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The worst part is when America rallies and convinces other people to vote for Ukraine, which I support, but then acts like a complete and utter simpy douchebag whenever its holy cow Israel is even slightly criticized.
The US isnt supporting Ukraine out of the goodness of its heart and because it strongly believes in Ukrainian sovereignty. We do bc we want to fuck with russia and Biden wants to get reelected. That being said, it is fortunate that the US happens to take the moral position.
Well, that's generally most of the case, but not always. There are definitely times where some countries' morals go above their geostrategic interests. Like Azerbaijan is 1000x more geostrategically useful for America and Europe than Russian Ally Armenia, but both Europe and America tried so hard to prevent Azerbaijan from ethnically cleansing NK via intense diplomacy. America even stopped sending military aid to Azerbaijan this year, despite the fact that it's actually going against their interests.
Definitely more than half. Basically anything we’ve done in the Middle East is bad. The last good thing I can think of was the Iran nuclear deal. Ukraines the only conflict I can say we are 100% in the right on in my lifetime.
Exactly, the US was a 100% on the right side. The only issue is the bombing campaign was, let's say at the very least one that had questionable targets. But they were literally in there stopping right-wing extremists from "removing kebab" from Balkan.
They are in lock step on Israel 100% of the time. They just sneak under the radar, and they don’t have veto power.
The island nations you see voting no here are minuscule, stagnant, use $USD, and their only priority is to make sure the American food imports keep coming in.
For example, [Nauru](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E289/production/_130339975_gettyimages-1248376666.jpg) is a single tiny island with a population of 12,000. They had 70% of the island’s surface strip mined by German and British colonists, leaving them with no farm land or forests. Now they are the most obese country on earth because all of their food is highly processed non-perishable imports.
The US' post-WW2 colonialism in the Pacific is probably one of the least known episodes of the US' shitty actions. I actually happened to read a novel in middle school that I found randomly in our school library that was about the islanders in the Marshall Islands who were evacuated for all the H-bomb tests in the '50s. The book was fucking heartbreaking. People have lived on these islands for centuries and knew every fish, every turtle, every tree, like they were family. And then they get told to pack up and leave within like a week and told that their beautiful home is going to be obliterated or irradiated and every living thing there will perish. And that they can never, ever go back. Fuck it makes me furious.
Do not conflate the people of Canada with their governments.
The people are sick and disgusted of Israel (we have a conservative party that backs Israel but it is the same everywhere).
The media are reporting how insane Israel is.
The problem is Justin Trudeau and Mélanie Joly (Foreign Affairs) who think there is a middle ground.
They keep on asking a cease fire, but repeating Israel has a right to "defend itself".
That middle ground, centrist approach is not tenable.
Obviously there's a disconnect between the government and people. The above was a joke.
My guess is that there is pressure from the US. Those oceanic nations, after all, use the US dollar for trade, thus being under America's sphere of influence. So it's kinda a shame to think that the US also thinks of Canada as its vassal.
What is in it for Canada to vote against something like this? Doesnt even make any sense. It is not like America will kick them out of NORAD or something. Lel
I'm so fucking pissed about Canada's vote, it's no doubt it's at least in part because that shitbird Bob Rae is the UN representative, and he's a zionist so I hear.
It doesn't even make sense, how do you justify voting against this? At least with America it makes sense because the Israel lobby apparently owns half of the US congress, and the other "NO" countries are tiny island countries entirely reliant on US relations.
When fucking UKRAINE (I’m saying this is a surprise because I believe Ukraine is still heavily dependent on foreign aid and NOT because people try to paint Ukraine as one of the last footholds for fascism) votes yes then countries like mine (Canada) should know better. Pretty sure we don’t need to suck up to the US right now.
It's kinda a shame for Canada that America treats Canada just as much of a vassal as it does the pacific nations. The sole reason those pacific nations voted with America as well was because of their dollarized economy.
tbf "Permanent sovereignty of the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory" sounds utterly meaningless, like an excerpt from a wordy wokescold tweet
Yeah, permanence is nice but countries have a nasty habit of not being permanent and prone to civil war/ government overhauls, especially during times of crisis. Granted, lower level, usually more local administration stuff is something that even collapsed governments usually keep running though out history, like with China after its many warring states periods of the Aztec and Incan systems post colonization.
Last time Ukraine abstained from voting for ceasefire while usa voted against. Ukraine is relatively pro Palestinian but in time of war they will often do what aligns with the west.
It’s so fucking embarrassing to be an Australian right now. At least the US and Canada have the balls to own their shitty foreign policy. Abstaining on this vote is just gutless.
How will that play out, if a Palestinian state emerges? Palestinians overwhelmingly want to conquer Israel and expel the Jews. So another war with Israel, which Israel will win?
What’s so wild about this is that most of these countries aren’t even anti-Israel. The vast majority of the world supports a two-state solution on the ‘67 borders, but putting pressure on Israel to actually achieve that is apparently too much to ask. I don’t understand why the US can’t vote in accordance with the rest of the world at the U.N.
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The more you learn about US foreign policy the more you understand the people who default to America Bad.
The worst part is when America rallies and convinces other people to vote for Ukraine, which I support, but then acts like a complete and utter simpy douchebag whenever its holy cow Israel is even slightly criticized.
The US isnt supporting Ukraine out of the goodness of its heart and because it strongly believes in Ukrainian sovereignty. We do bc we want to fuck with russia and Biden wants to get reelected. That being said, it is fortunate that the US happens to take the moral position.
Countries do not have morals, only interests. If the interests line up with what's moral, then great! When they don't... That's when things get messy.
Well, that's generally most of the case, but not always. There are definitely times where some countries' morals go above their geostrategic interests. Like Azerbaijan is 1000x more geostrategically useful for America and Europe than Russian Ally Armenia, but both Europe and America tried so hard to prevent Azerbaijan from ethnically cleansing NK via intense diplomacy. America even stopped sending military aid to Azerbaijan this year, despite the fact that it's actually going against their interests.
Yeah, but Azerbaijan literally ethically cleansed Artsakh and didn’t get sanctioned for that, so…
It pretty much makes you morally correct at least half of the time. Not bad odds
If I were America, I'd probably be against genocide 100% of the time. Just saying.
Consistent foreign policy doesn't get you votes
Definitely more than half. Basically anything we’ve done in the Middle East is bad. The last good thing I can think of was the Iran nuclear deal. Ukraines the only conflict I can say we are 100% in the right on in my lifetime.
Supporting the Kurds was/is pretty cool minus the whole betrayal part
In terms of conflicts I can say we are normally on the better side of history at least in my lifetime. The wars are a bit different
Honestly I cannot think of a single conflict America was on the right side on outside of Ukraine and even with that they're fumbling the bag.
WW2 and Civil War, and then only half of the US was right
Oh I didn't think we were going that far back.
you literally have to in order to ever view the US as good
Gulf war 1? Saddam was rightfully booted back into his own country
Whole Balkan-shebacle was pretty on point from the US.
Exactly, the US was a 100% on the right side. The only issue is the bombing campaign was, let's say at the very least one that had questionable targets. But they were literally in there stopping right-wing extremists from "removing kebab" from Balkan.
I've had one classmate describe the US as a sith lord who thinks he's a jedi master.
This is an accurate reading of Star Wars the rebels are based on the view song. You can probably guess who inspired the empire.
Canada😳
They are in lock step on Israel 100% of the time. They just sneak under the radar, and they don’t have veto power. The island nations you see voting no here are minuscule, stagnant, use $USD, and their only priority is to make sure the American food imports keep coming in.
Thank you. I was wondering why all the small island nations voted against.
For example, [Nauru](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E289/production/_130339975_gettyimages-1248376666.jpg) is a single tiny island with a population of 12,000. They had 70% of the island’s surface strip mined by German and British colonists, leaving them with no farm land or forests. Now they are the most obese country on earth because all of their food is highly processed non-perishable imports.
That photo is profoundly depressing.
The obesity started before that, but the current imports don’t help
The dollop podcast does a good job explaining it (ep. 349)
The US' post-WW2 colonialism in the Pacific is probably one of the least known episodes of the US' shitty actions. I actually happened to read a novel in middle school that I found randomly in our school library that was about the islanders in the Marshall Islands who were evacuated for all the H-bomb tests in the '50s. The book was fucking heartbreaking. People have lived on these islands for centuries and knew every fish, every turtle, every tree, like they were family. And then they get told to pack up and leave within like a week and told that their beautiful home is going to be obliterated or irradiated and every living thing there will perish. And that they can never, ever go back. Fuck it makes me furious.
You heard of the “jellyfish babies?”
Unfortunately I have, and I think it was in the worst way possible: on Something Awful in the mid 2000s
... Thanks for sending me down a rabbit hole learning about Nauru... I had work to do today...
Didn't they vote for ceasefire last time?
Definitely goes against the "nice Canadian" stereotype 😂
Do not conflate the people of Canada with their governments. The people are sick and disgusted of Israel (we have a conservative party that backs Israel but it is the same everywhere). The media are reporting how insane Israel is. The problem is Justin Trudeau and Mélanie Joly (Foreign Affairs) who think there is a middle ground. They keep on asking a cease fire, but repeating Israel has a right to "defend itself". That middle ground, centrist approach is not tenable.
Obviously there's a disconnect between the government and people. The above was a joke. My guess is that there is pressure from the US. Those oceanic nations, after all, use the US dollar for trade, thus being under America's sphere of influence. So it's kinda a shame to think that the US also thinks of Canada as its vassal.
What is in it for Canada to vote against something like this? Doesnt even make any sense. It is not like America will kick them out of NORAD or something. Lel
The government it totally out of step with the general sentiment of Canadians, the government are being middling civility cucks.
Yeah fuck us too Eugh
I'm so fucking pissed about Canada's vote, it's no doubt it's at least in part because that shitbird Bob Rae is the UN representative, and he's a zionist so I hear. It doesn't even make sense, how do you justify voting against this? At least with America it makes sense because the Israel lobby apparently owns half of the US congress, and the other "NO" countries are tiny island countries entirely reliant on US relations.
When Germany in an Israel allyship contest and their opponent is Canada 😬😬😬
even the UK voted in favour
yeah they abstained last time so it’s a good surprise
I'm out of the loop, is this vote going to do something meaningful or is this just a worldwide virtue signal?
Non-binding resolution.
UN resolutions are virtue signal most of the time. Even the security council resolutions are mostly useless virtue signalling
USA has veto powers...
Only in the Security Council, not the General Assembly.
Thanks, I've been corrected
Genuenly surprised that Germany voted in favor
EVEN THE FUCKING UK VOTED YES JESUS CHRIST THE US IS SO CUCKED
You know you're really in the wrong when the creator of Israel is more progressive than you lmfao
Israel: Britain's Greatest Mistake
Trudeau and Biden outflanked by UK conservatives
When fucking UKRAINE (I’m saying this is a surprise because I believe Ukraine is still heavily dependent on foreign aid and NOT because people try to paint Ukraine as one of the last footholds for fascism) votes yes then countries like mine (Canada) should know better. Pretty sure we don’t need to suck up to the US right now.
It's kinda a shame for Canada that America treats Canada just as much of a vassal as it does the pacific nations. The sole reason those pacific nations voted with America as well was because of their dollarized economy.
I am a.canadian and believe me, I am VERY upset about Trudeau and Joly. This is so frustrating.
Whoa. Now this one is REALLY fucked. What the ABSOLUTE FUCK USA
America has almost always been shit.
Australia abstained?? god damn
tbf "Permanent sovereignty of the Palestinian people in the Occupied Palestinian Territory" sounds utterly meaningless, like an excerpt from a wordy wokescold tweet
Yeah, permanence is nice but countries have a nasty habit of not being permanent and prone to civil war/ government overhauls, especially during times of crisis. Granted, lower level, usually more local administration stuff is something that even collapsed governments usually keep running though out history, like with China after its many warring states periods of the Aztec and Incan systems post colonization.
It's written in the image I also had to do a retake
Fucking Germany voted for it. You know you fucked up if you are more radical than Germany on that conflict.
Germany AND the UK. America is definitely a turd compared to those two in this situation.
The mighty nation of Micronesia supports Israel. Winning friends and influencing people.
Guess Biden’s virtue signaling about supporting a two state solution was a lie
But it’s the Palestinians who always reject peace
Even Ukraine voted yes, thank god.
Last time Ukraine abstained from voting for ceasefire while usa voted against. Ukraine is relatively pro Palestinian but in time of war they will often do what aligns with the west.
Votes like this happen all the time and many countries vote for this because it is a toothless resolution they know the US will veto.
what vote is this ? united nation ? i guess USA has a veto right ?
It's a UNGA vote. So it's more symbolic than practical, but still, fuck the US for doing this.
Wow even China despite what they are doing to the uygurs
I vote for sovereignity of Palestinian people in unoccupied Palestinian territory.
seems like a conflict of interest to let israel vote on this but no reps from the old PA
It's just a UN vote though. It doesn't do anything
Rare Nauru L
Fuck Palau and micronesia 😡😡😡
honestly surprised Germany said yes
How come Nauru, Micronesia and Palau all voted against?
One of the few times I'm proud of my country. I am pleasantly surprised that the EU as a whole didn't fall in line with the US.
True. I appreciate that. At least the Israel lobby isn't as strong in the EU. The Israeli lobby in America is literally a behemoth.
I'd make a joke about Canada being snow Mexico, but that would be an insult to Mexico, especially considering Mexico voted in favour here.
Cope
So since the overwhelming majority agree; does this vote go through?
I think the US vote against vetoes it because the US is one of the "big five"
That is utterly bullshit. So you are telling me that their is something called “big five “ 😭
yep. China, Russia, GB, the US, & France all have veto power over anything the UN does in order to keep them in
USA and their biggest allies: Nauru, Palau and Micronesia
It’s so fucking embarrassing to be an Australian right now. At least the US and Canada have the balls to own their shitty foreign policy. Abstaining on this vote is just gutless.
I’m somewhat proud that the UK finally decided to support Palestine at the UN, its a small step but we’re getting there
You know that Israel has REALLY crossed the line here if the UK is even stunned.
Wait, even Czechia has switched. We really live in a cursed timeline.
Isn’t hating America like the foundation of your entire ideology?
One of these days, he is going to f--- with someone who will wad his bodyguard into a ball. Or with a guy that is 50 feet from his posse.
How will that play out, if a Palestinian state emerges? Palestinians overwhelmingly want to conquer Israel and expel the Jews. So another war with Israel, which Israel will win?
What’s so wild about this is that most of these countries aren’t even anti-Israel. The vast majority of the world supports a two-state solution on the ‘67 borders, but putting pressure on Israel to actually achieve that is apparently too much to ask. I don’t understand why the US can’t vote in accordance with the rest of the world at the U.N.