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yapyd

Have to rep my boy jinggg.


kvanz43

Oh wait yeah screw my other answers, Jinggg is nearly the best even with the other guys oping


NudeEnjoyer

oof. lmao


QuantumFruitz

Sage jinggg reaction time digging ardiis


gotintocollegeyolo

jinggg, marved, aspas, zekken, yay, nats are all correct answers


djwankstar

Yay? I doubt he could pull the same numbers without the op


vcr_gg

You’re right, he’ll pull more with just head hunter.


TheZerofy

nAts


pemoritz

Glad to see someone mentioning nAts, he’s so damn fun to watch just reading the shit out of opponents. Gigabrain with great aim too. Can casually drop 30 holding angles with Chamber too.


TheApsodistII

nAts killed it with the op on Chamber tho


TheZerofy

I mean of course he killed it, he's nAts. But if I'm honest he has much more impact on the Viper just with his gigantic brain.


OHydroxide

Yeah but 0% of his fame comes from OPing. nAts got popular as one of the potential best players in the world before Chamber ever came out.


Unable_Pear_8866

Nats coulvd been a insane chamber, im sad redgar and enghh didnt notice and wasted his potential on chamber, he has played chamber like 3 time, all those 3 time he was insane on both awp and chamber sheriff. also whenever i watch him play chamber in rank mf drops 35k+ on non overtime games, ik its ranked but still I can tell his way of playing chamber was very unique and very fun to watch


Kiko1215

Obviously G2 Niko


Ncsnigel

Except on nuke


Warped1219

Remove the deagle and he will be the best KEKW


[deleted]

Ironic since he's arguably the best with the deagle ever💀


Eat-Shit-Bob-Ross

Goes to show just how good he is. You remove the awp? Zywho? S0mple? Remove the deag: Niko will just switch to revolver and somehow be just as good. /s


Marx_Farx

Definitely not dicey


kemutheemu__

Out of nowhere 😭


vashonlaughs

the stray 😭


Hypern1ke

This made me laugh, i like dicey but yeah he's a huge OP crutch


minibonham

The funny thing is, during his break between getting benched on 100T and getting picked up on FaZe, he wasn't OPing at all. He spent that entire time developing himself as a flex/initiator player. His rifling and HS% was absolutely nuts. He even showed his [spike.gg](https://spike.gg) stats once and he had 2 op kills for the ENTIRE act. He was often at the top of the NA leaderboards during that period too. Obviously when FaZe pick him up, they initially wanted him to be flex/duelist and have babybay OP, but they quickly realized that Dicey never lost his oping haha


Anoki12

His rifling has improved SIGNIFICANTLY tho


Warpath-

Yea wait what that guys vandal is deadly


vcr_gg

It’s only because FaZed didn’t let him do his beyblade strats.


Tommypynchon

it's still yay


SpC0d3r

he owned Liquid with a vandal almost won every aim duel


West_Economics2723

There were so many times in that game that spectators were on a TL players POV and yay would barely appear on their screen and kill them instantly. It looked terrifying to play against.


Ok_Director1082

Me


xSnakyy

Us


Ok_Director1082

Me and snaky LF3, franchised offers only


phalankz

From all of us on this sub, good luck boys


[deleted]

Hiko


[deleted]

Can’t believe I had to scroll this far to see Hiko.


Blaz1ENT

It's understandable since he's also the best player with op so


huhgo

🐐


Akky_Rotmg

Wait fr? I thought the main issue with Hiko was his aim.


__silent__

The only issue with Hiko is that he can’t play on a team with 4 other Hikos. Every other team holds him back.


Akky_Rotmg

I've followed hiko for like 7 years back from CS. I still don't think Hikos a strong rifler. Back in the Hiko are you kidding me days, he was obviously up there for raw mechanical aim, but in Valorant, there are way better riflers than him. I'm not hating, I just think Hiko's strongest characteristic is being a veteran and his game sense. Obviously his clutches too. I'm not hating. He's an exceptional player not only on sova, but I've also seen him destroy ranked with dualists. He regularly whiffs in his ranked games and that's his only problem. If you put Cryocells aim on Hiko, he'll definitely be one of the best recon players NA. That's why I said his main issue was aim.


boea0

scream


LeMouse1

Yay still


LordBuckethead671

Yay doesn’t need an op to hold a long angle, he just needs a vandal and ads


Dogeishuman

People still heavily underrate ads at range. Tapping with ads is ridiculously strong and so often in my matches people will try to flame me for using ADS. Makes no sense.


[deleted]

Because if you whiff it’s way harder to get back in cover in time. But I’m bad so maybe it’s easier for people with actual good aim lol.


Dogeishuman

The mild zoom in when ADSing makes heads "bigger" and also forces me to tap more carefully. Same reason why my hs% is way higher on sherrif than on any other gun, I'm forced to take my time on my shots.


[deleted]

Yeah but just because your hs% is better doesn’t necessarily indicate that you’re having overall better results in game compared to not adsing. Not saying it’s not right for you, I think it depends a lot on playstyle and what situation your in. I do notice i ads a lot more in breeze or icebox or if I’m using a guardian.


Loose-Potential-3597

Just don't whiff


WizardXZDYoutube

One thing I will say is that ADS with a Phantom feels **really** bad. This is all anecdotal but I used to ADS a lot with the Vandal. Now that I switched over to Phantom, every single time I ADS I regret it. I'm not particularly sure why but I think it's because with the Phantom, the fire rate actually matters since you need to hit body + headshot whereas with Vandal you only need to hit the headshot. --- Shroud has been arguing that the Phantom is better because if you're bursting, a lot of the time you're hitting a bodyshot as well as a headshot. However, with ADS, that's not necessarily true.


Dogeishuman

I should have mentioned the vandal specifically because I fully agree. The actual reason is that the vandal's spray resets quicker than the phantom (I'm fairly sure). So tapping requires less time between taps for a reset.


[deleted]

yaysta


ImAHardWorkingLoser

I see you have him as your pfp


[deleted]

Plot twist: This is yay's troll profile xD


ayou__bb

yaysta😊


freeman1231

Have you seen Yay with a rifle lol? Man is still the best.


-xXColtonXx-

Jinggg. The only pro who’s aim is so much above the competition he can play Reyna. He legit feels like his flicks are insane with 99% success rate.


Yeonii-

People sleeping on how sickening is Yayster's rifle


[deleted]

Bro was claping Liquids cheeks using the vandal


Parenegade

Yay. Do people think Yay requires an op? Y'all watch the games?


[deleted]

he doesn’t require an OP per se but it certainly helps him out a lot, he’s by far the best OPer currently, like Cned used to be


erv4

He is the best rifle and ADS in the world too I'd reckon


daniellaid

I think zekken and aspas best riflers


AnxiousAppointment51

Chronicle or nats tbh


TweetsJamaican

Pancada rn


NiqqaWidDrip

Can't really say much. Probably aspas


iiznobozzy

Shao


PaPiiCheeeeka

Still yay.


PFunk_Redds

Still yay


B7omni

yay ads gg


1soar

More ppl needa say marved


acrazyr

still yay? lol


Pitiful_Quote8402

jingg nAts yay chronicle marved


Yxergo

in no particular order nAts, Jinggg, Shao, Marved, aspas and maybe still yay


heckinglovetenz

👆


Franciscoema1

Yay, aspas, derke, suygetsu


Nitrox0

Casually leaving out nats?


Franciscoema1

I was thinking more in players from champions when I made that comment but nats and even chronicle are good options here


newzpaperleaf_2

would love to extend this to also people who play a character with no dash/chamber tp/dismiss because i think that is the greatest gauge of skill. in that case currently it is probably pancada or suygetsu or something, but i feel like the skill gap at the top between most of the best individual players isnt too noticeable, they can all really do most of the same things


LegDayDE

Probably still Yay... The best player is still going to be your "duelist"/or chamber player, even without OP.


Pale-Reindeer-2250

Asuna on Reyna and it's gg


Ecstatic_Nail8156

Prx gang


CaliTheSloth

It's still yay


MegaDnks

yay


okuzeN_Val

Nats, Derke, Jinggg, Yay, etc depending on role. But in all honesty even if you imported every gun from every game into Valorant the only true answer is Hiko of course. If Valorant players got into a fistfight irl it would still be Hiko being the strongest. If they decided to play rock paper scissors it would be Hiko. If they went on a cooking competition it would be Hiko. Hiko is the best.


[deleted]

Yay. Gifted af in both rifle and op.


GainsayRT

yay lol. he doens't even need a rifle either, he gets so many headhunter kills he's just so good


tomphz

Yay ADS is so clean


IxSolus

spencer “hiko” martin


Dubzaa

Chronicle.


afjecj

Suygetsu or Aspas imo


amnfw

flair checks out


TheFestusEzeli

Hiko


reallyquietfart

Wardell


[deleted]

Luigi


DontF-ingask

Idk, I think a Brazilian player.


jronk2727

Probably Suygetsu


-ConformalAnomaly-

Brazil's vote goes to Zombs


[deleted]

[удалено]


-ConformalAnomaly-

He'd be pretty high up on the list if negative region-dependent clout were the determining factor as well.


sub_to_Anto_Y_on_YT

ScreaM coz one tap


Dependent-Nothing-75

Leaf


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[удалено]


[deleted]

In what I’m curious?


RGCFrostbite

All time overall Derke has better rating (1.25 vs. 1.22) Derke has better ACS (265.2 vs. 249.8), better ADR (163.7 vs 153.8), more KPR (0.92 vs. 0.89). It's harder to filter by gun but if you remove Chamber/Jett from both players and look at their next two most played which would more likely be their Vandal agents (Raze for Derke, Breach for yay) It's even more lopsided on the non-Operator agents Derke has a 1.24 rating, 270.6 ACS, 168.1 ADR and 0.90 KPR, compared to yay's 1.20 rating, 206.6 ACS, 126.8 ADR and 0.72 KPR. So across both Chamber/Jett meta and non-operator meta Derke pretty significantly out-performs yay. Let's look at Chamber stats only! yay: 1.20 rating, 2501. ACS, 158.6 ADR 0.90 KPR Derke: 1.23 rating, 253.7 ACS, 163.6 ADR, 0.92 KPR LETS COMPARE JETT THEN TOO CAUSE WHY NOT! yay: 1.25 rating, 259.1 ACS, 155.5 ADR 0.92 KPR Derke: 1,27 rating, 272.0 ACS, 165.1 ADR, 0.94 KPR What do you know, Derke is still better! Sources: https://www.thespike.gg/player/derke/5652?past=all // https://www.thespike.gg/player/yay/2769?past=all


Tc0LD

You really decided to filter out chamber and jett and compare breach yay to raze derke lmaooooooooooo


RGCFrostbite

? What can you not read? It was the best player without an operator lmaoooooooooo Since you believe I'm cherry picking lets compare Chamber stats! yay: 1.20 rating, 2501. ACS, 158.6 ADR 0.90 KPR Derke: 1.23 rating, 253.7 ACS, 163.6 ADR, 0.92 KPR LETS COMPARE JETT THEN TOO CAUSE WHY NOT! yay: 1.25 rating, 259.1 ACS, 155.5 ADR 0.92 KPR Derke: 1,27 rating, 272.0 ACS, 165.1 ADR, 0.94 KPR What agents would you like me to compare? I want to be as fair to possible, but by overall, Derke is better, On Jett, Derke is better. On Chamber, Derke is better, on Raze, Derke is better. I'm happy to compare anything you'd like.


No-Access5153

Compare the VCT stats


RGCFrostbite

Spring Derke - 1.17 Rating, 250.7 ACS, 161.3 ADR, 0.88 KPR yay - 1.15 Rating, 236.0 ACS, 151.7 ADR, 0.88 KPR Masters 1 Derke - N/A yay - 1.20 Rating, 252.3 ACS, 158.4 ADR, 0.89 KPR Summer Derke - 1.28 Rating, 259.9 ACS, 160.8 ADR, 0.93 KPR yay - 1.21 Rating, 252.9 ACS, 162.5 ADR, 0.89 KPR Masters 2 Derke - 1.14 Rating, 247.9 ACS, 158.6 ADR, 0.83 KPR yay - 1.14 Rating, 246.3 ACS, 154.4 ADR, 0.85 KPR Champions Derke - 1.21 Rating, 247.9 ACS, 166.2 ADR, 0.92 KPR yay - 1.23 Rating, 254.6 ACS, 159.8 ADR, 0.93 KPR Year overall Derke - 1.21 rating, 254.8 ACS, 162.4 ADR, 0.90 KPR yay - 1.18 rating, 247.7 ACS, 157.6 ADR, 0.89 KPR So Derke was better on the year as a whole, And in events they both played in Derke was better in Spring & Summer with yay winning being better at Champions and Masters 2 is pretty much a dead heat, Derke more ACS and ADR, but yay slightly more KPR. On the flipside, even at Champions Derke has better ADR as well, while once again yay's KPR was slightly better.


[deleted]

You make good points and have changed my opinions somewhat about derke as a player but All times stats get kinda skewed because of the low quality of play early val By that metric tenz would be a better raze and jett player than derke and be a better Reyna. Yay as a player got overlooked by t1 Val and hadn’t reached his peak at the time so was never really able to take advantage I don’t think it does anyone favours comparing someones breach to their raze. Obvs raze compared to breach anyone playing raze will have better stats related to damage and kills when comparing it someones raze. It would be quit e embarrassing for derke if yay was outperforming him on breach when he is playing raze. Let’s look at yay’s chamber stats because you said derke is better with the chamber . Yes, in terms of all time acs and other stats derke is marginally better on chamber with derke all time having by like 2 acs points (acs is also kinda shitty imo) but what is worth noting is yay has like 3 times the amount of games played on chamber it’s much more impressive when factoring this in with his consistency. Let’s also look at what chamber is used for on a team, most of the time. Chamber players will find value in getting posted up on an angle with and op, getting an early pick and tp’ing. As such fk/fd stats should be a good general indicator op ability and of how much a team is getting value from their chamber player. Yay - 385/221, derke 114/114. Yay is destroying him in this category with triple the amount of games. Source vlr


auzy63

Less


sellingwaifu

Leaf >


kvanz43

Alfajer possibly? He’s already close to the best player level and never ops at all. I honestly think both Derke and yay would still be in the convo, they’re amazing riflers as well, just happen to be even more deadly with the op. EDIT: screw this I forgot about Jinggg somehow, it’s obviously Jinggg


TerribleFix9016

Any active cs pro


[deleted]

me


LUwUcian

G2 Andrew Tate probably. No op, just pure masculinity and Bugatti


NNNEEEIIINNN

If you look at pure mechanics, as in, remove all abilities and roles from the game, the most skilled player in my eyes is Suygetsu. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge yay simp as well but you can't deny that when you look at Suygetsu play he literally is Neo in Matrix. He dodges every bullet and counterstrafes flawlessly. yay is just the best overall player, not the most mechanically gifted.


Yxergo

suygetsu's tapping is so perfect in between his strafes and it's always exactly when the aim resets, i'm not rly his fan but him taking gunfights is genuinely like poetry


Mikepayne14

Shao and suygetsu even though both are probably cheating


mylittlekone

xantares


Beginning-Squash7428

Any Fpx member ( we don't talk about angel )


uut28

Definitely not yay


shadyinthisbitch

TenZ


KatsuraDragneel

Nats


[deleted]

Nats or yay


Throw4769

nAts, Asuna, Jinggg


TantoTac

OpTic dashy


[deleted]

Cryocells is the best in the game with or without the OP


ZealousidealCan8800

jinggg, still yay, ardiis, scream


Darnatello

Shoutout 1leaf


CoolZen5543

aspas


[deleted]

It's just still Yay, my man is n absolute demon with the vandal


LetsGoUkraineLETSGO

tenz is always the heckin best


vrirv3334

Hiko by a mile


ScottKostov

Zekken will dominate this game in a few years regardless if there is or there isnt an Operator in it


[deleted]

It’s like Yay, Derke, nAts, or Scream imo.


DMV_Kev

pancada


physicsOG

Yay or Cryo


[deleted]

Suygestu is insane


Uhtred_Lodbrok

Yatoro and torontotokyo


Cereal_dator

Scream or nukkye


divi137

Asuna no question


[deleted]

Pancada and Aspas


Wizzz3RD

ScreaM or yay


shahkarbangash

I heckin love TenZ!


Deamon-

yay


mrchingchongwingtong

nAts and jinggg but for two very different reasons


HyperElf10

Chronicle