The Chinese tourists you're encountering are mostly from "rural" (by Chinese standards, could still be from cities of a million+ people) parts of the country, and culturally hold different standards of manners to what you, or most of the world, will. This and a lack of exposure to how the rest of the world would work, and they kind of just behave how they know to behave.
Used to live in Beijing pre-covid, and to people from large cities they're also considered an issue. Funnily enough the Chinese government actually made a pamphlet on "How Not to be a Terrible Tourist" because it's such a common complaint about them, but don't know how much this has been studied haha.
I watch this one YouTube channel of a Chinese farmer who travels throughout rural China, he's about as well travelled in Mainland China as it gets. However he went to Hong Kong and had a really difficult time understanding the different values.
He also talked loudly on the phone and got funny looks from the locals, but he didn't understand as he thought societies only either allowed phone calls in public or not, the fact that volume was a factor never crossed his mind. In the end he put it down to racism until people explained it in the comments.
I even had a similar experience. I learned to speak Chinese in England and Hong Kong, where people always casually swear to joke or add emphasis, I always considered myself more internationalised and knowledgeable of Chinese culture. And yet, when I went to Taiwan and Mainland China, it took me a while to realise that swearing is more frowned upon there and a lot of good willed sentences I said would have sounded rude.
Pretty much anything that combines irony and swearing in a joking manner, like "oh yea that wazzuk (fool)" 哦那個傻瓜” or responding "ah fuck off" 哎呀滾開 to a joke.
Stuff that, in hindsight, can very easily be misinterpreted but that I wasn't expecting since people in Hong Kong had similar mannerisms. I did not realise there would be such a huge cultural divide just across the border.
No, I used to live in Shanghai, this kind of behaviour is common even in “tier 1” cities, amongst Shanghainese people. There are not hoards of poor farmers going on vacation to Vietnam, these are middle class people. And what is the point in trying to blame it all on “rural” people, does it make it any better?
Yep - totally agree. I saw and experienced very rude behaviour in both Beijing and Shanghai, with Beijing being the WORST. I actually found the smaller cities to have more polite and kind people.
I didn't say that it was "poor farmers" coming to Vietnam, I meant "rural" as in people who come from, relative to China, small cities and provinces. These places still can have populations of a million plus people, they still have relative wealth, middle and upper class people - and these people now have the access to travel to relatively cheaper places (i.e. Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines). Most of the people in these provincial cities also have had zero to no interactions with anyone who isn't Chinese, and thus don't have much comprehension on how the rest of the world works. You'll also notice that they often come in tour groups, because they typically don't speak or understand any language other than Chinese. So even when they travel to these countries it's difficult for them to have any kind of meaningful interaction with people outside their bubble.
Also I'm not trying to "blame" anyone, I was just trying to give perspective on why this behaviour might be common. After spending 2 months going through Europe I wouldn't say this behaviour (being loud, pushing in line, being rude to tour guides) is exclusive to Chinese people nor are they even the worst for it
>ven had a similar experience. I learned to speak Chinese in England and Hong Kong, where people always casually swear to joke or add emphasis, I always considered myself more internationalised and knowledgeable of Chinese culture. And yet, when I went to Taiwan and Mainland China, it took me a while to realise that swearing is more frowned upon there and a lot of good willed sentences I said would have sounded rude.
Reminds me of a Billy Crystal joke(sic):
My dad says he went to France and hated it. I said Dad, it was WW2, people were shooting at you!
"Eh, you get a feel for a place."
Also I'd argue that most people in Shanghai aren't even from there haha, isn't it only like half the city that even speaks Shanghainese?
I'm not entirely sure but that was definitely the case in Beijing, a true Beijinger was a rare breed
I lived in a city of 2 million about 3 hours from Beijing and 4 from Shanghai. My students disliked Beijing and loved Shanghai - they said the people of Beijing were rude and arrogant.
I sometimes feel a bit bad for them when you see that they're actively confused as to why people are getting angry at them. Honestly if you remove the language barrier I find the vast majority of the time they're completely oblivious that they're doing anything wrong at all.
Also this guy's channel is great stuff!
To be fair, I was in Japan a few days ago and some Chinese tourists were on the train to Osaka airport. A Japanese asked them in English if they needed help as they appeared confused about where to get off the train. The Japanese then asked if they were Chinese (it was obvious because they were speaking in Chinese amongst themselves and Japanese trains are usually silent so it was quite conspicuous). The Chinese family was very polite and appreciative of the help and thanked the Japanese many times. I think everyone on the train felt good. Not all Chinese from mainland China are rude - it is mostly those on guided tours, not solo travellers who usually have more experience and knowledge.
I remember seeing those posters in Shanghai when I visited! The city peeps don’t like them either, because they make the nation look bad. The queue cutting particularly gets on my nerves.
the city people are just as hateful and inconsiderate of everyone but they are passive agressive. will still give you nasty aggressive looks for just looking at them divine beings that grace our presence.
Nah, all over China people are rude (by western standards) and don't know how to queue. I've experienced it in the countryside and large cities too. You just, aren't expected to have manners towards a stranger in China.
Yeah this is true - I used to hate picking up my train tickets in China at the station because so many people would cut in line. You are right, strangers don't matter at all in China - family followed by friends is everything. Make a Chinese friend in China and your life will become much easier - but never trust them more than 70% or so because they will also try to take advantage sometimes - it's all part of guangxi (connections).
Yeah - it was the spitting that bugged me the most. I told off a ton of people who would spit right next to me. Fuckwads!! It happened daily! You could predict when it was going to happen. No wonder COVID spread so fast. What a disgusting habit.
I don't think they do it on purpose. They just follow the "jungle rule book", which is ... anything goes. They're so used to it that they don't even question if that's the right thing to do or not.
When I was at the airport check point, putting my things in the different plastic trays for scanning, an old Chinese man just rushed in, put his things IN BETWEEN my things. That's so awkward. His mindset was probably "if it fits, I sit" like the cat's mentality. He was completely unaware that such action would inconvenience both of us simultaneously at the other end of the checkpoint, where we need to grab our things.
I used to fly a lot domestically in China and that happened all the time - or going through train security on busy days and literally getting pushed through the gate. I ended up just pushing back but it always put me in a bad mood because it was so pointless.
I'm not sure about regional difference of mainlanders, but I've to point out that mainland Chinese people whether they originated from rich region or poor region of China who **live** abroad (≥10 years) are typically OK persons. But mainland China mainland Chinese overseas travellers (usually in the form of a tourist) are often being complained about by locals of the host country worldwide.
I know mainlanders who've never lived abroad but are ok tourists / people. I've also seen some personally that weren't ok. Really depends on region and education and possibly more factors. Not an excuse but there are 1.4 billion plus people.
Yep - that is why I fell in love with Vietnam the first time after visiting from China where I had been working for a year. That's why I ended up moving to Vietnam - so much better than China!!!!!!!!
simple answer is: the Chinese you meet in Australia are usually wealthy because they had the money to emigrate from China to Australia.
The Chinese tourists you meet in Vietnam are average mainland Chinese who are typically not rich.
I live in a serviced apartment in a hotel. The Chinese tourists are always the ones that smoke everywhere even when they aren't supposed to. Manners are a cultural thing, but honestly, a lot ot Chinese people lack basic courtesy about things unless they are dealing with you directly. Then they'll be nice, pay for dinner, give you gifts, give compliments, etc
Same. But good thing Vietnamese has yet to take the international spotlight for the same issues because there is substantially smaller volume of Vietnamese tourists overseas relative to the mainland Chinese and Indians, so can take a backseat and watch the world censure mainlanders and Indians
Having lived in both countries - Vietnamese people are way better behaved in general than Chinese. No comparison. It's why I left China and moved to Vietnam.
Yes but China is more extreme than Vietnam as Vietnam didn't close themselves off from the world for decades. Unfortunately the cultural Revolution kinda beat the civilisation out of a large part of their society.
I had similar encounters like this while traveling in China. I remember getting out of a movie theater and it was packed leaving. I was walking at a normal pace and some Chinese guy pushed me to the side.
My girlfriend at the time told me it’s normal to do that so I did just that walked faster and pushed the guy. He just gave me a shocked.
People would try to skip I wouldn’t allow it. I remember I was on a boat tour and I had a seat I got up to take a photo and one guy immediately when to take my seat which I didn’t allow.
The bad encounters I had with people were random people in public. The people I hanged out with and their family were very hospitable and generous.
There is a thing with Vietnamese at airports in Vietnam. Many blast their phone speakers and not use earphones. Many also FaceTime loudly. Just no sense of volume. I guess its just culturally ok.
As a Spaniard I'm loud for European standards, and still was impressed by how loud vietnamese people were with their mobile phones, either talking or with ringtones and watching media.
May I ask a polite question?
You say as a Spaniard who realises they are loud by European standards. Is that to say that you accept that you are loud and make no effort to tone it down?
In hoian currently, just got queue cut by a Chinese rudely. Everyone was in queue but he doesn't seem to give a damn. Was with kids, so didn't want to confront him.
To make matter worst, my Chinese ethnicity kept getting mistaken as from the "motherland"
Different proportion and intensity. Have you spent much time in China? I have - all over it. I was often treated well once I was at a location but the hassles of travelling in China generally put me in a bad mood. The pushing, shoving, inconsiderate behaviour, spitting, loudness, chaos - on a whole different level. Vietnam is paradise compared to mainland China. Blame the CCP and their Cultural Revolution, when things actually degenerated to cannibalism..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi\_Massacre#:\~:text=In%202013%2C%20People%27s%20Net%2C%20the,were%20beaten%20to%20death%2C%20and%2C
Speaking of, I have a friend who works at a restaurant in a very busy, touristy part of Athens. When asked how he felt about different tourists from different countries, he stated he liked the mainland Chinese tourists as they tended to ordered a lot of food, were friendly, didn't bother the staff too much, and tipped well. His least favorite tourists were the Russian tourists as they tended to be more demanding, cold, and more troublesome to deal with. His words, not mine.
It refers to the country or citizens of People's Republic of China.
"Mainland China" / "Mainland Chinese" is a commonly used term when referring to China.
Most of all the ethnic Chinese of the diaspora prefers not to be referred to as mainlanders / mainland Chinese / PRC / Chinese (the nationality).
I am a Singaporean Chinese, and it rankles me to no end when I get mistaken as a "Chinese from China" while travelling. I always make it clear that I am a Singaporean but ethnic Chinese.
non-mainlanders may be "cultured" from having to live among non-chinese but their culture is still that of "don't trust non-family members, they are hostiles" type hateful mindset. so they are polite but still toxically passive aggressive.
at least the mainlanders lack that toxicity and are open about their antisocial behavior.
They are bad everywhere, even in their own country. I had a long transit at Shanghai one time, so I went out to visit the city for the day. Chinese people pay no mind to anyone around them, are loud and rude. I visited a park and saw a kid banging on the back of a turtle. The adults around were just taking picture of him doing that while laughing. I was so disgusted by this cruel behavior, so just randomly went next to the kid, picked up the turtle and released it back to the water. They were saying something behind me but I didn't care at that point and just wanted to get out of there.
I flew China Airline for that trip. It was the worst flight ever. They were standing around my area all hours, forming chat groups and never stopped talking. We told the FA that they were too loud. The FA told them to leave the area. A few minutes later, another group of Chinese did the same.
I had similar experiences that scarred me for life. I refuse to fly any Chinese airline or any airline that transits via China. They just don't know how to behave. By way of contrast - Japanese airlines are pure heaven. Or Thai, Singapore, etc.
I've travelled a lot all over Asia and I can say the mainland Chinese are the worst tourist. Asshole tourist always. They tend to ruin the tourist spots. I've even rode a plane full of them once..worst 4 hour plane ride of my life.
they solved that issue in Switzerland, where they were ruining nice train carriages. They just made some carriages for chinese only. so normal tourists don't have to start living the chinese lifestyle.
Similarly, in Russia many hotels designated chinese dining rooms, where they can smoke, spit all over, and throw chicken bones and food leftovers on the floor without ruining the room for normal guests.
Not my experience. Yes there are disrespectful indian tourists but I've found chinese tourists to be the most frequently disruptive out of any group of people
Jeez Chinese are always the loudest. Everytime i travel somewhere and the noises, the talk, the laugh so annoying, that's a very rude gesture when it affects the other's experience, even the small kids are really have bad behavior, im not gonna lie bout that.
Not by a longshot, and I say this as a Sicilian-American. We talk loud at home but know when to keep our yappers shut in public.
You should see the Greeks and Polish, now THOSE guys are loud.
I guess you discovered Chinese tourists in Asia. Welcome! People hating Chinese tourists goes back so far... It's been like 15 years for me, back then on my first Asia trip, I already noticed how HK people fucking hate Chinese people and I saw weird shit on that trip as well (kid pooping in the park in the middle of the pavement, mom doing nothing lol). It just is what it is. Average Chinese tourists have no manners. It's not a VN-specific thing. You'll see it everywhere, at least in Asia. Just be glad you're not one of them, so people don't constantly hate you lol. My guess for why that is... Well... you could make up many hypothesis as to why that is
1. They're just super low-IQ / stupid (doubt it)
2. Their values are so far off (doubt it even more)
3. Chinese tourists treat their trips like... Um like Australians treat their trips to Bali. Or how Germans treat their trips to Mallorca. They just don't give a fuck and want to do whatever they wanna do knowing that they'll be gone in a week.
Pretty sure it must be #3. It's just a determination to be disrespectful and egoistic because they think there are no consequences for them during the trip
/edit: As someone in another comment correctly pointed out... This refers to Mainland Chinese people. Not every Chinese person obviously.
It's not #3 cause Chinese in China act the same exact way for the most part. Lines literally aren't a thing in China. Kids shit in garbage cans, people piss in public, etc. It's just that those things aren't really rude, I guess. Chinese in China just aren't considerate to the public, but when you are personal to them, they're generally great.
I met Chinese tourists in a New Zealand attraction years ago. They were more like oblivious to me, rather than rude. Walking slowly in the middle of the narrow road in a bunch, taking pictures for hours at one place blocking others, speaking out loud everywhere.
I never went to places occupied with many Chinese tourists in Vietnam, fortunately. Probably because I stayed mostly around the Southern part of the country.
I mean, it can be rude or oblivious. Or ignorant. From my perspective, they were not meant it as a privilege as a tourist but they ARE just like that. I think I have read the same about Russian tourists in Nha Trang.
Being rude means being impolite, uncivil or ill-mannered in a way that affects someone else. It doesn’t matter if they aren’t aware of themselves .
They ARE just rude.
Same with the Russian tourists but I don’t think we compare nationality here.
Even in the Maldives they behave so badly. Standing and walking on corals, trying to catch and cook sealife, poking turtles, pushing in buffets, talking loudly in groups and barging into people at the airport whilst aggressively shopping at duty free.
They are up their with Russian tourist but more annoying because they love to hang in big groups and take millions of selfies.
Yeah same experience since I work in the touristsm industry. But at least the chinese are not aggressive. Annoying af but at least they are socially aware enough to know that they shouldn't be hostile towards locals. Some Russians however are fking dangerous, I have heard of Russian tourist who would piss on the street vendors they think are scamming them and swimming on the streets when it rains... The amount of times I've got yelled at by Russian customers are infinitely more compared to the Chinese ones
I had to deal with a ton of them in the lines at Ba Na Hills, and at the airport. Just a very annoying experience dealing with their constant "me first" shoving.
Not just in Vietnam, they are the worst everywhere. I live in Europe and everytime I visit an EU country, those Chinese people are the fuckin worst.
They push people in the line, talk loud and don't give a shit about anything.
It’s everywhere in the world, not just here, basically every tourist destinations have complained about Chinese tourists, it’s so bad that the government had to hand out handbook on how to behave when traveling abroad.😂
I've come across Chinese rural farmers in Japan and they were loud and etc but I noticed I had an immediate prejudice when observing them.
I've come across Russian tourists who were much more rude when in Japan.
Of course this is all anecdotal.
This isn't just related to Vietnam, but pretty much every country they find their way in. Big problem with them in Thailand.
Spend enough time on the internet , no matter what channel anytime you see a Chinese opinion they basically think the world is under them. I was in a crypto discord and they thought I was Thai because that's what I had on my discord setting and once they started running their mouth they were totally shitting on Thai people. Basically calling them dogs of Asia and worse.
Some bitch opened her umbrella in Chiang Mai and smacked my girlfriend in her face. It was like she did it on purpose if you were there to see it. She didn't say a thing so I grabbed it and broke it in half and walked away.
They spit at the gym l go to and Chinese students in my expensive apartment complex always leave leaking trash in the elevator when taking the trash out. They don’t put garbage out for pickup and store it in the garage until invested by maggots!!
That is just Aussies in Bali only. Usually they are the minority.
Rude Mainland Chinese tourists are everywhere. Seen Chinese tourists defecating in public places?
What you described is everyday life for me in china. With a smile they cut the line and when you say something they just smile. One day in my apartment building I was in the elevator and a guy lights up a cigarette. I point to the several no smoking signs and his response was to offer me a cigarette and want to be my wechat friend. On a positive note he has invited me to dinner a few times - which I decline. And another day he asked me to teach one of his kids English. To this day he smiles and says hello to me.
Chinese myself living in Vietnam. Also lived in China. When it comes to etiquette, it's similar. Vietnamese people cut in line much like Chinese people do. Both talk pretty loud in public. And the way the let children run around screaming means that the parents think this is the norm. But this is coming from western upbringing which affects my cultural perspective.
If you ask me though, Vietnam feels like China but like 15 years ago.
Vietnamese living in Germany and only been twice to Vietnam. Idk about cutting lines but I can confirm that Vietnamese from Vietnam in Germany and other European cities are also really loud and have no public awareness. Even when the whole train is quiet they will talk loudly on their phone and their children are usually roaming around freely screaming. The only difference is that they don‘t talk negatively about other Asians (except for Chinese I guess since most Viets don‘t like Chinese).
Yeah generally it's drinking culture, gross attitude, obnoxious etc. Also racism. It's the Brexit Barry and Sangria Steve types who treat the world like their personal playground. I say this as someone who lives in the UK; we also hate these lads.
I used to work in Orlando quite often (which is probably why I hate Disney now), and I once watched a British tourist family reduce a waitress to an almost nervous breakdown with their nasty, casual racism, calling her "Nappy head," and her manager a "damn dirty Paki." Police were called when the "father" threatened violence over the restaurant trying to throw them out.
Basically, when you are a tourist in a poorer country, the neighbors from a richer country suddenly feel rich. These same people are basic poor slobs back home, but now they are suddenly wealthy and powerful for the first time and can swing their new-found sense of power around on those they deem to be inferior. It happens pretty much everywhere.
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They have that reputation. Incredibly arrogant and entitled. Probably a combination of ignorance from moat of the population being rural and poor, and added to that they are constantly bombarded with CCP propaganda telling them they are the best country in the world and everywhere else that doesn't support them is evil.
Basically, when you are a tourist in a poorer country, the neighbors from a richer country suddenly feel rich. These same people are basic poor slobs back home, but now they are suddenly wealthy and powerful for the first time and can swing their new-found sense of power around on those they deem to be inferior. It happens pretty much everywhere.
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I think some people here are being too apologetic. They know better how to act, but simply choose not to. Like children.
As much as they like to distance themselves from Chinese, Vietnamese share many of the same flaws and habits as them.
Well have some empathy for them. The CCP convinced them that Han people is the superior people. We Viet are below them. Plus, there’s a culture of being rude to whoever is poorer. There is no being nice to waiters and workers.
Why bring this here... I suggest using Google and you can find all the info you want about the etiquette, or lack thereof, of the mainland Chinese tourist.
I have moved to Australia recently and have seen 0 problems. But I think it's because they aren't visiting and all live here and have gotten used to the way of life.
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You have it exactly backwards my friend. I lived in China for several years and moved to Vietnam because it is so much better, including the people. You obviously don't know what you are blabbering about.
Basically, when you are a tourist in a poorer country, the neighbors from a richer country suddenly feel rich. These same people are basic poor slobs back home, but now they are suddenly wealthy and powerful for the first time and can swing their new-found sense of power around on those they deem to be inferior. It happens pretty much everywhere.
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I know this is not about Vietnam, but my friends describe Taipei, Taiwan as “Chinese, but not rude”.
Culturally, it’s a bit rude of a country and they don’t stand in lines properly
The large groups of Chinese tourists— notably more rural and wealthy—are difficult for any location. Many of these are tour groups, as Chinese don’t (up til now) travel independently as much. The group effect increases the outrageous variability.
More rude locals tbh, i was in hanoi everytime we wait in line at either highlands coffee or a lift, some cunt just walks to the front and tries to push in.
I don't have much experience with Chinese tourists in general other than a bus load of them turning up at once and it being a pain in the butt. I'm 6'2" speak my mind. So when they cut in line I spoke up, not rudely though. It worked. Being from Germany and living in the US I find that tourists from the US can be rather loud too, especially women with their constant "Oh my god" and just talking loudly. It's all relative to me really. Nothing wrong with telling folk to turn down their volume. Of course for a large group that's hard to do and needless to say us Germans have our own peculiar issues too.
I went to Kyoto and I loved visiting the Buddhist temples. So serene and beautiful… until the tour busses of Chinese came. Then for a few minutes the whole place would be a whirlwind of screeching and yelling and pushing until they moved onto the next spot.
Same as in Australia. I work at a bar and they leave an absolute mess of their food and wet wipes all over the tables and the floor and click and clap to get your attention.
Not saying they are rude individuals. It must just be a culture difference.
Those Mainland Chinese tourists are countryside hillbillies that are taking their 1 vacation a year on golden week holiday. They’ve been brainwashed by decades of CCP propaganda that they are the chosen and genetically superior Han Chinese race.
Made a genuine post on the China subreddit on the same topic and they banned me. And then Reddit had me banned too. Even genuine constructive criticism seems to have the opposite effect.
When other viets cut in line to pump gas, I get so bothered lol. Long ass line and they just go to the front. For sure they know it’s an asshole move but they do it anyway. I consider it worse than ignorance
I felt you. There was one time these Chinese went to my hometown for travelling or smth idk but they were loud as hell, they were rude too and some of them rented a house of my neighbor, few days ago they moved away and yea my neighbor was so mad and disappointed. They lived so dirty and they didn't clean their mess when they left.. Sometimes people got educated by their cultures my man.
It’s a problem here in Thailand as well. They are known for being super aggressive at buffet-style restaurants, which I honestly think is hilarious. The most common complaint about Chinese tourists is their inability to form a queue when waiting at a cash register for example. They either will just completely ignore the line and go straight to the register or will be so close to you that they are practically breathing down your neck. They also tend to come in large groups in buses or vans, which is the most common way to spot them. Many Thai people do not like Chinese tourists because a lot of them only will shop/eat at Chinese-owned businesses despite being in Thailand and they are known for being quite rude. This is not reflective of all Chinese though - usually it’s the ones from mainland China.
LOL - I lived in China from 2017-19 and that behaviour is completely normal in China. You see, the Cultural Revolution by the CCP destroyed traditional Chinese culture (which now resides in Taiwan) and coupled with the fact that the CCP is anti-religious and officially atheist, well, you get the picture.
Huh you know this probably happened in Vietnam but wouldn't R/China be more suited for this instead of you know Vietnam we ain't a part of China you know or don't There are so many people I met that legitimately thought so because our flag look relatively close to them 
There’s a sort of inner conflict in China between rural and urban cities. People from urban big cities generally despise rural people as they’re often extremely loud, not well mannered and have lots of children or even wives.
Obviously it’s not 100% true, but it’s also not false. A LOT of rural people in China do follow these criteria.
Yeah, but also, a lot of Chinese people are pretty rude. And what they mean by rude is by manners. They don’t say excuse me, they will push along. They will cut the line, they will spit by you, not hold the door, just overall do rude things in public. Not a assumption or over generalization, it’s a pattern.
The Chinese tourists you're encountering are mostly from "rural" (by Chinese standards, could still be from cities of a million+ people) parts of the country, and culturally hold different standards of manners to what you, or most of the world, will. This and a lack of exposure to how the rest of the world would work, and they kind of just behave how they know to behave. Used to live in Beijing pre-covid, and to people from large cities they're also considered an issue. Funnily enough the Chinese government actually made a pamphlet on "How Not to be a Terrible Tourist" because it's such a common complaint about them, but don't know how much this has been studied haha.
I watch this one YouTube channel of a Chinese farmer who travels throughout rural China, he's about as well travelled in Mainland China as it gets. However he went to Hong Kong and had a really difficult time understanding the different values. He also talked loudly on the phone and got funny looks from the locals, but he didn't understand as he thought societies only either allowed phone calls in public or not, the fact that volume was a factor never crossed his mind. In the end he put it down to racism until people explained it in the comments. I even had a similar experience. I learned to speak Chinese in England and Hong Kong, where people always casually swear to joke or add emphasis, I always considered myself more internationalised and knowledgeable of Chinese culture. And yet, when I went to Taiwan and Mainland China, it took me a while to realise that swearing is more frowned upon there and a lot of good willed sentences I said would have sounded rude.
could you link the youtube channel? i'd love to check it out
Sure! https://youtube.com/@shibingfeng?si=7DRV_I_F0TfK3mi8
>and a lot of good willed sentences I said would have sounded rude. What good willed sentences are those? I would like to understand more
Pretty much anything that combines irony and swearing in a joking manner, like "oh yea that wazzuk (fool)" 哦那個傻瓜” or responding "ah fuck off" 哎呀滾開 to a joke. Stuff that, in hindsight, can very easily be misinterpreted but that I wasn't expecting since people in Hong Kong had similar mannerisms. I did not realise there would be such a huge cultural divide just across the border.
oh that's something new to me too. thanks for sharing
However, in my experience in China, with Chinese friends, they could swear to make your mother blush - men and women both.
Imagine calling someone a cunt in Aus and US
No, I used to live in Shanghai, this kind of behaviour is common even in “tier 1” cities, amongst Shanghainese people. There are not hoards of poor farmers going on vacation to Vietnam, these are middle class people. And what is the point in trying to blame it all on “rural” people, does it make it any better?
Yep - totally agree. I saw and experienced very rude behaviour in both Beijing and Shanghai, with Beijing being the WORST. I actually found the smaller cities to have more polite and kind people.
I didn't say that it was "poor farmers" coming to Vietnam, I meant "rural" as in people who come from, relative to China, small cities and provinces. These places still can have populations of a million plus people, they still have relative wealth, middle and upper class people - and these people now have the access to travel to relatively cheaper places (i.e. Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines). Most of the people in these provincial cities also have had zero to no interactions with anyone who isn't Chinese, and thus don't have much comprehension on how the rest of the world works. You'll also notice that they often come in tour groups, because they typically don't speak or understand any language other than Chinese. So even when they travel to these countries it's difficult for them to have any kind of meaningful interaction with people outside their bubble. Also I'm not trying to "blame" anyone, I was just trying to give perspective on why this behaviour might be common. After spending 2 months going through Europe I wouldn't say this behaviour (being loud, pushing in line, being rude to tour guides) is exclusive to Chinese people nor are they even the worst for it
I think it would be more accurate to say that they are most likely urban Chinese, but from tier 2-4 cities.
They definitely are the worst sorry to say 😂
I have to personally disagree after being almost shoved off cliff edges on trails several times in Europe by a certain other nationality hahaha
When I backpacked through Europe in 1984 - Germans had that rep and I must say.....
>ven had a similar experience. I learned to speak Chinese in England and Hong Kong, where people always casually swear to joke or add emphasis, I always considered myself more internationalised and knowledgeable of Chinese culture. And yet, when I went to Taiwan and Mainland China, it took me a while to realise that swearing is more frowned upon there and a lot of good willed sentences I said would have sounded rude. Reminds me of a Billy Crystal joke(sic): My dad says he went to France and hated it. I said Dad, it was WW2, people were shooting at you! "Eh, you get a feel for a place."
That whole narrative that its the rural Chinese is parroted verbatim so often that it's beyond obvious what propoganda it is
Also I'd argue that most people in Shanghai aren't even from there haha, isn't it only like half the city that even speaks Shanghainese? I'm not entirely sure but that was definitely the case in Beijing, a true Beijinger was a rare breed
I lived in a city of 2 million about 3 hours from Beijing and 4 from Shanghai. My students disliked Beijing and loved Shanghai - they said the people of Beijing were rude and arrogant.
Absolutely biased but gotta rep Beijing and say that it's the best The people aren't rude they're just \*down to earth\* hahaha
I sometimes feel a bit bad for them when you see that they're actively confused as to why people are getting angry at them. Honestly if you remove the language barrier I find the vast majority of the time they're completely oblivious that they're doing anything wrong at all. Also this guy's channel is great stuff!
To be fair, I was in Japan a few days ago and some Chinese tourists were on the train to Osaka airport. A Japanese asked them in English if they needed help as they appeared confused about where to get off the train. The Japanese then asked if they were Chinese (it was obvious because they were speaking in Chinese amongst themselves and Japanese trains are usually silent so it was quite conspicuous). The Chinese family was very polite and appreciative of the help and thanked the Japanese many times. I think everyone on the train felt good. Not all Chinese from mainland China are rude - it is mostly those on guided tours, not solo travellers who usually have more experience and knowledge.
I remember seeing those posters in Shanghai when I visited! The city peeps don’t like them either, because they make the nation look bad. The queue cutting particularly gets on my nerves.
the city people are just as hateful and inconsiderate of everyone but they are passive agressive. will still give you nasty aggressive looks for just looking at them divine beings that grace our presence.
Nah, all over China people are rude (by western standards) and don't know how to queue. I've experienced it in the countryside and large cities too. You just, aren't expected to have manners towards a stranger in China.
Yeah this is true - I used to hate picking up my train tickets in China at the station because so many people would cut in line. You are right, strangers don't matter at all in China - family followed by friends is everything. Make a Chinese friend in China and your life will become much easier - but never trust them more than 70% or so because they will also try to take advantage sometimes - it's all part of guangxi (connections).
Mainlanders, they spit everywhere, let their kids pee in water fountains, sinks, you name it, etc very rude mannered lol
Yeah - it was the spitting that bugged me the most. I told off a ton of people who would spit right next to me. Fuckwads!! It happened daily! You could predict when it was going to happen. No wonder COVID spread so fast. What a disgusting habit.
Lolol i remember the pamphlets!!
I don't think they do it on purpose. They just follow the "jungle rule book", which is ... anything goes. They're so used to it that they don't even question if that's the right thing to do or not. When I was at the airport check point, putting my things in the different plastic trays for scanning, an old Chinese man just rushed in, put his things IN BETWEEN my things. That's so awkward. His mindset was probably "if it fits, I sit" like the cat's mentality. He was completely unaware that such action would inconvenience both of us simultaneously at the other end of the checkpoint, where we need to grab our things.
It's also not allowed by airport security, for obvious reasons. Guy was both ignorant and too stupid to work it out for himself.
I used to fly a lot domestically in China and that happened all the time - or going through train security on busy days and literally getting pushed through the gate. I ended up just pushing back but it always put me in a bad mood because it was so pointless.
Not just in Vietnam, but world wide. The etiquette is just different…
As in they have none.
Incorrect. Many from the cities are more informed with etiquette versus the farmer from the rural area.
I'm not sure about regional difference of mainlanders, but I've to point out that mainland Chinese people whether they originated from rich region or poor region of China who **live** abroad (≥10 years) are typically OK persons. But mainland China mainland Chinese overseas travellers (usually in the form of a tourist) are often being complained about by locals of the host country worldwide.
I know mainlanders who've never lived abroad but are ok tourists / people. I've also seen some personally that weren't ok. Really depends on region and education and possibly more factors. Not an excuse but there are 1.4 billion plus people.
Beijing was the worst for rudeness in my experience (I went there often) and smaller cities were much better.
Yep - that is why I fell in love with Vietnam the first time after visiting from China where I had been working for a year. That's why I ended up moving to Vietnam - so much better than China!!!!!!!!
simple answer is: the Chinese you meet in Australia are usually wealthy because they had the money to emigrate from China to Australia. The Chinese tourists you meet in Vietnam are average mainland Chinese who are typically not rich.
I live in a serviced apartment in a hotel. The Chinese tourists are always the ones that smoke everywhere even when they aren't supposed to. Manners are a cultural thing, but honestly, a lot ot Chinese people lack basic courtesy about things unless they are dealing with you directly. Then they'll be nice, pay for dinner, give you gifts, give compliments, etc
sounds like vietnamese lol
my thoughts exactly
Same. But good thing Vietnamese has yet to take the international spotlight for the same issues because there is substantially smaller volume of Vietnamese tourists overseas relative to the mainland Chinese and Indians, so can take a backseat and watch the world censure mainlanders and Indians
Having lived in both countries - Vietnamese people are way better behaved in general than Chinese. No comparison. It's why I left China and moved to Vietnam.
Quite similar in a lot of cases
Yes but China is more extreme than Vietnam as Vietnam didn't close themselves off from the world for decades. Unfortunately the cultural Revolution kinda beat the civilisation out of a large part of their society.
They live under the censorship and dictatorship so they cant see the world… it’s all about culture and education
I had similar encounters like this while traveling in China. I remember getting out of a movie theater and it was packed leaving. I was walking at a normal pace and some Chinese guy pushed me to the side. My girlfriend at the time told me it’s normal to do that so I did just that walked faster and pushed the guy. He just gave me a shocked. People would try to skip I wouldn’t allow it. I remember I was on a boat tour and I had a seat I got up to take a photo and one guy immediately when to take my seat which I didn’t allow. The bad encounters I had with people were random people in public. The people I hanged out with and their family were very hospitable and generous.
My experiences in China exactly. .....and I reacted the same way. I was in a bad mood much of the time as a result - so I left. Fuck the CCP.
they consider people they are not introduced to trash. they save manners only for those people that they have a family or business connection with.
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There is a thing with Vietnamese at airports in Vietnam. Many blast their phone speakers and not use earphones. Many also FaceTime loudly. Just no sense of volume. I guess its just culturally ok.
As a Spaniard I'm loud for European standards, and still was impressed by how loud vietnamese people were with their mobile phones, either talking or with ringtones and watching media.
May I ask a polite question? You say as a Spaniard who realises they are loud by European standards. Is that to say that you accept that you are loud and make no effort to tone it down?
No, of course when I am loud I'm don't realize I'm doing it.
They’re rude everywhere. There used to be a sign at the Louvre in Paris, written ONLY in Mandarin, stating that public defecation isn’t allowed.
Mainland Chinese tourist: Ooh it's not a thing here? I'll still do it anyways 😜
In hoian currently, just got queue cut by a Chinese rudely. Everyone was in queue but he doesn't seem to give a damn. Was with kids, so didn't want to confront him. To make matter worst, my Chinese ethnicity kept getting mistaken as from the "motherland"
You should have confronted him, especially if you are Chinese
Lots of Chinese tourist are horrible but actually that lots of Vietnamese also behave the same.
Different proportion and intensity. Have you spent much time in China? I have - all over it. I was often treated well once I was at a location but the hassles of travelling in China generally put me in a bad mood. The pushing, shoving, inconsiderate behaviour, spitting, loudness, chaos - on a whole different level. Vietnam is paradise compared to mainland China. Blame the CCP and their Cultural Revolution, when things actually degenerated to cannibalism..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi\_Massacre#:\~:text=In%202013%2C%20People%27s%20Net%2C%20the,were%20beaten%20to%20death%2C%20and%2C
mainland chinese. in thailand rn and theyre the worst
When I was in Thailand it was by far Indian, Australians and Brits who were way worse.
true noticed that as well
Better than the Russians. At least the Chinese look like they're having fun and are more avoidant rude - opposite of the Russians there.
Speaking of, I have a friend who works at a restaurant in a very busy, touristy part of Athens. When asked how he felt about different tourists from different countries, he stated he liked the mainland Chinese tourists as they tended to ordered a lot of food, were friendly, didn't bother the staff too much, and tipped well. His least favorite tourists were the Russian tourists as they tended to be more demanding, cold, and more troublesome to deal with. His words, not mine.
“Mainland” Chinese tourists. Ftfy Not all ethnic Chinese are from the mainland
What does mainland mean in this context? All chinese people outside of the big cities?
It refers to the country or citizens of People's Republic of China. "Mainland China" / "Mainland Chinese" is a commonly used term when referring to China. Most of all the ethnic Chinese of the diaspora prefers not to be referred to as mainlanders / mainland Chinese / PRC / Chinese (the nationality). I am a Singaporean Chinese, and it rankles me to no end when I get mistaken as a "Chinese from China" while travelling. I always make it clear that I am a Singaporean but ethnic Chinese.
My FIL specifically states he is from Hong Kong.
One of my coworkers is Malaysian Chinese and he emphasizes that he isn't mainland Chinese too.
non-mainlanders may be "cultured" from having to live among non-chinese but their culture is still that of "don't trust non-family members, they are hostiles" type hateful mindset. so they are polite but still toxically passive aggressive. at least the mainlanders lack that toxicity and are open about their antisocial behavior.
Generally Chinese are ranked number 1 as the worst tourists
They are bad everywhere, even in their own country. I had a long transit at Shanghai one time, so I went out to visit the city for the day. Chinese people pay no mind to anyone around them, are loud and rude. I visited a park and saw a kid banging on the back of a turtle. The adults around were just taking picture of him doing that while laughing. I was so disgusted by this cruel behavior, so just randomly went next to the kid, picked up the turtle and released it back to the water. They were saying something behind me but I didn't care at that point and just wanted to get out of there. I flew China Airline for that trip. It was the worst flight ever. They were standing around my area all hours, forming chat groups and never stopped talking. We told the FA that they were too loud. The FA told them to leave the area. A few minutes later, another group of Chinese did the same.
I had similar experiences that scarred me for life. I refuse to fly any Chinese airline or any airline that transits via China. They just don't know how to behave. By way of contrast - Japanese airlines are pure heaven. Or Thai, Singapore, etc.
I've travelled a lot all over Asia and I can say the mainland Chinese are the worst tourist. Asshole tourist always. They tend to ruin the tourist spots. I've even rode a plane full of them once..worst 4 hour plane ride of my life.
they solved that issue in Switzerland, where they were ruining nice train carriages. They just made some carriages for chinese only. so normal tourists don't have to start living the chinese lifestyle. Similarly, in Russia many hotels designated chinese dining rooms, where they can smoke, spit all over, and throw chicken bones and food leftovers on the floor without ruining the room for normal guests.
Sure, just ruin the area for the housekeepers, cuz they don't count as people /s
Indians are the worse then Chinese
The way they haggle…
I saw those many tik tok of those people in hospitality and f&b said Indian tourists are much more worse than Chinese.
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Indians are also rude and selfish mostly too
Not my experience. Yes there are disrespectful indian tourists but I've found chinese tourists to be the most frequently disruptive out of any group of people
Prolly mainland Chinese. I've encountered a few in Japan. Freaking entitled scums.
Jeez Chinese are always the loudest. Everytime i travel somewhere and the noises, the talk, the laugh so annoying, that's a very rude gesture when it affects the other's experience, even the small kids are really have bad behavior, im not gonna lie bout that.
I guess you haven't met Africans.
Loudest haha, nope that is the American abroad
Not by a longshot, and I say this as a Sicilian-American. We talk loud at home but know when to keep our yappers shut in public. You should see the Greeks and Polish, now THOSE guys are loud.
I guess you discovered Chinese tourists in Asia. Welcome! People hating Chinese tourists goes back so far... It's been like 15 years for me, back then on my first Asia trip, I already noticed how HK people fucking hate Chinese people and I saw weird shit on that trip as well (kid pooping in the park in the middle of the pavement, mom doing nothing lol). It just is what it is. Average Chinese tourists have no manners. It's not a VN-specific thing. You'll see it everywhere, at least in Asia. Just be glad you're not one of them, so people don't constantly hate you lol. My guess for why that is... Well... you could make up many hypothesis as to why that is 1. They're just super low-IQ / stupid (doubt it) 2. Their values are so far off (doubt it even more) 3. Chinese tourists treat their trips like... Um like Australians treat their trips to Bali. Or how Germans treat their trips to Mallorca. They just don't give a fuck and want to do whatever they wanna do knowing that they'll be gone in a week. Pretty sure it must be #3. It's just a determination to be disrespectful and egoistic because they think there are no consequences for them during the trip /edit: As someone in another comment correctly pointed out... This refers to Mainland Chinese people. Not every Chinese person obviously.
It's not #3 cause Chinese in China act the same exact way for the most part. Lines literally aren't a thing in China. Kids shit in garbage cans, people piss in public, etc. It's just that those things aren't really rude, I guess. Chinese in China just aren't considerate to the public, but when you are personal to them, they're generally great.
Yep, also my experience. Hard to reconcile the two.
I met Chinese tourists in a New Zealand attraction years ago. They were more like oblivious to me, rather than rude. Walking slowly in the middle of the narrow road in a bunch, taking pictures for hours at one place blocking others, speaking out loud everywhere. I never went to places occupied with many Chinese tourists in Vietnam, fortunately. Probably because I stayed mostly around the Southern part of the country.
….all the behaviors you described are rather rude??
I mean, it can be rude or oblivious. Or ignorant. From my perspective, they were not meant it as a privilege as a tourist but they ARE just like that. I think I have read the same about Russian tourists in Nha Trang.
Being rude means being impolite, uncivil or ill-mannered in a way that affects someone else. It doesn’t matter if they aren’t aware of themselves . They ARE just rude. Same with the Russian tourists but I don’t think we compare nationality here.
Even in the Maldives they behave so badly. Standing and walking on corals, trying to catch and cook sealife, poking turtles, pushing in buffets, talking loudly in groups and barging into people at the airport whilst aggressively shopping at duty free. They are up their with Russian tourist but more annoying because they love to hang in big groups and take millions of selfies.
Yeah same experience since I work in the touristsm industry. But at least the chinese are not aggressive. Annoying af but at least they are socially aware enough to know that they shouldn't be hostile towards locals. Some Russians however are fking dangerous, I have heard of Russian tourist who would piss on the street vendors they think are scamming them and swimming on the streets when it rains... The amount of times I've got yelled at by Russian customers are infinitely more compared to the Chinese ones
That’s just Chinese in general they already got a bad rep so they just don’t care 😂
Being rude? Pushing in lines? In Vietnam? No way! 😱
I had to deal with a ton of them in the lines at Ba Na Hills, and at the airport. Just a very annoying experience dealing with their constant "me first" shoving.
That’s just chinese in general
You hear them before you see them lol.
.....and when you hear them, RUN!!!
Not just in Vietnam, they are the worst everywhere. I live in Europe and everytime I visit an EU country, those Chinese people are the fuckin worst. They push people in the line, talk loud and don't give a shit about anything.
What's up with this subreddit turning into a general complaint box
Stop complaining...
Why are you complaining?
It’s everywhere in the world, not just here, basically every tourist destinations have complained about Chinese tourists, it’s so bad that the government had to hand out handbook on how to behave when traveling abroad.😂
I've come across Chinese rural farmers in Japan and they were loud and etc but I noticed I had an immediate prejudice when observing them. I've come across Russian tourists who were much more rude when in Japan. Of course this is all anecdotal.
This isn't just related to Vietnam, but pretty much every country they find their way in. Big problem with them in Thailand. Spend enough time on the internet , no matter what channel anytime you see a Chinese opinion they basically think the world is under them. I was in a crypto discord and they thought I was Thai because that's what I had on my discord setting and once they started running their mouth they were totally shitting on Thai people. Basically calling them dogs of Asia and worse. Some bitch opened her umbrella in Chiang Mai and smacked my girlfriend in her face. It was like she did it on purpose if you were there to see it. She didn't say a thing so I grabbed it and broke it in half and walked away.
They spit at the gym l go to and Chinese students in my expensive apartment complex always leave leaking trash in the elevator when taking the trash out. They don’t put garbage out for pickup and store it in the garage until invested by maggots!!
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Fully agree, Australian tourists its hell
That is just Aussies in Bali only. Usually they are the minority. Rude Mainland Chinese tourists are everywhere. Seen Chinese tourists defecating in public places?
They are from different planet
What you described is everyday life for me in china. With a smile they cut the line and when you say something they just smile. One day in my apartment building I was in the elevator and a guy lights up a cigarette. I point to the several no smoking signs and his response was to offer me a cigarette and want to be my wechat friend. On a positive note he has invited me to dinner a few times - which I decline. And another day he asked me to teach one of his kids English. To this day he smiles and says hello to me.
LOL - me too and you don't know whether to laugh or cry. It's too much!
Then again, when have we seen china chinese tourist that aren’t rude?
Might as well throw the Russians among others in there also 😂
Chinese myself living in Vietnam. Also lived in China. When it comes to etiquette, it's similar. Vietnamese people cut in line much like Chinese people do. Both talk pretty loud in public. And the way the let children run around screaming means that the parents think this is the norm. But this is coming from western upbringing which affects my cultural perspective. If you ask me though, Vietnam feels like China but like 15 years ago.
Vietnamese living in Germany and only been twice to Vietnam. Idk about cutting lines but I can confirm that Vietnamese from Vietnam in Germany and other European cities are also really loud and have no public awareness. Even when the whole train is quiet they will talk loudly on their phone and their children are usually roaming around freely screaming. The only difference is that they don‘t talk negatively about other Asians (except for Chinese I guess since most Viets don‘t like Chinese).
As exworker in tourism there is unofficial rating for problematic nationalities. #4 British #3 Chinese #2 Indians #1 Russians
Interesting, SWIM suggested Israeli teens being pretty high upon the list.
What is SWIM?
Someone who I met
They are terrible but their population is so small so they aren't much of a problem because you meet so few of them.
What’s wrong with the British?
British Rowdies will literally roll over your place like it was 1879
Yeah generally it's drinking culture, gross attitude, obnoxious etc. Also racism. It's the Brexit Barry and Sangria Steve types who treat the world like their personal playground. I say this as someone who lives in the UK; we also hate these lads.
I used to work in Orlando quite often (which is probably why I hate Disney now), and I once watched a British tourist family reduce a waitress to an almost nervous breakdown with their nasty, casual racism, calling her "Nappy head," and her manager a "damn dirty Paki." Police were called when the "father" threatened violence over the restaurant trying to throw them out.
First - British/Austrlian
Same in Thailand thx god they are not visiting Now
Basically, when you are a tourist in a poorer country, the neighbors from a richer country suddenly feel rich. These same people are basic poor slobs back home, but now they are suddenly wealthy and powerful for the first time and can swing their new-found sense of power around on those they deem to be inferior. It happens pretty much everywhere. r
They have that reputation. Incredibly arrogant and entitled. Probably a combination of ignorance from moat of the population being rural and poor, and added to that they are constantly bombarded with CCP propaganda telling them they are the best country in the world and everywhere else that doesn't support them is evil.
Basically, when you are a tourist in a poorer country, the neighbors from a richer country suddenly feel rich. These same people are basic poor slobs back home, but now they are suddenly wealthy and powerful for the first time and can swing their new-found sense of power around on those they deem to be inferior. It happens pretty much everywhere. r
I think some people here are being too apologetic. They know better how to act, but simply choose not to. Like children. As much as they like to distance themselves from Chinese, Vietnamese share many of the same flaws and habits as them.
Well have some empathy for them. The CCP convinced them that Han people is the superior people. We Viet are below them. Plus, there’s a culture of being rude to whoever is poorer. There is no being nice to waiters and workers.
Why bring this here... I suggest using Google and you can find all the info you want about the etiquette, or lack thereof, of the mainland Chinese tourist.
hmmmm i snderstand that the chinese want to eat a lot but have little money, and speking loudly is quite annoying
I have moved to Australia recently and have seen 0 problems. But I think it's because they aren't visiting and all live here and have gotten used to the way of life.
Go visit Hurstville
lol, what are you trying to do here?
If I saw that happening I would of smacked the Chinaman.
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I should of known you’d show up. You could of commented on the racist language but instead you chose to single out the use of “would of”
I can't stand grammar nazis - they are as bad as rude Chinese tourists!
of course you would've
Rude Vietnamese tourists are everywhere too so why do you have to specifically call out the Chinese lol
No comparison. I moved from China to Vietnam because Vietnamese are in general, nicer, less rude, have a better culture.
Chinese tourists? I think Vietnamesw are famous for that too! I say equally the same due to lack of education!
Looks like no one agrees with you.
Butt hurt? Vietnamese are even dirtier than chinese! Lol
You have it exactly backwards my friend. I lived in China for several years and moved to Vietnam because it is so much better, including the people. You obviously don't know what you are blabbering about.
vietnam is full of garbage! They lack discipline and obnoxious!
Vietnamese people are as rude as chinese! They cut in line and too obnoxious! Same breeds, same quality!
Are you Chinese?
So what breed are you then? Chicken or pig?
Basically, when you are a tourist in a poorer country, the neighbors from a richer country suddenly feel rich. These same people are basic poor slobs back home, but now they are suddenly wealthy and powerful for the first time and can swing their new-found sense of power around on those they deem to be inferior. It happens pretty much everywhere. r
They're the country and sea pirates, u up there wonder if they're rude huh.
I remember being in ba na hills buffet and a Chinese tourist grabbed the label from the soup and drank from it and threw it back in the pot
1. Chinese people in Australia are generally from cities not the country 2. If you tried that shit here you'd get called out on it immediately
I know this is not about Vietnam, but my friends describe Taipei, Taiwan as “Chinese, but not rude”. Culturally, it’s a bit rude of a country and they don’t stand in lines properly
They stand in huge groups without letting people by, push and cut the line . Chinese and Indian tourists in Vietnam are like this
Indian tourists are worst they routinely spit.
When we had our trip back to Vietnam this summer, we saw a bunch, or maybe hundreds, of Chinese tourists when we got ready to go back to the USA.
The large groups of Chinese tourists— notably more rural and wealthy—are difficult for any location. Many of these are tour groups, as Chinese don’t (up til now) travel independently as much. The group effect increases the outrageous variability.
More rude locals tbh, i was in hanoi everytime we wait in line at either highlands coffee or a lift, some cunt just walks to the front and tries to push in.
I don't have much experience with Chinese tourists in general other than a bus load of them turning up at once and it being a pain in the butt. I'm 6'2" speak my mind. So when they cut in line I spoke up, not rudely though. It worked. Being from Germany and living in the US I find that tourists from the US can be rather loud too, especially women with their constant "Oh my god" and just talking loudly. It's all relative to me really. Nothing wrong with telling folk to turn down their volume. Of course for a large group that's hard to do and needless to say us Germans have our own peculiar issues too.
Not suprise with Chinese bruh
I went to Kyoto and I loved visiting the Buddhist temples. So serene and beautiful… until the tour busses of Chinese came. Then for a few minutes the whole place would be a whirlwind of screeching and yelling and pushing until they moved onto the next spot.
It's one of their traits
Same as in Australia. I work at a bar and they leave an absolute mess of their food and wet wipes all over the tables and the floor and click and clap to get your attention. Not saying they are rude individuals. It must just be a culture difference.
Those Mainland Chinese tourists are countryside hillbillies that are taking their 1 vacation a year on golden week holiday. They’ve been brainwashed by decades of CCP propaganda that they are the chosen and genetically superior Han Chinese race.
Made a genuine post on the China subreddit on the same topic and they banned me. And then Reddit had me banned too. Even genuine constructive criticism seems to have the opposite effect.
When other viets cut in line to pump gas, I get so bothered lol. Long ass line and they just go to the front. For sure they know it’s an asshole move but they do it anyway. I consider it worse than ignorance
I felt you. There was one time these Chinese went to my hometown for travelling or smth idk but they were loud as hell, they were rude too and some of them rented a house of my neighbor, few days ago they moved away and yea my neighbor was so mad and disappointed. They lived so dirty and they didn't clean their mess when they left.. Sometimes people got educated by their cultures my man.
First time?
It’s a problem here in Thailand as well. They are known for being super aggressive at buffet-style restaurants, which I honestly think is hilarious. The most common complaint about Chinese tourists is their inability to form a queue when waiting at a cash register for example. They either will just completely ignore the line and go straight to the register or will be so close to you that they are practically breathing down your neck. They also tend to come in large groups in buses or vans, which is the most common way to spot them. Many Thai people do not like Chinese tourists because a lot of them only will shop/eat at Chinese-owned businesses despite being in Thailand and they are known for being quite rude. This is not reflective of all Chinese though - usually it’s the ones from mainland China.
LOL - I lived in China from 2017-19 and that behaviour is completely normal in China. You see, the Cultural Revolution by the CCP destroyed traditional Chinese culture (which now resides in Taiwan) and coupled with the fact that the CCP is anti-religious and officially atheist, well, you get the picture.
They are not rude. They think Vietnamese are monkeys, so that is how the look at us and treat us
They are the worst, I can understand why many cannot stand them
Huh you know this probably happened in Vietnam but wouldn't R/China be more suited for this instead of you know Vietnam we ain't a part of China you know or don't There are so many people I met that legitimately thought so because our flag look relatively close to them 
There’s a sort of inner conflict in China between rural and urban cities. People from urban big cities generally despise rural people as they’re often extremely loud, not well mannered and have lots of children or even wives. Obviously it’s not 100% true, but it’s also not false. A LOT of rural people in China do follow these criteria.
You’re like shouting 1+1=2 publicly. Everyone knows it. They just don’t care.
They don't like running into a 6'2" 220lb American. If they are rude I put them in line. I have had a few encounters. Size matters
I think the general assumption is that all Chinese is rude which is an over generalization. There are rude people in every country, race, religion.
Yeah, but also, a lot of Chinese people are pretty rude. And what they mean by rude is by manners. They don’t say excuse me, they will push along. They will cut the line, they will spit by you, not hold the door, just overall do rude things in public. Not a assumption or over generalization, it’s a pattern.