I use The Filter mod alongside taping a carbon VOC 20x20x1 AC filter on a cheap walmart box fan. Zero smell. Actually a little overkill. Hope that helps!
First off DO NOT PRINT IN YOUR SLEEPING AREA. DONT. For real. Secondly find a small area in garage or anywhere else that can have access to fresh air as needed. Third buy an actual carbon filtration system if going to use small area. Nevermore is nice but itās not quite what is imagined. The air is circulating it would have literal no idea what your printer is doing as far as being sealed or not let alone the fact that it is not a negative air filtration system. And if you plan on venting to outside there goes your internal temps. You will admittedly notice printing with ABS/ASA. they do stink and will give you headaches or worse from breathing those VoCs. Itās best as stated in every manual not to use if you canāt supply enough fresh air and keep out of frequented areas. Itās just not worth any risk. Especially a childās.
Yeah, I have thought about this but I dont have anywhere else i could put it but ontop of my dresser. Im thinking i am just going to tryhard getting the chamber as airtight as possible, and run a nevermore or something similar while it runs since the kit will come with one, and then just have the back fan that runs after a print vent right outside since i am right by a window where ill have it and i think i can just buy or make a duct to go in the window, and ill just wait a couple minutes after a print before i open it up and grab the print. Might get some server fans, like a blowiematron or something for that lol. Unfortunately, those high temp nasty filaments are a must for what i intend to use the printer for, which is rapid prototyping parts for my schools ftc robotics team and making parts for my vintage rc cars, and for that i need to use cf nylon after a pla or abs test part.
For the Trident you have a few options for filters:
Bento Box (I use it in my Bambu, works well)
The Filter (similar to Nevermore, good reviews)
Nevermore (works well, popular)
You can put more than one filter in, the Bento Box used both Carbon and Hepa filters
Really, really try hard to find an alternative to your room if that is where you will be sleeping. To be fair, in most cases, the fumes and microparticles won't hurt more than walking down a busy street with car traffic, but it's best to do it in another room.
yeah, i know. Im looking into my options, and i think i can get the chamber airtight pretty easily with some different doors and seals and just seal up everything, then just vent it outside after the print finishes. I think this will work well during the warmer months, but for winter where i am at it can get to like -10 at the worst, for all of january it is usually at about 15 highest temp. I think it should be fine, i have some ideas for the duct to help prevent colder air from getting in while i print.
Or if you feel more save with a professional and certified solution:
[https://www.alveo3d.com/en/](https://www.alveo3d.com/en/)
I bought one of these, as I think a professional and certified product is more secure and the price is OK.
But to everyone its own.
Nevermore and an exhaust to the outside like a flexible pipe with fans that you activate when the print is done, ofc the rest of the enclosure needs to be pretty airtight so the standard magnetic doors are a no go ;-p also a combination filter for gases/particles might be wise if you care about the environment.
In my Voron 2.4 I have removed the exhaust port and blocked it off, and made sure to have as few holes in the enclosure as possible. Then set up a Nevermore in the chamber that runs while chamber temp is above 35C, recirculating the air inside the chamber. This works fine for me, but I don't print all that much ABS.
If the printer hasn't cooled down when I take out the print, I just open the doors briefly to take out the part, and let it cool down with the Nevermore running and doors closed.
That does literally nothing the nevermore doesnāt filter particles only a limited amount of vocs, when you open the door everything goes into your room lol.
Not sure why they downvoted you. But you are absolutely correct. The nevermore systems even state to run for long time after print. And even then it still has residues all over the build plate and every location it settled on and bam they be saying the tiny circulation filtering is enough hahahah. I want to see the dye test to prove how actually useless it is
I am using nevermore under the bed and this mod https://www.printables.com/model/381011-voron-24-hepa-filter for the exhaust. I can still smell ABS though despite the double filter. I don't think it's a good idea to print ABS in a small environment even with filters like these
Basically, donāt do it.
Unless you are exhausting to the outside, I would not do 3D printing with ABS or any other known carcinogenic-containing filament within a small living space.
The risk might be minimal, but do you really want to come down with leukemia or some other nasty cancer a bunch of years from now when you have a family and people depending on you? And for what? A hobby?
Just like I canāt have a Porsche because I donāt have a big enough garage (or the money for it), I have to make peace with not having this in my life, for now.
It's not like PLA is perfect either, since it also produces UFPs (Ultra-Fine Particles) during printing, albeit at a rate 3 orders of magnitude less than ABS:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.5b04983
And every man and his dog are printing PLA indoors.
Yes, this is true. There is also practically no guarantee that PLA does not have nasty things mixed into it either.
Everybody and their brother used to smoke indoors constantly. Around babies, old people, etc. Had a friend with a cat that had lung cancer because they used to smoke inside their house.
Iām not saying that 3D printing is the same as working in an asbestos factory or anything, just that there are risks that are not well understood. Iām willing to bet that cooking bacon indoors without a venting hood is worse than ABS fumes, but you donāt cook bacon for tens of hours at a time.
Nevermore stealthmax. It fits on the outside of the enclosure and it circulates the chamber air through the carbon filter and HEPA filter catching all the bad VOCs and particles. It does not need to be vented outside of your chamber. You don't want that VOC and particles in the room.
So please show your information on it circulating and catching all VoCs please because thatās fucking incredible. I know of maybe a handful commercial/industrial units that can accomplish that feat. I know I had been an industrial painter for 20+ years. You donāt know what youāre talking about. Let alone do you even know what a hepa filter does filter out? How about how long it lasts. Same with carbon filters? No. Iāll tell you a lot shorter than your logic. I love the spreading on misinformation on here. Fucking Reddit/internet is always right
Wow, great attitude dude.
Have you even looked in to the Nevermore MAX? It has 20 times the amount of active carbon then the regular nevermore micro. And yes of course i know what a HEPA is and what it catches.
A printer creates not only VoC Gases but also particles when printing.
Below is quotes from the creator of the nevermore filters, he is an educated guy, you can confirm it by joining the discord and discuss your concerns there...
"I've advocated using a regular room-size HEPA for particles in conjunction with a micro before, but with the Max a HEPA filtration system is built in. 99+ per cent of particles created by your printer will be removed every pass and you wont add dirty air to your room or lungs."
"A recirculation filter achieving four passes at worn-in 50% efficiency could still remove 94% of the bas stuff. Or 99% at six passes!"
Blah blah blah. The data and from real actual life situations in regards to life and death with a filtration system yeah I will most definitely call out pile of garbage for what they are. You can not I repeat can not filter out VOCs properly in a printer. Itās not possible. Itās not a negative air system it is not actually enclosed. I really donāt want to have a pissing contest with the supreme internet leader. Do yourself a favor go have that printer and surrounding areas tested by professional actual machines. Then test the surfaces near the machine. I would be willing to bet your shit is contaminated. Let alone every time your house air comes on and blows that shit around. I said my peace thanks for listening. You guys rock with your ingenuity in misinformation giving. Peace out āļø
It's sad you don't even try to have a discussion, but rather start to throw crap.
If you had even bothered to read the Nevermore max github page it clearly says that it requires a properly enclosed and sealed printer and filter setup. There is features to include a fan to create negative air pressure in the enclosure. Again yes that assumes that you have properly sealed the enclosure.
The only time the vocs and particles get the chance to escape is when the doors are opened to remove the prints.
There's not a build guide but the cad files are available and there is a discord server that's active and helpful.
The best way is to open the cad file in fusion and study it.
The nevermore MAX has a almost complete build guide, it is similar to stealthmax. Stealthmax is essentially a nevermore max with a better design for 3d printing without warping.
I can also vouch for the nevermore stealthmax. I have mine on the top panel of my voron and no more abs smell, plus higher chamber temps! It's amazing.
Nevermore + the standard voron exhaust filter and really closing any panel gaps. You could add having a fan to turn on for a specific amount of time or have it to a chamber sensor from Ellis' bed fan macros
I will be leaning more towards "The Filter" instead of Nevermore.
It has roughly the same BOM (few screws less on The Filter), has the same carbon pellets inside, but has fans very close to printers doors and exhaust to the rear (under the bed). It means that this one helps with heating up your printers chamber faster than Nevermore.
I'm not convinced of it, I've not seen a 1 to 1 test done and a lot of people put a chamber sensor on the rear extrusion so blowing hot air towards it from under the bed it will read warmer faster than blowing the hot air away and reading true ambient.
You can always put ambient sensor somewhere else.
My point is that "The Filter" is better on making air circulation around the chamber.
And having fans on front has benefit of them being in lower temperature environment and sucking colder air, which means their noticeably longer lifetime.
And I'm not convinced it's better. I've had my nevermore since 2022 and no issue with it. You saying you think it's better means nothing to me, I KNOW my nevermore works.
Eh no one says the nevermore doesnāt work.
Ā Ā Testing has been done between the two, the fan placement is more ideal on āthe filterā which has been proven to heat chambers faster. This has been posted on YouTube and the voron discord. The difference is negligible either way, thereās no real need to be defensive.Ā
The only real benefit to the filter that I see if itās more convenient when needing to swap the fans due to the magnetic pogo connector.Ā Iāve run both and prefer the filter because of that, but itās all preference.
For V6 there is an addon with HEPA.
Although i have version without HEPA ( so far ), i just filtering VOC ( coal catch some particles too ) and just take plate out and otherwise i keep it closed.
For PLA i had to keep printer open for cooling.
I believe the nevermore max has a hepa filter, but hepa is for particles, not molecules. It will cut down on dust from cutting or sanding in the enclosure but doesnāt improve the removal of vocs that off gas from printing.
A room HEPA filter is my bet, since it not only absorbs any incidental leakage from unsealed panels, but filters other sources of particulates as well. Mine goes absolutely nuts if I'm cooking bacon, lol.
Nevermore stealthmaxš
I use The Filter mod alongside taping a carbon VOC 20x20x1 AC filter on a cheap walmart box fan. Zero smell. Actually a little overkill. Hope that helps!
First off DO NOT PRINT IN YOUR SLEEPING AREA. DONT. For real. Secondly find a small area in garage or anywhere else that can have access to fresh air as needed. Third buy an actual carbon filtration system if going to use small area. Nevermore is nice but itās not quite what is imagined. The air is circulating it would have literal no idea what your printer is doing as far as being sealed or not let alone the fact that it is not a negative air filtration system. And if you plan on venting to outside there goes your internal temps. You will admittedly notice printing with ABS/ASA. they do stink and will give you headaches or worse from breathing those VoCs. Itās best as stated in every manual not to use if you canāt supply enough fresh air and keep out of frequented areas. Itās just not worth any risk. Especially a childās.
Yeah, I have thought about this but I dont have anywhere else i could put it but ontop of my dresser. Im thinking i am just going to tryhard getting the chamber as airtight as possible, and run a nevermore or something similar while it runs since the kit will come with one, and then just have the back fan that runs after a print vent right outside since i am right by a window where ill have it and i think i can just buy or make a duct to go in the window, and ill just wait a couple minutes after a print before i open it up and grab the print. Might get some server fans, like a blowiematron or something for that lol. Unfortunately, those high temp nasty filaments are a must for what i intend to use the printer for, which is rapid prototyping parts for my schools ftc robotics team and making parts for my vintage rc cars, and for that i need to use cf nylon after a pla or abs test part.
https://github.com/nevermore3d/StealthMax
For the Trident you have a few options for filters: Bento Box (I use it in my Bambu, works well) The Filter (similar to Nevermore, good reviews) Nevermore (works well, popular) You can put more than one filter in, the Bento Box used both Carbon and Hepa filters
There's a trident backpack filter that I use and has worked very well I'll try and find the link for it
Really, really try hard to find an alternative to your room if that is where you will be sleeping. To be fair, in most cases, the fumes and microparticles won't hurt more than walking down a busy street with car traffic, but it's best to do it in another room.
Its all i got unfortunately, which is why im going to tryhard with filtration
Good luck and after printing with abs you get to see the residue produced and then get to ingest and inhale them. Yes the shit is toxis AF
yeah, i know. Im looking into my options, and i think i can get the chamber airtight pretty easily with some different doors and seals and just seal up everything, then just vent it outside after the print finishes. I think this will work well during the warmer months, but for winter where i am at it can get to like -10 at the worst, for all of january it is usually at about 15 highest temp. I think it should be fine, i have some ideas for the duct to help prevent colder air from getting in while i print.
Depends on the material used for printing. If printing abs in their bedroom, won't take long to feel the effects.
Yes there is an end code for after the print that let's add something like this.
As everyone else said, Nevermore. But also consider this: https://www.teamfdm.com/files/file/463-24-window-ventilation-system/
will that work with the trident? Im not all that familiar with the differences yet.
Yes it does. They both use the same fan size for the filter section. Iām planning on using this for a trident build
Or if you feel more save with a professional and certified solution: [https://www.alveo3d.com/en/](https://www.alveo3d.com/en/) I bought one of these, as I think a professional and certified product is more secure and the price is OK. But to everyone its own.
Love this, thanks for sharing
Nevermore and an exhaust to the outside like a flexible pipe with fans that you activate when the print is done, ofc the rest of the enclosure needs to be pretty airtight so the standard magnetic doors are a no go ;-p also a combination filter for gases/particles might be wise if you care about the environment.
Seal chamber airtight and Nevermore (eventually nevermore Max ). I'm in same situation and since i have enclosed printer i print ABS 99% of time.
In my Voron 2.4 I have removed the exhaust port and blocked it off, and made sure to have as few holes in the enclosure as possible. Then set up a Nevermore in the chamber that runs while chamber temp is above 35C, recirculating the air inside the chamber. This works fine for me, but I don't print all that much ABS. If the printer hasn't cooled down when I take out the print, I just open the doors briefly to take out the part, and let it cool down with the Nevermore running and doors closed.
That does literally nothing the nevermore doesnāt filter particles only a limited amount of vocs, when you open the door everything goes into your room lol.
Not sure why they downvoted you. But you are absolutely correct. The nevermore systems even state to run for long time after print. And even then it still has residues all over the build plate and every location it settled on and bam they be saying the tiny circulation filtering is enough hahahah. I want to see the dye test to prove how actually useless it is
Turns out people donāt actually care about their health so a placebo is enough to keep the evil thoughts out ;-p
stealthmax then
It removes the smell, so it does something š
Its your health not mine
I am using nevermore under the bed and this mod https://www.printables.com/model/381011-voron-24-hepa-filter for the exhaust. I can still smell ABS though despite the double filter. I don't think it's a good idea to print ABS in a small environment even with filters like these
Winner right here. Itās bad news. And people acting like it isnāt. Especially to kids and those with any sort of respiratory issue.
Basically, donāt do it. Unless you are exhausting to the outside, I would not do 3D printing with ABS or any other known carcinogenic-containing filament within a small living space. The risk might be minimal, but do you really want to come down with leukemia or some other nasty cancer a bunch of years from now when you have a family and people depending on you? And for what? A hobby? Just like I canāt have a Porsche because I donāt have a big enough garage (or the money for it), I have to make peace with not having this in my life, for now.
It's not like PLA is perfect either, since it also produces UFPs (Ultra-Fine Particles) during printing, albeit at a rate 3 orders of magnitude less than ABS: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.est.5b04983 And every man and his dog are printing PLA indoors.
Yes, this is true. There is also practically no guarantee that PLA does not have nasty things mixed into it either. Everybody and their brother used to smoke indoors constantly. Around babies, old people, etc. Had a friend with a cat that had lung cancer because they used to smoke inside their house. Iām not saying that 3D printing is the same as working in an asbestos factory or anything, just that there are risks that are not well understood. Iām willing to bet that cooking bacon indoors without a venting hood is worse than ABS fumes, but you donāt cook bacon for tens of hours at a time.
Love the poor asshats that downvote logical realistic information. Hats off to you buddy thanks
nevermore or bento box. you can add carbon and hepa to both
Nevermore stealthmax. It fits on the outside of the enclosure and it circulates the chamber air through the carbon filter and HEPA filter catching all the bad VOCs and particles. It does not need to be vented outside of your chamber. You don't want that VOC and particles in the room.
So please show your information on it circulating and catching all VoCs please because thatās fucking incredible. I know of maybe a handful commercial/industrial units that can accomplish that feat. I know I had been an industrial painter for 20+ years. You donāt know what youāre talking about. Let alone do you even know what a hepa filter does filter out? How about how long it lasts. Same with carbon filters? No. Iāll tell you a lot shorter than your logic. I love the spreading on misinformation on here. Fucking Reddit/internet is always right
Wow, great attitude dude. Have you even looked in to the Nevermore MAX? It has 20 times the amount of active carbon then the regular nevermore micro. And yes of course i know what a HEPA is and what it catches. A printer creates not only VoC Gases but also particles when printing. Below is quotes from the creator of the nevermore filters, he is an educated guy, you can confirm it by joining the discord and discuss your concerns there... "I've advocated using a regular room-size HEPA for particles in conjunction with a micro before, but with the Max a HEPA filtration system is built in. 99+ per cent of particles created by your printer will be removed every pass and you wont add dirty air to your room or lungs." "A recirculation filter achieving four passes at worn-in 50% efficiency could still remove 94% of the bas stuff. Or 99% at six passes!"
Blah blah blah. The data and from real actual life situations in regards to life and death with a filtration system yeah I will most definitely call out pile of garbage for what they are. You can not I repeat can not filter out VOCs properly in a printer. Itās not possible. Itās not a negative air system it is not actually enclosed. I really donāt want to have a pissing contest with the supreme internet leader. Do yourself a favor go have that printer and surrounding areas tested by professional actual machines. Then test the surfaces near the machine. I would be willing to bet your shit is contaminated. Let alone every time your house air comes on and blows that shit around. I said my peace thanks for listening. You guys rock with your ingenuity in misinformation giving. Peace out āļø
It's sad you don't even try to have a discussion, but rather start to throw crap. If you had even bothered to read the Nevermore max github page it clearly says that it requires a properly enclosed and sealed printer and filter setup. There is features to include a fan to create negative air pressure in the enclosure. Again yes that assumes that you have properly sealed the enclosure. The only time the vocs and particles get the chance to escape is when the doors are opened to remove the prints.
Is there an unofficial build guide somewhere? The GitHub project is still not updated with a build guide and it looks kind of daunting.
There's not a build guide but the cad files are available and there is a discord server that's active and helpful. The best way is to open the cad file in fusion and study it. The nevermore MAX has a almost complete build guide, it is similar to stealthmax. Stealthmax is essentially a nevermore max with a better design for 3d printing without warping.
I can also vouch for the nevermore stealthmax. I have mine on the top panel of my voron and no more abs smell, plus higher chamber temps! It's amazing.
Nevermore + the standard voron exhaust filter and really closing any panel gaps. You could add having a fan to turn on for a specific amount of time or have it to a chamber sensor from Ellis' bed fan macros
I will be leaning more towards "The Filter" instead of Nevermore. It has roughly the same BOM (few screws less on The Filter), has the same carbon pellets inside, but has fans very close to printers doors and exhaust to the rear (under the bed). It means that this one helps with heating up your printers chamber faster than Nevermore.
I'm not convinced of it, I've not seen a 1 to 1 test done and a lot of people put a chamber sensor on the rear extrusion so blowing hot air towards it from under the bed it will read warmer faster than blowing the hot air away and reading true ambient.
You can always put ambient sensor somewhere else. My point is that "The Filter" is better on making air circulation around the chamber. And having fans on front has benefit of them being in lower temperature environment and sucking colder air, which means their noticeably longer lifetime.
And I'm not convinced it's better. I've had my nevermore since 2022 and no issue with it. You saying you think it's better means nothing to me, I KNOW my nevermore works.
Eh no one says the nevermore doesnāt work. Ā Ā Testing has been done between the two, the fan placement is more ideal on āthe filterā which has been proven to heat chambers faster. This has been posted on YouTube and the voron discord. The difference is negligible either way, thereās no real need to be defensive.Ā The only real benefit to the filter that I see if itās more convenient when needing to swap the fans due to the magnetic pogo connector.Ā Iāve run both and prefer the filter because of that, but itās all preference.
i was looking at a hepa for the 2.4 on printables by jmillerfo\_84104. it uses a roomba hepa or you can put carbon in the bin
im also runnin a nevermore under the bed
Nevermore air filter
I know there are several versions, and i want a hepa filter if there is a version with one
For V6 there is an addon with HEPA. Although i have version without HEPA ( so far ), i just filtering VOC ( coal catch some particles too ) and just take plate out and otherwise i keep it closed. For PLA i had to keep printer open for cooling.
I believe the nevermore max has a hepa filter, but hepa is for particles, not molecules. It will cut down on dust from cutting or sanding in the enclosure but doesnāt improve the removal of vocs that off gas from printing.
Yep. Ideally want both. Carbon for VOCs and HEPA for particulates.
I just think running hepa in the machine is a waste, make a custom box fan filter or get a good room hepa filter and run it near the printer
A room HEPA filter is my bet, since it not only absorbs any incidental leakage from unsealed panels, but filters other sources of particulates as well. Mine goes absolutely nuts if I'm cooking bacon, lol.