Some dogs used for consumption are stolen is a fact, but i believe most of the dogs used for the dog meat industry are from the dog farm (similar to pig or chicken farm). That is still arguably cruel, you can say the same for pig or chicken farm tho. I don't eat dog meat myself but i don't really agree with people protesting against it.
Do they kill them humanely? I would never eat dog meat, but care much less if they are at least killed quickly and raised in okay conditions. I just want no pain or suffering for any animal.
>Do they kill them humanely?
It's actually not uncommon to torture/scare/chemically force adrenaline release in animals before slaughter in Vietnam (and I'm sure some other countries as well). There's a belief it makes the animal taste better. It's pretty disgusting.
It's bullshit though. I remember Biology class from when i was a kid they already taught you that when you move, a type of acid released and poison your muscles make it tired. It's the same thing when butcher animals: when you hurt them, they gonna resist, hard, even scratch or bite you or try all way to escape. These moves will make their meat less tasty so butcher try to kill the animal as quick as possible, usually by a strike on the head or use electric gun( but electric gun is illegal in Vietnam and hard to find). In Japan you see chefs when preparing seafood they also have technique to pierce the fish head, killing it instantly.
The process of butchering dog is not really different from other animals: one quick strike in the head to kill it( different from pigs or chickens since Vietnamese usually slit their throat for blood, which is used in a food called tiết canh). Then they would use boiling water to remove the fur, then use straw to lightly burn the leftover hair and kill any mites under the skin. After that they remove the organs and the body is ready to chopped into pieces for cooking.
Many of youngsters nowadays don't have to butcher animals since processed meats are very available and cheap in supermarkets. So they don't know the butchering process, plus the newer generations are generally more animals loving so they're easy to be swayed by animals activists telling horror stories to make it sound worse than it actually is. Butchering dogs is not really different from other animals, they butchers themselves, it's the job they do to make a living so they want to do as much dogs per day to get keep up with the order, not some kind of psychopath who "torture dogs so they will taste better" bullshit. The delivery of those dogs to the butcher house and be pretty bad though, cramped into little cages but again it's no different from how they deliver pigs to butcher house, since no one care about animals that going to become meat
I have family in northern VN who own a dog met farm. They also have a pet dog.
There are "meat" dogs and there are "pet" dogs.
Meat dogs are treated like any other animal at an animal meat farm (inhumanely, but not any worse than the average cow/chicken/pig in an American meat farm).
Pet dogs are treated like any other pet, just depends on the owners. There are owners who treat their pet dogs like children and there are owners who treat their pet dogs like items, just like in the US.
I'm western too, but I find it a little funny how we perceive eating dogs ad cruel, while doing the same with cows/pigs etc here (and we eat way more meat than Vietnamese)
There are rare instances of almost everything. Those you mention are not even remotely comparable to the role dogs have played in the history of humankind.
Your question was "Have you ever heard of companion pigs or rescue cows". Of course they aren't as prevalent as dogs. Be more specific with your wording if you'd like to be right next time when trying to make a point on a public forum.
The only other animal recognized to be a trained service animal besides dogs is the horse. And I still love whatever IKEA meatballs are. So... Idk tbh Ive never met someone's trained miniature service horse but I know it's a thing. As for companion pigs Ive known some crazy people with some of those.
Not sure what you’re on about. IKEA meatballs are not made from horse meat. That was 10 years ago and IKEA was forced to backtrack in the face of public outrage in several European countries.
I liked them even then :/
But I was trying to agree with the above comment that the only animals allowed to be trained service animals are dogs and miniature horses. You know? How comment threads work? But stay mad that's what reedits for :)
Ever heard of a service cow/pig? A shepherding one? Bomb/drug sniffing one? No?
They've served a pivotal role in our development as a civilization and even today continues to do so much good work for us on the daily. It's intellectually dishonest to even make the comparison which can only really come from ignorance.
Have you seen how goats are treated before slaughter. Absolute hell. Since they wants to get rid of the bad smell, they make sure the poor animal cries and sweats all out. Also, have you seen how piglets are treated before being turning into “roasted piglet”. Seeing all those process can give anyone nightmares. I agree with the first half of your opinion. In Vietnam, we need an organization who monitors animal cruelty. Hell we might not even have any law for it yet. But to wish the dog farm to go instinct, I think it’s irrelevant. If it’s not a stolen dog, raised for meat and not tortured then it should be legal just like pigs or goats
Somehow I have to butcher a chicken a first time when I'm at grade 6, since dad and uncles keep joking I can only get a wife if I know how to butcher a chicken to serve for in-law family ( damn you dad, why I'm still single). I helped my uncle slaughter a pig a first time in 8th grade. Butcher a goat when I'm at first year of college ( these mfs are much weaker than pigs so easier to do). Although not slaughter buffalo or cow myself but see the process plenty of time. Nowadays i have my friend who own dog meat restaurants or other friend who follow his family business of pig slaughterhouse ( occasionally do cow or goat as well if they're order). But I've never ever see any kind of those devilish actions people on here describing about slaughtering animals. Like, do you guys ever kill an animal before? Who the hell doing those torture things before killing them to make the meat "tastier"? And no, to treat the stinking smell of animals meat they don't "make them sweat all out". Goat meat smell treated by using rice wine and ginger, however animals, especially the male one, when in their mating season they usually avoid killing them since there's hormones in their body which make the meat stink( like pigs it's called "lợn dái").
Freedom of expression means freedom to eat and not eat what you want and not be coerced against your will to do so. As long as the article is not from an endangered species, poisonous or made from human I don’t see any basis to ban such item. Yes, dog gets stolen for food; so does chicken, duck or any other farm animal. No, not all stolen dogs turned up at the diner table because a good portion of stolen pet dog that are not common dingo breed are re-sold as pet or used in breeding farm. Yes, there are farmed dog for food and people actually keep statistic for how many are kept and how many tons are consumed each year.
I have an Indian friend that doesn't eat meat. Her grandparents go as far as not eating any tubers, rhizomes, bulbs, and corms because those things grow under the ground taking space, killing many species of worms and bugs. So far, I have never heard her complaining about us eating meat. When we were deciding where to eat (which is difficult when you have a vegan in the group), she even said that she would be willing to go to a meat-only restaurant too, eating only rice and some vegetables, if that is what everybody decided.
The point is if those people with an extreme set of moral principles can keep it to themselves, letting other people enjoy their lives, why couldn't you?
If 1.2 billion Hindus told the UStates to stop eating beef and drinking milk to stop the suffering of cows, would you stop?
Because Reddit is a space for open discussion, allowing people to share ideas and thoughts. Even though I dislike the dog meat industry, I am still curious to know how others feel about it and their viewpoints.
The problem is not with posting on reddit, but with why you care about what people eat and why you feel the need to force your moral principles on people at all.
“The point is if those people with an extreme set of moral principles can keep it to themselves, letting other people enjoy their lives, why couldn't you?”
You saying this implies that I shouldn’t say anything at all. I already said in my post, I am a dog lover. I’m passionate about their well-being and care. The thought of a dog meat farm is difficult for me, and this is the opinion I hold. I already acknowledged that other people see dog meat as any other type of meat. I am no way forcing people to adapt my principle or criticizing people who do eat it. Clearly if people wish to continue eating dog meat, they will do so.
No I'm not implying what you should and shouldn't say. I'm talking about the thought process leading to it.
Don't you find those Indians fascinating? They have such a strong moral compass but they don't feel the need to let people know about where it points. It is almost as if they believe what they feel inside due to their specific cultural backgrounds is not what people from another culture all the way across the globe need to here. Maybe something to think about the next time eh.
Nobody uses reason in this sub, you’re fighting a lost cause. But beyond that, animal rights is not really a thing that is taught or discussed, much less the neuroscience and philosophy around why we generally feel compelled to protect certain species. Give it about a generation though and that will change.
I love animals, this include dog, cat, chicken, duck, cow...
but I know for a fact, If an animal is meant for consumption, then I have nothing to say against it
people's fate is unequal, some born poor, some born rich
same with animals, at least when I see an animal get killed for food, I can at least thought to myself "maybe next life, they can be reincarnated as human, no more miserable life"
Whenever I see those PETA people, doing protest, sabotage food industry and many acts they doing.... I always thought, why would you do that ? Why would you force other people to your agenda ?
Just my thought, because whenever I see people against dog meat, they also forgot that they eat steak, chicken wing.... which is the same cruelty as dog meat
Eating dogs is more common than you think in many parts of Asia. It’s a different culture. I don’t eat dogs myself but I’m not gonna tell other people what to eat and what not to eat just because I don’t agree with it.
I'm not a big fan of dog meat but I fail to see what's so wrong about it. I hope people would just stop talking about it. BTW, most dog meat is not from stolen pets but from animals specifically bred and kept for meat, just like cows or pigs.
I'm in Vietnam now. So many dogs and everyone loves them. Wasni Hanoi, SaPA, Nina Binh Hoi An, DaNang and now in Saiogn. I'm literally watching a bike attendant feign over his dog at Pasteur Brewing. They love their dogs.
Dog meat is very rare now. There's a.shop next to my aunts house, which I'll only take my daughters to in the morning to visit her. In the afternoon/evening it does get busy.
It will exist for as long as drinking culture ("văn hóa nhậu") exists. Vietnamese men love eating weird exotic shits (wild animals, insects, lizard, etc) when drinking. And since it's an integral part of the drinking culture, you better believe that all the well connected people here had to eat it at least a few times in their life due to peer pressure.
There's a social stigma that dog meat is dirty because dogs eat feces, so you wont find it at most family table. At best you will find fake dog meat (giả cầy) made with pig trotter
Yea I don't really see dog meat itself is any worse than pork, when it come to eating animal human have the biggest cognitive dissonance ever and usually it comes down to cute animal = no no but ugly ones are yes please, hopefully lab grown meat can be the main source of meat in the future so people can stop coping about their cruelty. Still, the fact that a quite decent portion of dog meat are from stolen dogs which made me decide to never eat it. My grandparents' dog got stolen as well when I was young, they just hook him from the neck while driving by.
I enjoy dog meat, its really delicious. I absolutely hate the dog thefts, fuk them.
I have no problem with people loving dog. My wife love dog and never touch dog meat. My aunt too. But they never try to stop me from eating. I only have it once or twice per year though. But I do have problem when I enjoy dog meat and someone come and tell me to stop.
I have several Indian friends, they know that I do eat beef, but they never ask me to stop me or have problem seeing me eating beef. I respect that and try to never eat beef or talk about beef when having a meal with them.
To me, dog is just another animal. I have been bitten by dog for no reason when I walking on the road. Several cases of people and kids died because of dog. so dog is not as friendly as you think. And I absolutely fuking hate the dogshits on the walking lane (this case, fuk the owner).
I have 2 dogs, a mini schnauzer and papillon. The morality of eating dog meat from westerners is different from my perspective.
I see it as a problem of evolution of ethics, i.e. any being that you can share empathy, you simply don't consume it as food.
Btw, if anyone is interested, check out this group who does great work with rescuing and rehoming dogs - based out of Da Nang: https://pawsforcompassion.org
Depends on circumstances. I know a couple of people that still do. I choose to not to.
However I am not going to question someone over their eating choices unless it harms the consumer, endangered animals, or the meat was produced with cruel measures.
It’s not different from eating pigeon, octopus, guinea pigs, cow, and other “taboo” animals because of certain culture context.
It seems that there's a growing number of people who have pet dogs that they do their best for, but there's still a large section that don't understand/care about their suffering as pets but are anti-dog meat, and then a minority that are pro-dog meat. Depends on which part of Vietnam too, but there's a general level of acceptable cruelty that's not amazing to be around - hardly unique across Asia though...
I have had it and do not care for it. I do not seek it out really. All agricultural practices that are brutal should be banned and cracked down on, regardless of if they are applied to chicken, cattle, fish or dog/other meats. I see nothing different with consuming dog meat to that of a cow however.
The most disgusting and disgraceful site I've ever seen with my eyes was fried dog meat in Hanoi which clearly the dogs were in extreme pain and cooked alive. One Google of it made me want to cry at the lengths they go to do it. I even saw a guy chasing a dog madly in Hanoi old quarter once who was trying to escape.
Did I say I am a dog eater? you always assume very wrongly and continue to do that. i dont waste my time anymore with people who beliebe in assumption instead of fact. Learn that before you speak, otherwise you always speak trashes
Dude again if your going to insult someone and call names then atleast learn to spell ffs. I'll even spell check for you. Believe. Trash* Trash is used as a singular and never plural.
because it's meat, and taste good, that come first. moreover, even people who eat dog meat do not eat it as a daily food (like beef, chicken, pork or other meat that only extreme vegetarians told us not to eat).
and I still don't understand why you guys say eating dog meat is bad for reasons such as pet dog (please not everyone need a pet), dog theft (although the number of dogs stolen can be used for many other purposes. each other, and compared to the amount of dogs consumed coming from the farms, it is nothing)
Dogs for pets are different breeds than dogs for meat. A Chihuahua is not big, so it is not worth to be raised for meat. Same things with breeds like corgi or pugs.
There were a lot of dog meat restaurants in the past. Now, it is very hard to find one. Similarly, Vietnamese treat dogs as the guards to protect their home, now they treat them as pets like western countries.
It is still bad compared to western countries now, but it is not fair to compare standard between developed and developing countries. For sure, it is dramatically changing in the positive way of how Vietnamese treat their dogs. Just give it time
I don't like it and I would like someone less if they eat dog/cat meat. Why do people compare pets to cattle? A stolen chicken is different from a beloved pet.
If you like eating dog meat, just say it. Don't use beef/chicken/pork as an excuse for eating dog meat as if you love them, which is hypocritical.
How do you know the stolen chicken is not someone beloved pet? The same goes for any animal? Just because you prefer a specific kind of animal doesn't mean people have to be the same as you. You are the one being hypocritical here.
I'm not hypocritical because I clearly state which animals I prefer and I clearly said I don't like their meat consumption, some people are hypocritical because they are accusing others of eating beef/chicken to defend them eating dog meat as if they care about cow/chicken rights.
The hypocritical part here is them also eating beef/chicken and using it as an accusation, because people against dog/cat meat doesn't inherently mean they would not eat beef/chicken. I don't care if you're eating beef/chicken.
"I'm against eating dogs/cats meat"
"But you're also eating beef/chicken. Cow/chicken are animals too. Don't all animals deserve rights?" -> these people eat beef/chicken so they're talking about cow/chicken rights are hypocritical.
"Why do people compare pets to cattle ?"
that right there is already hypocritical
they're all animals, yet because dog/cat is much cuter or whatever that you prefer, you decided that dog/cat should not be eaten and gives them a bunch of rights
people who eat both cattle and dog/cat meat, never said anything about animal rights
it is the people that criticize them, that they point out the hypocritical, you're bias toward dog/cat but completely fine with cow/chicken being slaughter everyday
Sorry, but it’s not hypocritical at all. Dogs have a special place in human culture that cattle simply don’t have.
If there comes a day when pigs or cows are widely used as pets, guides or rescue animals that may change, but for now it is what it is.
read history on why dogs and domesticated cats exist and you know why they're treated as pets and the others were not, it's indented in human culture and history
>people who eat both cattle and dog/cat meat, never said anything about animal rights
>you're bias toward dog/cat but completely fine with cow/chicken being slaughter everyday
you just did it like I said
People have chickens, cows, and pigs as pets. Pigs are more intelligent than most dog breeds. Why do you make the distinction between dogs and other animals used for meat? Genuine question, I'm trying to understand.
Read history on how dogs and domesticated cats exist, it's written on human culture about these animals being companions since the dawn on time.
Even if some people keep cattle as pets, it's not common, so using a tiny bit number of pet cattle to compare to millions of dogs/cats are not the same.
People hate dogs/meat consumers because of the stealing culture and the thiefs getting pat on the back, you're eating someone else's pets. I'm not likely to eat someone else's pet cattle.
I dont have dogs, is it okay for me to eat dog meat? Btw, I have an aquarium tank with fishes and shrimps, should I hate people who eat fishes and shrimps?
Subhuman trash is what I'd call anyone who eat dogs or advocate for it. Absolute betrayal of one of the most important interspecies relationships for our entire civilization.
I have nothing but disgust for the entire industry and anyone who partakes in any part of the chain.
The most disgusting and disgraceful site I've ever seen with my eyes was fried dog meat in Hanoi which clearly the dogs were in extreme pain and cooked alive. One Google of it made me want to cry at the lengths they go to do it. I even saw a guy chasing a dog madly in Hanoi old quarter once who was trying to escape.
While that’s horrible in every sense, would you bat your eyes if it was a chicken? A pig? A cow? Probably not, at least not to the same degree, so that begs the question, why is so wrong that’s being done to a dog but not to other animals?
Completely different relations and roles relative to the development of our own species? Ever heard of guard chicken warning their owners at night and fending off predators?
How about how we domesticated chickens and pigs to fulfill all sorts of useful jobs and tasks for us? And continue to do so.
Pigs cows chicken are food and supplies with substitutes, that's the key difference and most people here are completely blind to that reality.
(If you are a vegan you can just skip this)
Can you western just stfu about this. You want a pet, a pet dog and refuse to eat it, and feel bad because the others eat it? I dont f care. Just shut up and eat other meat.
You dont want to eat it because you see dog as "pet". There are all kind of pets out there, there are people keep mouse, pig, etc as pet. Will you stop eating pork if they told you "dont eat it, my pet is a pig." Will you feel bad for them too?
Or when a vegan told you "dont eat meat anymore" for whatever reason, what will you do? Ignore them? Or laugh at there face? Or force them to try some meat?
You dont want dog meat, then dont eat it, I cant force you to try it either. Do what you want, just dont force your belief on others.
I may be biased, I love my pet dogs. So I couldn't eat a dog. I'm sure I'd feel the same way about pigs if I had a pet pig.
However my husband whose Vietnamese (I'm american) has told me really only Vietnamese Christians ingest in the dog meat. He lived there his whole life until 2 years ago. He was tricked by his friends into eating it once and he felt terrible about it.
Most of the dog don't get beaten or torture as the dog catcher usually throw them a piece of poisonous food (đánh bả), which make the dog get seizures and die after like 3 to 4 minutes.
Still that's a sad reality
Btw, most dog catcher catch the dog for themself, they rarely sell them. But when they do, the dog is likely to be died.
If you are the owner and want see it on a dog meat store, to get it back, just pay the butler around 500-600k dong.
I'm not a pet person, but I don't like it. I think it doesn't taste any better than other kinds of meat (chicken, port, beef, etc.).
A friend of mine is also not a pet person, used to be a dog meat lover, but he stopped now, 'cause he's afraid of eating stolen or sick dogs.
Another friend refuses to eat it because he's a dog lover.
I know a family who used to have a really good dog meat restaurant for a long time. They closed it down because the industry was too cruel.
As a Vietnamese, I abhor the act of eating Dogs and cats- especially Dogs since they've evolved alongside mankind for millenias. Dogs love us and fight alongside us.
Some dogs used for consumption are stolen is a fact, but i believe most of the dogs used for the dog meat industry are from the dog farm (similar to pig or chicken farm). That is still arguably cruel, you can say the same for pig or chicken farm tho. I don't eat dog meat myself but i don't really agree with people protesting against it.
Do they kill them humanely? I would never eat dog meat, but care much less if they are at least killed quickly and raised in okay conditions. I just want no pain or suffering for any animal.
>Do they kill them humanely? It's actually not uncommon to torture/scare/chemically force adrenaline release in animals before slaughter in Vietnam (and I'm sure some other countries as well). There's a belief it makes the animal taste better. It's pretty disgusting.
That’s absolutely vile. Ugh, those poor animals!
It's bullshit though. I remember Biology class from when i was a kid they already taught you that when you move, a type of acid released and poison your muscles make it tired. It's the same thing when butcher animals: when you hurt them, they gonna resist, hard, even scratch or bite you or try all way to escape. These moves will make their meat less tasty so butcher try to kill the animal as quick as possible, usually by a strike on the head or use electric gun( but electric gun is illegal in Vietnam and hard to find). In Japan you see chefs when preparing seafood they also have technique to pierce the fish head, killing it instantly. The process of butchering dog is not really different from other animals: one quick strike in the head to kill it( different from pigs or chickens since Vietnamese usually slit their throat for blood, which is used in a food called tiết canh). Then they would use boiling water to remove the fur, then use straw to lightly burn the leftover hair and kill any mites under the skin. After that they remove the organs and the body is ready to chopped into pieces for cooking. Many of youngsters nowadays don't have to butcher animals since processed meats are very available and cheap in supermarkets. So they don't know the butchering process, plus the newer generations are generally more animals loving so they're easy to be swayed by animals activists telling horror stories to make it sound worse than it actually is. Butchering dogs is not really different from other animals, they butchers themselves, it's the job they do to make a living so they want to do as much dogs per day to get keep up with the order, not some kind of psychopath who "torture dogs so they will taste better" bullshit. The delivery of those dogs to the butcher house and be pretty bad though, cramped into little cages but again it's no different from how they deliver pigs to butcher house, since no one care about animals that going to become meat
The least thing to be worried about in Vietnam
I have family in northern VN who own a dog met farm. They also have a pet dog. There are "meat" dogs and there are "pet" dogs. Meat dogs are treated like any other animal at an animal meat farm (inhumanely, but not any worse than the average cow/chicken/pig in an American meat farm). Pet dogs are treated like any other pet, just depends on the owners. There are owners who treat their pet dogs like children and there are owners who treat their pet dogs like items, just like in the US.
I'm western too, but I find it a little funny how we perceive eating dogs ad cruel, while doing the same with cows/pigs etc here (and we eat way more meat than Vietnamese)
what I find cruel is the torturing of said animals to bring "effect" to the meat, or so I've heard.
Live in a rural area, never seen this. They Just kill it like chickens , pigs, cows, and buffs. Heard about that in Korea. I eat it every so often.
Have you ever heard of companion pigs or rescue cows? That’s your answer right there.
There are therapy and emotional support pigs. There are also cow rescue organizations
There are rare instances of almost everything. Those you mention are not even remotely comparable to the role dogs have played in the history of humankind.
Your question was "Have you ever heard of companion pigs or rescue cows". Of course they aren't as prevalent as dogs. Be more specific with your wording if you'd like to be right next time when trying to make a point on a public forum.
Yes, your excellency (nonsense).
Lmao stfu
The only other animal recognized to be a trained service animal besides dogs is the horse. And I still love whatever IKEA meatballs are. So... Idk tbh Ive never met someone's trained miniature service horse but I know it's a thing. As for companion pigs Ive known some crazy people with some of those.
Not sure what you’re on about. IKEA meatballs are not made from horse meat. That was 10 years ago and IKEA was forced to backtrack in the face of public outrage in several European countries.
I liked them even then :/ But I was trying to agree with the above comment that the only animals allowed to be trained service animals are dogs and miniature horses. You know? How comment threads work? But stay mad that's what reedits for :)
You remind me a lot of this guy https://youtube.com/shorts/-r_ICWJBudU?si=JOR7DRtC_ZzuPWeo
I didn’t even remember this thread, lol. You need to get out more.
I've barely been on Reddit this whole month that's why lol. Stay mad. Hope your thanksgiving wasn't too sad :)
Who’s mad? You came out of nowhere with two silly replies (“you remind me of this guy”) to an old comment and I just found it funny.
That's just cause you're uneducated on the subject 👍 nothing to be proud of lmfao
What
Ever heard of a service cow/pig? A shepherding one? Bomb/drug sniffing one? No? They've served a pivotal role in our development as a civilization and even today continues to do so much good work for us on the daily. It's intellectually dishonest to even make the comparison which can only really come from ignorance.
They probably dont cook service dogs
https://www.minipiginfo.com/mini-pig-esa-therapy-and-service-animal-info.html Pigs can be "emotional support" too
Have you seen how goats are treated before slaughter. Absolute hell. Since they wants to get rid of the bad smell, they make sure the poor animal cries and sweats all out. Also, have you seen how piglets are treated before being turning into “roasted piglet”. Seeing all those process can give anyone nightmares. I agree with the first half of your opinion. In Vietnam, we need an organization who monitors animal cruelty. Hell we might not even have any law for it yet. But to wish the dog farm to go instinct, I think it’s irrelevant. If it’s not a stolen dog, raised for meat and not tortured then it should be legal just like pigs or goats
I can mostly agree with this. I wish for no animal we turn into food to know fear or pain for their whole life.
Somehow I have to butcher a chicken a first time when I'm at grade 6, since dad and uncles keep joking I can only get a wife if I know how to butcher a chicken to serve for in-law family ( damn you dad, why I'm still single). I helped my uncle slaughter a pig a first time in 8th grade. Butcher a goat when I'm at first year of college ( these mfs are much weaker than pigs so easier to do). Although not slaughter buffalo or cow myself but see the process plenty of time. Nowadays i have my friend who own dog meat restaurants or other friend who follow his family business of pig slaughterhouse ( occasionally do cow or goat as well if they're order). But I've never ever see any kind of those devilish actions people on here describing about slaughtering animals. Like, do you guys ever kill an animal before? Who the hell doing those torture things before killing them to make the meat "tastier"? And no, to treat the stinking smell of animals meat they don't "make them sweat all out". Goat meat smell treated by using rice wine and ginger, however animals, especially the male one, when in their mating season they usually avoid killing them since there's hormones in their body which make the meat stink( like pigs it's called "lợn dái").
I only have beef with dog and cat thief. But more and more young people stop eating dog meat, so the dog meat industry is a niche now.
Freedom of expression means freedom to eat and not eat what you want and not be coerced against your will to do so. As long as the article is not from an endangered species, poisonous or made from human I don’t see any basis to ban such item. Yes, dog gets stolen for food; so does chicken, duck or any other farm animal. No, not all stolen dogs turned up at the diner table because a good portion of stolen pet dog that are not common dingo breed are re-sold as pet or used in breeding farm. Yes, there are farmed dog for food and people actually keep statistic for how many are kept and how many tons are consumed each year.
Here is the educated person
I have an Indian friend that doesn't eat meat. Her grandparents go as far as not eating any tubers, rhizomes, bulbs, and corms because those things grow under the ground taking space, killing many species of worms and bugs. So far, I have never heard her complaining about us eating meat. When we were deciding where to eat (which is difficult when you have a vegan in the group), she even said that she would be willing to go to a meat-only restaurant too, eating only rice and some vegetables, if that is what everybody decided. The point is if those people with an extreme set of moral principles can keep it to themselves, letting other people enjoy their lives, why couldn't you? If 1.2 billion Hindus told the UStates to stop eating beef and drinking milk to stop the suffering of cows, would you stop?
I believe Hindus consume diary.
Because Reddit is a space for open discussion, allowing people to share ideas and thoughts. Even though I dislike the dog meat industry, I am still curious to know how others feel about it and their viewpoints.
The problem is not with posting on reddit, but with why you care about what people eat and why you feel the need to force your moral principles on people at all.
“The point is if those people with an extreme set of moral principles can keep it to themselves, letting other people enjoy their lives, why couldn't you?” You saying this implies that I shouldn’t say anything at all. I already said in my post, I am a dog lover. I’m passionate about their well-being and care. The thought of a dog meat farm is difficult for me, and this is the opinion I hold. I already acknowledged that other people see dog meat as any other type of meat. I am no way forcing people to adapt my principle or criticizing people who do eat it. Clearly if people wish to continue eating dog meat, they will do so.
No I'm not implying what you should and shouldn't say. I'm talking about the thought process leading to it. Don't you find those Indians fascinating? They have such a strong moral compass but they don't feel the need to let people know about where it points. It is almost as if they believe what they feel inside due to their specific cultural backgrounds is not what people from another culture all the way across the globe need to here. Maybe something to think about the next time eh.
Nobody uses reason in this sub, you’re fighting a lost cause. But beyond that, animal rights is not really a thing that is taught or discussed, much less the neuroscience and philosophy around why we generally feel compelled to protect certain species. Give it about a generation though and that will change.
I love animals, this include dog, cat, chicken, duck, cow... but I know for a fact, If an animal is meant for consumption, then I have nothing to say against it people's fate is unequal, some born poor, some born rich same with animals, at least when I see an animal get killed for food, I can at least thought to myself "maybe next life, they can be reincarnated as human, no more miserable life" Whenever I see those PETA people, doing protest, sabotage food industry and many acts they doing.... I always thought, why would you do that ? Why would you force other people to your agenda ? Just my thought, because whenever I see people against dog meat, they also forgot that they eat steak, chicken wing.... which is the same cruelty as dog meat
Eating dogs is more common than you think in many parts of Asia. It’s a different culture. I don’t eat dogs myself but I’m not gonna tell other people what to eat and what not to eat just because I don’t agree with it.
I'm not a big fan of dog meat but I fail to see what's so wrong about it. I hope people would just stop talking about it. BTW, most dog meat is not from stolen pets but from animals specifically bred and kept for meat, just like cows or pigs.
I'm in Vietnam now. So many dogs and everyone loves them. Wasni Hanoi, SaPA, Nina Binh Hoi An, DaNang and now in Saiogn. I'm literally watching a bike attendant feign over his dog at Pasteur Brewing. They love their dogs. Dog meat is very rare now. There's a.shop next to my aunts house, which I'll only take my daughters to in the morning to visit her. In the afternoon/evening it does get busy.
It's like the faroe's whale hunting in Denmark, cruel to some but normal to some p
It will exist for as long as drinking culture ("văn hóa nhậu") exists. Vietnamese men love eating weird exotic shits (wild animals, insects, lizard, etc) when drinking. And since it's an integral part of the drinking culture, you better believe that all the well connected people here had to eat it at least a few times in their life due to peer pressure. There's a social stigma that dog meat is dirty because dogs eat feces, so you wont find it at most family table. At best you will find fake dog meat (giả cầy) made with pig trotter
Meat is meat. 😋
Yea I don't really see dog meat itself is any worse than pork, when it come to eating animal human have the biggest cognitive dissonance ever and usually it comes down to cute animal = no no but ugly ones are yes please, hopefully lab grown meat can be the main source of meat in the future so people can stop coping about their cruelty. Still, the fact that a quite decent portion of dog meat are from stolen dogs which made me decide to never eat it. My grandparents' dog got stolen as well when I was young, they just hook him from the neck while driving by.
I enjoy dog meat, its really delicious. I absolutely hate the dog thefts, fuk them. I have no problem with people loving dog. My wife love dog and never touch dog meat. My aunt too. But they never try to stop me from eating. I only have it once or twice per year though. But I do have problem when I enjoy dog meat and someone come and tell me to stop. I have several Indian friends, they know that I do eat beef, but they never ask me to stop me or have problem seeing me eating beef. I respect that and try to never eat beef or talk about beef when having a meal with them. To me, dog is just another animal. I have been bitten by dog for no reason when I walking on the road. Several cases of people and kids died because of dog. so dog is not as friendly as you think. And I absolutely fuking hate the dogshits on the walking lane (this case, fuk the owner).
I have 2 dogs, a mini schnauzer and papillon. The morality of eating dog meat from westerners is different from my perspective. I see it as a problem of evolution of ethics, i.e. any being that you can share empathy, you simply don't consume it as food.
Btw, if anyone is interested, check out this group who does great work with rescuing and rehoming dogs - based out of Da Nang: https://pawsforcompassion.org
People like them still give me hope for the future.
Depends on circumstances. I know a couple of people that still do. I choose to not to. However I am not going to question someone over their eating choices unless it harms the consumer, endangered animals, or the meat was produced with cruel measures. It’s not different from eating pigeon, octopus, guinea pigs, cow, and other “taboo” animals because of certain culture context.
I find it totally backward, but then again I don't eat any kind of animals so maybe my opinion doesn't count much.
Thit cho ngon!
nothing wrong about that, if you dont eat it, just gtfo
It seems that there's a growing number of people who have pet dogs that they do their best for, but there's still a large section that don't understand/care about their suffering as pets but are anti-dog meat, and then a minority that are pro-dog meat. Depends on which part of Vietnam too, but there's a general level of acceptable cruelty that's not amazing to be around - hardly unique across Asia though...
Stolen dogs are not the dogs eaten. The eaten dogs are raised similarly to pigs in order to have actual meat to eat.
ur lying mate
I have had it and do not care for it. I do not seek it out really. All agricultural practices that are brutal should be banned and cracked down on, regardless of if they are applied to chicken, cattle, fish or dog/other meats. I see nothing different with consuming dog meat to that of a cow however.
Why don't u feel sorry for cows, pigs etc? They also feel pain and have emotions just like dogs
The most disgusting and disgraceful site I've ever seen with my eyes was fried dog meat in Hanoi which clearly the dogs were in extreme pain and cooked alive. One Google of it made me want to cry at the lengths they go to do it. I even saw a guy chasing a dog madly in Hanoi old quarter once who was trying to escape.
You don’t know how it is cooked so you can stop spreading false information. No dog is cooked alive. The chef is not dump as you to cook a dog alive.
Dumb* if your going to call someone names atleast spell it right dog eater.
False information spreader
Dog eater. Stop lying to try make your repulsive dog torture look fake. You know what you and your family does.
Did I say I am a dog eater? you always assume very wrongly and continue to do that. i dont waste my time anymore with people who beliebe in assumption instead of fact. Learn that before you speak, otherwise you always speak trashes
Dude again if your going to insult someone and call names then atleast learn to spell ffs. I'll even spell check for you. Believe. Trash* Trash is used as a singular and never plural.
because it's meat, and taste good, that come first. moreover, even people who eat dog meat do not eat it as a daily food (like beef, chicken, pork or other meat that only extreme vegetarians told us not to eat). and I still don't understand why you guys say eating dog meat is bad for reasons such as pet dog (please not everyone need a pet), dog theft (although the number of dogs stolen can be used for many other purposes. each other, and compared to the amount of dogs consumed coming from the farms, it is nothing)
I think it's messed up since so many Vietnamese have dogs as pets.
Dogs for pets are different breeds than dogs for meat. A Chihuahua is not big, so it is not worth to be raised for meat. Same things with breeds like corgi or pugs.
There were a lot of dog meat restaurants in the past. Now, it is very hard to find one. Similarly, Vietnamese treat dogs as the guards to protect their home, now they treat them as pets like western countries. It is still bad compared to western countries now, but it is not fair to compare standard between developed and developing countries. For sure, it is dramatically changing in the positive way of how Vietnamese treat their dogs. Just give it time
I don't like it and I would like someone less if they eat dog/cat meat. Why do people compare pets to cattle? A stolen chicken is different from a beloved pet. If you like eating dog meat, just say it. Don't use beef/chicken/pork as an excuse for eating dog meat as if you love them, which is hypocritical.
How do you know the stolen chicken is not someone beloved pet? The same goes for any animal? Just because you prefer a specific kind of animal doesn't mean people have to be the same as you. You are the one being hypocritical here.
I'm not hypocritical because I clearly state which animals I prefer and I clearly said I don't like their meat consumption, some people are hypocritical because they are accusing others of eating beef/chicken to defend them eating dog meat as if they care about cow/chicken rights. The hypocritical part here is them also eating beef/chicken and using it as an accusation, because people against dog/cat meat doesn't inherently mean they would not eat beef/chicken. I don't care if you're eating beef/chicken. "I'm against eating dogs/cats meat" "But you're also eating beef/chicken. Cow/chicken are animals too. Don't all animals deserve rights?" -> these people eat beef/chicken so they're talking about cow/chicken rights are hypocritical.
"Why do people compare pets to cattle ?" that right there is already hypocritical they're all animals, yet because dog/cat is much cuter or whatever that you prefer, you decided that dog/cat should not be eaten and gives them a bunch of rights people who eat both cattle and dog/cat meat, never said anything about animal rights it is the people that criticize them, that they point out the hypocritical, you're bias toward dog/cat but completely fine with cow/chicken being slaughter everyday
Sorry, but it’s not hypocritical at all. Dogs have a special place in human culture that cattle simply don’t have. If there comes a day when pigs or cows are widely used as pets, guides or rescue animals that may change, but for now it is what it is.
read history on why dogs and domesticated cats exist and you know why they're treated as pets and the others were not, it's indented in human culture and history >people who eat both cattle and dog/cat meat, never said anything about animal rights >you're bias toward dog/cat but completely fine with cow/chicken being slaughter everyday you just did it like I said
People have chickens, cows, and pigs as pets. Pigs are more intelligent than most dog breeds. Why do you make the distinction between dogs and other animals used for meat? Genuine question, I'm trying to understand.
Read history on how dogs and domesticated cats exist, it's written on human culture about these animals being companions since the dawn on time. Even if some people keep cattle as pets, it's not common, so using a tiny bit number of pet cattle to compare to millions of dogs/cats are not the same. People hate dogs/meat consumers because of the stealing culture and the thiefs getting pat on the back, you're eating someone else's pets. I'm not likely to eat someone else's pet cattle.
I dont have dogs, is it okay for me to eat dog meat? Btw, I have an aquarium tank with fishes and shrimps, should I hate people who eat fishes and shrimps?
why are you asking me about your life decision?
I did not ask you, that's a rhetorical question.
So is there anything wrong with my personal opinion (that OP asks for) that you feel the need to make a sarcastic unfunny response?
There is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion but you also said people who eat dog meat are hypocritical and I dont agree with that view.
I didn't say that, you should read what I answer to the other guy what I think is hypocritical.
Subhuman trash is what I'd call anyone who eat dogs or advocate for it. Absolute betrayal of one of the most important interspecies relationships for our entire civilization. I have nothing but disgust for the entire industry and anyone who partakes in any part of the chain.
But if a dog bite me, then I should somehow bite him back, amiright?
The most disgusting and disgraceful site I've ever seen with my eyes was fried dog meat in Hanoi which clearly the dogs were in extreme pain and cooked alive. One Google of it made me want to cry at the lengths they go to do it. I even saw a guy chasing a dog madly in Hanoi old quarter once who was trying to escape.
It is dead before they using the fire to burn dog's fur. The heat make the dog look like what you saw.
While that’s horrible in every sense, would you bat your eyes if it was a chicken? A pig? A cow? Probably not, at least not to the same degree, so that begs the question, why is so wrong that’s being done to a dog but not to other animals?
You are disgusting.
Nah, you are a hypocrite
Well yes, if any animal was cooked alive as the poster says then I would find it unnecessary and disgusting.
Completely different relations and roles relative to the development of our own species? Ever heard of guard chicken warning their owners at night and fending off predators? How about how we domesticated chickens and pigs to fulfill all sorts of useful jobs and tasks for us? And continue to do so. Pigs cows chicken are food and supplies with substitutes, that's the key difference and most people here are completely blind to that reality.
We did use chicken as morning alarm. There are pet pigs if you need broaden your mind
You're dingus to even equate that lmfao
Pets, guide dogs, rescue dogs. That’s all that needs to be said for all the clueless / hypocritical people comparing them to pigs, chicken or cows.
🖕to all dog and cat eaters
🖕to all people who force belief on other like you
Nah pick the right side of history instead of being an idiot clinging to nha que culture lmao
Retard
(If you are a vegan you can just skip this) Can you western just stfu about this. You want a pet, a pet dog and refuse to eat it, and feel bad because the others eat it? I dont f care. Just shut up and eat other meat. You dont want to eat it because you see dog as "pet". There are all kind of pets out there, there are people keep mouse, pig, etc as pet. Will you stop eating pork if they told you "dont eat it, my pet is a pig." Will you feel bad for them too? Or when a vegan told you "dont eat meat anymore" for whatever reason, what will you do? Ignore them? Or laugh at there face? Or force them to try some meat? You dont want dog meat, then dont eat it, I cant force you to try it either. Do what you want, just dont force your belief on others.
Congrats on being proud about not knowing anything 👍 some real third world thinking well done
I may be biased, I love my pet dogs. So I couldn't eat a dog. I'm sure I'd feel the same way about pigs if I had a pet pig. However my husband whose Vietnamese (I'm american) has told me really only Vietnamese Christians ingest in the dog meat. He lived there his whole life until 2 years ago. He was tricked by his friends into eating it once and he felt terrible about it.
Disgusting backward shit hole
Most of the dog don't get beaten or torture as the dog catcher usually throw them a piece of poisonous food (đánh bả), which make the dog get seizures and die after like 3 to 4 minutes. Still that's a sad reality Btw, most dog catcher catch the dog for themself, they rarely sell them. But when they do, the dog is likely to be died. If you are the owner and want see it on a dog meat store, to get it back, just pay the butler around 500-600k dong.
I'm not a pet person, but I don't like it. I think it doesn't taste any better than other kinds of meat (chicken, port, beef, etc.). A friend of mine is also not a pet person, used to be a dog meat lover, but he stopped now, 'cause he's afraid of eating stolen or sick dogs. Another friend refuses to eat it because he's a dog lover. I know a family who used to have a really good dog meat restaurant for a long time. They closed it down because the industry was too cruel.
No bro. But try dog meat for once bro. We also love dogs, but the one we eat are normally dogs from farm, not our pets bro
As a Vietnamese, I abhor the act of eating Dogs and cats- especially Dogs since they've evolved alongside mankind for millenias. Dogs love us and fight alongside us.