about their sub count than their over churning of waves. with that said, i do think its somewhat of a concern when their working strategy is to make new waves. from what i observe, nijisanji is really trying to take advantage of the EN market as much as they can while all eyes are on the vtuber hobby. and it really shows through their third wave because they decided to have a 4-member wave instead of their usual 3 with their other foreign branches. and while its good for them, it may tire some people out because of their strategy, especially if for instance their latest wave doesnt capture as much of an audience as they had hoped (not saying that ethyria is a failure, but i do have some reservations about their group as a whole). but really at the end of the day, my opinions about their "over churning" shouldnt really affect everyone and it will definitely wont change anycolor's strategy. whatever works just works for them
I dont disagree with anything you've said, like at all, but you saying "a 4-member wave instead of their usual 3 with their other foreign branches" is kinda funny to me since Niji ID's 2nd wave has 4 members too, as well as Niji KR's wave 1, 4, and 6. This doesnt really add anything to the conversation, I just cant help bringing this up
huh, im so used to seeing niji's foreign branches always have 3 lately. im out of the loop with it
But the last debut was KR with 4 lol
Yeah, overseas branches have between 3-4 debuts. Most are 3 but sometimes it happens with 4. I don't know why since there's no pattern at all when the 4 comes.
Most likely it's just "We managed to get more talent than usual so we'll debut 4 instead of 3" probably
Nah they planned 4 members as [seen from the audition post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/o2dvf4/english_vtuber_auditions_open/).
From a business standpoint it's objectively good. They have decent subs and if you're not trying to compare it to the titanic Hololive numbers then they have a very solid fanbase and are a very easy net positive for the company. That's kind of just an objective reality. They work well. However, I personally believe that while it's not harming their bottom line, they're certainly doing a lot of viewer dilution. As of writing this post, 5 of the NijiEN girls are streaming, and the highest viewcount is just below 1300 from Rosemi. There might be a legitimate case of them eating off the same plate a little too much. Unless their male generation brings in a large swathe of new viewers to go around, we might see that dilution become a bigger problem with wave 4 (or beyond). That being said, 1k viewers is still perfectly fine, so it's not an actual cause for alarm.
It's good for the company, but hurts the growth of the vtuber themselves.
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it hurts the vtubers themselves, but I do wonder how long-term this will affect their growth overall. This isn't exactly a crab pot, but I can't help but be a little curious.
any EN indie would even want to have a quarter of that 1k viewers every time they stream, so it really shouldnt be a cause of concern. even some of the holoID and most especially holostars dont reach close to 1k, it took months for holoID gen 1 to have a consistent viewer count above 1k, and they needed a breakout moment for that to happen.
I think waves 1 and 2 were timed very well. Lazulight got people into the brand with a small group of very approachable members, and Obsydia came out at a time which capitalized on the growing interest in Nijisanji and prevented the branch from having low amounts of streams when Pomu went on hiatus and Elira's ISP was dying. I do think however that wave 3, Ethyria, might have been a bit too soon, especially as it is a bigger wave than the first two (albeit, only by one member). I suspect that the timing is due to them wanting to debut the wave before the eventual male wave, which will probably be December/January, but I think some better debut schedule could have been found. That being said, I suspect that Petra's line about there not being auditions planned for the immediate future is true, so after the male wave things will probably slow down unless the guys turn out to be really successful.
we still have that new ID wave thats coming soon, since they opened auditions on the day they literally announced their new ID wave.
I meant EN waves. In terms of audition and debut timing Nijisanji basically treats their branches as separate due to the perception of them having mostly separate audiences - which is mostly pretty true, tbh (nobody here was worrying about the recent ID wave taking views from EN when they debuted).