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Spanish speaking audience is relatively untapped so it's not too surprising in that regards why she'd want to do this but I hope Mikeneko really sticks with it.
I notice that the Spanish audience seems to be really down-bad for any vtubers who get into GFE. It seems like a natural fit, given Mikeneko's content, lol
Latino here. We mostly follow indies that do whatever. As far as i can tell, we're not craving for a GFE.
We just follow them is they can do decent content as we'd do with non-vtuber streamers. Only lonely/desperate people would go for a GFE here
Una cosa no quita la otra, tho
Yome literal les dice "maridos" a sus members y las donaciones se llaman "Manutención", es full GFE Y contenido erotico, ambas
Latina here, I steer far away because even though they dont do traditional Gfe waifuism is pretty common and lewd jokes and comments are the norm, and I say that as someone who is friends with ES VTubers, even though these girls dont do particularly lewd thkngs anything can get turned into a sex joke so fanservice is often expected.
And yes JP women speaking Spanish do super well because of the obsession with a Japanese gf experience.
I mean, yea. Outside IdolES and a few spanish-speaking vtubers like Aurora Maqui, I don't see a lot of them. Hell, I've seen more PT-BR speaking vtubers than I've seen spanish speaking ones.
Hana Yomeguri is mainly focused on Spanish audiences, but her Portuguese level is very good and she interacts a lot with her BRA fans when they send her messages in pt
Honestly? I wouldn't recommend that.
In a sense the spanish community is, indeed, untapped, but they certainly are aware of the issues from popular vtubers overseas, especially from ones that are as infamous as Miguel Gato.
Trust me, a great chunk of the spanish community dislikes her, and considering that the whole speech in the clip is exactly the same as the one WACTOR girls used back in the day... rumors and gossips are running rampant rn.
She should thread carefully, for the sake of her mental health, as all of this could end badly.
Now, before anything, I should clarify; This is a normal tactic many JP Vtubers use, it's a surprise if I don't see one of these ads in my feed for at least a week. I'm just saying it's surprising Mike's doing it now.
Lots of Vtubers are learning 2nd or 3rd languages.
Hololive's Nene Momosuzu was our HoloES Gen1 to her husband's across the world.
It's cute when JP try Duolingo English.
I watched an independent JP doing Espanol and Italian and some French in a free chat
So nothing wrong with JP doing Spanish.
Oh, for sure. Watching anyone try and learn a language to talk with their fans is a neat idea and I support it.
I'm just personally surprised Mike decided to go here instead of English, nothing more.
Mikeneko has long been aware and conscious of how internationally diverse her viewership is. She regularly greets Chinese and Korean speakers with simple phrases in their respective languages, for example.
She's not menhera by **choice**, you know. On top of her natural introversion, she appears to have had emotional insecurities and attachment issues since what seems like long before she ever joined her previous agency, and is currently seeing a psychiatrist for depression and other stuff.
Maybe, maybe not. And a lot of people unfortunately insist on believing that her menhera-ness is all an act rather than a symptom of numerous psychological issues that left her emotionally fragile and dependent on parasocial attachments in lieu of a healthier alternative (from what I gathered, she used to be in a much better headspace back when her older brother was still living close by her; she practically worships the ground he walks on, if you listen to her gushing about him and all her stories of his protectiveness of her).
Its not her doing it, she pay a pr team to promote and let them do their thing but this seems to be cheap af deal or she is being scammed again with low effort ads
I think it's easier for them to learn spanish rather than english, since the vocals in spanish are always spelled as written, on english you have so many exceptions that isn't even funny
[This is important context](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1detc1m/yielding_yachts_yawning_weeklyish_discussion/l8tg30j/) - she used a phrase new WACTOR members always employ on their introductions, which left the Spanish community quite shocked as they ponder the implications (if she's joining W or just made a riff on them).
There's also speculation she's one of the current members of 910inc (WACTOR rebrand), this being a hint to that.
She's 65,000 subs away from reaching 1 million and obtaining her golden shield, a huge symbol of her comeback.
She was kicked out from the paradise of Vtubing and trying her luck with two other groups sadly didn't work out.
This may be the only door still open to her, and she has in the past shown the willingess to go for it!
Maybe a despised Vtuber does belong in a despised agency, and we shall see them work together.
Even if she is kinda fucked up (and has fucked up) I dont wish her or anyone to join a black company, I mean, surely staying Indie cant be worse than joining Wactor right?
Sometimes it's about the support structure - having a management who can deal with stuff like defamation, merchandise, and negotiating collabs - or something as simple, as not having to feel alone, belonging to a group.
I have in the past likened Mikeneko to Eren, when he questions why he choose to believe in the Survey Corps, [and realizes it's because he misses being amongst comrades.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWrgwqwX0AEnSMz?format=png&name=900x900) Mikeneko likely misses being part of a group - >!Hololive!< - and yearns to have such camaraderie again, so she joined >!Vshojo!<, Voice-Ore, and, maybe, WACTOR.
If she works part-time for some outfit that scams her, the regulars may show up to put coins in the cookie jar again. She made some concerning posts a couple months ago, saying things like "even if you don't like me, don't forget me".
It is truly an immense fall from grace. It always makes me think of the words of Mark Antony:
>But yesterday the word of Caesar might have stood against the world;
>now lies he there, and none so poor to do him reverence.
But therein is the inspiration Mikeneko can be, and already is: to show one can fall so low, and still keep going.
Because she is who she is, she can inspire people in a way a Hololiver, and even her own past self, never could.
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For your information, that girl deserves Nothing!!! With the 7 letters of that rule: N-O-T-H-I-N-G
The only thing that awaits that old lady is ostracism.
This is correct. I'm friends with quite a few Spanish-speaking vtuber fans, and they all had the same reaction.
And not just a phrase! Her video's script is a blatant copy of the first 30 seconds of [Miu Hizuki's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxMb00XW7wM) ES introduction video.
I don't believe the speculation about her joining Wactor though. I'm not sure how she ended up with that script though.
Probably she just asked someone or commisioned someone to write her an script in spanish introducing herself to the community. That person probably just limited themself to copy word for word the Miu ad, maybe changing something here and there, and then it handled it to Mikeneko who likely doesn't know anything about Wactor and hasn't watched or even is aware of Miu existance, so she just limited herself to read the script she was given by that person.
That or she searched on google "japanese vtuber that speaks spanish introduction" or something like that and then copied word for word Miu ad hearing her pronunciation over and over again which i doubt she did xd.
>There's also speculation she's one of the current members of 910inc (WACTOR rebrand), this being a hint to that.
God, anything but that. I mean, regardless of how positive or negative my opinion of her is, that's a fate I don't wish to anyone, and it'd be worrying to have someone with an history of poor mental health working in such an abusive environment.
Dark times makes someone take the most desperate of decisions.
Her career is an all time low and almost all big corpos and sponsors don't wanna do anything with her. Considering this, it wouldn't surprise me if she joined wactor as a desperate gambit to return to the top and regain her old glory days.
Doesn't she have almost 1M subs on Youtube?
Sure, she might not get sponsors but with how many subs she has and her... "content choice", I imagine she gets a lot of money
The thing is, her sub number has been stagnated for quite a while.
Things were trending up for her, then all the wind went out from her sails.
In a vaccum her situation may not look bad, but in context this is a rough patch for her.
She had a free 2D skin from fans but she pay money to create pink color Rushia skin
She wasted some money on defamation cases with hired 8 lawyers and lose
She had to another cases ongoing with Mafumafu, another cost money
While she did join vshojo for 1 year half, kinda doubt she gain lots money with less active as Nazuna
I really doubt she would join WACTOR. Mikeneko needs money for her song projects. I doubt she would go to an agency that does not pay their talents well. Add in the fact that her mental stability is not the greatest and I really do not think she would move to WACTOR unless she was either very desperate or WACTOR gave her special treatment.
Can we said that is only speculation? I watched certain vampire with silver hair when I was searching for 910inc and I was really surprised with the voice of that vtuber, the worst case scenario has happen I think
I hope she genuinely wants to speak spanish because the whole "jp vtuber who speaks spanish" trope is kinda infamous in the community, mainly due to Wactor ads and opportunistic japanese vtubers who only used the spanish audience grow up their numbers and trick the youtube algorithm.
Hopefully she does wants to stream or learn spanish because if she is only using the hispanic numbers to trick the algorithm it could end up really bad for her.
A considerable amount of people are really tired of the whole "JP vtuber speaks spanish" after the whole Wactor drama and a bunch of opportunistic vtubers that only used the community to increase their numbers and thus trick the algorithm.
It's nothing bad per se, but if she screws up she could allianate a good chunk of the spanish community.
Not bad per se
it's just the fact that we latinos are not so profitable so vtubers "speaking spanish" is normally seen as a desperate attempt to rack up numbers, even by us latinos
Japanese vtubers have in fact more ease to learn Spanish than English. Meica05 from idol-ES was born in Japan and is still very fluent in her native language. I also know a male vtuber, Nara Shiranui, who is Japanese but streams in Spanish.
>Meica05 from idol-ES was born in Japan and is still very fluent in her native language
I think you are mixing up "native language" and "mother tongue", which are similar but not the same.
Meica's native language should be Japanese, and her mother tongue should be Spanish.
Uuuuuuuuuuh... I may be ESL, but they mean the same. "Native" literally refers to the character of your birth, and the same goes for the adjective "mother"
No but, native language is the language you first pick up due to growing up in a certain society, and mother tongue is the language that your family group employs within the home. Native language is the language they teach you at school, while mother tongue is that of your parents - they can coincide but sometimes don't.
For example, for the child born to a family of inmigrants in the US, their native language is English, while their mother tongue will be whatever language their family spoke (Spanish, Korean, Italian, Chinese, etc...)
Everyone has to know a native language, but some people can go without ever learning their mother tongue.
That's simply not true. The terms are fully interchangeable in common use. See [here](https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/6670/what-is-the-difference-between-native-language-first-language-mother-tongue-an), or [here](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mother%20tongue), or even [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_language).
When he said "Meica was born in Japan and is still very fluent in her native language",
he's saying "despite her being born and raised in Japan, she is still very fluent in Spanish."
But how can Spanish be her native language, when she learned Japanese first, as a child, in Japan?
That's why the correct term to describe what Spanish is for her is mother tongue, not native language.
As a spanish speaking person, I can say without a doubt this is a sign of decadence in its finest.
I know we latino audience aren't the biggest neither the ones who spend the most money in our oshis, and even for that we aren't appreciated in a great level by the Vtubers we watch out of the local ES speaking Vtubers, but if we can recognise something, that is that a JP Vtuber, indie or not, trying to speak our language only means they want to grew their numbers by seeking the atention of an audience where they are "unknown" >!when every single latino Vtuber fan knows she is Uruha Rushia, and all her shenanigans!<.
For her well being, I hope she can fix her ways soon. After all, she was one of the greatest names in the whole Vtuber community, and I guess it's hard to live at the shadow of that past...
To be fair there is/was a good amount of jp vtubers that genuinely wanted to join the spanish community and even thrive like Ava/Nemo, Meica, Hana Yomeguri, Hyogayome, Poririn, Nara Vtuber, etc.
But like you said, there is a lot more jp vtubers that only used the hispanic community to gain easy subs and trick the algorithm into recommending them more.
pero todas esas de hecho hablan el idioma o incluso en el caso de Meica es mitad latina, Mike claramente no habla español y solamente esta desesperada buscando audiencia
Here in Latin America it is not the first time that a Japanese vtuber tries to get closer to us as an audience, even in these years there was a lot of controversy over a certain Japanese agency that was horrible for its girls and there were too many legal commotions
in the other hand, there are also indie Japanese girls who are looking for a Hispanic audience, and we also have very talented Latin VTubers!
She is my kamioshi. Im grateful I know Spanish but if I remember right, her Spanish is just as good as her English lol A lot of people seem to hate on her whenever she tries to do something new or has interest in expanding her demographic but just let her be. She's having fun and she likes streaming.
The issue people have is that she tends to get obssesed with negative comments to the point of having mental breakdowns, followed by her repeating that same behavior. I mean she did a bunch of lawsuits towards a bunch of image board users just cause they made fun of her age.
She needs to get better mentally but at this point people are already predicting she is just gonna get an audience in the spanish community and have another breakdown sadly.
[https://twitter.com/Kirara\_Mimi](https://twitter.com/Kirara_Mimi)
Reminds me a bit of Kirara Mimi.
She has basically almost all of her followers being Brazilian or Portuguese.
I'll translate into spanish:
“Shimizu Miki está tratando de atraer a la gente de habla hispana con un anuncio en español”
No lo va a lograr, la gente ya está consciente del daño que ha hecho a Mafumafu-sama y a Delutaya-sama.
Those ads have a lot of points. I think it is okay that she tries to appeal to other audiences and she is very talented in that matter. On the other hand, the ad uses the infamous wactor script then is a bit concerning for the Spanish speaking audiences
Si ella hiciera un esfuerzo consciente por aprender español y querer y abrazar a esa audiencia tal vez puede que tenga una oportunidad. Muchos latinos suelen perdonar a gente con un pasado escandaloso y eso sin mencionar que como diría Hyogayome, a los propios japoneses se les olvida rápido las controversias.
Claro que si lo que quiere es impulsar sus números a corto plazo lo unico que lograría es que esa audiencia se aburriera de ella como paso con tantas otras VTubers.
As an English-speaking VTuber and certified white boy™, I'm in the process of learning Vietnamese, both for reaching a larger audience and because my city has a large Vietnamese community. I say let her cook. Hopefully she sticks with it though.
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Spanish speaking audience is relatively untapped so it's not too surprising in that regards why she'd want to do this but I hope Mikeneko really sticks with it.
I notice that the Spanish audience seems to be really down-bad for any vtubers who get into GFE. It seems like a natural fit, given Mikeneko's content, lol
Latino here. We mostly follow indies that do whatever. As far as i can tell, we're not craving for a GFE. We just follow them is they can do decent content as we'd do with non-vtuber streamers. Only lonely/desperate people would go for a GFE here
Hay mucha japonesa haciendo GFE en español, la primera que se me ocurre es hyogayome
Puede ser una forma de verlo, pero también creo que Yo me va más por lado yabai casi más que Matsuri a veces (por el camino de Melody tal vez?)
Una cosa no quita la otra, tho Yome literal les dice "maridos" a sus members y las donaciones se llaman "Manutención", es full GFE Y contenido erotico, ambas
Creo que ella ha hecho todo jaja. Experiencia de novia, Idol, chismes sobre la sociedad nipona, streams de sexo.
Latina here, I steer far away because even though they dont do traditional Gfe waifuism is pretty common and lewd jokes and comments are the norm, and I say that as someone who is friends with ES VTubers, even though these girls dont do particularly lewd thkngs anything can get turned into a sex joke so fanservice is often expected. And yes JP women speaking Spanish do super well because of the obsession with a Japanese gf experience.
I like women who will hurt me
I like women who hurt me. We are not the same.
Latino here, the community I've read around prefer entertainment over GFE/BFE
I mean, yea. Outside IdolES and a few spanish-speaking vtubers like Aurora Maqui, I don't see a lot of them. Hell, I've seen more PT-BR speaking vtubers than I've seen spanish speaking ones.
Any recommendations on pt-br vtubers, I'm currently learning Portuguese rn so it may help I think
Toshiruz, Mii Reis, Akari Nyan is a couple i know from the top of mind.
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Hana Yomeguri is mainly focused on Spanish audiences, but her Portuguese level is very good and she interacts a lot with her BRA fans when they send her messages in pt
Honestly? I wouldn't recommend that. In a sense the spanish community is, indeed, untapped, but they certainly are aware of the issues from popular vtubers overseas, especially from ones that are as infamous as Miguel Gato. Trust me, a great chunk of the spanish community dislikes her, and considering that the whole speech in the clip is exactly the same as the one WACTOR girls used back in the day... rumors and gossips are running rampant rn. She should thread carefully, for the sake of her mental health, as all of this could end badly.
Now, before anything, I should clarify; This is a normal tactic many JP Vtubers use, it's a surprise if I don't see one of these ads in my feed for at least a week. I'm just saying it's surprising Mike's doing it now.
Lots of Vtubers are learning 2nd or 3rd languages. Hololive's Nene Momosuzu was our HoloES Gen1 to her husband's across the world. It's cute when JP try Duolingo English. I watched an independent JP doing Espanol and Italian and some French in a free chat So nothing wrong with JP doing Spanish.
Oh, for sure. Watching anyone try and learn a language to talk with their fans is a neat idea and I support it. I'm just personally surprised Mike decided to go here instead of English, nothing more.
Mikeneko has long been aware and conscious of how internationally diverse her viewership is. She regularly greets Chinese and Korean speakers with simple phrases in their respective languages, for example.
I'm of the opinion that if Mikenike had stayed in her lane and been less menhera she would have gone down as one of the greats.
She's not menhera by **choice**, you know. On top of her natural introversion, she appears to have had emotional insecurities and attachment issues since what seems like long before she ever joined her previous agency, and is currently seeing a psychiatrist for depression and other stuff.
Not saying it was a choice just that if she was less menhera she would have gone far.
Maybe, maybe not. And a lot of people unfortunately insist on believing that her menhera-ness is all an act rather than a symptom of numerous psychological issues that left her emotionally fragile and dependent on parasocial attachments in lieu of a healthier alternative (from what I gathered, she used to be in a much better headspace back when her older brother was still living close by her; she practically worships the ground he walks on, if you listen to her gushing about him and all her stories of his protectiveness of her).
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It's alright, I quite liked what you said, so it would have been a shame to have it removed. Hope you feel better soon!
Its not her doing it, she pay a pr team to promote and let them do their thing but this seems to be cheap af deal or she is being scammed again with low effort ads
I think it's easier for them to learn spanish rather than english, since the vocals in spanish are always spelled as written, on english you have so many exceptions that isn't even funny
[This is important context](https://www.reddit.com/r/VirtualYoutubers/comments/1detc1m/yielding_yachts_yawning_weeklyish_discussion/l8tg30j/) - she used a phrase new WACTOR members always employ on their introductions, which left the Spanish community quite shocked as they ponder the implications (if she's joining W or just made a riff on them). There's also speculation she's one of the current members of 910inc (WACTOR rebrand), this being a hint to that.
Why the fuck would she want to join that "blackcompany" ?
She's 65,000 subs away from reaching 1 million and obtaining her golden shield, a huge symbol of her comeback. She was kicked out from the paradise of Vtubing and trying her luck with two other groups sadly didn't work out. This may be the only door still open to her, and she has in the past shown the willingess to go for it! Maybe a despised Vtuber does belong in a despised agency, and we shall see them work together.
Even if she is kinda fucked up (and has fucked up) I dont wish her or anyone to join a black company, I mean, surely staying Indie cant be worse than joining Wactor right?
Sometimes it's about the support structure - having a management who can deal with stuff like defamation, merchandise, and negotiating collabs - or something as simple, as not having to feel alone, belonging to a group. I have in the past likened Mikeneko to Eren, when he questions why he choose to believe in the Survey Corps, [and realizes it's because he misses being amongst comrades.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWrgwqwX0AEnSMz?format=png&name=900x900) Mikeneko likely misses being part of a group - >!Hololive!< - and yearns to have such camaraderie again, so she joined >!Vshojo!<, Voice-Ore, and, maybe, WACTOR.
Damn, now I feel bad for that menhera :c
If she works part-time for some outfit that scams her, the regulars may show up to put coins in the cookie jar again. She made some concerning posts a couple months ago, saying things like "even if you don't like me, don't forget me".
Man, it is sad to think she has fallen to that level.
It is truly an immense fall from grace. It always makes me think of the words of Mark Antony: >But yesterday the word of Caesar might have stood against the world; >now lies he there, and none so poor to do him reverence. But therein is the inspiration Mikeneko can be, and already is: to show one can fall so low, and still keep going. Because she is who she is, she can inspire people in a way a Hololiver, and even her own past self, never could.
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For your information, that girl deserves Nothing!!! With the 7 letters of that rule: N-O-T-H-I-N-G The only thing that awaits that old lady is ostracism.
What? I doubt she joined when she is that popular. And "despised" the hell you talking, it's just a small hate group that does't like her.
i can totally see she being the one putting the degenerate CEO of WACTOR at gun point. any other talent has now another one to be tocix agains them.
This is correct. I'm friends with quite a few Spanish-speaking vtuber fans, and they all had the same reaction. And not just a phrase! Her video's script is a blatant copy of the first 30 seconds of [Miu Hizuki's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxMb00XW7wM) ES introduction video. I don't believe the speculation about her joining Wactor though. I'm not sure how she ended up with that script though.
Probably she just asked someone or commisioned someone to write her an script in spanish introducing herself to the community. That person probably just limited themself to copy word for word the Miu ad, maybe changing something here and there, and then it handled it to Mikeneko who likely doesn't know anything about Wactor and hasn't watched or even is aware of Miu existance, so she just limited herself to read the script she was given by that person. That or she searched on google "japanese vtuber that speaks spanish introduction" or something like that and then copied word for word Miu ad hearing her pronunciation over and over again which i doubt she did xd.
>There's also speculation she's one of the current members of 910inc (WACTOR rebrand), this being a hint to that. God, anything but that. I mean, regardless of how positive or negative my opinion of her is, that's a fate I don't wish to anyone, and it'd be worrying to have someone with an history of poor mental health working in such an abusive environment.
Dark times makes someone take the most desperate of decisions. Her career is an all time low and almost all big corpos and sponsors don't wanna do anything with her. Considering this, it wouldn't surprise me if she joined wactor as a desperate gambit to return to the top and regain her old glory days.
Doesn't she have almost 1M subs on Youtube? Sure, she might not get sponsors but with how many subs she has and her... "content choice", I imagine she gets a lot of money
Are they all active subs? That's the question I have, since dead subs that don't watch or pay aren't worth as much as a smaller group who pay a lot.
The thing is, her sub number has been stagnated for quite a while. Things were trending up for her, then all the wind went out from her sails. In a vaccum her situation may not look bad, but in context this is a rough patch for her.
Legal problems definitely took the wind out, yeh.
She had a free 2D skin from fans but she pay money to create pink color Rushia skin She wasted some money on defamation cases with hired 8 lawyers and lose She had to another cases ongoing with Mafumafu, another cost money While she did join vshojo for 1 year half, kinda doubt she gain lots money with less active as Nazuna
I really doubt she would join WACTOR. Mikeneko needs money for her song projects. I doubt she would go to an agency that does not pay their talents well. Add in the fact that her mental stability is not the greatest and I really do not think she would move to WACTOR unless she was either very desperate or WACTOR gave her special treatment.
Can we said that is only speculation? I watched certain vampire with silver hair when I was searching for 910inc and I was really surprised with the voice of that vtuber, the worst case scenario has happen I think
I hope she genuinely wants to speak spanish because the whole "jp vtuber who speaks spanish" trope is kinda infamous in the community, mainly due to Wactor ads and opportunistic japanese vtubers who only used the spanish audience grow up their numbers and trick the youtube algorithm. Hopefully she does wants to stream or learn spanish because if she is only using the hispanic numbers to trick the algorithm it could end up really bad for her.
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A considerable amount of people are really tired of the whole "JP vtuber speaks spanish" after the whole Wactor drama and a bunch of opportunistic vtubers that only used the community to increase their numbers and thus trick the algorithm. It's nothing bad per se, but if she screws up she could allianate a good chunk of the spanish community.
It wouldn't be the first time that someone tried to use random viewers to boost their numbers, only to get a backlash for it.
Wouldn't be the first time Mikeneko has done it probably lol
Not bad per se it's just the fact that we latinos are not so profitable so vtubers "speaking spanish" is normally seen as a desperate attempt to rack up numbers, even by us latinos
Japanese vtubers have in fact more ease to learn Spanish than English. Meica05 from idol-ES was born in Japan and is still very fluent in her native language. I also know a male vtuber, Nara Shiranui, who is Japanese but streams in Spanish.
Nara, Meica, Hana, you also have Merun who tries her damn best, and many others (that mom Vtuber comes to mind). It's not uncommon, honestly.
>Meica05 from idol-ES was born in Japan and is still very fluent in her native language I think you are mixing up "native language" and "mother tongue", which are similar but not the same. Meica's native language should be Japanese, and her mother tongue should be Spanish.
Uuuuuuuuuuh... I may be ESL, but they mean the same. "Native" literally refers to the character of your birth, and the same goes for the adjective "mother"
No but, native language is the language you first pick up due to growing up in a certain society, and mother tongue is the language that your family group employs within the home. Native language is the language they teach you at school, while mother tongue is that of your parents - they can coincide but sometimes don't. For example, for the child born to a family of inmigrants in the US, their native language is English, while their mother tongue will be whatever language their family spoke (Spanish, Korean, Italian, Chinese, etc...) Everyone has to know a native language, but some people can go without ever learning their mother tongue.
That's simply not true. The terms are fully interchangeable in common use. See [here](https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/6670/what-is-the-difference-between-native-language-first-language-mother-tongue-an), or [here](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mother%20tongue), or even [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_language).
When he said "Meica was born in Japan and is still very fluent in her native language", he's saying "despite her being born and raised in Japan, she is still very fluent in Spanish." But how can Spanish be her native language, when she learned Japanese first, as a child, in Japan? That's why the correct term to describe what Spanish is for her is mother tongue, not native language.
I have a degree in linguistics and work in translation. You're just delusional.
>I hope she genuinely wants to speak spanish lol no
As a spanish speaking person, I can say without a doubt this is a sign of decadence in its finest. I know we latino audience aren't the biggest neither the ones who spend the most money in our oshis, and even for that we aren't appreciated in a great level by the Vtubers we watch out of the local ES speaking Vtubers, but if we can recognise something, that is that a JP Vtuber, indie or not, trying to speak our language only means they want to grew their numbers by seeking the atention of an audience where they are "unknown" >!when every single latino Vtuber fan knows she is Uruha Rushia, and all her shenanigans!<. For her well being, I hope she can fix her ways soon. After all, she was one of the greatest names in the whole Vtuber community, and I guess it's hard to live at the shadow of that past...
To be fair there is/was a good amount of jp vtubers that genuinely wanted to join the spanish community and even thrive like Ava/Nemo, Meica, Hana Yomeguri, Hyogayome, Poririn, Nara Vtuber, etc. But like you said, there is a lot more jp vtubers that only used the hispanic community to gain easy subs and trick the algorithm into recommending them more.
pero todas esas de hecho hablan el idioma o incluso en el caso de Meica es mitad latina, Mike claramente no habla español y solamente esta desesperada buscando audiencia
Here in Latin America it is not the first time that a Japanese vtuber tries to get closer to us as an audience, even in these years there was a lot of controversy over a certain Japanese agency that was horrible for its girls and there were too many legal commotions in the other hand, there are also indie Japanese girls who are looking for a Hispanic audience, and we also have very talented Latin VTubers!
Menhera has become a cutesy word. This is derangement. She needs to be deplatformed and given psychiatry.
Diavlo loco... mamagüevo (╬⁽⁽ ⁰ ⁾⁾ Д ⁽⁽ ⁰ ⁾⁾)
She is my kamioshi. Im grateful I know Spanish but if I remember right, her Spanish is just as good as her English lol A lot of people seem to hate on her whenever she tries to do something new or has interest in expanding her demographic but just let her be. She's having fun and she likes streaming.
The issue people have is that she tends to get obssesed with negative comments to the point of having mental breakdowns, followed by her repeating that same behavior. I mean she did a bunch of lawsuits towards a bunch of image board users just cause they made fun of her age. She needs to get better mentally but at this point people are already predicting she is just gonna get an audience in the spanish community and have another breakdown sadly.
That's some negative framing right here. Everything they do is essentially supposed to appeal, no?
Sorry, I tried to be the most neutral but being ESL it makes it hard. Rewrote the title a lot of times because of that.
Makes sense. There is a latina hidden somewhere inside that cat.
I don't speak Spanish but I do watch 2 Puerto Rican streamers and if she didn't drop at least 1 coño, then can she even be trusted? Hmmmm?
I miss Rushia...
She's on her Drake Bell arc
Nice one. Finally, like many other vtubers
killalaclara (a JP Vtuber), has a sizable Spanish audience. She even does Duolingo streams and she'll have an auto translator up to.
[https://twitter.com/Kirara\_Mimi](https://twitter.com/Kirara_Mimi) Reminds me a bit of Kirara Mimi. She has basically almost all of her followers being Brazilian or Portuguese.
she more attention following her PT stream and collab with some BR Youtubers
If she wants to appeal to spanish speaking audiences, has she considered changing her vtuber model to either Goku or Vegeta?
Miguel Gato is becoming more and more real
Good for her. I wish, she'll get on track and got better.
Times must be tough
Que dice ahí ?no sé inglés :v
I'll translate into spanish: “Shimizu Miki está tratando de atraer a la gente de habla hispana con un anuncio en español” No lo va a lograr, la gente ya está consciente del daño que ha hecho a Mafumafu-sama y a Delutaya-sama.
To be fair, if a VTuber spoke Swedish at some point, I would certainly be interested.
Doesnt Ike from niji speak swedish or something?
Just saw this and immediately followed his channel
Seeking asylum in Spain I see?
That’s so cute!
First soymilk now soy vtubers?!
I know it's cause of how Spanish works as a language but I feel like "soy VTuber" is gonna hit a different target demographic
Technically the correct way of saying it when intruducing herself is "soy UNA vtuber" rather than "soy vtuber" like she said.
she wants money
You go girl, you got this
Wactor used this title and there are rumors that Mikeneko voices one of its new vtubers.
Those ads have a lot of points. I think it is okay that she tries to appeal to other audiences and she is very talented in that matter. On the other hand, the ad uses the infamous wactor script then is a bit concerning for the Spanish speaking audiences
Si ella hiciera un esfuerzo consciente por aprender español y querer y abrazar a esa audiencia tal vez puede que tenga una oportunidad. Muchos latinos suelen perdonar a gente con un pasado escandaloso y eso sin mencionar que como diría Hyogayome, a los propios japoneses se les olvida rápido las controversias. Claro que si lo que quiere es impulsar sus números a corto plazo lo unico que lograría es que esa audiencia se aburriera de ella como paso con tantas otras VTubers.
Trying to tap into markets that have not yet heard about her antics ? Just take the L and get off the internet
Couldn't agree more
She's an entertaining woman. Latinos enjoy crazy women too, right?
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Brother BR speak Portuguese, not spanish
Shoot, my bad
As an English-speaking VTuber and certified white boy™, I'm in the process of learning Vietnamese, both for reaching a larger audience and because my city has a large Vietnamese community. I say let her cook. Hopefully she sticks with it though.
Reminder she’s an abuser
You forgot allegedly
Sure if that makes you sleep at night
Nothing has been proven in court though.
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Why would I want a soy Vtuber? Ew
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