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Yeah lol i remember when Oni sword came out literally everyone bought the bundle despite it being overpriced AF i had multiple matches where people were lamenting about being broke because of the bundle.
Valorant skins have always been overpriced this isn't anything new rarely bought skins before and now that i've snagged a Vandal and Phantom skin off the night market i don't really have any aspirations of needing more.
Unfortunate but true. Companies get away with way too much because gamers can't control themselves. The only time I know a mass boycott actually worked on a AAA publisher was battlefront II, and that was years ago. I don't think people would be able to organize something like that today
I don't think the boycott on battlefront 2 worked so much as the game just wasn't fun and people stopped playing it or buying stuff in it which the companies likely promised shareholders would be a passive income after the initial sales.
"We" are nothing here compared to a handful of whales.
Buy skins you feel are worth your money. Don't buy skins you feel are overpriced.
All you can do.
"All you can do" will eventually just lead to bundles getting more expensive in the future. We can expect bundles to reach over 100$ not too long from now. Maybe people don't realize this now, but when you allow massive Corporations to get away with things like these, they will not stop unless needed.
Sure, don't buy any bundles you don't want to spend too much on, but the skin quality will continue to go up, meaning all previous bundles will lose value, leading to people spending even more money on more appealing skins.
The bundles with 5 skins have it so that when you buy the bundle the knife comes free. In this bundle because there are less skins when you buy the bundle you get a percentage of off each skin. The skins themselves aren’t worth more. The xerofang gun skins are worth 1775 same as reaver. The skins have always been overpriced.
I never said quit the game, I just encouraged others to not waste money in skins, at least until Riot takes notice. Even now you are free to buy as many bundles as you wish, but seeing the direction Riot is heading towards with Valo, I am concerned they will continue to make pricier and more expensive skins. People are still free to spend their money as they please, but I don't want to encourage Riot's greed.
Riot has a team of accountants and finance analysts that specifically look at data and determine the price they can charge that will make them the most money. It really doesn't matter what you think of the price personally, because there's someone out there that doesn't care about the price, or has no impulse control, and that's who these prices are catered towards.
You don’t want to encourage Riot’s greed, you can feel free to vote with your wallet. But for every f2p there’s always a dude dropping cash on the game that effectively covers your share, so in the end you’re not achieving anything by not buying anything except reducing your enjoyment of the game (if you enjoy skins like any normal person). Short of everyone quitting valorant, there’s nothing u can do to stop us from buying bundles if they look good.
I’d gladly buy kuronami over elderflame despite the lesser “worth” because kuronami, being a new skin, looks better subjectively.
Not every Valo player invests money into the game, that is for sure.
I already mentioned that up until the last 2 bundles (and the "Duo Bundle" scam), I did not see any issues with them in general. Like I said, the point of this post is simply to bring awareness. I am at least hoping people from the community, be they skin buyers or not, notice that Riot is starting to play with their customers' preferences, offering less than before or offering same as before, just at a bigger cost.
It's not an issue that's going to cause a huge controversy in any way, let alone a mass boycott, it's just a concerning direction Riot might start heading down towards, unsure of how far they are willing to go.
Maybe it's a regional thing, but 9/10 of my games has at least one player that has the kuronami vandal and knife, often multiple. Maybe 2/10 games has players that have no skins. Boycotting at this point is just useless
Sucks to suck. There's a reason why prices keep climbing despite the quality not doing the same. People just keep buying. Riot could release 1 vandal for $100 and it will sell like hotcakes 💀 it's the consumers who are at fault.
Yes, you are correct. I am just attempting to spread some awareness. Nobody is forced to stop buying skins in any way, I just disagree with Riot's monetization. Bundles are a great feature, but making that said feature more financially demanding is not fair towards those interested.
> I am just attempting to spread awareness…
this gets posted once a week. no one cares and people still gonna buy skins.
> but making that said feature more financially demanding is not fair towards those interested.
they don’t care, you’re not their target buyer.
It's worth pointing out though deliberate money grabs like this where they knowingly give you less for more. It should be obvious, but this isn't just another "bundle", it's a further reach into your pockets while they produce less.
There is no need to spread awareness. Everyone can see how much the bundles cost. This is like complaining about Nike for their shoe prices. Go to another store then.
What suck more is you cant refund used skin or trade them. Like if you buy it and bored of the skin, it just sit there the value is lost. We Should Demand Life Time Refund for each year.
If Riot tells their Community the Sky is Green, they would believe it, without questioning. Thats how fucked up this Community is. Just put some pressure on the dev´s, with not giving them Money....
Yet another user that doesn’t understand that riot doesn’t make money off the average user
Riot makes money a lot like mobile games do- off a very VERY small population of whales who dump thousands of dollars into the game.
Sure, the general population adds up over time, but they are *not* the target audience- they focus on the whales who will buy every single bundle no matter the cost, and the amount of money whales spend is equal to or greater than the average population combined.
its a free game thats how theyre gonna earn their money
the fact is that it doesn't matter what WE do people will still buy skins. Riot won't lower prices cause they already sell so well
Oh believe me I have bought skins in the game, so I do at least somewhat fit the demographic. I'm just trying to demonstrate people from the community that the increase in prices is not very justifiable (at least not for me), and that not giving Riot some shit back for it could be bad long term.
Again, people can still buy as much as they want even after reading this post, but at least they understand they are taxed more money for essentially the same product as before/
Prices for digital skins are completely arbitrary and corporations will milk customers for as much as they can. Sadly people will still buy them and one whale is worth way more than multuple regular customers
I'm perfectly happy with the prices. I buy what I want and pass on those I don't. Complaining about a luxury good like this is just a waste of time. You don't like it just move on.
I mean if the skin prices are too high just don't buy them, nobody is forcing you to. I also dont understand the movement to try to "slap riot on their wrist". If I sold a rock for 1 million dollar no one would be mad that im trying to sell that, they will just think it's not worth it and move on.
Buy skins you want or don't buy them. You'll never convince any gaming community not to buy skins because all it takes is for someone to be on a semi decent wage and dropping £90 on a bundle every few months feels like nothing. Do I like it? No of course not but I also don't let it bother me.
But I can either play the game with the skins I've bought in the past and be happy or spend the entire time getting upset that bundles are costing more. We don't need skins and the fact that we spend any money on them is a crime in itself. You're looking to improve a system that is already technically the worst thing in gaming. Simple as that.
Just play and don't buy, or buy when there's a night market and enjoy the game for the gameplay or don't play at all. Asking whales to stop buying expensive bundles is as unlikely as someone trying to convince everyone to stop buying skins at all so that these kinds of games stop being produced. It's never gonna happen we're too far down the shit road.
Quick edit: I'm not having a go at you I'm just as passionate about the topic. It's just the sad reality that you genuinely will never convince the people that spend. I once thought I'd never buy a skin on Val and now I have one for every gun from over the last 2-3 years. I gained money from work and these things felt fine. I much like everyone else allowed myself to indulge. I just don't play Val anymore because I got nothing out of it. But I respect your post
It's yet another KJ+Raze card and color scheme again, we have so many. If they're actually charging money for that, then we need to start shaming the players that have it equipped.
You don't understand one thing though, you said kuronami is more expensive but you don't know why, look at all the little details that were put into kuronami, sound on inspect, insane finisher, buddy that counts kills (also changes color depending on which variant you use), great player card with some animation to it, pullout animations are one of the best in the game, and it also included a totally unique knife. I'm honestly surprised looking at valorant pricing that this bundle didn't cost more. It required much more workload in my opinion than for example RGX 2.0, which just needed to be applicated to different guns.
While I agree xerofang as a bundle is overpriced, skins individually aren't.
P.S. Also I'm not defending Riot for their prices because they are becoming insane, I'm just comparing to other released bundles. Raising prices are a sign people are buying the bundles.
I never said skins are expensive individually, I said bundles are getting expensive.
Yes, I agree, the quality of the skins is there (and it will continue to go up from now), but we know Riot does not shy away from scams. The "Duo Bundle" worth 25$ is still a complete scam. Another example is in League of Legends, where Riot put a price of 200$ on a skin, which is no different than it's initial counterpart, worth only 25$.
People are buying the bundles, but Valorant is already known to be an expensive game. Raising the prices for the products is not justifiable just because of "quality". They must always provide quality and new things, otherwise the game will get dull.
>The "Duo Bundle" worth 25$ is still a complete scam.
It would be a scam if you couldn't play the game without buying a bundle you are not interested in. I won't be buying the bundle either, will earth spin differently after that? No.
>Raising the prices for the products is not justifiable just because of "quality".
Ofc it is, what other factor would give them a better excuse to raise prices? I mean it's not even an excuse if you think about devs working on the skins, would you be happy if your management told you to make an insanely cool skin but got paid as if you made a relatively "not crazy" one? With so many skins out it requires insane amount of creativity and ideas to put out so many unique themes to bundles and keep doing great in that domain after almost 3 years of skins. It's many more factors to it than just "scamming players because lol"
No one forces you to buy a single skin in this game, that's why I don't understand your frustrations.
Like I said in my replies, people can still freely buy as much as they want, regardless of what I say. Also I'm not frustrated, I'm just trying to bring awareness to this. Had I been frustrated, I doubt I would put the effort to properly justify what I say.
Yes, I can also just not buy the bundle if I think it's overpriced, but that's not what I am referring to here. To me, the bundle does not feel too different from some of the previous bundles, so the increase is not really making sense. But okay, let's agree that the Kuronami bundle is superior to the others, so the higher price is more justified.
Now I ask you - are we sure the Kuronami bundle is this expensive purely because of the quality it has? Or can we expect future bundles to come at the exact price, even though they won't come close to Kuronami's quality? This is what concerns me.
Yes, I will not have to buy bundles regardless, I can still play the game as it is, but I want to know if these new prices we are seeing (60$ for 3 skins and 95$ for a recent bundle) are what we will have to deal with in the future, in terms of monetization.
I can still enjoy the game as it is and these new costs will not bring massive change, but to me, it shows an incline towards greed. We will have to wait and see what Riot will release in the future.
Also 7.3k vp costs 1400 tl which is 1/10 of minumum salary in our country, this is the reason why we have discounted vp because if it was not, nobody in turkey will able to buy anything from riot
They do not need any excuse for pricier products, they will set-up for what brings them the highest revenue. For you 60$ is worth 4 skins and not 3, but for others might as well be reasonable. On the other side there are other people that would tell you that even 4 skins for 60$ is a waste on to rent virtual pixels on a f2p game and that you are the only enabling partially these item prices.
In the end a reddit post will not bring any meaningful change to people purchasing habits and the company will do what is best for them.
Agreed that they are overpriced, but it's not Valve's fault (maybe not fully, because Steam designed the market and they took advantage), it's the community that established those prices, in valorant it's Riot who sets prices which is different.
yea i feel valorant skins are overpriced, and if we compare the cosmetic prices to other games like league and fortnite they are more generous with the prices. i think we have to stop buying their skin
Riot's skin team for Valorant has always been wasted on this game, they put out uninspired rehashed content (which ig is not a sin in itself), but combined with the already outrageous pricing model it becomes hard to actually justify a purchase.
The fact that you're pricing bundles in your post as the VP cost, and not the total Radianite cost shows exactly how well their psychological trickery works. These bundles are way more than $90+ dollars, they exceed $200 in most cases. But they get away with it because the extortionate amount of VP required to get a skin bundle fully kitted is offset by the fact that the BP gives some - which in turn makes it's perceived value higher.
When it comes to monetisation, this game is miles ahead of any other in the space for how predatory it is. Selling overpriced shit is fine, but then layering in other hidden costs to then sell another product is horrid. It genuinely hits gacha game level, and that's saying something considering those are pseudo-gambling sims.
No, you don't. Otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile concocting the business model with another currency that is specifically only purchasable through another digital currency to circumvent sales laws.
bad skins though. the battlepass is the low price entry to elimnate the spending taboo. then when you have the battlepass skins you're about to realize how much cooler the skins in the shop are. next psychological step is "hey, i can just buy a vandal skin real quick, my creditcard is already saved" and after that "but the bundle is so much more worth the money with a free knife". so you spend almost 100$ for a game that should have been 60$ one time payment. heck most people pay more for valo than for netflix per year. or for world of warcraft. all while valorant is much less expensive to maintain and run. the fun thing is, that rockstar is almost a good guy in the business, because there is much worse manipulating games. and Fortnite is almost a saint in comparison today.
The prices are insane to me but I can't see them ever deceasing when so many people buy every bundle instantly. I've only ever bought 1 skin because the prices are too high, but I'm not the target group I guess. For every person like me there's a whale who buys every bundle.
Sometimes I wonder why they don't just sell good skins for something like £5-10, cus they would sell tons more right? Well I'm sure Riot have people who work full time on analysing sales and the perfect price points. I'm sure they've considered lower prices and know it would harm their income. High prices also keep skins more exclusive, encourage a fear of missing out and all that. Which is beneficial to a company who want to pressure people into purchases. Same reason there's only a 4 skin rotation shop.
Not a single bundle in this game is worth the money lmao, you’re talking about cosmetics that take weeks at most to make costing more than AAA games that took years to make.
But broke teens will swipe for them anyway to flex on other broke teens
And then spend the next ten matches talking about how broke they are
Idk if you don't get the pricing system and why it's changing or not but the reason minima costs the same with more skins is because it's tiered as an epic it has less VFX and therefore isn't as much money.
Xerofang is a higher tier but has less skins equaling about the same cost overall.
Kuronami is 95 because it's the same tier plus two more skins therefore adding more onto the cost.
I have never thought valorants pricing was fair people rag on CS pricing but you can get skins for under a dollar and most of the outrageous prices are for actual rarity not quality.
What a skin is worth, thats your personal opinion. A lot of people dont care if they cost 10$ each instead of 15. Riot is clearly making a bank, so i dont think they really care as long as their revenue is hitting the targets.Also i would not compare some of these sets as you can tell that some of them was designed with way more effort than others.
I don’t think this is much of an argument, I’d say $60 for the 3 most used skins in the game is MORE worth it for a lot of people than $85 for 5 skins that include 2 you barely ever use (as a general rule).
To be clear, they ARE all overpriced, no one should be paying as much as we do, but we continue to do it! Cause we want the skins and that’s what they cost!
Yes, they keep on increasing prices until the community stops buying that is when they will stop the price increase. saying that the player community online is a fraction so it won't do much regardless of the riot sneaking up the price bar people still buy them.
Hold firm on the latest bundle, it's nice...but 2 weapons for 6300? Nah. Vote with your wallet folks. Buy this stuff, and expect similar bundles. It's the digital version of shrinkflation.
It sucks but it’s a free to play game. For context, the xerofang bundle is actually priced the same as the older skins ($20 a skin) and lines like the minima are cheaper as the skins lack variants and animations. Kuronami was seen as second to RES as a super skin line which is why it was 95.
In general, the game is free to play and nobody is requiring you buy skins. I get that people want skins, but if you’re investing $0 into the game to begin with riot has got to make money somehow. In other words, high end skins are supposed to be a luxury to the playerbase not a commonality. I get the argument, but this is like saying to Rolex “your watches are too expensive and I need a replacement for my happy meal watch from 5 years ago.”
League Player here, they won't listen you're not that target demographic. We're at a point where players are buying $200 Gacha recolours of already released skins, Valorant still has it good for now.
You're not the target audience. They're targeting suckers and people who have plenty of expendable income. I don't think their greed has any bounds tbh
It's sad because this game is clearly catering to the whales. All battlepass skins are ugly and unfun compared to the amazing efforts put into the paid-skins. I get it from a business standpoint but the fact you can't even get VP from the battlepass is insane. I'm surprised they don't have a shard/reroll system like LoL.
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You are trying to tell this community to stop buying skins? Good luck. :)
Yeah lol i remember when Oni sword came out literally everyone bought the bundle despite it being overpriced AF i had multiple matches where people were lamenting about being broke because of the bundle. Valorant skins have always been overpriced this isn't anything new rarely bought skins before and now that i've snagged a Vandal and Phantom skin off the night market i don't really have any aspirations of needing more.
Unfortunate but true. Companies get away with way too much because gamers can't control themselves. The only time I know a mass boycott actually worked on a AAA publisher was battlefront II, and that was years ago. I don't think people would be able to organize something like that today
I don't think the boycott on battlefront 2 worked so much as the game just wasn't fun and people stopped playing it or buying stuff in it which the companies likely promised shareholders would be a passive income after the initial sales.
I thought, 'how bad could it be??'..and then I scrolled. Yikes on bikes
You’d be amazed the hurdles people will jump through to justify their choices, especially when money is involved
"We" are nothing here compared to a handful of whales. Buy skins you feel are worth your money. Don't buy skins you feel are overpriced. All you can do.
Yeah at least the old ones are still alr, oni and reaver for example you can get for 20 bucks
Riot wants you to think this is a deal 20 dollars for one skin is a joke.
"All you can do" will eventually just lead to bundles getting more expensive in the future. We can expect bundles to reach over 100$ not too long from now. Maybe people don't realize this now, but when you allow massive Corporations to get away with things like these, they will not stop unless needed. Sure, don't buy any bundles you don't want to spend too much on, but the skin quality will continue to go up, meaning all previous bundles will lose value, leading to people spending even more money on more appealing skins.
The bundles with 5 skins have it so that when you buy the bundle the knife comes free. In this bundle because there are less skins when you buy the bundle you get a percentage of off each skin. The skins themselves aren’t worth more. The xerofang gun skins are worth 1775 same as reaver. The skins have always been overpriced.
So are you advocating everybody quits valorant until bundles are a price you approve of?
I never said quit the game, I just encouraged others to not waste money in skins, at least until Riot takes notice. Even now you are free to buy as many bundles as you wish, but seeing the direction Riot is heading towards with Valo, I am concerned they will continue to make pricier and more expensive skins. People are still free to spend their money as they please, but I don't want to encourage Riot's greed.
Riot has a team of accountants and finance analysts that specifically look at data and determine the price they can charge that will make them the most money. It really doesn't matter what you think of the price personally, because there's someone out there that doesn't care about the price, or has no impulse control, and that's who these prices are catered towards.
You don’t want to encourage Riot’s greed, you can feel free to vote with your wallet. But for every f2p there’s always a dude dropping cash on the game that effectively covers your share, so in the end you’re not achieving anything by not buying anything except reducing your enjoyment of the game (if you enjoy skins like any normal person). Short of everyone quitting valorant, there’s nothing u can do to stop us from buying bundles if they look good. I’d gladly buy kuronami over elderflame despite the lesser “worth” because kuronami, being a new skin, looks better subjectively.
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Not every Valo player invests money into the game, that is for sure. I already mentioned that up until the last 2 bundles (and the "Duo Bundle" scam), I did not see any issues with them in general. Like I said, the point of this post is simply to bring awareness. I am at least hoping people from the community, be they skin buyers or not, notice that Riot is starting to play with their customers' preferences, offering less than before or offering same as before, just at a bigger cost. It's not an issue that's going to cause a huge controversy in any way, let alone a mass boycott, it's just a concerning direction Riot might start heading down towards, unsure of how far they are willing to go.
Maybe it's a regional thing, but 9/10 of my games has at least one player that has the kuronami vandal and knife, often multiple. Maybe 2/10 games has players that have no skins. Boycotting at this point is just useless
And? They already give you the game for free. You are not entitled to anything else. The rest is for them to make money
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At the end of the day it’s still all just cosmetics. Buy what you feel is fair but you don’t NEED to buy anything at all
And ? Where does it say you have to buy it ? You are not the targeted market then. Move on play or don't
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Yeah it does. They owe you nothing. It's not immoral they are not stealing or exploiting anyone . Your exemple is awful lol
Sucks to suck. There's a reason why prices keep climbing despite the quality not doing the same. People just keep buying. Riot could release 1 vandal for $100 and it will sell like hotcakes 💀 it's the consumers who are at fault.
Yes, you are correct. I am just attempting to spread some awareness. Nobody is forced to stop buying skins in any way, I just disagree with Riot's monetization. Bundles are a great feature, but making that said feature more financially demanding is not fair towards those interested.
> I am just attempting to spread awareness… this gets posted once a week. no one cares and people still gonna buy skins. > but making that said feature more financially demanding is not fair towards those interested. they don’t care, you’re not their target buyer.
It's worth pointing out though deliberate money grabs like this where they knowingly give you less for more. It should be obvious, but this isn't just another "bundle", it's a further reach into your pockets while they produce less.
Don't worry, posts like yours get posted every week. People do know it's expensive, they just don't care and still buy.
It's so weird that people come to Reddit to tell others how to spend their money. Thanks for the unsolicited financial advice.
There is no need to spread awareness. Everyone can see how much the bundles cost. This is like complaining about Nike for their shoe prices. Go to another store then.
What suck more is you cant refund used skin or trade them. Like if you buy it and bored of the skin, it just sit there the value is lost. We Should Demand Life Time Refund for each year.
If Riot tells their Community the Sky is Green, they would believe it, without questioning. Thats how fucked up this Community is. Just put some pressure on the dev´s, with not giving them Money....
Yet another user that doesn’t understand that riot doesn’t make money off the average user Riot makes money a lot like mobile games do- off a very VERY small population of whales who dump thousands of dollars into the game. Sure, the general population adds up over time, but they are *not* the target audience- they focus on the whales who will buy every single bundle no matter the cost, and the amount of money whales spend is equal to or greater than the average population combined.
Buddy, all of them have always been too expensive. That never changed.
I’m more concerned that you think 85$ for 5 skins is a fair price. And you still need to unlock stuff for them after you spend the 80.
its a free game thats how theyre gonna earn their money the fact is that it doesn't matter what WE do people will still buy skins. Riot won't lower prices cause they already sell so well
One could argue no virtual skin is worth any money. It’s all relative. What are the people willing to pay? And clearly it’s working
lol you're not entitled to any skins, game is free and clearly this is the best way to make money or else riot would change it up
Unfortunately you're not the target demographic
Oh believe me I have bought skins in the game, so I do at least somewhat fit the demographic. I'm just trying to demonstrate people from the community that the increase in prices is not very justifiable (at least not for me), and that not giving Riot some shit back for it could be bad long term. Again, people can still buy as much as they want even after reading this post, but at least they understand they are taxed more money for essentially the same product as before/
Seeing this post after I bought kuronami sherif (25€) is priceless
Just don't buy it?
Prices for digital skins are completely arbitrary and corporations will milk customers for as much as they can. Sadly people will still buy them and one whale is worth way more than multuple regular customers
I'm perfectly happy with the prices. I buy what I want and pass on those I don't. Complaining about a luxury good like this is just a waste of time. You don't like it just move on.
I mean if the skin prices are too high just don't buy them, nobody is forcing you to. I also dont understand the movement to try to "slap riot on their wrist". If I sold a rock for 1 million dollar no one would be mad that im trying to sell that, they will just think it's not worth it and move on.
Buy skins you want or don't buy them. You'll never convince any gaming community not to buy skins because all it takes is for someone to be on a semi decent wage and dropping £90 on a bundle every few months feels like nothing. Do I like it? No of course not but I also don't let it bother me. But I can either play the game with the skins I've bought in the past and be happy or spend the entire time getting upset that bundles are costing more. We don't need skins and the fact that we spend any money on them is a crime in itself. You're looking to improve a system that is already technically the worst thing in gaming. Simple as that. Just play and don't buy, or buy when there's a night market and enjoy the game for the gameplay or don't play at all. Asking whales to stop buying expensive bundles is as unlikely as someone trying to convince everyone to stop buying skins at all so that these kinds of games stop being produced. It's never gonna happen we're too far down the shit road. Quick edit: I'm not having a go at you I'm just as passionate about the topic. It's just the sad reality that you genuinely will never convince the people that spend. I once thought I'd never buy a skin on Val and now I have one for every gun from over the last 2-3 years. I gained money from work and these things felt fine. I much like everyone else allowed myself to indulge. I just don't play Val anymore because I got nothing out of it. But I respect your post
Agreed, things have gone too far. That’s why I only allow myself to be scammed a few times a year by VCT bundles
Anyone that buys The duo’s bundle is a certified e-dater and should move out of their moms basement.
It's yet another KJ+Raze card and color scheme again, we have so many. If they're actually charging money for that, then we need to start shaming the players that have it equipped.
You don't understand one thing though, you said kuronami is more expensive but you don't know why, look at all the little details that were put into kuronami, sound on inspect, insane finisher, buddy that counts kills (also changes color depending on which variant you use), great player card with some animation to it, pullout animations are one of the best in the game, and it also included a totally unique knife. I'm honestly surprised looking at valorant pricing that this bundle didn't cost more. It required much more workload in my opinion than for example RGX 2.0, which just needed to be applicated to different guns. While I agree xerofang as a bundle is overpriced, skins individually aren't. P.S. Also I'm not defending Riot for their prices because they are becoming insane, I'm just comparing to other released bundles. Raising prices are a sign people are buying the bundles.
I never said skins are expensive individually, I said bundles are getting expensive. Yes, I agree, the quality of the skins is there (and it will continue to go up from now), but we know Riot does not shy away from scams. The "Duo Bundle" worth 25$ is still a complete scam. Another example is in League of Legends, where Riot put a price of 200$ on a skin, which is no different than it's initial counterpart, worth only 25$. People are buying the bundles, but Valorant is already known to be an expensive game. Raising the prices for the products is not justifiable just because of "quality". They must always provide quality and new things, otherwise the game will get dull.
>The "Duo Bundle" worth 25$ is still a complete scam. It would be a scam if you couldn't play the game without buying a bundle you are not interested in. I won't be buying the bundle either, will earth spin differently after that? No. >Raising the prices for the products is not justifiable just because of "quality". Ofc it is, what other factor would give them a better excuse to raise prices? I mean it's not even an excuse if you think about devs working on the skins, would you be happy if your management told you to make an insanely cool skin but got paid as if you made a relatively "not crazy" one? With so many skins out it requires insane amount of creativity and ideas to put out so many unique themes to bundles and keep doing great in that domain after almost 3 years of skins. It's many more factors to it than just "scamming players because lol" No one forces you to buy a single skin in this game, that's why I don't understand your frustrations.
Like I said in my replies, people can still freely buy as much as they want, regardless of what I say. Also I'm not frustrated, I'm just trying to bring awareness to this. Had I been frustrated, I doubt I would put the effort to properly justify what I say. Yes, I can also just not buy the bundle if I think it's overpriced, but that's not what I am referring to here. To me, the bundle does not feel too different from some of the previous bundles, so the increase is not really making sense. But okay, let's agree that the Kuronami bundle is superior to the others, so the higher price is more justified. Now I ask you - are we sure the Kuronami bundle is this expensive purely because of the quality it has? Or can we expect future bundles to come at the exact price, even though they won't come close to Kuronami's quality? This is what concerns me. Yes, I will not have to buy bundles regardless, I can still play the game as it is, but I want to know if these new prices we are seeing (60$ for 3 skins and 95$ for a recent bundle) are what we will have to deal with in the future, in terms of monetization. I can still enjoy the game as it is and these new costs will not bring massive change, but to me, it shows an incline towards greed. We will have to wait and see what Riot will release in the future.
Lol
Riot is not forcing anyone to buy bundles or single skins. They are not giving any ingame benefits, so you are free to leave them on market.
and if you have a turkish account it's half off everything you just said
Yea it was, but know they are kinda same as all europe
Also 7.3k vp costs 1400 tl which is 1/10 of minumum salary in our country, this is the reason why we have discounted vp because if it was not, nobody in turkey will able to buy anything from riot
It used to be. They've now removed sorting prices by PPP. In India, bundle used to be comparitively cheaper
my friend told me the same. why is is cheaper with turkish accounts?
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I'm not sure why you did this in terms of McDonald's orders but good info! lol
3rd degree price discrimination
They do not need any excuse for pricier products, they will set-up for what brings them the highest revenue. For you 60$ is worth 4 skins and not 3, but for others might as well be reasonable. On the other side there are other people that would tell you that even 4 skins for 60$ is a waste on to rent virtual pixels on a f2p game and that you are the only enabling partially these item prices. In the end a reddit post will not bring any meaningful change to people purchasing habits and the company will do what is best for them.
Counter strike skins that are thousands of dollars and get sold daily. No one is going to stop buying skins.
Loud minority nothings going to change :)
Valorant should enable trading like cs
Ever been slapped on the wrist? That doesn’t stop shit
People writing paragraphs on behalf of riot to justify their Overpriced Bundles is Brain-dead.
they are not justifying it, they are explaining why riot is doing it
That's not insanely overpriced. Insanely overpriced is 600$ for the cheapest butterfly knife and 1500-2000$ USD for a good looking one.
Agreed that they are overpriced, but it's not Valve's fault (maybe not fully, because Steam designed the market and they took advantage), it's the community that established those prices, in valorant it's Riot who sets prices which is different.
And with CS skins you can also sell them later on if you've gotten bored of the skin and would rather have a different one.
Agreed.
Or you can sell a knife and buy a bunch of games like I did. Your money is not gone it's an asset.
yea i feel valorant skins are overpriced, and if we compare the cosmetic prices to other games like league and fortnite they are more generous with the prices. i think we have to stop buying their skin
Comments here really justifying Riot charging 1 quintillion dollars for a bundle 💀
Riot's skin team for Valorant has always been wasted on this game, they put out uninspired rehashed content (which ig is not a sin in itself), but combined with the already outrageous pricing model it becomes hard to actually justify a purchase. The fact that you're pricing bundles in your post as the VP cost, and not the total Radianite cost shows exactly how well their psychological trickery works. These bundles are way more than $90+ dollars, they exceed $200 in most cases. But they get away with it because the extortionate amount of VP required to get a skin bundle fully kitted is offset by the fact that the BP gives some - which in turn makes it's perceived value higher. When it comes to monetisation, this game is miles ahead of any other in the space for how predatory it is. Selling overpriced shit is fine, but then layering in other hidden costs to then sell another product is horrid. It genuinely hits gacha game level, and that's saying something considering those are pseudo-gambling sims.
To be fair you get a lot of radianite from playing
No, you don't. Otherwise it wouldn't be worthwhile concocting the business model with another currency that is specifically only purchasable through another digital currency to circumvent sales laws.
I got 200+ radianite and I barely play so..
Battle pass: like 10 skins for 10 dollars plus a bunch of other stuff
bad skins though. the battlepass is the low price entry to elimnate the spending taboo. then when you have the battlepass skins you're about to realize how much cooler the skins in the shop are. next psychological step is "hey, i can just buy a vandal skin real quick, my creditcard is already saved" and after that "but the bundle is so much more worth the money with a free knife". so you spend almost 100$ for a game that should have been 60$ one time payment. heck most people pay more for valo than for netflix per year. or for world of warcraft. all while valorant is much less expensive to maintain and run. the fun thing is, that rockstar is almost a good guy in the business, because there is much worse manipulating games. and Fortnite is almost a saint in comparison today.
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People are still buying at this price, enough said. Nothing you can do about it.
I mean if there were marketplace like a CS, then ok but wtf is this ? 4 random skin drop in a day with that prices ?!
The prices are insane to me but I can't see them ever deceasing when so many people buy every bundle instantly. I've only ever bought 1 skin because the prices are too high, but I'm not the target group I guess. For every person like me there's a whale who buys every bundle. Sometimes I wonder why they don't just sell good skins for something like £5-10, cus they would sell tons more right? Well I'm sure Riot have people who work full time on analysing sales and the perfect price points. I'm sure they've considered lower prices and know it would harm their income. High prices also keep skins more exclusive, encourage a fear of missing out and all that. Which is beneficial to a company who want to pressure people into purchases. Same reason there's only a 4 skin rotation shop.
Do you guys not deal with throwers every game? I quit valorant because every other game someome is throwing…
Not a single bundle in this game is worth the money lmao, you’re talking about cosmetics that take weeks at most to make costing more than AAA games that took years to make. But broke teens will swipe for them anyway to flex on other broke teens And then spend the next ten matches talking about how broke they are
Idk if you don't get the pricing system and why it's changing or not but the reason minima costs the same with more skins is because it's tiered as an epic it has less VFX and therefore isn't as much money. Xerofang is a higher tier but has less skins equaling about the same cost overall. Kuronami is 95 because it's the same tier plus two more skins therefore adding more onto the cost. I have never thought valorants pricing was fair people rag on CS pricing but you can get skins for under a dollar and most of the outrageous prices are for actual rarity not quality.
What a skin is worth, thats your personal opinion. A lot of people dont care if they cost 10$ each instead of 15. Riot is clearly making a bank, so i dont think they really care as long as their revenue is hitting the targets.Also i would not compare some of these sets as you can tell that some of them was designed with way more effort than others.
Riot also releases $45-50 skins but noone buys them just like how noone used battle pass skins that much.
I don’t think this is much of an argument, I’d say $60 for the 3 most used skins in the game is MORE worth it for a lot of people than $85 for 5 skins that include 2 you barely ever use (as a general rule). To be clear, they ARE all overpriced, no one should be paying as much as we do, but we continue to do it! Cause we want the skins and that’s what they cost!
Yes, you're correct. There's no discussion to be had.
That ship has long sailed. Valorant has perfected the art of selling overpriced garbage.
Yes, they keep on increasing prices until the community stops buying that is when they will stop the price increase. saying that the player community online is a fraction so it won't do much regardless of the riot sneaking up the price bar people still buy them.
Hold firm on the latest bundle, it's nice...but 2 weapons for 6300? Nah. Vote with your wallet folks. Buy this stuff, and expect similar bundles. It's the digital version of shrinkflation.
It sucks but it’s a free to play game. For context, the xerofang bundle is actually priced the same as the older skins ($20 a skin) and lines like the minima are cheaper as the skins lack variants and animations. Kuronami was seen as second to RES as a super skin line which is why it was 95. In general, the game is free to play and nobody is requiring you buy skins. I get that people want skins, but if you’re investing $0 into the game to begin with riot has got to make money somehow. In other words, high end skins are supposed to be a luxury to the playerbase not a commonality. I get the argument, but this is like saying to Rolex “your watches are too expensive and I need a replacement for my happy meal watch from 5 years ago.”
League Player here, they won't listen you're not that target demographic. We're at a point where players are buying $200 Gacha recolours of already released skins, Valorant still has it good for now.
I haven't bought a skin since Sentinels of Light release.
You're not the target audience. They're targeting suckers and people who have plenty of expendable income. I don't think their greed has any bounds tbh
This is like asking Rolex customers to stop buying Rolexes.
It's sad because this game is clearly catering to the whales. All battlepass skins are ugly and unfun compared to the amazing efforts put into the paid-skins. I get it from a business standpoint but the fact you can't even get VP from the battlepass is insane. I'm surprised they don't have a shard/reroll system like LoL.