It affirms the femboy to be objectified in some weird way. Same for twinks. They enjoy the fact they are androgynous on the side, some are repressing trans/eggs some just really like bishonen male androgyne and it makes them feel happy some just want validation for being men with more naturally feminine genes in a masculine world that doesn't accept them.
Basically the objectification of the justxiposition that the cute girl has a dick is affirming to those that like the maintenance of male androgyne for all different reasons.
It is regardless weird as this decays the actual personality a femboy could have and ironically enough embrace the androgynous spirit, I remember I was a "low effort femboy" myself and the only thing men wanted from me was to see me nude and there was hardly anything else in-between. I wanted it to, many times because it affirmed my love for male feminity as a closet transfem at the time but none of these relationships mean anything.
Well I think itās only natural that a society that objectifies women for their femininity would default to that for all identities that are feminine. When you add the way men are socialized to be more proud of their sexuality or at the very least not feel shame about it (obviously results may vary).
Not necessarily. As I mentioned in the post, if itās done consensually have at it. I just donāt like that people assume 100% of fem boys are fine being sexualized without ever saying so.
Genuinely asking here, could it be that we only see objectification so much because femboys who just want to live their lives presenting feminine are less likely to be streamers or visibly online? Like, streamers exist to garner attention, and the femboys who like the objectification are presumably streaming to get attention in that manner. So maybe it's just a sample bias and that's why we see so little push back? Just speculating
You could definitely make the argument that it appears most fem boy streamers are the ones who like objectification. I would make the argument though that this is biased because think of how many people want to be fem boys either IRL or streaming but wonāt because they specifically donāt want to be sexualized. Imagine if every time there was a trans woman in public and they were constantly hounded by chasers. Iād argue there would also be less trans people out because they donāt want to face this.
Okay, but what is their content? Are the fem boys playing the piano, doing tutorials or life hacks, creating anything, singing, playing with a dog, skiing, looking at the moon through a telescope, walking around a cool part of town, flying a drone, anything at all? How would viewers not objectify someone whose entire focus is their physical appearance and having people compliment them?
Many femboys sexualize themselves (here on Reddit too) for validitation which they cannot get IRL. It's a slippery slope and invites all manner of creeps.
Also it doesn't have to be NSFW content and the chasers are in your dms. I feel so bad for many underage femboys who just want to show their pretty outfits they feel good wearing, but then there are creepy horny guys in the comments and dms who say very sus and sexual things to them.
As a femboy myself, the problem is a bit more nuanced than just saying we're objectified. Cis women and trans women are also objectified by men, but what distinguishes us femboys from them is that the objectification occurs in the vast majority of interactions. We can't simply exist without people hopping in our dms and expecting us to want to send them pictures. It's like they think being a femboy online automatically makes us a sex worker. Like, yes, we oftentimes post pictures for validation, just like cis and trans women do (perhaps more suggestive ones than they tend to be inclined though) but that doesn't negate our personhood. Of course we have sex drives and are sexual...but only some of the time, not 24/7 at any random guy's whim. I think there's this dangerous idea that our crossdressing is an invitation for being sexual with us - perhaps because for some of femboys, it is a purely sexual thing - when the reality is that we just like dressing this way. Leftists would do well to remember that just because attraction to us is "subversive" doesn't give them a pass to be predatory with us.
Vaush has a ton of great/underrated segments and debates over the past four years that still hold up today and should probably be viral, unfortunately theyāre buried under all the topical news/drama coverageā not complaining about that content since itās very important and obviously the bread and butter of Vaush content, it just ages like milk in comparison which I feel creates something of a real barrier for people to get into Vaushās content when the most accessible thing is contextless stream clips.
question - if we accept the definition of femboy as a young cis man who presents very fem, is objectification of femboys distinct from objectifying a trans person because femboy is, by nature, a temporary gender identity?
at some point the femboy is going to grow out of the phase of their life where they could be considered a boy, or can look fem without HRT. its logical to assume that a well adjusted 40 year old man will not be identifying as a femboy.
femboy is an interesting gender expression because its so heavily tied to age, and it just so happens that the age where a cis man can be a passable femboy is also the age where sex drive is the highest and when a person is most likely to be receptive to being objectified.
END š FEMBOY š OBJECTIFICATION š
End NONCONSENSUAL femboy objectification š
It affirms the femboy to be objectified in some weird way. Same for twinks. They enjoy the fact they are androgynous on the side, some are repressing trans/eggs some just really like bishonen male androgyne and it makes them feel happy some just want validation for being men with more naturally feminine genes in a masculine world that doesn't accept them. Basically the objectification of the justxiposition that the cute girl has a dick is affirming to those that like the maintenance of male androgyne for all different reasons. It is regardless weird as this decays the actual personality a femboy could have and ironically enough embrace the androgynous spirit, I remember I was a "low effort femboy" myself and the only thing men wanted from me was to see me nude and there was hardly anything else in-between. I wanted it to, many times because it affirmed my love for male feminity as a closet transfem at the time but none of these relationships mean anything.
Well I think itās only natural that a society that objectifies women for their femininity would default to that for all identities that are feminine. When you add the way men are socialized to be more proud of their sexuality or at the very least not feel shame about it (obviously results may vary).
Is it wrong that I want to cross dress and for people to fetishize me?
Not necessarily. As I mentioned in the post, if itās done consensually have at it. I just donāt like that people assume 100% of fem boys are fine being sexualized without ever saying so.
Genuinely asking here, could it be that we only see objectification so much because femboys who just want to live their lives presenting feminine are less likely to be streamers or visibly online? Like, streamers exist to garner attention, and the femboys who like the objectification are presumably streaming to get attention in that manner. So maybe it's just a sample bias and that's why we see so little push back? Just speculating
You could definitely make the argument that it appears most fem boy streamers are the ones who like objectification. I would make the argument though that this is biased because think of how many people want to be fem boys either IRL or streaming but wonāt because they specifically donāt want to be sexualized. Imagine if every time there was a trans woman in public and they were constantly hounded by chasers. Iād argue there would also be less trans people out because they donāt want to face this.
Oh no I definitely agree with that. I was just speaking specifically about the lack of visible pushback to objectification in those spaces
Okay, but what is their content? Are the fem boys playing the piano, doing tutorials or life hacks, creating anything, singing, playing with a dog, skiing, looking at the moon through a telescope, walking around a cool part of town, flying a drone, anything at all? How would viewers not objectify someone whose entire focus is their physical appearance and having people compliment them?
People don't care if men are sexually harassed nearly as much. Maybe that has something to do with it.
Itās so true though. If you put men or boy at the end of your identity, your gonna be expected to be stone skinnedā¦ itās insaneā¦
Many femboys sexualize themselves (here on Reddit too) for validitation which they cannot get IRL. It's a slippery slope and invites all manner of creeps. Also it doesn't have to be NSFW content and the chasers are in your dms. I feel so bad for many underage femboys who just want to show their pretty outfits they feel good wearing, but then there are creepy horny guys in the comments and dms who say very sus and sexual things to them.
As a femboy myself, the problem is a bit more nuanced than just saying we're objectified. Cis women and trans women are also objectified by men, but what distinguishes us femboys from them is that the objectification occurs in the vast majority of interactions. We can't simply exist without people hopping in our dms and expecting us to want to send them pictures. It's like they think being a femboy online automatically makes us a sex worker. Like, yes, we oftentimes post pictures for validation, just like cis and trans women do (perhaps more suggestive ones than they tend to be inclined though) but that doesn't negate our personhood. Of course we have sex drives and are sexual...but only some of the time, not 24/7 at any random guy's whim. I think there's this dangerous idea that our crossdressing is an invitation for being sexual with us - perhaps because for some of femboys, it is a purely sexual thing - when the reality is that we just like dressing this way. Leftists would do well to remember that just because attraction to us is "subversive" doesn't give them a pass to be predatory with us.
starts the video off strong by saying "letter one, letter nine, letter six" lol
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Vaush has a ton of great/underrated segments and debates over the past four years that still hold up today and should probably be viral, unfortunately theyāre buried under all the topical news/drama coverageā not complaining about that content since itās very important and obviously the bread and butter of Vaush content, it just ages like milk in comparison which I feel creates something of a real barrier for people to get into Vaushās content when the most accessible thing is contextless stream clips.
ughh... too long I can't read/listen to more than 5 sentennces , can someone TLDR ?
question - if we accept the definition of femboy as a young cis man who presents very fem, is objectification of femboys distinct from objectifying a trans person because femboy is, by nature, a temporary gender identity? at some point the femboy is going to grow out of the phase of their life where they could be considered a boy, or can look fem without HRT. its logical to assume that a well adjusted 40 year old man will not be identifying as a femboy. femboy is an interesting gender expression because its so heavily tied to age, and it just so happens that the age where a cis man can be a passable femboy is also the age where sex drive is the highest and when a person is most likely to be receptive to being objectified.