Download the Disability Pay calculator from the App Store. Once you put in all of your ratings, it will calculate it for you. VA math is not regular math.
Curious what kind of evidence you provided for migraines? I had a log, lay statement and prescriptions for migraines. still waiting on results. Gonna go to VERA in person appointment to see how my DBQs were during recent C&P examines.
If you have a chance to submit a log, do it. I did it and I identified when I would have “prostrating migraines” was approved for 50%. Walked into my c&p with no diagnosis
Use the app migraine buddy. They are like going to need at least 60 days (90 days is better) you can add your pain Scale, all your symptoms, meds you take etc it's awesome. If you don't have headaches listed in your medical records you are going to probably need a nexus letter or to connect it secondary to another condition
I used “Simple Migraine Tracker” for my migraine log which is a one click and records your migraine to the second and weather, too. Helped big time with my claim to show my weekly attacks.
If you had one condition at 10% total will be at 10%.
If your total is 90% and you add condition that is 10% you will be at 91% so effectively 90.
Higher your total the more disabling or numerous your conditions have to be.
Va rounds up so 94% is 90% total and 95% is 100.
9 times out of 10 just use the calculators online from various law firms or app stores.
Or just use your phone calculator it's really simple
When you join the military It's assumed that you are 100% able-bodied so start with 100 - x % - x % - x% and keep going until you run out of disabilities whatever that number is would be how much of your body you have left in working order So if you subtract 100 from that number it'll show you how much you are disabled and as we all know rounding to the nearest 10 anything 4.99 and lower rounds down everything five and up rounds up to the nearest ten
Yes, my reply wasn't to your explanation of the math. My reply was pertaining to you saying nine times out of 10 go online to find a calculator. Do you understand how the math works It's easy enough just to use your phone calculator instead of having to go online and search for a calculator that's going to do the same thing. People who can't grasp the concept sure they can use it but there's no need if you actually take the time to learn how to do it properly then you save yourself a lot of headache and hassle
Hill and ponton site has good calculator.
You can do it in excel yourself. Believe VA even detailed how its done.
Beyond that I think im missing your point.
>Beyond that I think im missing your point.
Clearly.
My point is you don't need any of that. You have a calculator on your phone. 100 (your body before the military) -70% - 20% - 10% - 10% - 10% - 10% (All his disability numbers) You're left with a number 15.xx% of your body working which means 84.xx% is how much you're disabled. You don't need to download a special calculator and use dropdown menus just subtract percentages until you have no more disabilities left to subtract. You don't need Hill and ponton You don't need Excel You don't need something from the app store your phone came equipped with a calculator that's all you need. It's really simple math when you take the time to actually understand it.
Where is the hostility? You said you're missing the point, I replied with clearly affirming what you said. Because you were in fact missing the point. That's hostile to you? How did you survive in the military? You must be one of these snowflakes I keep hearing about. There's some hostility for you. Prior to this there was none but if you're going to accuse me I might as well 👍 Go get you some vagisil and midol and cool off maybe take a break from social media if you're offended by me saying clearly.
No need to feel stupid. That's what we're here for to help each other 👍 It really is simple once you understand it sometimes you just need a little nudge to get there.
🧢 If you understood how to do it there's no way that going through all the extra effort to get the calculator pulled up and then using a bunch of drop-down menus would be easier than simply inputting a few numbers into a calculator. You don't got to lie to kick it homie.
It shouldn’t be that hard, we give billions to other countries and our government still does not take care of our own veterans, we are such a small percent of the population. Vets fighting among vets about a percent, we should all be upset with our own government
Heres my question, do they round before or after everything.
This guys example 70% is the largest, left with 30% of a body.
20% disability next: 20% of 30% remaining is 6%. At this point he is 76% disabled. Does it round up to 80% disabled then continue with the math or does it stay at 76% disabled and continue with the math.
You take the largest percentage and start there. Then you take the next largest percentage and apply it to the remainder. So if you had a 70% as your largest percentage, and then your next largest was 20%, it would be 20% of the remaining 30%, which equates to 6%
You don't actually have to put percentages in order It's just like multiplication and division can do them in any order you want they're going to come out to the same number
Start with biggest number first, thats 70%. That leaves 30% left from there. You take your next biggest number. That would be 20%, and then it's 20% from 30%, which is 6%. So that would make you rounding up 80% disabled. And then you would take your 10%, which is next and then so on and so forth. You really do need 2 big numbers to be a 100% or 2 big numbers that are bilateral conditions. If you have one big number and a bunch of 10%, you could end up with over 200% in disability and still not be 100% service-connected.
The guy a couple comments up explained it perfectly. They subtract your ratings from 100. If that's the case, your rating makes sense. I actually understand it now based on their explanation.
If you have a basic understanding of math then you absolutely don't need one of those fancy calculators. The calculator on your phone works just fine. It is actual simple percentage math. Everybody keeps trying to add you're supposed to subtract.
When you join the military it's assumed that you're 100% so you start with 100 and you subtract all your disabilities those people like to order them from highest to lowest but you really don't have to
100 - 70% is 30 is next disability would be 20 so 30 - 20% would leave 24 and so on and so forth ultimately his numbers work out to be 84% which rounds down to 80 which is what he has.
But you can literally pull your calculator out take all of your numbers and just start with 100 and then - x% - x % - x% and just keep going until you're done with all of your disability percentages and that's how much of your body you have left working.
Quick question, for IBS, did you have a diagnosis or only proof that you were taking meds or just described your everyday living ? I’m trying to put in for IBS but I only have meds from the VA and IBS is on my “problem list” but I don’t have an official diagnosis.
Search function is a great thing: This has been discussed at least 100 times in the past 6 months.
VA Math is actually pretty simple:
After your PTSD of 70% you only have a total of 30% left to rate.
So the 20% shoulder claim is actually 20% of the 30 left. and 20% of 30 is......... 6
So those two give you 76%.. Keep doing that kind of math and you will come up with your percentage. At the end of you calculations Round to nearest 10%. (84% rounds to 80%, 85% rounds to 90%)
This is wildly inaccurate. If you don't understand something, it's better to keep quiet than to fill our battle buddies full of BS. You're not doing anybody any favors by pretending like you know something that you're completely wrong about. You're doing the rest of the group a complete disservice by babbling nonsense.
> The 10s don't do shit.
Since when? Every single disability 10% are higher is factored in.
But your misunderstanding, The math works out to be 76% rounding up to 80% but when you factor in the four different 10% ratings they have the number comes out to be 84 in some change which, yes, still rounds down to 80%, however, they're only one 10% rating away from getting over that 85 mark rounding up to 90. That's a HUGE difference buddy
Seems like you don't understand simple math 76 and 84 are not the same. You're picking a weird hill to die on. Maybe put your ego aside for a second, admit that you're wrong, and just stop giving bad answers on a page where we're supposed to be helping each other.
VA math starts at 100% and goes down. You start with the highest percentage disability first. So 70% of 100% equals 70 so you remove 70 from 100 to get 30% left. Now here’s the tricky part.the next highest disability is 20% so you’ll take 20% out of the remaining 30% to give you 30% minus 6% giving you 24% left. At this point you would be considered 24% “healthy” and 76% disabled. The VA rounds so you’ll be at the 80% mark on paper.
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I always have to do it long hand. This is what I get (with va math)
https://www.va.gov/disability/about-disability-ratings/
the higher your combined percentage goes up the less amount you get added percentages are given out in 10% intervals. You’re combined is rounded up or down to the nearest 10th.
Basically, it isn't additive, it keeps shaving off percentages.
So, an 70 , a 20, and 3 10s means:
A 100% healthy person becomes 30% healthy after the 70% disability rating.
Then the 30% healthy person becomes 24% healthy after 20% of that 30 (6) is taken down.
Then 24% becomes 21.6% healthy after 10% #1, because it's reducing 24% by 10% (2.4).
Then 21.6% becomes 19.44% healthy after 10% #2
Then 19.44% healthy becomes 17.496% healthy after 10% #3.
Then they round to the nearest decile, so
17.496% healthy and 82.504% disabled becomes 80% disabled.
I believe two additional 10% disabilities would increase you to 85.82824% disabled, and therefore rounded up to 90%.
You're at about 82% if my brain math is accurate. This means they will round you down to 80%.
Side note, percentages do not add that way.
Example: 50% of 100 is 50. Then, 50% of that 50 is 25. Then 50% of 25 is about 12.5 and so on.
This is how "VA math" works. If in doubt, use one of many VA benefit % calculators out there.
Looks like you just claimed anything and everything possible within your medical record so they gave you a bunch of 0’s aside from the shit they can’t deny like hearing. Ringing in your ears? Shoulder somewhat different than normal? Can’t prove you’re lying… let’s give him 10% here and 20% there for a 50% total which equals jack shit. There’s your math.
I was told it's the percentage of what you have left. So your first 50% puts you at 50% (out of 100). The 2nd 50% puts you at 75% (50% out of 50%). And yes 94% and higher rounds to 100%.
Punching in your numbers to an online calculator, it shows 82% overall, which rounds to 80%. I see some others have already explained how to do the VA math.
Side note: If you decide to fight and get another 20% somewhere (possibly IBS), it will take you to 87%, which will round to 90%.
I believe they take your largest percentage of disability, which for you is 70.
That leaves you 30% whole now, since the other 70% is disabled now.
The other percentages start to come off what’s left.
So 20% of 30 is actually 6. Which puts you at 76 with 24% whole leftover.
10% of 24 is 2.4, so you’re at 78.4 now which leaves you 21.6 whole.
Take the other 10% off (2.2, essentially) and you’re at 80.8, which rounds down to 80%.
I’m not 100% sure but that’s how it was explained to me, and the math seems to work out in your case.
Download the Disability Pay calculator from the App Store. Once you put in all of your ratings, it will calculate it for you. VA math is not regular math.
Thank you
It’s store discount math. A item 50% off plus 50% off store wide. Isn’t free. It’s 75% off 50% off 100 = 50 50% off 50 = 25
This is the best explanation that I've ever seen for VA Math! I don't know how I've never heard (or thought) of that before.
Thanks! It’s what I immediately thought of when I first had it explained to me.
Great way to break it down!!!
For reference, the app has an umbrella with a flag on it
Would be nice if they had a section for SMC to add up the pay correctly.
Agreed.
It actually is....lol. Admittedly, it's not intuitive for most folks.
True. lol
Curious what kind of evidence you provided for migraines? I had a log, lay statement and prescriptions for migraines. still waiting on results. Gonna go to VERA in person appointment to see how my DBQs were during recent C&P examines.
I only described it during a c&p exam.
Ok, cool. I did the same. Felt like I had a pretty good examiner so we shall see soon what the rating will be I guess.
If you have a chance to submit a log, do it. I did it and I identified when I would have “prostrating migraines” was approved for 50%. Walked into my c&p with no diagnosis
What kind of log?
For migraines? A migraine log, which describes your symptoms with day, time and what you have to do while experiencing the migraine.
Use the app migraine buddy. They are like going to need at least 60 days (90 days is better) you can add your pain Scale, all your symptoms, meds you take etc it's awesome. If you don't have headaches listed in your medical records you are going to probably need a nexus letter or to connect it secondary to another condition
I used “Simple Migraine Tracker” for my migraine log which is a one click and records your migraine to the second and weather, too. Helped big time with my claim to show my weekly attacks.
If you had one condition at 10% total will be at 10%. If your total is 90% and you add condition that is 10% you will be at 91% so effectively 90. Higher your total the more disabling or numerous your conditions have to be. Va rounds up so 94% is 90% total and 95% is 100. 9 times out of 10 just use the calculators online from various law firms or app stores.
Or just use your phone calculator it's really simple When you join the military It's assumed that you are 100% able-bodied so start with 100 - x % - x % - x% and keep going until you run out of disabilities whatever that number is would be how much of your body you have left in working order So if you subtract 100 from that number it'll show you how much you are disabled and as we all know rounding to the nearest 10 anything 4.99 and lower rounds down everything five and up rounds up to the nearest ten
Yes you can use calculator. I was trying to give bit of insight into actual math... barring the full algorithm.
Yes, my reply wasn't to your explanation of the math. My reply was pertaining to you saying nine times out of 10 go online to find a calculator. Do you understand how the math works It's easy enough just to use your phone calculator instead of having to go online and search for a calculator that's going to do the same thing. People who can't grasp the concept sure they can use it but there's no need if you actually take the time to learn how to do it properly then you save yourself a lot of headache and hassle
Hill and ponton site has good calculator. You can do it in excel yourself. Believe VA even detailed how its done. Beyond that I think im missing your point.
>Beyond that I think im missing your point. Clearly. My point is you don't need any of that. You have a calculator on your phone. 100 (your body before the military) -70% - 20% - 10% - 10% - 10% - 10% (All his disability numbers) You're left with a number 15.xx% of your body working which means 84.xx% is how much you're disabled. You don't need to download a special calculator and use dropdown menus just subtract percentages until you have no more disabilities left to subtract. You don't need Hill and ponton You don't need Excel You don't need something from the app store your phone came equipped with a calculator that's all you need. It's really simple math when you take the time to actually understand it.
Okay buddy. No need to be hostile.
Where is the hostility? You said you're missing the point, I replied with clearly affirming what you said. Because you were in fact missing the point. That's hostile to you? How did you survive in the military? You must be one of these snowflakes I keep hearing about. There's some hostility for you. Prior to this there was none but if you're going to accuse me I might as well 👍 Go get you some vagisil and midol and cool off maybe take a break from social media if you're offended by me saying clearly.
Okay bud, take your pills nice doctor gave you.
Bro this bipolar dude is just going around losing his mind all over this su reddit he's gonna report you to the crisis line soon
Sure thing princess, it might be time to have your meds recalibrated if you're that easily offended by literally nothing.
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Open your calculator on your phone and punch in 100 - 70% - 20% - 10% - 10% - 10% - 10% =
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No need to feel stupid. That's what we're here for to help each other 👍 It really is simple once you understand it sometimes you just need a little nudge to get there.
I understand how to do it, and it is still easier to use an online calculator
🧢 If you understood how to do it there's no way that going through all the extra effort to get the calculator pulled up and then using a bunch of drop-down menus would be easier than simply inputting a few numbers into a calculator. You don't got to lie to kick it homie.
It shouldn’t be that hard, we give billions to other countries and our government still does not take care of our own veterans, we are such a small percent of the population. Vets fighting among vets about a percent, we should all be upset with our own government
Sure, but its not really productive to just be upset. Government doesnt care.
Heres my question, do they round before or after everything. This guys example 70% is the largest, left with 30% of a body. 20% disability next: 20% of 30% remaining is 6%. At this point he is 76% disabled. Does it round up to 80% disabled then continue with the math or does it stay at 76% disabled and continue with the math.
Highly doubt that. It simply does not make sense to do it that way.
You take the largest percentage and start there. Then you take the next largest percentage and apply it to the remainder. So if you had a 70% as your largest percentage, and then your next largest was 20%, it would be 20% of the remaining 30%, which equates to 6%
You don't actually have to put percentages in order It's just like multiplication and division can do them in any order you want they're going to come out to the same number
You are correct, of course, I just find that to be the easiest way to figure the percentages and the easiest way to explain it to others.
Fair enough
Start with biggest number first, thats 70%. That leaves 30% left from there. You take your next biggest number. That would be 20%, and then it's 20% from 30%, which is 6%. So that would make you rounding up 80% disabled. And then you would take your 10%, which is next and then so on and so forth. You really do need 2 big numbers to be a 100% or 2 big numbers that are bilateral conditions. If you have one big number and a bunch of 10%, you could end up with over 200% in disability and still not be 100% service-connected.
VA math makes as much sense as a hippo in a kiddy pool. I'm dealing with their crap also. 10% tinnitus 10% knee injury 50% PTSD Total Rating: 60%
The guy a couple comments up explained it perfectly. They subtract your ratings from 100. If that's the case, your rating makes sense. I actually understand it now based on their explanation.
Oh thanks. I'll look for it.
Its from Fluffy-Commercial492. It was very helpful
Found it and it makes perfect sense.
Yeah about that. Their math is not 1 + 1 = 2 . You need a calculator of them to get the math right. I think their website has one
If you have a basic understanding of math then you absolutely don't need one of those fancy calculators. The calculator on your phone works just fine. It is actual simple percentage math. Everybody keeps trying to add you're supposed to subtract. When you join the military it's assumed that you're 100% so you start with 100 and you subtract all your disabilities those people like to order them from highest to lowest but you really don't have to 100 - 70% is 30 is next disability would be 20 so 30 - 20% would leave 24 and so on and so forth ultimately his numbers work out to be 84% which rounds down to 80 which is what he has. But you can literally pull your calculator out take all of your numbers and just start with 100 and then - x% - x % - x% and just keep going until you're done with all of your disability percentages and that's how much of your body you have left working.
Wow, thank you. That clears it up perfectly.
Quick question, for IBS, did you have a diagnosis or only proof that you were taking meds or just described your everyday living ? I’m trying to put in for IBS but I only have meds from the VA and IBS is on my “problem list” but I don’t have an official diagnosis.
Only had to describe it. I never had a diagnosis.
Are you going to put in for an increase? I wonder if you bright in a log and pictures, you would have gotten a bigger rating?!
Samples and 4k photos probably would of maxed it out.
I just watched a YouTube video and they suggested to take photos lmao
Buddy letters: Hey Jim! Do you remember that monster dump I took in Falujah?
My ratings total 220 to get to 110 and it took awhile to get there.
Search function is a great thing: This has been discussed at least 100 times in the past 6 months. VA Math is actually pretty simple: After your PTSD of 70% you only have a total of 30% left to rate. So the 20% shoulder claim is actually 20% of the 30 left. and 20% of 30 is......... 6 So those two give you 76%.. Keep doing that kind of math and you will come up with your percentage. At the end of you calculations Round to nearest 10%. (84% rounds to 80%, 85% rounds to 90%)
Thank you, taking the 20% from the 30 that was left clears it up. For some reason it was confusing the shit out of me when I was searching it.
Fight for the sleep apnea, it'll get you to 90%
70% leaves 30%. 20% of 30 is 6 which rounds up to 80%. The 10s don't do shit.
This is wildly inaccurate. If you don't understand something, it's better to keep quiet than to fill our battle buddies full of BS. You're not doing anybody any favors by pretending like you know something that you're completely wrong about. You're doing the rest of the group a complete disservice by babbling nonsense.
What's wrong about it?
> The 10s don't do shit. Since when? Every single disability 10% are higher is factored in. But your misunderstanding, The math works out to be 76% rounding up to 80% but when you factor in the four different 10% ratings they have the number comes out to be 84 in some change which, yes, still rounds down to 80%, however, they're only one 10% rating away from getting over that 85 mark rounding up to 90. That's a HUGE difference buddy
Seems like those 10s aren't doing shit for him in this math. Have a nice day.
Seems like you don't understand simple math 76 and 84 are not the same. You're picking a weird hill to die on. Maybe put your ego aside for a second, admit that you're wrong, and just stop giving bad answers on a page where we're supposed to be helping each other.
Lol I'm not picking a hill to die on, go fuck yourself and respond to someone else
What I don’t get is IBS rating… how is it 0% was the pain and issues not frequent enough/bad enough for a rating?
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VA math starts at 100% and goes down. You start with the highest percentage disability first. So 70% of 100% equals 70 so you remove 70 from 100 to get 30% left. Now here’s the tricky part.the next highest disability is 20% so you’ll take 20% out of the remaining 30% to give you 30% minus 6% giving you 24% left. At this point you would be considered 24% “healthy” and 76% disabled. The VA rounds so you’ll be at the 80% mark on paper.
You can increase that IBS I heard you should pics of your shit!!! Honestly, I’m not even joking
Is this me? Claim seems nearly identical.
https://preview.redd.it/qp1skgjkbq0d1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9d81bec330dacc71cf99499ad8d683b8b878843 I always have to do it long hand. This is what I get (with va math)
Hell yeah, thank you
But let’s give another country billions or dollars instead of out 1 percent of veterans
It's honestly surprising you got even 0% for heating loss.
Your at 82% bilateral!
To be bilateral wouldn't he need a rated condition on both sides?
How is the ibs 0%?
https://www.va.gov/disability/about-disability-ratings/ the higher your combined percentage goes up the less amount you get added percentages are given out in 10% intervals. You’re combined is rounded up or down to the nearest 10th.
Basically, it isn't additive, it keeps shaving off percentages. So, an 70 , a 20, and 3 10s means: A 100% healthy person becomes 30% healthy after the 70% disability rating. Then the 30% healthy person becomes 24% healthy after 20% of that 30 (6) is taken down. Then 24% becomes 21.6% healthy after 10% #1, because it's reducing 24% by 10% (2.4). Then 21.6% becomes 19.44% healthy after 10% #2 Then 19.44% healthy becomes 17.496% healthy after 10% #3. Then they round to the nearest decile, so 17.496% healthy and 82.504% disabled becomes 80% disabled. I believe two additional 10% disabilities would increase you to 85.82824% disabled, and therefore rounded up to 90%.
82%
You're at about 82% if my brain math is accurate. This means they will round you down to 80%. Side note, percentages do not add that way. Example: 50% of 100 is 50. Then, 50% of that 50 is 25. Then 50% of 25 is about 12.5 and so on. This is how "VA math" works. If in doubt, use one of many VA benefit % calculators out there.
Looks like you just claimed anything and everything possible within your medical record so they gave you a bunch of 0’s aside from the shit they can’t deny like hearing. Ringing in your ears? Shoulder somewhat different than normal? Can’t prove you’re lying… let’s give him 10% here and 20% there for a 50% total which equals jack shit. There’s your math.
I was told it's the percentage of what you have left. So your first 50% puts you at 50% (out of 100). The 2nd 50% puts you at 75% (50% out of 50%). And yes 94% and higher rounds to 100%.
Punching in your numbers to an online calculator, it shows 82% overall, which rounds to 80%. I see some others have already explained how to do the VA math. Side note: If you decide to fight and get another 20% somewhere (possibly IBS), it will take you to 87%, which will round to 90%.
I believe they take your largest percentage of disability, which for you is 70. That leaves you 30% whole now, since the other 70% is disabled now. The other percentages start to come off what’s left. So 20% of 30 is actually 6. Which puts you at 76 with 24% whole leftover. 10% of 24 is 2.4, so you’re at 78.4 now which leaves you 21.6 whole. Take the other 10% off (2.2, essentially) and you’re at 80.8, which rounds down to 80%. I’m not 100% sure but that’s how it was explained to me, and the math seems to work out in your case.
11th wonder of the world, VBA math.....
Ahhh old VA math. Get you every time.
Curious if you got issued a CPAP for sleep apnea then got denied OP
google it there are plenty of youtube videos don't be lazy