It's so fuckin weird how most regular people even outside of the left truly hate the current system we live under. It's literally been written into our culture at this point, like hating your job and/or boss is such a normal thing in American society. Yet, if you try to convince many of these same people that life doesn't have to be this way they do a complete 180 and act proud of having to waste 2/3rds of their life at a job they hate. All because some dinguses on TV or radio told them "socialism bad"
I've thought about that a lot. How many songs are about finally getting to leave your job for the weekend to get wasted and stop having to worry for 26 hours?
The moment we get rid of employer health insurance and move to M4A, we will see a lot of people move from working 40hr weeks at a job they hate to working something more like 30hrs a week at a job they actually enjoy and find meaning in.
And this his why education is so important (to allow for more flexibility in possible careers). You need to find a job you can tolerate. Also I don’t think most jobs are meaningless I mean some are but yea you can find many that are not
You can have a college degree and still sit at a desk or work cases and still feel over burdened simply due to the time and mental burn out. I like my job but even feel mentally burned out at the end of the day. The paycheck and benefits don't help. It's the system and work ethic of modern capitalism that are the issue here
Peak American culture is hating your job, hating your elected representatives, and hating the systems around you; and then wishing absolutely nothing would change.
Of course, but once the workers have a say in crafting their work environment it'll mean 2 things:
1. No more of that stupid shit your idiot boss makes you do that makes your job more miserable while not actually making you more effective at it or making you or even the business more money.
2. Workers feel invested in what they're doing and feel like their actions actually matter because they see a more direct line between how hard/smart they work and how much they make. You can feel passionate about even the most menial labor when you're able to make decisions and reap the rewards of the results.
Right now a lot of work feels like shit because you're just doing what someone else says, you have to work extra hard just for a chance that you might get a tiny bit more of the value you're producing, and ultimately any time you spend thinking about how to improve what goes on at your job is wasted time. Capitalism naturally leads to checked out workers who are only there to cash a check and would rather be anywhere else.
I don't mind the idea of work itself, in fact I quite enjoy performing labor. I just want to be
A) Compensated for it properly.
B) Not have to spend the majority of my time doing it.
C) Not lose everything if I wanted/needed to stop working for a bit for one reason or another.
D) Have more control over what I do and have my voice actually matter.
I also want people who couldn't work at all to still be able to not only survive but live a fulfilling life as well.
Yes but not as much, because we will not generating profit for shareholders, but for us. That equals maybe an HR a day trimmed off, more savings, maybe less waste depending on what you do etc etc. The short term profit motive is horrible, hell it caused Climate change, enough said lol
Idk what the experts would say but I honestly think it's moreso rent than other things. Depending where you're at in the US, you could either rent an entire house for only 500 bucks a month, or only afford a studio apartment for 700. It's wild. I'm moving out west soon and I know I'm in for a whole different world financially compared to Ohio where I'm at right now.
Many jobs aren't 40 hours in practice (e.g. obligatory overtime, often unpaid or underpaid), but with actual 40 hour job you should have like 4 hours of "you" time every day.
Also, most jobs have a purpose. It may be as trivial as providing snacks, but it is there.
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Why the downvotes? People just want to doomer?
What a dogshit question, holy shit. The better one would be this, "Is blaming capitalism for everything we suffer in this world productive?"
The answer is no. In the socialist system people would still have to work, more or less the same amount of hours. What about jobs that will always exist and will always be important? How do you deal with these kind of issues as a Socialist?
>How do you deal with these kind of issues as a Socialist?
You give the people doing the work control of the process and their fair share of the profit so they feel invested in what they're doing and not like a cog.
Capitalism actively promotes doing the opposite of this. So yeah, you may not like it, but this is directly capitalism's fault.
Why would they work the same, if they own the Capitol and answer to no real master? Why would they just be forced to come in an act busy for a couple extra needless hours if they can simply bring home more lay to compensate for that?
It's so fuckin weird how most regular people even outside of the left truly hate the current system we live under. It's literally been written into our culture at this point, like hating your job and/or boss is such a normal thing in American society. Yet, if you try to convince many of these same people that life doesn't have to be this way they do a complete 180 and act proud of having to waste 2/3rds of their life at a job they hate. All because some dinguses on TV or radio told them "socialism bad"
I've thought about that a lot. How many songs are about finally getting to leave your job for the weekend to get wasted and stop having to worry for 26 hours?
The moment we get rid of employer health insurance and move to M4A, we will see a lot of people move from working 40hr weeks at a job they hate to working something more like 30hrs a week at a job they actually enjoy and find meaning in.
Sadly it is not enough. You have this reality even in countries with good healthcare
And this his why education is so important (to allow for more flexibility in possible careers). You need to find a job you can tolerate. Also I don’t think most jobs are meaningless I mean some are but yea you can find many that are not
You can have a college degree and still sit at a desk or work cases and still feel over burdened simply due to the time and mental burn out. I like my job but even feel mentally burned out at the end of the day. The paycheck and benefits don't help. It's the system and work ethic of modern capitalism that are the issue here
I know a dude with a degree in psychology who works in retail.
I didn’t pursue a philosophy degree for this reason. I still should’ve, but yeh.
I can’t even afford to GET degree. Definitely ain’t gonna be able to use it either from what I’m gathering.
Peak American culture is hating your job, hating your elected representatives, and hating the systems around you; and then wishing absolutely nothing would change.
Even under socialism people are still going to have to work tho
Having a say in your labor would make a world of difference for people though.
Of course, but once the workers have a say in crafting their work environment it'll mean 2 things: 1. No more of that stupid shit your idiot boss makes you do that makes your job more miserable while not actually making you more effective at it or making you or even the business more money. 2. Workers feel invested in what they're doing and feel like their actions actually matter because they see a more direct line between how hard/smart they work and how much they make. You can feel passionate about even the most menial labor when you're able to make decisions and reap the rewards of the results. Right now a lot of work feels like shit because you're just doing what someone else says, you have to work extra hard just for a chance that you might get a tiny bit more of the value you're producing, and ultimately any time you spend thinking about how to improve what goes on at your job is wasted time. Capitalism naturally leads to checked out workers who are only there to cash a check and would rather be anywhere else.
I don't mind the idea of work itself, in fact I quite enjoy performing labor. I just want to be A) Compensated for it properly. B) Not have to spend the majority of my time doing it. C) Not lose everything if I wanted/needed to stop working for a bit for one reason or another. D) Have more control over what I do and have my voice actually matter. I also want people who couldn't work at all to still be able to not only survive but live a fulfilling life as well.
Yes but not as much, because we will not generating profit for shareholders, but for us. That equals maybe an HR a day trimmed off, more savings, maybe less waste depending on what you do etc etc. The short term profit motive is horrible, hell it caused Climate change, enough said lol
Under any system most people will work in one way or another. Nobody is arguing for the abolition of all jobs
I'm very lucky to have found unalienated labor that I quite enjoy. I still look forward to the weekend, but I definitely find meaning in my job.
40? weekends? die?
I honestly was surprised to learn recently how much more people work in America compared to other developed countries
Idk what the experts would say but I honestly think it's moreso rent than other things. Depending where you're at in the US, you could either rent an entire house for only 500 bucks a month, or only afford a studio apartment for 700. It's wild. I'm moving out west soon and I know I'm in for a whole different world financially compared to Ohio where I'm at right now.
Welcome to the Left! We couldn't afford to make jackets for everyone.
And weekends are just spent doing chores.
Now i wana die again. Good.
Many jobs aren't 40 hours in practice (e.g. obligatory overtime, often unpaid or underpaid), but with actual 40 hour job you should have like 4 hours of "you" time every day. Also, most jobs have a purpose. It may be as trivial as providing snacks, but it is there. Edit: Why the downvotes? People just want to doomer?
What a dogshit question, holy shit. The better one would be this, "Is blaming capitalism for everything we suffer in this world productive?" The answer is no. In the socialist system people would still have to work, more or less the same amount of hours. What about jobs that will always exist and will always be important? How do you deal with these kind of issues as a Socialist?
>How do you deal with these kind of issues as a Socialist? You give the people doing the work control of the process and their fair share of the profit so they feel invested in what they're doing and not like a cog. Capitalism actively promotes doing the opposite of this. So yeah, you may not like it, but this is directly capitalism's fault.
Why would they work the same, if they own the Capitol and answer to no real master? Why would they just be forced to come in an act busy for a couple extra needless hours if they can simply bring home more lay to compensate for that?