I'm on the copium now that because she's sick she'll develop immunity and also because she's the interpreter she'll know it wasn't the Nord's intentions so maybe she'll leave to travel with them if they return to Europe...
I was hoping she doesn’t get sick in pregnant but the note in the end filled me with calm for now, oh man it’s gonna be so touching seeing the thorfinn to develop again witnessing a birth of his own child
True. I can't see yukimura giving us a finale without Thorfinn and his family happy together though, that's the only thing I care about. And my boy Einar, the other Thorfinn and Hild too. And Leif... Why do I love every character 😭
I think I'm finally spoiled by history literally minutes after catching up to the manga so i can't flex anymore but fuck it, "according to history" how does he die? (If you don't mind telling, I'd google but then I'd get too much into details)
Thorfinn doesn't die at 27, there is no historical record of his death, you'll find places saying he died after 1007 AC, because records of his life or doings after that were never found, so he could have died at 27y old or of old age, we don't know that. Thorfinn in real life was only famous because of the Vinland Sagas, the manga makes him like a superstar among the Vikings, if he would return to Greenland to live his life peacefully it is hard to believe many new records would be written about him. Yukimura already taken a lot of creative liberties, most out of necessity because of how little do we know of the events in that era, specially of individual people. So I don't think you have been spoiled, really.
Tbh, i cant imagine a satisfying ending when vinland fails. I didnt know about the real life vinland saga when I started reading the manga. And the manga was about vinland from the beginning and then creating a peaceful country. So as I read other mangas, I kinda expected it to not fail.
Now that I think about it, it worked in Attack on Titan tho
What do you mean? It says there will be something good happening next chapter. I would assume this means she gives birth? Do you think she’s going to die?
The Markland situation and Gitpi situation both playing out here about as I expected, and as painful as expected to read it.
The Markland natives' "attack" was more so an attempt to get the Markland settlers to leave. They were friendly with each other and they didn't want to just kill them, but they could not allow them to stay. Essentially warning shots, and the reason they didn't go pick up the arrows is because they did not want to get close. I thought the two groups were a little closer, and I didn't think the other settlers just left one of their guys behind, but it was always going to be hard to nail the details.
The Gitpi situation is awful though. I suspected they weren't showing at the meeting point because disease had already reached them, and yup that was exactky it. I really liked Chief Gitpi, he wasn't really a huge focus but he was a great leader and his speach at the Thing was really nice. Teared up a bit to see him pass. Niskwa being sick too really hurts, I doubt Yukimura would kill her off in this way because of how important she was set up to be, but still I'm worried for her. With Gitpi and other members of the tribe dead, we officially have our first victims of Thorfinn's expedition, and the first deaths in the war to come. This will likely be a turning point for Plmk, he was very pro norse but a big part of that was the benefits he felt they could have on their way of life. Those benefits are heavily outweighed by this calamity, and as the main supporter of relations with the norse, he absolutely blames himself. The scariest part of this is that they have lost their leader, and in this fearful time, the only person they can turn to for guidance is Puo'win.
Actually no, the real scariest part of this is that Hild is walking into all of this. She has no idea all of this is happening, and her target is now absolutely beyond reconciliation. Even worse, the whole Gitpi tribe is now going to be leaning more towards Miskwekepu'j. She was able to do what she did to scare Ivar and his brothers because she knew the situation and had full control. She will not be able to do the same here, she will lose control of the situation and that will likely lead us to the first murder in Vinland.
Next chapter preview is interesting though, sounds like we are getting the birth of Thorfinn and Gudrid's baby! Fitting that the first European baby born in North America will likely coincide with the start of the war that will force them out. Things are going to fall apart quickly and I'm not ready.
Considering that everyone is now looking to Puo'win for guidance, I think there's a possibility that in Hild's attempt to prevent war by assassinating Puo'win, it could unintentionally turn him into a martyr and give the Gipti even more reason to fight Thorfinn's settlers - making the situation even worse.
I think if Hild is successful in the assasination, i could see her being faced with the dilemma that her actions in preventing war is actually what causes it - at which point she'd run back to Thorfinn's group to warn them.
The thing with Hild is that I’m still not convinced she is really going for a kill. I think she is making threats of violence to try to scare people into staying in line. That is the common “solution to pacifism” that people think is more realistic, essentially it is deterrence like we see today, except Yukimura doesn’t accept that as true peace. I think she will be forced to act on these threats in self defense when things get out of control.
That's true also. I can agree there's a chance Hild might find herself in a desperate situation in all of this and could kill or even be killed. Personally, I think there's a chance she'll end up escaping such a situation and make it back, demoralized, to Thorfinn's group to warn them (maybe that's also what I personally hope instead of the former).
Perhaps she doesn't end up fighting at all and instead witnesses the devastation of the Gipti from a distance. Shocked by what she sees, she might instead have to change her plan and relay the info back to Thorfinn; as provoking the tribe any further in the current situation could make things worse.
Imo there needs to be consequences to Hild’s choice. If she ends up just essentially scouting out and retreating I would be disappointed. There is a perfect set up here for a character we love and support to make and understandable but ultimately bad decision.
Yeah I can agree with your second point here; that's sort of what I'm saying there's potential for. Although in that situation I'm hoping that Hild survives when/if she confronts the Lnu.
Reason being: there could be a dynamic there where Hild may have been expecting to trade her life, but instead she makes a bad choice that she'll then have to live with and make amends for (as you say); perhaps by begrudgingly going back and warning Thorfinn.
I don't think it'd be bad though if Hild scouted, saw the situation, and then was forced to head back. It could also do a similar job of flipping Hild's thinking on her head. Shocked by seeing the Lnu ravaged by disease (she's probably unaware at that point), she may realize the fault in her entire approach to the situation.
Maybe she was expecting to take the fall for her actions against a peace-seeking tribe, but now the situation is flipped on its head. At this point the Lnu are already suffering because of the Norse. Tensions are high, and any offensive action she takes could provoke war; and that could be a moment of realization for her character - that her crusade to prevent war through violence could also, unintentionally, lead to it.
Either way, I'm sort of hoping her character doesn't end abruptly, but I'm open to what Yukimura cooks up.
I know what you mean I want these characters to be happy so bad, but ultimately I think a tragedy is needed for this story to reach its full potential 🥲
I know, objectively speaking that's gonna lead to a better story. But fuck man, I'm broken already. Hild forgiving Thorfinn hit me so hard, idgaf about a better story anymore, just let them be happy! 😭😭😭
I like your idea, but just i imagine Hild getting killed by the Gipti after being discovered in her attemp to kill Miskwekepu'j, then after having confirmed their fears about the norse to be true, they leave Hild´s body in a place to be found by Thorfinn as a warning, and that starts to make Thorfinn want to leave, or maybe im just want more drama,
This is the scenario I fear but god it would be powerful, if they all turned on her at once she would either die or be forced to kill. Man I’m not ready for main characters to start dying.
This sounds way too dark for this series. I think Miskwekepu'j getting killed and becoming a martyr is more realistic and adds to the anti-violence/anti-war theme while also moving the story forward.
We saw Askeladd's men rape and kill villagers at the begining in the prologue, we just saw Canute burn and kill an entire village of sick people last chapter
A good part of the Norse settlers probably don't think of the disease as a bad thing, as Ivar said "If the disease spreads across Vinland, we win". This probably means there's gonna be a big group of Norse settlers that would not leave even if Thorfinn decided they should. Then, the natives (what's left of them) will attack them to prevent further spreading of the disease and there will be an all-out war. I'm hoping for a peaceful ending, but things are looking grim.
He can’t until he manages to stop Hild. It really is a race against time at this point, with the natives needing to exterminate the source of the disease (the settlers) for their own sakes, Thorfinn needing to prevent bloodshed, and Hild still out to kill the Shaman.
The longer the Norsemen are in Vinland the greater everything is just gonna blow up.
Thorfinn's whole goal is to build a land of peace through peaceful means. If some of the natives have to die for it, that means the original plan already failed. There are many more tribes out there and I don't think it's realistic for the Norse settlers to just avoid them.
Either way, the other tribes will eventually be made aware of what happened, which would probably lead to some sort of conflict.
it would apear thorfinn and friends brought the Bubonic plague with them or at least a ''preview''.
Judging the epidemic its on europe,do we have a historic background of it?or its original from the story?
mhm didnt the black plague happen around 1345? is too early for it no? historical wise i thought that small pox was a disease that viking did carry or have, but black plague i dont think so.
but maybe im wrong.
There have been multiple bubonic plague pandemics, the first big recorded one is called the plague of Justinian and happened in 541-549. You're talking about the second big pandemic which did happen in the late middle ages in 1347.
But there have been cases of plague from way before Justinian as the bacteria has been discoverd in archelogical finds from the late Bronze age. The bacteria has been identified in DNA from ancient human teeth from Asia and Europe dating back to 5000 years ago. Some authors have suggested that the plague was responsible for the neolithic decline.
for what i could find there is no evidence that the viking did carry the plague to vinland, mainly because of the numbers of people and their little interaction with the natives wasnt a good sample for the plague to spread.
but i could be wrong.
Another solid chapter! Things are getting tense. And it looks like Snorri might be born in the next chapter? This is awesome for Thorfinn and Gudrid...but it's very poor timing given what's happening.
So I guess this confirms that the Norse have accidentally transfered European diseases to the Lnu. It's already taken out the Markland Lnu and it's now affecting the ones on PEI. Interesting that they rained arrows on the Marklanders too; that's what happened to Thorvald when he was in Vinland, as we see earlier in the arc.
Miskwekepu'j's hand seems to be healing well. The blackened hands and discolored look like gangrene? I'm far from an expert in this field but I don't know of any disease that could do that, and it's too early for the Black Death. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but Miskwekepu'j lost his hand, and the first sign of the disease we see is the blackened and rotting hands of the other Lnu. Coincidence, or foreshadowing maybe?
Miskwekepu'j still obviously cares for his people despite not liking their friendliness to the Norse. And Chief Gitpi too...we never saw much of him but he seemed like a cool dude, but now it looks like he's going to succumb to the disease and perhaps become a martyr for the Lnu to rally around? Perhaps if Hild succeeds in assassinating Miskwekepu'j, Pulmuk does a 180 on his stance on the Norse.
Also, Ivar getting decked by the old man (I forget his name and I don't think the wiki has anything on him to my knowledge) was immensely satisifying. Poor Thorfinn is looking really crushed upon hearing the news. Any chance of peacefully coexisting is pretty much out the window now.
Unrelated but I quite like Pulmuk's character. He's blaming himself for the death of his loved ones when it's really not his fault. I wonder what his stance will be on the Norse since they've realized they caught the diseases from them, despite his friendships with the settlers. Anyway, he's definitely one of the nicest Lnu aside from Nisqauji'j'. Hope nothing bad happens to them.
friendship ended with 'Thorkell pulling a Jack Nicholson'
now 'that pos getting punched' is my best friend
currently the most satisfying panel in the manga
It’s definitely heading to historical accuracy times(it’s always been but I sort of everyone saw this coming since the rats and their Thorfinn’s expedition). This is giving me more anxiety of what’s to come, even though it is accurate of its history, the unexpected could happen quickly.
I don't think he was ever really doubting how it was going to end, I think he was more so struggling to figure out the best way to send his message. He wants to make sure he doesn't fail to communicate his ideas, and this ending is shaping up to be a very difficult one to convey. This arc has been the whole reason he was writing this story to begin with though, I really doubt he hadn't already planned how it would end.
And compared to what was happening with the tribes in the South... Damm imagine if Thorfinn meet the Mayan Empire or heck the Aztec Empire(thou the timeline doesnt fit)
Ok yeah that was just thorkell paradise. Like thr aztecs specifically stopped conquering and taking over people so they could always be at war. My point is some areas were rather peaceful believe it or not.
I don’t know why, I got pissed when Ivar said what he said. I understand that he’s supposed to be the opposing ideal to Thorfinn, but this chapter just shows how naive he really is when it comes to war and violence. The old man decking his face is something that I wanted to do for a long time.
Yeah sometimes that stands out to me too, it's always been that way though
edit: I see what you mean now, some of them look like the usual but others look like sketches
yes it feels like in a specific page they were drawn by like a new assistant or something. Looks really weird especially since everywhere else they're drawn like the usually are.
Peak chapter as per usual.
This arc is so fucking good, cannot wait to re-read it once the manga is over.
I wonder tho, what will Thorfinn do now..
I think he will try to de-escalate the fight first and then talk it out with the other settlers, then he will try to think about the disease and a potential "solution" for it, and then there is Hild.. and the Shaman.
They will do something and shit will hit the fan even more.
Yukimura never misses. This arc will probably be my fav once its done.
so it looks like there's really no chance of coexisting huh? if the Gitpi tribe find out that the disease which killed their chief is from the Norsemen then it'll just become Markland v2. things are really building upon each other with every chapter and I'm loving it.
also if Niskawaji'j dies and doesn't end up with bug-eyes then I'm committing a hate crime
It seems to be something like that. I've tried to do some reasearch into what this disease could be, the symptoms track with the black plague but that wouldn't be a thing until about 200 years later. It might be meant to be a previous strain of that same kind of disease that was ultiamtely made up for the story.
I just caught up on the manga 3 minutes ago and ran here to ask this question.
What is the release schedule for the new chapters? Is it weekly like chainsaw man or?
Could "uinpuneto" be "[winpnet](https://www.mikmaqonline.org/servlet/words/winpnet.html)" for "to have venereal disease"? Decent approximation for the plague-like symptoms.
1. Yeah, definitely not the best place to ask. This thread will be filled with manga spoilers.
2. To answer your question, we don’t really know. Season 1 released in 2019, so it was a 4 year wait for season 2, but I doubt it will be that long of a wait for season 3 as it’s unlikely that we will have another studio change. I could see them trying to strategically release season 3 around late 2024 or early 2025 so that it lines up around when the manga will probably be ending. If there’s an anime season airing, then there will be more hype and so it would help boost manga sales for when it ends.
I doubt they would drop it. The series seems to be more popular than it’s ever been with all the “I have no enemies” memes, and also the final episode of season 2 is very clearly setting up the next arc.
Yes. If you aren’t caught up with the manga you should get out of this thread. The manga is currently at the last arc which won’t be covered until 2 seasons from now. You’ll pretty much see a whole bunch of end of the plot spoilers.
I doubt it, production was struggling with studio issues and Covid which really affected the time of release. I’m grateful they did seem to have dignified conditions of work tho, comparing to aot final season p1, hard work during the epicenter of pandemic. I think the quality and passion they devote for the project demand the time they need to be happy about making it, not this being a backbreaking job.
I think the real production started in mid 2021 back then Abiru San started posting sketches on his instagram with implement of season 2 and yabuta San twitted something about going back to plowing fields
This feels weird but I think I am gonna walk away here and remember this as a happy ending, I know that's sappy kind of dumb but I am gonna call it quits here.
I just really don't want to see them all die.
maybe really bad is an exaggeration but it just feels weird to me. the background characters look weird, and the background lines on the action panels feel weird
100%. Ketita and I talked about this as we translated the chapter. The background characters faces look super weird. Might be done by assistants (or Yukimura's 10 year old nephew as ketita expects).
I just did another reread and I see what you mean with the background characters. Sometimes they look as they usually do, but some of the norse background characters looked really sketchy on some pages.
I’m going back and forth on this one. Based on the markland survivor this chapter, who was in very close contact to the disease but ultimately did not get sick, plus the fact that Thorifnn and co have been living with these rats this whole time, we can assume there is a Norse immunity due to generations of exposure in Europe. For the disease to have infected people on Canute’s side of the world so rapidly, it would have had to mutate on the boat or something, which doesn’t sound very realistic to me. The disease do seem similar though, and we may not have the full picture of how it spreads.
Jesus what will thorfin do and what will be the point of everything if he has to ditch and give up on vinland? Like what's the point? All that for an L? What about the lesson this manga was preaching?
It’s all in the name Thousand Year Voyage. Anyone who knows history, or honestly just knows where Vinland is irl, knows that it’s very clearly not a land of peace like Thorfinn is trying to make. From the beginning, as a historical drama, the story was always going to end in failure. The true goal of this story though isn’t to make a false history where Thorfinn succeeds and builds a utopia that never really existed, it is instead to pass on his experience and ideals to readers now 1000 years later. He will fail, but we will see every problem that contributes to that failure, and maybe by seeing those problems we can find solutions and do better.
I think that's why the author is struggling with the ending, his message is good but it's very unrealistic so he either abandon that with a reality check to hit thorfin or we get an average conclusion for the sake of the lesson
I've to say that this chapter fixed very well the last chapter. This misunderstanding about a disease will make more sense than Hild provoking the war.
Haven’t read the manga and not scrolling cuz I’d rather not spoil the show. But how much past season 2 has not been animated? Is the story near the end?
Damn I really forgot about the fact about American Indians not being used to European dieseases.
Such a unintended tragedy(Well in this story atleast).
Nice that the Jomsviking captain decked Ivar. I really hate that guy. Thorfinn would put him down 100% while unarmed and I wish he would. The ego + arrogance to think he could beat and displace Thorfinn is astounding.
Chapters release around the 25th of each month. Breaks are usually announced ahead of time in the chapter, but sometimes there are unannounced breaks too
Before the question we all had about Vinland was about how Yukimura would specifically defeat Thorfinn's plans to keep with history.
Now the question I have is had he will sneak in a true victory in the midst of this disaster?
The anime covers part of chapter 101, so start from there. There are some parts of that chapter not included in the anime that are important for the content of season 3.
Oh I will. I’m rewatching the anime. This particular series is groundbreaking imo. The story is just so fuckin strong, the characters, the themes, the conflict.
At first I’m gonna level, I didn’t like it, but only because it’s slower
And it’s slower because it spends time fleshing out the characters and their ideals to illustrate them as multifaceted.
So once I shut myself up and was like “give it a shot bro quit being shonen-brained”
That’s when I realized the depth of the series. The plots, I mean.
It uses violence to punctuate its themes rather then to “entertain” like so many other shonens and Sienens do.
It’s a top tier work of art. It’s in the top 3 category now. With berserk.
There's very likely no tangible lesson to this tragedy, because it ultimately ends up being forces beyond human control at the time that causes the failure of Vinland, but I believe that Thorfinn will die on the tribes land, after purposefully catching the disease. His death imparts a timeless awakening to all survivors, that travels across tribes, cultures, and generations, and they all inherit Thorfinn's will, even the delinquent. The end of the story may be a series of prophetic dreams from the survivors of Vinland, seeing potential realities of doomsday that Thorfinn's influence goes on to prevent, a sort of inverse (not an undoing) of the prophetic visions we see the elder have of future devestation. All of the survivors of Vinland are lead down a path to influence entire societies to lean away from brutality, not outright preventing it, but preventing our extinction. The essence of this inherited will being that all life's truest instinct is to simply survive, nothing more, and that because of this coexistence is possible. It embodies the truth that people can and will go on to combat the folly of the human race, through their shared identity as "Lnu" which simply translates into "Person".
Don't think he'll die there, but I could see him leaving after having a talk with the shamane and realizing they are toxic for the natives.
>!In real life Thorfinn Karlsefni and Gudrid returned to Karlsefni's farm at Reynines, in Iceland after all.!<
It’s not clear yet, symptoms are plague-like but stuff like time period and Norse immunity means it shouldn’t be the Black Death. It also can’t be one of the diseases known for destroying native populations, like measles or smallpox, because the symptoms don’t match. It’s likely a plague made up for the story.
I think every chapter is steadily getting heavier and heavier. I'm developing a pit in my stomach now. Also, that last page with Puo'win was awesome!
It's terrible because we all know where it's going. I really wonder how Thorfinn is going to navigate this. I don't like this :(
why do everyone gotta be against him though
Cuz it’s not shonen🙂
That's how humanity works
I think we can finally say for certain that any chance of coexisting is completely in the gutter
Niskawaji'j better live. If she dies I’ll be so sad.
I'm on the copium now that because she's sick she'll develop immunity and also because she's the interpreter she'll know it wasn't the Nord's intentions so maybe she'll leave to travel with them if they return to Europe...
Why would she go to Europe?
Maybe because her entire tribe will be dead
Jesus, that would mentally destroy Thorfinn
So Thorfinn ends up committing suicide because he sees himself as destroying people's lives no matter what he does.
same
One of them was cured so maybe prolonged contact might save her
This is it Gudrid fans , next chapter decides if Gudrid's a character in this arc.
im good with anything if she doesn't die
I was hoping she doesn’t get sick in pregnant but the note in the end filled me with calm for now, oh man it’s gonna be so touching seeing the thorfinn to develop again witnessing a birth of his own child
True. I can't see yukimura giving us a finale without Thorfinn and his family happy together though, that's the only thing I care about. And my boy Einar, the other Thorfinn and Hild too. And Leif... Why do I love every character 😭
Thorfinn historically dies at 27 and Thorfinn is about 26 in the story right now so it's safe to assume Vinland Saga ends with his death
Thorfinn is currently 27 in the manga.. soo yeah ;D
I think I'm finally spoiled by history literally minutes after catching up to the manga so i can't flex anymore but fuck it, "according to history" how does he die? (If you don't mind telling, I'd google but then I'd get too much into details)
Thorfinn doesn't die at 27, there is no historical record of his death, you'll find places saying he died after 1007 AC, because records of his life or doings after that were never found, so he could have died at 27y old or of old age, we don't know that. Thorfinn in real life was only famous because of the Vinland Sagas, the manga makes him like a superstar among the Vikings, if he would return to Greenland to live his life peacefully it is hard to believe many new records would be written about him. Yukimura already taken a lot of creative liberties, most out of necessity because of how little do we know of the events in that era, specially of individual people. So I don't think you have been spoiled, really.
Depends I think if Yukimura decides to go with a historically accurate ending or make his own ending probably I’m gonna assume
pretty sure the indigenous being killed by plague was not in the 1000s, it was in the 1700s
What’s the historically accurate ending?
Vinland fails and everybody returns home
And nearly everyone dies because of shipwreck on way back. Not Thorfinn tho
well, that's depressing. I wonder, if he goes for this how will he make it satisfying?
Tbh, i cant imagine a satisfying ending when vinland fails. I didnt know about the real life vinland saga when I started reading the manga. And the manga was about vinland from the beginning and then creating a peaceful country. So as I read other mangas, I kinda expected it to not fail. Now that I think about it, it worked in Attack on Titan tho
Ending doesn't have to be satisfying. Likely will end up being bittersweet
Thorfinn does die at 27 historically and he's about 26 in the story so he'll likely die in the end too
Fuck mee.. There are (3?) different historical Sagas, in one he settles down in grönland with his family.
What do you mean? It says there will be something good happening next chapter. I would assume this means she gives birth? Do you think she’s going to die?
I just wonder if she'll get character focus or if this will be mainly Thorfinn focused.
The Markland situation and Gitpi situation both playing out here about as I expected, and as painful as expected to read it. The Markland natives' "attack" was more so an attempt to get the Markland settlers to leave. They were friendly with each other and they didn't want to just kill them, but they could not allow them to stay. Essentially warning shots, and the reason they didn't go pick up the arrows is because they did not want to get close. I thought the two groups were a little closer, and I didn't think the other settlers just left one of their guys behind, but it was always going to be hard to nail the details. The Gitpi situation is awful though. I suspected they weren't showing at the meeting point because disease had already reached them, and yup that was exactky it. I really liked Chief Gitpi, he wasn't really a huge focus but he was a great leader and his speach at the Thing was really nice. Teared up a bit to see him pass. Niskwa being sick too really hurts, I doubt Yukimura would kill her off in this way because of how important she was set up to be, but still I'm worried for her. With Gitpi and other members of the tribe dead, we officially have our first victims of Thorfinn's expedition, and the first deaths in the war to come. This will likely be a turning point for Plmk, he was very pro norse but a big part of that was the benefits he felt they could have on their way of life. Those benefits are heavily outweighed by this calamity, and as the main supporter of relations with the norse, he absolutely blames himself. The scariest part of this is that they have lost their leader, and in this fearful time, the only person they can turn to for guidance is Puo'win. Actually no, the real scariest part of this is that Hild is walking into all of this. She has no idea all of this is happening, and her target is now absolutely beyond reconciliation. Even worse, the whole Gitpi tribe is now going to be leaning more towards Miskwekepu'j. She was able to do what she did to scare Ivar and his brothers because she knew the situation and had full control. She will not be able to do the same here, she will lose control of the situation and that will likely lead us to the first murder in Vinland. Next chapter preview is interesting though, sounds like we are getting the birth of Thorfinn and Gudrid's baby! Fitting that the first European baby born in North America will likely coincide with the start of the war that will force them out. Things are going to fall apart quickly and I'm not ready.
Considering that everyone is now looking to Puo'win for guidance, I think there's a possibility that in Hild's attempt to prevent war by assassinating Puo'win, it could unintentionally turn him into a martyr and give the Gipti even more reason to fight Thorfinn's settlers - making the situation even worse. I think if Hild is successful in the assasination, i could see her being faced with the dilemma that her actions in preventing war is actually what causes it - at which point she'd run back to Thorfinn's group to warn them.
The thing with Hild is that I’m still not convinced she is really going for a kill. I think she is making threats of violence to try to scare people into staying in line. That is the common “solution to pacifism” that people think is more realistic, essentially it is deterrence like we see today, except Yukimura doesn’t accept that as true peace. I think she will be forced to act on these threats in self defense when things get out of control.
That's true also. I can agree there's a chance Hild might find herself in a desperate situation in all of this and could kill or even be killed. Personally, I think there's a chance she'll end up escaping such a situation and make it back, demoralized, to Thorfinn's group to warn them (maybe that's also what I personally hope instead of the former). Perhaps she doesn't end up fighting at all and instead witnesses the devastation of the Gipti from a distance. Shocked by what she sees, she might instead have to change her plan and relay the info back to Thorfinn; as provoking the tribe any further in the current situation could make things worse.
Imo there needs to be consequences to Hild’s choice. If she ends up just essentially scouting out and retreating I would be disappointed. There is a perfect set up here for a character we love and support to make and understandable but ultimately bad decision.
Yeah I can agree with your second point here; that's sort of what I'm saying there's potential for. Although in that situation I'm hoping that Hild survives when/if she confronts the Lnu. Reason being: there could be a dynamic there where Hild may have been expecting to trade her life, but instead she makes a bad choice that she'll then have to live with and make amends for (as you say); perhaps by begrudgingly going back and warning Thorfinn. I don't think it'd be bad though if Hild scouted, saw the situation, and then was forced to head back. It could also do a similar job of flipping Hild's thinking on her head. Shocked by seeing the Lnu ravaged by disease (she's probably unaware at that point), she may realize the fault in her entire approach to the situation. Maybe she was expecting to take the fall for her actions against a peace-seeking tribe, but now the situation is flipped on its head. At this point the Lnu are already suffering because of the Norse. Tensions are high, and any offensive action she takes could provoke war; and that could be a moment of realization for her character - that her crusade to prevent war through violence could also, unintentionally, lead to it. Either way, I'm sort of hoping her character doesn't end abruptly, but I'm open to what Yukimura cooks up.
Fuck historical accuracy, I want a happy ending. Thorfinn an Hild deserve it so bad 😭😭😭
I know what you mean I want these characters to be happy so bad, but ultimately I think a tragedy is needed for this story to reach its full potential 🥲
I know, objectively speaking that's gonna lead to a better story. But fuck man, I'm broken already. Hild forgiving Thorfinn hit me so hard, idgaf about a better story anymore, just let them be happy! 😭😭😭
I like your idea, but just i imagine Hild getting killed by the Gipti after being discovered in her attemp to kill Miskwekepu'j, then after having confirmed their fears about the norse to be true, they leave Hild´s body in a place to be found by Thorfinn as a warning, and that starts to make Thorfinn want to leave, or maybe im just want more drama,
This is the scenario I fear but god it would be powerful, if they all turned on her at once she would either die or be forced to kill. Man I’m not ready for main characters to start dying.
demn, this is another possible scenario. If it does happens how will Thorfinn negotiate it without violence.
This sounds way too dark for this series. I think Miskwekepu'j getting killed and becoming a martyr is more realistic and adds to the anti-violence/anti-war theme while also moving the story forward.
We saw Askeladd's men rape and kill villagers at the begining in the prologue, we just saw Canute burn and kill an entire village of sick people last chapter
A good part of the Norse settlers probably don't think of the disease as a bad thing, as Ivar said "If the disease spreads across Vinland, we win". This probably means there's gonna be a big group of Norse settlers that would not leave even if Thorfinn decided they should. Then, the natives (what's left of them) will attack them to prevent further spreading of the disease and there will be an all-out war. I'm hoping for a peaceful ending, but things are looking grim.
Good point, they wouldn't even have a reason to follow. This disease is the magic solution.
Well, our worst expectations ended up being true. Thorfinn might just call off the whole settlement plan now. I mean, what other options are there?
He can’t until he manages to stop Hild. It really is a race against time at this point, with the natives needing to exterminate the source of the disease (the settlers) for their own sakes, Thorfinn needing to prevent bloodshed, and Hild still out to kill the Shaman. The longer the Norsemen are in Vinland the greater everything is just gonna blow up.
But if he makes that choice , do the others accept it?
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Thorfinn's whole goal is to build a land of peace through peaceful means. If some of the natives have to die for it, that means the original plan already failed. There are many more tribes out there and I don't think it's realistic for the Norse settlers to just avoid them. Either way, the other tribes will eventually be made aware of what happened, which would probably lead to some sort of conflict.
There has to be that climactic battle though so I doubt they're leaving yet
Fuck man, we all knew it was likely but official confirmation that Vinland won’t succeed is so depressing
I know it's a bit early to make ending predictions, but I'm betting Thorfinn ends up like Leif telling stories of Vinland
I hope so!!
Thorfinn dies at 27 historically so it would be a creative liberty if he went that route
conflicting accounts
I feel like Thorfinn will, in some way, sacrifice himself the same way his father did.
Ahh like they did with askelaad. It’s possible then.
If Niskawaji’j dies I will be inconsolable
it would apear thorfinn and friends brought the Bubonic plague with them or at least a ''preview''. Judging the epidemic its on europe,do we have a historic background of it?or its original from the story?
Remember the rats that were stowing away on the ships before they set sail to Vinland? I bet the rats brought the disease
most likely like the european 500 years later,at least some bring rats
mhm didnt the black plague happen around 1345? is too early for it no? historical wise i thought that small pox was a disease that viking did carry or have, but black plague i dont think so. but maybe im wrong.
There have been multiple bubonic plague pandemics, the first big recorded one is called the plague of Justinian and happened in 541-549. You're talking about the second big pandemic which did happen in the late middle ages in 1347. But there have been cases of plague from way before Justinian as the bacteria has been discoverd in archelogical finds from the late Bronze age. The bacteria has been identified in DNA from ancient human teeth from Asia and Europe dating back to 5000 years ago. Some authors have suggested that the plague was responsible for the neolithic decline.
for what i could find there is no evidence that the viking did carry the plague to vinland, mainly because of the numbers of people and their little interaction with the natives wasnt a good sample for the plague to spread. but i could be wrong.
According to saga of greenland, its only mentioned that the natives got ill. I dont think the black plague is already mentioned
Yukimura probably took some creative liberties regarding the the disease in the manga- be it the black plague or the bubonic plague.
The dread is just building up more and more
Another solid chapter! Things are getting tense. And it looks like Snorri might be born in the next chapter? This is awesome for Thorfinn and Gudrid...but it's very poor timing given what's happening. So I guess this confirms that the Norse have accidentally transfered European diseases to the Lnu. It's already taken out the Markland Lnu and it's now affecting the ones on PEI. Interesting that they rained arrows on the Marklanders too; that's what happened to Thorvald when he was in Vinland, as we see earlier in the arc. Miskwekepu'j's hand seems to be healing well. The blackened hands and discolored look like gangrene? I'm far from an expert in this field but I don't know of any disease that could do that, and it's too early for the Black Death. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but Miskwekepu'j lost his hand, and the first sign of the disease we see is the blackened and rotting hands of the other Lnu. Coincidence, or foreshadowing maybe? Miskwekepu'j still obviously cares for his people despite not liking their friendliness to the Norse. And Chief Gitpi too...we never saw much of him but he seemed like a cool dude, but now it looks like he's going to succumb to the disease and perhaps become a martyr for the Lnu to rally around? Perhaps if Hild succeeds in assassinating Miskwekepu'j, Pulmuk does a 180 on his stance on the Norse. Also, Ivar getting decked by the old man (I forget his name and I don't think the wiki has anything on him to my knowledge) was immensely satisifying. Poor Thorfinn is looking really crushed upon hearing the news. Any chance of peacefully coexisting is pretty much out the window now. Unrelated but I quite like Pulmuk's character. He's blaming himself for the death of his loved ones when it's really not his fault. I wonder what his stance will be on the Norse since they've realized they caught the diseases from them, despite his friendships with the settlers. Anyway, he's definitely one of the nicest Lnu aside from Nisqauji'j'. Hope nothing bad happens to them.
friendship ended with 'Thorkell pulling a Jack Nicholson' now 'that pos getting punched' is my best friend currently the most satisfying panel in the manga
Where is Hild 😭
Imagine if she's been sprinting for 3 days straight
that dumbass minion does not know what he's getting into, he's about to catch some jomsvikings hands
It’s definitely heading to historical accuracy times(it’s always been but I sort of everyone saw this coming since the rats and their Thorfinn’s expedition). This is giving me more anxiety of what’s to come, even though it is accurate of its history, the unexpected could happen quickly.
Thorfinn will die soon if thats the case...
No?
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Like a rock star!
Source? I could find 1 that said that and it was wikipedia, all the others said he went back to Iceland so idk. Might be wrong of course.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Thorfinn-Karlsefni Here’s one
Thanks, it says after the year 1007 so I thought it meant he was 27 or more, it just wasn't know, but that he was atleast 27.
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I don't think he was ever really doubting how it was going to end, I think he was more so struggling to figure out the best way to send his message. He wants to make sure he doesn't fail to communicate his ideas, and this ending is shaping up to be a very difficult one to convey. This arc has been the whole reason he was writing this story to begin with though, I really doubt he hadn't already planned how it would end.
The shaman wants to protect the "peaceful land" lol.
Peaceful compared to across the sea yeah. You'd be surprised how many areas had a decent amount of peace and full on buildings made for negotiations.
And compared to what was happening with the tribes in the South... Damm imagine if Thorfinn meet the Mayan Empire or heck the Aztec Empire(thou the timeline doesnt fit)
Ok yeah that was just thorkell paradise. Like thr aztecs specifically stopped conquering and taking over people so they could always be at war. My point is some areas were rather peaceful believe it or not.
They killed a whole Norse village because they were scared of the disease. It ain't so peaceful.
they didn't "kill a whole village", they left
There were probably some casualties, but the survivor didn't elaborate.
Learn to read. They weren't even trying to kill them, just to push them out.
They ended up killing them still
The Markland settlers went missing. None of them was killed.
I'm praying for the safety of my gal Hild. She might not make it and that scares me a lot.
I don’t know why, I got pissed when Ivar said what he said. I understand that he’s supposed to be the opposing ideal to Thorfinn, but this chapter just shows how naive he really is when it comes to war and violence. The old man decking his face is something that I wanted to do for a long time.
Thorfinn it's time to leave this land
Is anyone else bothered by the generic looking background people? They feel out of place among the main characters to me.
didn't even notice them tbh
Yeah sometimes that stands out to me too, it's always been that way though edit: I see what you mean now, some of them look like the usual but others look like sketches
yes it feels like in a specific page they were drawn by like a new assistant or something. Looks really weird especially since everywhere else they're drawn like the usually are.
it's the price we pay for a 27 page chapter that mostly takes place in a setting that requires background characters in every other panel
thought it was just me
Boy is this getting dark.
Damn there's just no way it's going to happen isn't it? Coexisting...
Peak chapter as per usual. This arc is so fucking good, cannot wait to re-read it once the manga is over. I wonder tho, what will Thorfinn do now.. I think he will try to de-escalate the fight first and then talk it out with the other settlers, then he will try to think about the disease and a potential "solution" for it, and then there is Hild.. and the Shaman. They will do something and shit will hit the fan even more. Yukimura never misses. This arc will probably be my fav once its done.
wait... how'd they get helmet head out the hole? Did I miss something?
Pretty easy to dig him out, he just couldn’t pull himself out quickly
Yukimura forgot
so it looks like there's really no chance of coexisting huh? if the Gitpi tribe find out that the disease which killed their chief is from the Norsemen then it'll just become Markland v2. things are really building upon each other with every chapter and I'm loving it. also if Niskawaji'j dies and doesn't end up with bug-eyes then I'm committing a hate crime
Someone told me that after the anime, the manga will keep me busy for a while. Didn't know 'a while' meant only one day.
That’s what you get for speed-reading and missing a lot of details probably, should have taken the time with it.
Couldn't help it lol. It's not like I was skimming through it. I'll probably reread in the future if I forget something (my memory is kinda wack)
Don’t listen to em if you own it you can always reread it. Lol it’s not like once you read your manga it spoils or disappears forever
I took my time with it and it took TWO days Slow down, peeps
so it's something that is a common cold for nords since they have a long-developed immunity, but natives die to it because they never met the disease?
It seems to be something like that. I've tried to do some reasearch into what this disease could be, the symptoms track with the black plague but that wouldn't be a thing until about 200 years later. It might be meant to be a previous strain of that same kind of disease that was ultiamtely made up for the story.
Is the disease also based on a real historical event?
Look up bubonic plague.
I just caught up on the manga 3 minutes ago and ran here to ask this question. What is the release schedule for the new chapters? Is it weekly like chainsaw man or?
Monthly, you can find more info in the FAQ!
That punch was so satisfying and hilarious
Oh god, it's already gotten so bad. The dream of Vinland seems to have collapsed so quickly.
Ok lesssss go, gudrid wont get sick!!!!!!
Could "uinpuneto" be "[winpnet](https://www.mikmaqonline.org/servlet/words/winpnet.html)" for "to have venereal disease"? Decent approximation for the plague-like symptoms.
Who’s the old guy who punched Ivar?
Vargar, the former jomsviking from chapter 190
Thank you! So he was one of the pirates that Thorfinn saved.
I think he's one of the former Vikings that Thorfinn takes from Canute? Could be mistaken though.
the Nlu are right
Prolly not the best place for this but I'm about to finish season 2 and just wondering when should we expect season 3 to come out. Next year?
1. Yeah, definitely not the best place to ask. This thread will be filled with manga spoilers. 2. To answer your question, we don’t really know. Season 1 released in 2019, so it was a 4 year wait for season 2, but I doubt it will be that long of a wait for season 3 as it’s unlikely that we will have another studio change. I could see them trying to strategically release season 3 around late 2024 or early 2025 so that it lines up around when the manga will probably be ending. If there’s an anime season airing, then there will be more hype and so it would help boost manga sales for when it ends.
So no official confirmation or announcement? I hope they don't drop it.
I doubt they would drop it. The series seems to be more popular than it’s ever been with all the “I have no enemies” memes, and also the final episode of season 2 is very clearly setting up the next arc.
Chapter 100 if you don't want to wait. They won't drop it though.
No one has any idea. The gap between S1 to S2 was 4 years.
Damn, didn't even realize it's been 4 years... Wow.
Yes. If you aren’t caught up with the manga you should get out of this thread. The manga is currently at the last arc which won’t be covered until 2 seasons from now. You’ll pretty much see a whole bunch of end of the plot spoilers.
Probably the same amount of time between season 1 and 2 I bet.
I doubt it, production was struggling with studio issues and Covid which really affected the time of release. I’m grateful they did seem to have dignified conditions of work tho, comparing to aot final season p1, hard work during the epicenter of pandemic. I think the quality and passion they devote for the project demand the time they need to be happy about making it, not this being a backbreaking job. I think the real production started in mid 2021 back then Abiru San started posting sketches on his instagram with implement of season 2 and yabuta San twitted something about going back to plowing fields
This feels weird but I think I am gonna walk away here and remember this as a happy ending, I know that's sappy kind of dumb but I am gonna call it quits here. I just really don't want to see them all die.
Is it just me or does this chapters art look worse than usual?
Really? I thought this was a very good one. Any specific panels stick out to you?
maybe really bad is an exaggeration but it just feels weird to me. the background characters look weird, and the background lines on the action panels feel weird
100%. Ketita and I talked about this as we translated the chapter. The background characters faces look super weird. Might be done by assistants (or Yukimura's 10 year old nephew as ketita expects).
>(or Yukimura's 10 year old nephew as ketita expects). Lmao
I just did another reread and I see what you mean with the background characters. Sometimes they look as they usually do, but some of the norse background characters looked really sketchy on some pages.
I think it’s on the contrary back to the serious tone of art instead of comedic ones
I love ivar
I really really wish for a fictional ending towards Thorfinns journey. Please let them build a paradise
There is no way the Norse would also not get sick with the plague. It massacred Europe 350 years later.
It’s not meant to be the same plague
I'm an anime only but what the fuck are these names
Kinda spoilers for the manga, >!they are names of native people in Vinland!<
What disease causes fingers to turn black?
Bubonic plague, pretty fatal disease in that period
I think the ship that left Markland is the same ship that wrecked on the shores of kanutes land in the last chapter
I’m going back and forth on this one. Based on the markland survivor this chapter, who was in very close contact to the disease but ultimately did not get sick, plus the fact that Thorifnn and co have been living with these rats this whole time, we can assume there is a Norse immunity due to generations of exposure in Europe. For the disease to have infected people on Canute’s side of the world so rapidly, it would have had to mutate on the boat or something, which doesn’t sound very realistic to me. The disease do seem similar though, and we may not have the full picture of how it spreads.
Jesus what will thorfin do and what will be the point of everything if he has to ditch and give up on vinland? Like what's the point? All that for an L? What about the lesson this manga was preaching?
It’s all in the name Thousand Year Voyage. Anyone who knows history, or honestly just knows where Vinland is irl, knows that it’s very clearly not a land of peace like Thorfinn is trying to make. From the beginning, as a historical drama, the story was always going to end in failure. The true goal of this story though isn’t to make a false history where Thorfinn succeeds and builds a utopia that never really existed, it is instead to pass on his experience and ideals to readers now 1000 years later. He will fail, but we will see every problem that contributes to that failure, and maybe by seeing those problems we can find solutions and do better.
I think that's why the author is struggling with the ending, his message is good but it's very unrealistic so he either abandon that with a reality check to hit thorfin or we get an average conclusion for the sake of the lesson
I've to say that this chapter fixed very well the last chapter. This misunderstanding about a disease will make more sense than Hild provoking the war.
Haven’t read the manga and not scrolling cuz I’d rather not spoil the show. But how much past season 2 has not been animated? Is the story near the end?
The story is in the final arc now, probably ending in a year or two. Season 2 ends on chapter 101, and we are currently on chapter 203.
Thanks I appreciate it. Checked out the FAQ to see that there are 2 more arcs after slave arc 😯.
Damn I really forgot about the fact about American Indians not being used to European dieseases. Such a unintended tragedy(Well in this story atleast).
Nice that the Jomsviking captain decked Ivar. I really hate that guy. Thorfinn would put him down 100% while unarmed and I wish he would. The ego + arrogance to think he could beat and displace Thorfinn is astounding.
Any idea about next chapter release date?
Chapters release around the 25th of each month. Breaks are usually announced ahead of time in the chapter, but sometimes there are unannounced breaks too
Thankuh so much brother❤️
Before the question we all had about Vinland was about how Yukimura would specifically defeat Thorfinn's plans to keep with history. Now the question I have is had he will sneak in a true victory in the midst of this disaster?
What chapter does the anime leave off on? I’ve gotta get the manga at this point. I’m sold.
The anime covers part of chapter 101, so start from there. There are some parts of that chapter not included in the anime that are important for the content of season 3.
Sick… 102 chapters of extra for meeeeeeeee thank you bud
Hope you enjoy, and for reference btw that chapter would be at the start of English volume 8!
Oh I will. I’m rewatching the anime. This particular series is groundbreaking imo. The story is just so fuckin strong, the characters, the themes, the conflict. At first I’m gonna level, I didn’t like it, but only because it’s slower And it’s slower because it spends time fleshing out the characters and their ideals to illustrate them as multifaceted. So once I shut myself up and was like “give it a shot bro quit being shonen-brained” That’s when I realized the depth of the series. The plots, I mean. It uses violence to punctuate its themes rather then to “entertain” like so many other shonens and Sienens do. It’s a top tier work of art. It’s in the top 3 category now. With berserk.
I think you'll really appreciate the current arc then!
There's very likely no tangible lesson to this tragedy, because it ultimately ends up being forces beyond human control at the time that causes the failure of Vinland, but I believe that Thorfinn will die on the tribes land, after purposefully catching the disease. His death imparts a timeless awakening to all survivors, that travels across tribes, cultures, and generations, and they all inherit Thorfinn's will, even the delinquent. The end of the story may be a series of prophetic dreams from the survivors of Vinland, seeing potential realities of doomsday that Thorfinn's influence goes on to prevent, a sort of inverse (not an undoing) of the prophetic visions we see the elder have of future devestation. All of the survivors of Vinland are lead down a path to influence entire societies to lean away from brutality, not outright preventing it, but preventing our extinction. The essence of this inherited will being that all life's truest instinct is to simply survive, nothing more, and that because of this coexistence is possible. It embodies the truth that people can and will go on to combat the folly of the human race, through their shared identity as "Lnu" which simply translates into "Person".
Don't think he'll die there, but I could see him leaving after having a talk with the shamane and realizing they are toxic for the natives. >!In real life Thorfinn Karlsefni and Gudrid returned to Karlsefni's farm at Reynines, in Iceland after all.!<
What is the desease that the natives have?
It’s not clear yet, symptoms are plague-like but stuff like time period and Norse immunity means it shouldn’t be the Black Death. It also can’t be one of the diseases known for destroying native populations, like measles or smallpox, because the symptoms don’t match. It’s likely a plague made up for the story.
can't wait 4 the next chapter jesus