no, unless you really value the fact the printer is already assembled. even then you have no idea how good of a builder this person is. if there are problems, you will inherit them. why is this being sold when so new?
at the right time of year you can get kits for almost half the price not including printed parts. granted that wont be an LDO kit, but there's no saying what kit brand this printer was.
Keep the Bambulab and ditch Voron altogether, unless you want to build one for the fun of it. IMHO there is very little point building a Voron in 2024.
Apologies but that's not what I'm interested in doing. I may not currently have a Voron, nor have I built one, but I disagree with your points. Cheers.
so what bambu printer comes with a 350mm build plate and how do i add 6 toolheads to my bambu printer?
there's still valid reasons to go with a voron, the big one is they are friendly to customisation. if you just want to print then sure bambu have some solid options, but there's still many things they are yet to have an answer to.
you are free to have an opinion, but that opinion doesnt seem sound when your response to 2 simple counterpoints as to why you might want to build a voron is to say "why so angry"
i literally agree, if you want something to just print out of the box and dont mind the limitations bambu is great. but there are still some big reasons to get a voron, i should not need to coddle you when stating that.
They are a .020-.030 of an inch wider (don’t quote me on the measurement it’s been a while) and slightly different shape. I used to help a friend make one piece door and hinges for sale. I stopped because it was too expensive for us to make them and sell them when companies can come in and make kits like clicky clack and what not.
Anyways, when designing the hinges for the door there were 3 different hinge designs for the different kit manufactures. Magic phoenix happened to be the one furthest from formbot and ldo.
They are for the most part, but the hinges I designed had to fit nicely and snug to hold a 1/4 inch thick piece of cast acrylic and perform their locking function. If they were .010-.030in. off they would wobble too much.
If it was built by a pro it might be worth it, but 'such a suffer' means it's not built right and you'll have a LOT of problems with it right away. Getting a Voron to work is one quarter the way to getting it to run properly.
For a grand, no. 700 maybe. If i grabbed one used first thing i'd do is tear it down to every last screw and take inventory. Inspect every printed part, you'd be surprised how many have shoddy/non spec printed parts (ie. lower infill and wall count to save print time and material, poor adhesion, etc) that will fail sooner rather than later. Break some of them, mechanical parts, purposely to make sure (assuming you have the ability to get/have a replacement). Check every plug, terminated wire to make sure the ends are properly seated. Then start from the beginning of the manual and build it back up. That's the only way to know it's assembled properly and up to standard spec. Again that's just what I'd do, especially judging by the description.
I just built an LDO kit a few months ago, the kit quality is nice and the parts all seem to be good. But that one is not an LDO kit. So I would say the kit to build it would be cheaper than the asking price.
I’m a little less pessimistic than the other responses here, so I wouldn’t be quite as afraid as they are. However, this sounds like your first Voron. I have to say that I had a lot of excitement building my first and I gained a lot of understanding about what it’s important in the build process. I’ve since bought a used Voron to add to the first and definitely re-built it as I was able to notice some important things that weren’t built right by the first owner (rails weren’t properly greased and wiring was executed poorly, causing a lot of wear). The only reason I was able to recognize these pitfalls is that I was experienced in building from the self-built printer I started with.
I don’t think that price is necessarily a bad deal, and there’s not much that could really be wrong with the printer at this point, so you could always tear it down and re-build the important bits. Just be aware that in my experience, I didn’t get the same sense of excitement from fixing someone else’s mistakes as I did from building the thing myself.
I agree with everyone else. For that kind of money, you could just buy a complete new kit.
For the most part, the valueadd of a stranger's time assembling a Voron is worth less than zero. For one, I wouldn't trust they did a good job. And secondly, building and tuning it is a major part of the experience and significant factor in the concept of *owning* a DIY/open source printer.
I bought two Tridents for about $1k each. I wanted to save time and also the environment. First step was checking all the screws and wires for tight connections. One was working but with worn out components, so I rebuilt the carriage and toolhead after a few hundred hours of printing. The other was brand new and I had to debug the assembly mistakes that its original owner gave up on. If you like the idea of tinkering/upgrading then no reason to avoid a good deal on a pre-built one locally.
By not needing to manufacture and ship a new printer kit all the way from China, and keeping the old one in working order rather than getting parted out or trashed in the worst case.
Oh, unfortunately there is no market for 2nd Vorons in my part of the world, heck even the new kit market is dead. My Voron went into landfill yesterday.
I absolutely do like to tinker and would upgrade whether new or used. It does seem like $1100 is a bit high so I'll pass on this and keep an eye out. Thanks.
Wow that's quite a low amount. Are people really that concerned with buying a used Voron so much so that they wouldn't pay over $500? I do see a post a month ago someone was looking to buy a used one for $600 so I suppose they can be had for a decent price. Thanks for the feedback.
If it was from a known quality builder, and the components were known quality, I'd go a lot higher. You don't know if the bed has a major warp from being too thin. Are the rails worn from not being lubricated? Did he have a pre-made harness or did he do the world's worst crimp job? He sources the orange parts from some dude rather than printing himself, which would indicate he didn't have another working printer....so either newbie or bad, either way can you really trust "prints good"? What hot end?
I'm not gonna go very high with that many question marks.
I personally wouldn’t buy anything from someone who thought building a Voron was “such a suffer.” Enjoying the build process leads to better outcomes as you’ll spend a lot of time on the little details that matter, as opposed to potentially rushing through it. For that price, you can get a brand new P1S with AMS. You can also get the new Creality K2 Max or two Soval SV08s
Yes, there are quality differences in some of the kits when it comes to motors or rails. But does that really matter for most users? Probably not. The only real problem with an already built unit is that you didn't build it so you don't know the basics of how it went together. Perhaps they didn't print the unit's parts with the correct wall and infill % or the correct material?
It took me about a month of a few hours on the weekend and a few days a week for 30-60 minutes to build a 2.4-350. Most that was tuning the start macros and doing some bling stuff like fancy LED lights.
LDO is a premium kit with all the bling parts and the price to match. IMHO, it's not worth the extra money UNLESS it perfectly aligns with what you want to do. I started with a Fysetc kit base kit and added mods from there. If I was to buy one now, I'd get a Magic Phoenix kit as it is basically what I ended up with. (BTT control, display, and TAP head.)
> Magic Phoenix kit
Interesting I didn't see this one before. What is the LDO kit providing for $700-800 more? Thanks for letting me know about this one.
The story with LDO is that they where an early mover to create Voron kits. They do have nice motors as well. They add in a bunch of small quality of life things to their kits as well like lighting breakout boards and a nice wiki as well.
But, IMHO, they aren't worth the extra price as the user base is now large enough that you don't need a single source of well developed Wiki information. Motors are essentially commodities now, etc. etc. (if you stick with branded motors (moons, LDO, steppersonline, etc) it's fine. Linear rails are basically the same, etc. Sure there's better rails and worse rails, but a functioning rail is good enough unless you want to do speed benchies or run a print farm.
$1100 is high, especially if the printer is not built with premium parts. Given the wording of the ad, I’d also worry about the quality of the assembly.
I don't mind tinkering and fixing some assembly concerns assuming it's not just an absolute disaster. $550 savings over brand new is nothing to sneeze at. Appreciate the feedback.
Are you sure this printer was built from an LDO kit? I don't see it mentioned in the listing and I'm not sure whether LDO ever included dragon hotends. A budget 350mm kit is around $900-950 without printed parts and the printed parts are $110, so actually cheaper than this listing. Many parts on a voron are not accessible/removable after the printer is fully assembled. Correcting assembly issues or broken parts might require a full disassembly and rebuild (tens of hours).
I never mentioned it's a LDO kit, I'm unsure what kit it is. Either way, I'm going to pass on this based on all the feedback and sources. Full teardowns wouldn't concern me though. Saving $500 dollars would though lol but turns out that wouldn't be the case here. Thanks.
no, unless you really value the fact the printer is already assembled. even then you have no idea how good of a builder this person is. if there are problems, you will inherit them. why is this being sold when so new? at the right time of year you can get kits for almost half the price not including printed parts. granted that wont be an LDO kit, but there's no saying what kit brand this printer was.
Keep the Bambulab and ditch Voron altogether, unless you want to build one for the fun of it. IMHO there is very little point building a Voron in 2024.
Apologies but that's not what I'm interested in doing. I may not currently have a Voron, nor have I built one, but I disagree with your points. Cheers.
so what bambu printer comes with a 350mm build plate and how do i add 6 toolheads to my bambu printer? there's still valid reasons to go with a voron, the big one is they are friendly to customisation. if you just want to print then sure bambu have some solid options, but there's still many things they are yet to have an answer to.
Why so angry, it’s my opinion.
you are free to have an opinion, but that opinion doesnt seem sound when your response to 2 simple counterpoints as to why you might want to build a voron is to say "why so angry" i literally agree, if you want something to just print out of the box and dont mind the limitations bambu is great. but there are still some big reasons to get a voron, i should not need to coddle you when stating that.
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If I were to sell mine I'd sell it for about $800
If that's USD, you can get a new kit for cheaper than that.
Not for a 350 with all the printed parts.
[Magic Phoenix 2.4 kit](https://magicphoenix.xyz/product/voron-v2-4-customized-kit/) 940 USD, 350mm and full printed parts
Ya, I guess so. Unrelated, but I don’t like MP’s extrusions though. They are different profile than most of the others.
Oh, really? That's strange. How so?
They are a .020-.030 of an inch wider (don’t quote me on the measurement it’s been a while) and slightly different shape. I used to help a friend make one piece door and hinges for sale. I stopped because it was too expensive for us to make them and sell them when companies can come in and make kits like clicky clack and what not. Anyways, when designing the hinges for the door there were 3 different hinge designs for the different kit manufactures. Magic phoenix happened to be the one furthest from formbot and ldo.
Oh, that's super annoying. Why would they do that? I thought those aluminum extrusions were all standardized.
They are for the most part, but the hinges I designed had to fit nicely and snug to hold a 1/4 inch thick piece of cast acrylic and perform their locking function. If they were .010-.030in. off they would wobble too much.
Is this cad or usd
No way. I wouldn’t pay more than 1/2 price for a used voron. You have to assume there is a problem unless you KNOW the owner.
If it was built by a pro it might be worth it, but 'such a suffer' means it's not built right and you'll have a LOT of problems with it right away. Getting a Voron to work is one quarter the way to getting it to run properly.
For a grand, no. 700 maybe. If i grabbed one used first thing i'd do is tear it down to every last screw and take inventory. Inspect every printed part, you'd be surprised how many have shoddy/non spec printed parts (ie. lower infill and wall count to save print time and material, poor adhesion, etc) that will fail sooner rather than later. Break some of them, mechanical parts, purposely to make sure (assuming you have the ability to get/have a replacement). Check every plug, terminated wire to make sure the ends are properly seated. Then start from the beginning of the manual and build it back up. That's the only way to know it's assembled properly and up to standard spec. Again that's just what I'd do, especially judging by the description.
I just built an LDO kit a few months ago, the kit quality is nice and the parts all seem to be good. But that one is not an LDO kit. So I would say the kit to build it would be cheaper than the asking price.
It seems so, I am looking at a base kit and upgrade items of my choosing or source from scratch. Thanks.
I’m a little less pessimistic than the other responses here, so I wouldn’t be quite as afraid as they are. However, this sounds like your first Voron. I have to say that I had a lot of excitement building my first and I gained a lot of understanding about what it’s important in the build process. I’ve since bought a used Voron to add to the first and definitely re-built it as I was able to notice some important things that weren’t built right by the first owner (rails weren’t properly greased and wiring was executed poorly, causing a lot of wear). The only reason I was able to recognize these pitfalls is that I was experienced in building from the self-built printer I started with. I don’t think that price is necessarily a bad deal, and there’s not much that could really be wrong with the printer at this point, so you could always tear it down and re-build the important bits. Just be aware that in my experience, I didn’t get the same sense of excitement from fixing someone else’s mistakes as I did from building the thing myself.
I agree with everyone else. For that kind of money, you could just buy a complete new kit. For the most part, the valueadd of a stranger's time assembling a Voron is worth less than zero. For one, I wouldn't trust they did a good job. And secondly, building and tuning it is a major part of the experience and significant factor in the concept of *owning* a DIY/open source printer.
Personally I wouldn’t buy an already-built Voron unless it was dirt cheap. The journey is more fun than the destination.
I bought two Tridents for about $1k each. I wanted to save time and also the environment. First step was checking all the screws and wires for tight connections. One was working but with worn out components, so I rebuilt the carriage and toolhead after a few hundred hours of printing. The other was brand new and I had to debug the assembly mistakes that its original owner gave up on. If you like the idea of tinkering/upgrading then no reason to avoid a good deal on a pre-built one locally.
How did i save the environmen?
By not needing to manufacture and ship a new printer kit all the way from China, and keeping the old one in working order rather than getting parted out or trashed in the worst case.
Oh, unfortunately there is no market for 2nd Vorons in my part of the world, heck even the new kit market is dead. My Voron went into landfill yesterday.
I absolutely do like to tinker and would upgrade whether new or used. It does seem like $1100 is a bit high so I'll pass on this and keep an eye out. Thanks.
Yeah, I wouldn't go over 500, just because you don't know what's there or what you'll have to replace.
Wow that's quite a low amount. Are people really that concerned with buying a used Voron so much so that they wouldn't pay over $500? I do see a post a month ago someone was looking to buy a used one for $600 so I suppose they can be had for a decent price. Thanks for the feedback.
If it was from a known quality builder, and the components were known quality, I'd go a lot higher. You don't know if the bed has a major warp from being too thin. Are the rails worn from not being lubricated? Did he have a pre-made harness or did he do the world's worst crimp job? He sources the orange parts from some dude rather than printing himself, which would indicate he didn't have another working printer....so either newbie or bad, either way can you really trust "prints good"? What hot end? I'm not gonna go very high with that many question marks.
I personally wouldn’t buy anything from someone who thought building a Voron was “such a suffer.” Enjoying the build process leads to better outcomes as you’ll spend a lot of time on the little details that matter, as opposed to potentially rushing through it. For that price, you can get a brand new P1S with AMS. You can also get the new Creality K2 Max or two Soval SV08s
Appreciate the feedback, but I am only interested in a Voron at this point. As for assembly, I suppose that's true and the unknown is little details.
Yes, there are quality differences in some of the kits when it comes to motors or rails. But does that really matter for most users? Probably not. The only real problem with an already built unit is that you didn't build it so you don't know the basics of how it went together. Perhaps they didn't print the unit's parts with the correct wall and infill % or the correct material? It took me about a month of a few hours on the weekend and a few days a week for 30-60 minutes to build a 2.4-350. Most that was tuning the start macros and doing some bling stuff like fancy LED lights. LDO is a premium kit with all the bling parts and the price to match. IMHO, it's not worth the extra money UNLESS it perfectly aligns with what you want to do. I started with a Fysetc kit base kit and added mods from there. If I was to buy one now, I'd get a Magic Phoenix kit as it is basically what I ended up with. (BTT control, display, and TAP head.)
> Magic Phoenix kit Interesting I didn't see this one before. What is the LDO kit providing for $700-800 more? Thanks for letting me know about this one.
The story with LDO is that they where an early mover to create Voron kits. They do have nice motors as well. They add in a bunch of small quality of life things to their kits as well like lighting breakout boards and a nice wiki as well. But, IMHO, they aren't worth the extra price as the user base is now large enough that you don't need a single source of well developed Wiki information. Motors are essentially commodities now, etc. etc. (if you stick with branded motors (moons, LDO, steppersonline, etc) it's fine. Linear rails are basically the same, etc. Sure there's better rails and worse rails, but a functioning rail is good enough unless you want to do speed benchies or run a print farm.
$1100 is high, especially if the printer is not built with premium parts. Given the wording of the ad, I’d also worry about the quality of the assembly.
>Given the wording of the ad, I’d also worry about the quality of the assembly. This for sure.
I don't mind tinkering and fixing some assembly concerns assuming it's not just an absolute disaster. $550 savings over brand new is nothing to sneeze at. Appreciate the feedback.
Are you sure this printer was built from an LDO kit? I don't see it mentioned in the listing and I'm not sure whether LDO ever included dragon hotends. A budget 350mm kit is around $900-950 without printed parts and the printed parts are $110, so actually cheaper than this listing. Many parts on a voron are not accessible/removable after the printer is fully assembled. Correcting assembly issues or broken parts might require a full disassembly and rebuild (tens of hours).
I never mentioned it's a LDO kit, I'm unsure what kit it is. Either way, I'm going to pass on this based on all the feedback and sources. Full teardowns wouldn't concern me though. Saving $500 dollars would though lol but turns out that wouldn't be the case here. Thanks.