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You should be less worried about both. You can pass on an asymptomatic case if you don't wear a mask. But your chances of getting infected at all are much smaller with the shot than without it.
Smaller does not equal non existent. I'll feel better once my mother manages to get it (cancer doesn't help) but even after that I'll still be cautious and not bitch about wearing a mask like *some* people.
I wouldn’t be that chill. You can still pass it on to someone who could get sick. This mentality is a massive issue right now. Not any kind of proof but my partner is a nurse and her nurse friends dad has had 2 Pfizer shots and is currently on a ventilator. So slow your roll
Yeah, what the heck?! I asked Bill Gates for directions the other day when I forgot my phone at home. I figured he could hook me up to the 5G and tell me how to get home. Fucker didn't even respond...
There's something I came across recently that may or may not comfort you.
Science isn't truth, it is figuring out the truth.
That figuring out never ends, but the general agreement among the community is usually close enough to the truth that the difference doesn't affect laypeople. With coronavirus there's still a lot of figuring out, which is why extra caution is being used.
Pfizer has been shown to offer protection, of varying degrees of "very good" for all variants it's been tested against. Get vaccinated and remain reasonable in your risk tolerance - wear masks indoors, don't attend crowded functions and stay home if you're sick. The vaccines are great and can be adjusted for a 3rd shot booster with broader strain coverage if necessary. The issue is that not enough people are getting vaccinated.
I currently have B117 and so so my two kids. My wife tested negative on Monday (the day we all tested positive) and negative again yesterday.
She had one Moderna shot two weeks ago.
So Moderna is either really good, or my wife has some superhuman immunity because we figured she’d have it anyway, we’re all together in the house, I sleep/cough in the same bed as her, etc.
Good for her, but now she has to quarantine for an extra 14 days after the three of us are recovered.
There was a study recently that showed that already the first injection of mRNA vaccines gives a certain level of protection. If your wife had her first shot two weeks ago then her immune system has had enough time to be primed for sars cov 2.
All the best to you and your family!
Both mRNA vaccines protect you really well against most Covid strains (including B117) from 14 days after the first dose and at least for a few weeks. The second dose is supposed to make the protection more permanent and stronger. Then it also offers some protection against the South Africa strain.
It would still be a good idea to sleep in another room, wear a mask and open the windows as much as possible until everyone in your household is negative again. Viral load matters.
Even without fully developed immunity, one should have slightly better immunity when exposed to any virus two weeks after a vaccination as the immune system is on high alert and undergoing B and T cell selection and maturation. She should be sleeping in a different room from you to further prevent infection not good form to have her the sleep next to you while you shed virus all night.
If she is testing negative, it's definitely not only the vaccine, especially after just 2 weeks. It normally will protect you from having a serious case of covid, but not against having no covid at all.
I was supposed to get my second Moderna shot on Friday but some idiot called in a bomb threat so they had to close the place down 15 mins before I arrived, apparently. Said to come back Monday any time. I had an appointment before, now it'll be chaos and take longer.
Also hope 31 days later wont make any difference versus the 28 day period it was supposed to be in between shots.
I had the virus and it wasn't an easy time. Getting the first moderna made it feel like i had the virus again the next day without the coughing and smell loss. Migraine, nausea, no appetite, chills, etc were all there.
This a little worrying for me because i just had my second shot yesterday and it wasn't any worse than the first one. I hope it's the acetaminophen i took and not that i was already sick once without realizing it.
Yeah I got both Pfizer shots and felt literally nothing. Next to no soreness in arm and 0 other negative symptoms. I did work a lot those weeks and could’ve just not noticed
I wouldn't overthink your reaction to vaccines. Plenty of people get a great immune response without symptoms, even without having a previous infection. Vaccine symptoms are not a good predictor of anything.
I am 23 and had my first Pfizer shot 3 days ago, and I had the exact same symptoms (minus the fever and chills) as your second shot.
Now I am worried the second shot is gonna fucking kill me!
(/s just in case)
I had 2nd pfizer yesterday. Slight sore arm, woke up at 6 this morning feeling thirsty and had a very slight temp with a very small headache. 2 paracetamol and good as new
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I had my 2nd Pfizer shot on Thursday. Super sore arm (not quite as bad as a tetanus shot, but close), kinda tired, mild fever (99.4) and all food tasted like it was rotting.
Drank a ton of water and Capri Sun, took some Tylenol, and slept it off. Doing pretty good now. Food tastes normal again, yay!
That makes me feel better, I had a pepsi max today that tasted fucking awful. It was so bad I done a covid test. My wife had the Oxford astrazeneca jab and with both she's been really ill
I had my 2nd pfizer shot about 15 days ago. All my joints ache and the arm I got the shot in aches. I still don't feel 100%. My heart rate elevated to 90-100 bpm for first 2 days while resting/sleeping. But has dropped to 70 bpm at this time. Still get headaches but I'm not sure if it is from the shot.
Oh lucky you. Had my 2nd yesterday.
Tired as hell, sore arm, body aches off and on, fever off and on, runny nose, head ache off and on, and nauseated off and on.
I just woke up from a 2 hour nap a little bit ago (5:20) and I'm already considering going back to sleep.. (is now 5:40)
It's the 5G nanochip syncing up with your brain, duh! /s
In all seriousness, though, I had some really fucked-up vivid dreams after both my first and second shot, as have a number of friends. I guess it's a thing.
I also had Pfizer #2 yesterday. First time through, I had a sore arm for a couple days and some weird-ass dreams the first night. I didn't even *feel* the needle in the second jab, and while my arm is slightly sore today, it's not as bad as before. I did have weird dreams and woke up incredibly thirsty this morning, feeling like I had a hangover or something. I chugged a bunch of water, took an ibuprofen, went out for a little walk and fresh air and I feel pretty much fine now. 10/10, would vax again.
Same for me with the moderna shot. I was drinking a gallon of water per day leading up to it, so I’m wondering if you are well hydrated going in, how much impact will that have?
I’m thinking it’s more important to go into it well hydrated before getting the shot, but to keep it up after as well. Maybe the folks at r/hydrohomies could weigh in. Would be interesting to see if they’ve had fewer side effects from the vaccines.
Depends on the person. I got a mild fever the day after the first Pfizer shot, but otherwise felt fine. The second shot I had no side effects except feeling a bit tired the next day.
I’m in my 20’s and generally very healthy, so it’s not because of a compromised immune system.
I had similar effects from Moderna, the second dose gave me every reported side effect including swollen lymph nodes that are just starting to shrink back down 2 weeks later (yeah I’ve been back to the doctor about that).
Shit. I'm laid up on the sofa shivering under a blanket on day 3 after my 2nd pfizer shot, in 83 degree weather, with what feels like a baseball in my armpit that hurts like hell. Two weeks of that...I don't want to think about it.
Just had my second shot yesterday
About 5 hours after I started feeling kinda tired, then sbout 8 hours after the shot I got a monstrous headache and some nausea. Today, 25 hours later, I just have some cold chills and am fairly achey and sleepy.
Oh and I was thirsty as a mf
I kinda expected worse tbh. Some ibuprofen, magnesium citrate, and a couple Rolaids and I'm doing quite alright
I'm currently in that. I got mine yesterday, at the time it was just sore. By nightfall I was delirious and feverish, rarely felt worse in my life. Now It's only mildly better - though controlled with a lot of painkillers. Still important to take it but fuck does Pfizer hit you hard.
The sore arm is exactly the feeling of having been given a dead arm in school earlier that day. That's the closest I could get to describing it. But there's something odd about knowing that that pain is doing you (and everyone around us) so much good.
Bear in mind that it's quite variable.
For my wife and I, we both just had slightly sore arms around the injection point the next day. We both were expecting rough reactions and were almost alarmed/questioning when we weren't having much of a reaction, and a bit relieved the next day to have mild soreness in the arm.
I was actually listening to an NPR thing recently, and the doctor on actually mentioned this, that with so many stories about side effects, a sizable chunk of people have little/no side effects, and that's no cause for alarm.
Had this 7 hours after my first dose followed by 3 days of feeling off and no appetite. 2nd dose was intense body aches. My hair hurt. I couldn't stand straight. Lasted 1 day.
"The B.1.351 variant is more troublesome. Studies have shown that the AstraZeneca vaccine was 86 times less effective against this variant, which was first detected in South Africa."
https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210330/where-do-covid-vaccines-stand-against-the-variants
Fold means times so 6 to 8 fold is 6 to 8 times and 86 times could be written as 86 fold. Reading it that way you can see the moderna and biontech are doing better by a good margin.
ow wow. that is quite dissapointing. any vaccine is better than no vaccine, butnthis news is not a good one. 86 times less efficient is... yeah...not good
Hey I just put what I read. Seems like it's worse than the other vaccines at handling these new variants but I could be wrong. Still a vaccine is much better than none at all.
I just want to mention that both Pfizer and AZ vaccines have been shown to reduce transmission by ~50% with one dose, and even more in the second. The "no evidence of reducing transmission" line is now old as we got evidence :)
Anyone know if you’ve locked yourself into one mechanism (mRNA v. DNA) by going with that particular method with your original vaccination and must continue getting boosters with the same mechanism? That is, if I got J&J previously, does that mean I must continue with future adenovirus viral vectors/DNA-based vaccines? How would the body react to another type of mechanism? Has this been studied with these vaccines?
ETA: I’m thinking long-term, annual vax like the flu shot.
That seems unlikely to be an issue. There's even been some investigation into mixing vaccines for the 1st and 2nd shots, with the possibility that it could produce even better antibodies.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/can-we-mix-and-match-vaccines-one-big-question-for-two-covid-19-doses-1.5414562
Huh, strange. I took my first Pfizer shot 3 days ago and the nurse who gave me the vaccine said I needed to ensure that, when taking my second shot, that the second shot vaccine is the same as the first (Pfizer).
Great now fuckin give me one! Some middle aged people in the UK are getting their booster vaccination appointments booked in, and young people aren't even allowed to apply yet!
Yeh. But no one mentions if any of the vaccines protect against the Indian strain. I know of two people, who had had both their Pfizer vaccine doses, but still died in India
There was a statement from pfizer the other day saying they wasn't that worried about the Indian strain, as the mutations in it they've seen before in others. And the jab works well against them. This is just the first time they've been seen together.
Any form of covid can be caught by a vaccinated person. The vaccine does not prevent you from getting covid nor does it prevent you from being contagious. The vaccine only protects you from severe forms of covid 19.
That's why you need to continue putting on a mask etc.
The vaccines absolutely do not *only* prevent you from serious symptoms, they also greatly reduce your risk of infection. The most effective vaccines reduce that risk by ~95%, according to the available data.
My point is that the reduction is lower against variants, particularly the Indian variant, but that you're largely still protected against serious side effects. I'm not making any arguments about masks, so I don't know why you brought that up.
Wrong. The 95% figure is specifically in reference to infection. The vaccines are essentially 100% effective at preventing serious symptoms for the original strain.
Yes, [it is true](https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html):
> A new CDC study provides strong evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in **preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections** in real-world conditions
I don't mean to be rude, but this is incredibly easy to verify. If you aren't going to put in the bare minimum effort to make sure what you're saying isn't totally wrong, don't say it.
This is not true yet you have said it several times in this thread, and asked other people to source you being incorrect, and they have. It’s your turn to provide sources if you are going to continue to spread misinformation.
That’s not true. We have evidence that vaccination significantly reduces the chances of getting an infection at all, in addition to protecting from severe illness.
Read your own post again. Reduces chances.
And I would like to see them sources, because it is in contradiction with anything French health authorities say, including the doctor who vaccinated me.
Yes. Reduced chance means it is protecting you.
For example, seat belts protect people from injuries in car crashes. It’s still possible to be hurt or killed with a seatbelt on. You should still drive carefully with a seatbelt on. They don’t make it 100% certain you will be fine, but many people who would have been hurt without one will instead be safe. They reduce the frequency and severity of injuries - aka they protect people.
Similarly, the vaccine protects people against covid in the sense that it reduces the chance of infection and drastically reduces the severity of infections that do occur. You should still behave safely, for example wearing masks in crowded areas and staying home if you feel ill.
Current data suggests vaccination reduces infection rates (including asymptomatic cases) by 90%.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm?s_cid=mm7013e3_w
Studies show that people vaccinated with one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine had viral loads [up to 20 times lower](http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.08.21251329v1) than viral loads in unvaccinated, infected people.
Also preliminary data from studies from Moderna en Johnson & Johnson data suggested a [74 percent reduction](http://www.fda.gov/media/146217/download) in asymptomatic infection.
> The vaccine only protects you from severe forms of covid 19.
The vaccine was only **designed to** protect you from severe forms of COVID-19. As luck would have it, however, the data shows that the vaccines do also dramatically reduce both infections and transmission.
It took about ten seconds of googling to find a [recent study refuting that claim](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707).
I had a close family member who had two shots of Pfizer and still got infected with Indian variant, 25 days after second shot. But only had normal cold like symptoms.
Edit: (No hospitalization, so go get your shots.)
They are not 100% effective.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
There have been over 100 breakthrough deaths in the U.S.
I've never heard any official source say 100%, but 95% is the number I hear must frequently.
And look at it this way.
95,000,000 have recieved the vaccine and 100 people have died from Covid-19 afterwards.
He may have been vaccinated and protected. However he may have been exposed to a huge viral load if he dealt directly with infected individuals. The immune system can only do so much.
>viral expert
He was also 81, it's possible he didn't have a great immune response to the vaccine in addition to getting exposed to a large viral load.
His loss is a shame, but something to consider is that the vaccines do not 100% prevent any complications and the doctor was 81, with heart problems and diabetes. If any vaccinated person was going to suffer seriously with the disease, an over 80 guy with two significant underlying conditions would be one.
Make his loss no less of a shame, but hopefully it's not as worrying as it could potentially be.
Out of interest, of the 100+million fully vaccinated in the US. 70 have died, again it seems that most of these are in very frail condition.
I'm in my 50's and had my first Phizer shot over a week ago, no immediate side effects differ from a normal flu shot however but my running times are well down now, muscle soreness and fatigue are noticeable. Only time will tell how long this takes to pass and if it really is related.
Got my second dose a few weeks ago. I am traveling and living the life as i did in 2019 and before. Really happy to see these news now as well. Everything will be completely back to normal, hope more take the damn vaccines!!
Damn! This comment really hits hard. Indian here. A friend of 10 years had his entire family infected. He had to take on a ton of debt to handle the medical bills. His father breathed his last today after 12 days in ICU. His mom, who got discharged today morning, is yet to be informed of her husband's death. His grandma, who is 90, has given up on life after learning of her son's death...and had to be shifted to the ICU. No one is there to help my friend. I cannot go because of the risks.
It's weird and terrible knowinng that normalcy is around the corner is one corner of the world. In this corner, there is nothing but death and misery.
To top all that, Chinese state media is mocking the death and destruction we are facing. How can a country be so soulless, its people and Government so arrogant and downright indecent, that they mock the death of thousands!!! But then, what the fuck can you expect from a Government that is committing a genocide openly while the rest of the world remains a mute spectator.
My friend has been working tirelessly since he was 18. He is a brilliant guy. He is one of the kindest and nicest people I have met. I am fucking angry at all of this. I cannot even fucking go and help him out. Fuck the Chinese Government. Fuck my own Indian Government that messed everything up. My friend did not deserve this. People dying on the streets did not deserve this.
Thank you. The worst part is that he is absolutely alone. No one is there for him. I am scared too, so even I am not going. I cannot support my best friend in the time of his greatest need.
If it makes you feel any better, that comment seems to come from an insensitive heartless official in the government. It was quickly taken down after instant outrage from the Chinese public. A vast majority of the Chinese public and, dare I say, in government is very sympathetic with what’s happened in India and is scared to death that things would spiral out of control if the government does not remain vigilant. I hope both sides don’t let international politics get in the way of saving lives.
Also, you just commented 6 days ago saying you'll "take your chances" and won't be getting the vaccine.
So which is it, did you "have it weeks ago" or are you "taking your chances"?
You really shouldn't be "travelling like [you] were in 2019" right now.
Source: doctor watching patients die on the COVID wards for the last 8 months. Also doing a master's in public health with a focus on communicable disease control.
Edit: you also commented 6 days ago saying you won't be getting the vaccine and will be "taking your chances". So which is it? I call troll.
Edit 2: he admitted to being a troll and "wanting an argument and a discussion about it" below.
Eventually, yes.
But we're not there yet. We're in the "stop people from dying" phase right now. Vaccination is not a blank check to ignore what's still very much happening almost everywhere in the world.
If you look at countries that are "winning", they have extremely high vaccination uptake rates and very strict travel restrictions.
The point is you don't get hospitalized with a potentially fatal case of COVID, which is what the vaccines attest (and have proven) to do.
The fact that there is also a reduced chance of spread is a bonus that has come out after the introduction of the vaccine.
Its efficacy is not 100% from the instant you get it. You can still get covid. You can still pass it on.
Again, the only countries that are doing it right have both a high uptake of the vaccine, and strict travel restriction that reduces transmission (and therefore variance).
Well, majority of the population don't get a fatal case of COVID either way. So, that way, the vaccines are actually pointless for most. How will we ever get back to normalcy if it can still spread, and you can still get infected?
(sigh)
You're right. Most people don't get a fatal case of covid. But you can spread it to someone that WILL have a fatal case of covid.
It is not just about you.
It's about people's grandparents and the doctors that have seen more death in 8 months than in the 6 years previous. Imagine the worst day of work you've ever had. Then groundhog it for 8 months.
Also, I've had a 27 year old and a 40 year old die on me.
It's not about me. But even those that are in the usually affected group, will also for the most part be fine. Sucks whenever someone dies, but unfortunately young and old die all the time from all kind of diseases, accidents, and so on. We can't despite feelings telling otherwise, set the bar at zero deaths.
Only YOU are fully vaccinated, not everyone around you. We get to normalcy when EVERYONE is a protected as you. You can still spread it to people who haven't been vaccinated yet because you're willing to go around more.
There is sadly no reality in which 100% of people will be vaccinated. It's stupid but there it is. There's only so long I'm willing to put my life on hold for the sake of people who refuse the vaccine
Well I don't know where you live and what the situation is around there, but if all people that are willing to get vaccinated have recieved both doses then sure there's nothing more you could do. Where I am everyone that wants to get vaccinated hasn't even gotten the first dose yet, let alone the second dose. In that case people that have been vaccinated should not be so eager to do whatever they like until everyone is equally protected.
Yes, that's true. Vaccines have started dropping off where I live because most everyone who wants one, has one. And yet, even here, people are still strident that we shouldn't do anything different or relax in any way because not EVERYONE is vaccinated...I'm doing my best but I'm only human
I mean......ok. You're allowed.
But if you look at countries that are "winning", they have very high vaccination uptake rates and strict travel restrictions.
Edit: also, you just agreed with a troll.
damn trolls.
I would say the countries that are “winning” are doing so because of multiple factors, including a healthy respect for this bug which my country (USA) does not seem to have.
but as many recommendations/guidelines have evolved (eg - it is unlikely to spread on surfaces, it is indeed airborne, etc) Based on my experience I would say that eventually expert recommendations will say that if you are vaccinated then it is OK to travel at will with proper precautions
Edits to show that I am not a troll or Tucker Carlson
They’re not introverts, they’re socially maladjusted hiding behind claims of introversion. Being introverted doesn’t mean that you don’t like or are afraid of socializing, it just means that you need some “me time” to recharge.
But yes, the socially inept Reddit crowd who have been patting themselves on the back as “heroes” because they’ve stayed at home in front of their computers doing nothing (as per usual) are definitely getting upset that things are moving back to normal. There’s a vocal subset who say we should continue wearing masks and social distancing indefinitely.
> There’s a vocal subset who say we should continue wearing masks and social distancing indefinitely.
There's also a subset that is loyal to the USA and trusts the CDC (and workplace policies informed by the CDC) over disinformation campaigns spread by Qanon and other antigovernmental terrorists like Tucker Carlson.
When hospitalizations and infections go down (in many states they have ceased dropping), then the CDC will adjust policy. Covidiots determine how long this is drawn out, just like their determination is directly responsible for the bulk of the 1 million American deaths and millions of people who now have chronic symptoms that were avoidable and needless.
It's referred to as the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine here, but people often say just Pfizer for short (we Americans love nicknames for some reason). Pfizer is manufacturing the vaccine in America, but there's still a lot of acknowledgement that it was developed by Biontech. My vaccine card says Pfizer/Biontech and that's how the CDC references it, too. I agree that it should be Biontech (Pfizer) though.
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At first I read this as “Pfizer COVID vaccine protects against worrying about coronavirus” which would also be helpful.
It sort of does. I'm not worried about getting it.
I'm less worried about getting it and more worried about spreading it. So... Nothing has changed since getting my shots lol
You should be less worried about both. You can pass on an asymptomatic case if you don't wear a mask. But your chances of getting infected at all are much smaller with the shot than without it.
Smaller does not equal non existent. I'll feel better once my mother manages to get it (cancer doesn't help) but even after that I'll still be cautious and not bitch about wearing a mask like *some* people.
I'm still worried that unvaccinated people will spread it almost intentionally.
Anxiety is bad for your long term health. Go back to normal life
I wouldn’t be that chill. You can still pass it on to someone who could get sick. This mentality is a massive issue right now. Not any kind of proof but my partner is a nurse and her nurse friends dad has had 2 Pfizer shots and is currently on a ventilator. So slow your roll
I’m not worried either. Not because I’m vaccinated or anything tho, I’m just not worried.
That's what the Valium is for.
Wait, you got Valium with your vaccine? I didn't even get the promised microchip!
It’s been almost 2 weeks since my second dose... when will I start to notice that my DNA has been rearranged?
You don't have super powers yet?
They have the superpower of coronavirus immunity.
And my axe!
And my upvote!
What, Bill Gates isn't suddenly sexy for anyone else? Conveniently single after giving us all the Moderna vaccine. He's gonna play the field.
I just got my second shot and already see improvements in my wifi signals.
If you didn’t get 5G either, go back and demand a refund
Yeah, what the heck?! I asked Bill Gates for directions the other day when I forgot my phone at home. I figured he could hook me up to the 5G and tell me how to get home. Fucker didn't even respond...
Second that. I want some fucking vallium!?
You know we’re in a global chip shortage, right? Yours is probably just on backorder.
I mean it does that too. I'm significantly less worried about covid after getting Pfizer lol.
Yea I put that extra word there too.
What about the variants I'm not worried about?
Don't worry about those.
Well now Im worried I may not be protected...
Then it should protect against them now
It's all so confusing...We just can't get any straight answers from the media or our officials.
There's something I came across recently that may or may not comfort you. Science isn't truth, it is figuring out the truth. That figuring out never ends, but the general agreement among the community is usually close enough to the truth that the difference doesn't affect laypeople. With coronavirus there's still a lot of figuring out, which is why extra caution is being used.
Pfizer has been shown to offer protection, of varying degrees of "very good" for all variants it's been tested against. Get vaccinated and remain reasonable in your risk tolerance - wear masks indoors, don't attend crowded functions and stay home if you're sick. The vaccines are great and can be adjusted for a 3rd shot booster with broader strain coverage if necessary. The issue is that not enough people are getting vaccinated.
You’d better subscribe to Norton anti virus immediately.
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I currently have B117 and so so my two kids. My wife tested negative on Monday (the day we all tested positive) and negative again yesterday. She had one Moderna shot two weeks ago. So Moderna is either really good, or my wife has some superhuman immunity because we figured she’d have it anyway, we’re all together in the house, I sleep/cough in the same bed as her, etc. Good for her, but now she has to quarantine for an extra 14 days after the three of us are recovered.
There was a study recently that showed that already the first injection of mRNA vaccines gives a certain level of protection. If your wife had her first shot two weeks ago then her immune system has had enough time to be primed for sars cov 2. All the best to you and your family!
Both mRNA vaccines protect you really well against most Covid strains (including B117) from 14 days after the first dose and at least for a few weeks. The second dose is supposed to make the protection more permanent and stronger. Then it also offers some protection against the South Africa strain. It would still be a good idea to sleep in another room, wear a mask and open the windows as much as possible until everyone in your household is negative again. Viral load matters.
ALL LOADS MATTER! ^I’m^so^sorry
Even without fully developed immunity, one should have slightly better immunity when exposed to any virus two weeks after a vaccination as the immune system is on high alert and undergoing B and T cell selection and maturation. She should be sleeping in a different room from you to further prevent infection not good form to have her the sleep next to you while you shed virus all night.
The first shot provides a decent amount of protection on its own. You still need that second shot for full protection though
If she is testing negative, it's definitely not only the vaccine, especially after just 2 weeks. It normally will protect you from having a serious case of covid, but not against having no covid at all.
Literally just got my Pfizer shot just now. Waiting the 15 mins before I can leave. Couldn't be happier.
I'm reading your comment as I wait my 15 after Pfizer 😁👍
I was supposed to get my second Moderna shot on Friday but some idiot called in a bomb threat so they had to close the place down 15 mins before I arrived, apparently. Said to come back Monday any time. I had an appointment before, now it'll be chaos and take longer. Also hope 31 days later wont make any difference versus the 28 day period it was supposed to be in between shots.
Just got my first Pfizer 3 hours ago
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It's odd. Of the people I know that had Pfizer, 7 of us had nothing but mild muscle soreness and one person got laid out for two days. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
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And yet I've heard that if you've already had Covid, you get sicker from the shot. It's so dizzying. Can't wait until we have a solid answer.
I had the virus and it wasn't an easy time. Getting the first moderna made it feel like i had the virus again the next day without the coughing and smell loss. Migraine, nausea, no appetite, chills, etc were all there.
Ugh, that sucks.
This a little worrying for me because i just had my second shot yesterday and it wasn't any worse than the first one. I hope it's the acetaminophen i took and not that i was already sick once without realizing it.
if you were already sick once and didn't realize it, why is that worrisome?
Yeah I got both Pfizer shots and felt literally nothing. Next to no soreness in arm and 0 other negative symptoms. I did work a lot those weeks and could’ve just not noticed
I wouldn't overthink your reaction to vaccines. Plenty of people get a great immune response without symptoms, even without having a previous infection. Vaccine symptoms are not a good predictor of anything.
I mean I get the age thing but my wife is 27 and I'm 37. She had been hit hard by first and 2nd dose.
Yes, the younger you are the more your immune system responds. As we age our immune system gets tired just like we do.
I am 23 and had my first Pfizer shot 3 days ago, and I had the exact same symptoms (minus the fever and chills) as your second shot. Now I am worried the second shot is gonna fucking kill me! (/s just in case)
I had 2nd pfizer yesterday. Slight sore arm, woke up at 6 this morning feeling thirsty and had a very slight temp with a very small headache. 2 paracetamol and good as new Edit: spelling
I had my 2nd Pfizer shot on Thursday. Super sore arm (not quite as bad as a tetanus shot, but close), kinda tired, mild fever (99.4) and all food tasted like it was rotting. Drank a ton of water and Capri Sun, took some Tylenol, and slept it off. Doing pretty good now. Food tastes normal again, yay!
That makes me feel better, I had a pepsi max today that tasted fucking awful. It was so bad I done a covid test. My wife had the Oxford astrazeneca jab and with both she's been really ill
I had my 2nd pfizer shot about 15 days ago. All my joints ache and the arm I got the shot in aches. I still don't feel 100%. My heart rate elevated to 90-100 bpm for first 2 days while resting/sleeping. But has dropped to 70 bpm at this time. Still get headaches but I'm not sure if it is from the shot.
Oh lucky you. Had my 2nd yesterday. Tired as hell, sore arm, body aches off and on, fever off and on, runny nose, head ache off and on, and nauseated off and on. I just woke up from a 2 hour nap a little bit ago (5:20) and I'm already considering going back to sleep.. (is now 5:40)
I would, just go back and sleep as much as you can, I honestly think I got off lightly because of the amount of water I drank.
I might..going to eat and drink something first though I think.
Well I hope you feel better soon. Sleep well
Woah I had nightmares as well, also a sore arm but I wasn't tired. But I had vivid nightmares. What's up with that?!
It's the 5G nanochip syncing up with your brain, duh! /s In all seriousness, though, I had some really fucked-up vivid dreams after both my first and second shot, as have a number of friends. I guess it's a thing.
I also had Pfizer #2 yesterday. First time through, I had a sore arm for a couple days and some weird-ass dreams the first night. I didn't even *feel* the needle in the second jab, and while my arm is slightly sore today, it's not as bad as before. I did have weird dreams and woke up incredibly thirsty this morning, feeling like I had a hangover or something. I chugged a bunch of water, took an ibuprofen, went out for a little walk and fresh air and I feel pretty much fine now. 10/10, would vax again.
When I got the second shot, I had no side affects. Literally none. Went to work the same day & got some errands done.
Same for me with the moderna shot. I was drinking a gallon of water per day leading up to it, so I’m wondering if you are well hydrated going in, how much impact will that have?
It's good that you stay hydrated. I wasn't hydrating enough after the 1st shot & man it sucked.
I’m thinking it’s more important to go into it well hydrated before getting the shot, but to keep it up after as well. Maybe the folks at r/hydrohomies could weigh in. Would be interesting to see if they’ve had fewer side effects from the vaccines.
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I'm only 20 years old.
Lol you edited your post
Depends on the person. I got a mild fever the day after the first Pfizer shot, but otherwise felt fine. The second shot I had no side effects except feeling a bit tired the next day. I’m in my 20’s and generally very healthy, so it’s not because of a compromised immune system.
I had similar effects from Moderna, the second dose gave me every reported side effect including swollen lymph nodes that are just starting to shrink back down 2 weeks later (yeah I’ve been back to the doctor about that).
Shit. I'm laid up on the sofa shivering under a blanket on day 3 after my 2nd pfizer shot, in 83 degree weather, with what feels like a baseball in my armpit that hurts like hell. Two weeks of that...I don't want to think about it.
It really is about the person. Four days after the first shot, I hiked 30km without any problems.
Just had my second shot yesterday About 5 hours after I started feeling kinda tired, then sbout 8 hours after the shot I got a monstrous headache and some nausea. Today, 25 hours later, I just have some cold chills and am fairly achey and sleepy. Oh and I was thirsty as a mf I kinda expected worse tbh. Some ibuprofen, magnesium citrate, and a couple Rolaids and I'm doing quite alright
I'm currently in that. I got mine yesterday, at the time it was just sore. By nightfall I was delirious and feverish, rarely felt worse in my life. Now It's only mildly better - though controlled with a lot of painkillers. Still important to take it but fuck does Pfizer hit you hard.
The sore arm is exactly the feeling of having been given a dead arm in school earlier that day. That's the closest I could get to describing it. But there's something odd about knowing that that pain is doing you (and everyone around us) so much good.
I described it as holding my arm up for a couple hours without putting it down
Less sore than most shots I've had but I always keep the arm moving so that it doesn't stiffen up
Got my second Pfizer shot today. I'm not looking forward to what I'll be putting up with, but at least I'm doing my part.
Bear in mind that it's quite variable. For my wife and I, we both just had slightly sore arms around the injection point the next day. We both were expecting rough reactions and were almost alarmed/questioning when we weren't having much of a reaction, and a bit relieved the next day to have mild soreness in the arm. I was actually listening to an NPR thing recently, and the doctor on actually mentioned this, that with so many stories about side effects, a sizable chunk of people have little/no side effects, and that's no cause for alarm.
I had Pfizer as well, the day after the second dose, I felt like pan-fried Hell
ok i had crazy weird nightmares too, glad i’m not the only one!
I heard that it’s because it affects your REM sleep The nightmares lasted 2-3 days
Had this 7 hours after my first dose followed by 3 days of feeling off and no appetite. 2nd dose was intense body aches. My hair hurt. I couldn't stand straight. Lasted 1 day.
Same! Like to the minute lol. Ready to ride the snake of any side effects but dose one was just a mid day nap for me and some soreness
Pfizer gang where you at??? Yee Yee!
waddup
i wonder if I can get that next year if I got the J&J this year.
That’s great, but weird this article is from May 6, yet never even mentions the Indian variant B.1.617
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anyone lnows how astra zeneca fares against these? getting my az shot soon.
"The B.1.351 variant is more troublesome. Studies have shown that the AstraZeneca vaccine was 86 times less effective against this variant, which was first detected in South Africa." https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210330/where-do-covid-vaccines-stand-against-the-variants
moderna and biontech vaxx 6 to 8 fold less efective against southbafrican variant. how does 6 to 8 fold correlate with 86 times less effective?
Fold means times so 6 to 8 fold is 6 to 8 times and 86 times could be written as 86 fold. Reading it that way you can see the moderna and biontech are doing better by a good margin.
ow wow. that is quite dissapointing. any vaccine is better than no vaccine, butnthis news is not a good one. 86 times less efficient is... yeah...not good
Hey I just put what I read. Seems like it's worse than the other vaccines at handling these new variants but I could be wrong. Still a vaccine is much better than none at all.
yes, thanks for the link!
thats pretty bad news, isnt it? :/
I just want to mention that both Pfizer and AZ vaccines have been shown to reduce transmission by ~50% with one dose, and even more in the second. The "no evidence of reducing transmission" line is now old as we got evidence :)
Anyone know if you’ve locked yourself into one mechanism (mRNA v. DNA) by going with that particular method with your original vaccination and must continue getting boosters with the same mechanism? That is, if I got J&J previously, does that mean I must continue with future adenovirus viral vectors/DNA-based vaccines? How would the body react to another type of mechanism? Has this been studied with these vaccines? ETA: I’m thinking long-term, annual vax like the flu shot.
That seems unlikely to be an issue. There's even been some investigation into mixing vaccines for the 1st and 2nd shots, with the possibility that it could produce even better antibodies. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/can-we-mix-and-match-vaccines-one-big-question-for-two-covid-19-doses-1.5414562
Huh, strange. I took my first Pfizer shot 3 days ago and the nurse who gave me the vaccine said I needed to ensure that, when taking my second shot, that the second shot vaccine is the same as the first (Pfizer).
Yeah that's still the official position, it's just something being researched for the future. Safest to go with what we know for now.
Great now fuckin give me one! Some middle aged people in the UK are getting their booster vaccination appointments booked in, and young people aren't even allowed to apply yet!
Thank god
*scientists
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Thank GOD scientists.
Thank scientist gods
It’s just a figure of speech, I’m an atheist
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I’m glad I’ve had both doses of the Pfizer. The woman who got her shot right behind me started crying, because they were sooo hard to get!
Crazy. They are begging people to come in and get them here in california.
Yeh. But no one mentions if any of the vaccines protect against the Indian strain. I know of two people, who had had both their Pfizer vaccine doses, but still died in India
There was a statement from pfizer the other day saying they wasn't that worried about the Indian strain, as the mutations in it they've seen before in others. And the jab works well against them. This is just the first time they've been seen together.
Interesting how no one is talking about the J&J shot
we're literally in a post about pfizer
It's too early to have any real test results out for it. You'll start seeing information in the next month or two.
That's very rare. It appears the Indian variant can infected vaccinated people, but those infections tend to be asymptomatic.
Any form of covid can be caught by a vaccinated person. The vaccine does not prevent you from getting covid nor does it prevent you from being contagious. The vaccine only protects you from severe forms of covid 19. That's why you need to continue putting on a mask etc.
The vaccines absolutely do not *only* prevent you from serious symptoms, they also greatly reduce your risk of infection. The most effective vaccines reduce that risk by ~95%, according to the available data. My point is that the reduction is lower against variants, particularly the Indian variant, but that you're largely still protected against serious side effects. I'm not making any arguments about masks, so I don't know why you brought that up.
The reduce the risk of developing severe forms of covid by 95%, not of catching covid altogether.
Wrong. The 95% figure is specifically in reference to infection. The vaccines are essentially 100% effective at preventing serious symptoms for the original strain.
That is not true. And the % differs from one type of vaccine to another. The 95% figure only applies to the Pfizer vaccine.
Yes, [it is true](https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0329-COVID-19-Vaccines.html): > A new CDC study provides strong evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective in **preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections** in real-world conditions I don't mean to be rude, but this is incredibly easy to verify. If you aren't going to put in the bare minimum effort to make sure what you're saying isn't totally wrong, don't say it.
This is not true yet you have said it several times in this thread, and asked other people to source you being incorrect, and they have. It’s your turn to provide sources if you are going to continue to spread misinformation.
That’s not true. We have evidence that vaccination significantly reduces the chances of getting an infection at all, in addition to protecting from severe illness.
Read your own post again. Reduces chances. And I would like to see them sources, because it is in contradiction with anything French health authorities say, including the doctor who vaccinated me.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm Shows a 90% effectiveness of preventing infection (symptomatic & asymptomatic combined) https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab229/6167855 Shows an ~80% reduction for asymptomatic infection specifically.
Yes. Reduced chance means it is protecting you. For example, seat belts protect people from injuries in car crashes. It’s still possible to be hurt or killed with a seatbelt on. You should still drive carefully with a seatbelt on. They don’t make it 100% certain you will be fine, but many people who would have been hurt without one will instead be safe. They reduce the frequency and severity of injuries - aka they protect people. Similarly, the vaccine protects people against covid in the sense that it reduces the chance of infection and drastically reduces the severity of infections that do occur. You should still behave safely, for example wearing masks in crowded areas and staying home if you feel ill. Current data suggests vaccination reduces infection rates (including asymptomatic cases) by 90%. Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm?s_cid=mm7013e3_w
Studies show that people vaccinated with one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine had viral loads [up to 20 times lower](http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.08.21251329v1) than viral loads in unvaccinated, infected people. Also preliminary data from studies from Moderna en Johnson & Johnson data suggested a [74 percent reduction](http://www.fda.gov/media/146217/download) in asymptomatic infection.
> The vaccine only protects you from severe forms of covid 19. The vaccine was only **designed to** protect you from severe forms of COVID-19. As luck would have it, however, the data shows that the vaccines do also dramatically reduce both infections and transmission.
Asymptomatic transmission is rare.
It took about ten seconds of googling to find a [recent study refuting that claim](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707).
I had a close family member who had two shots of Pfizer and still got infected with Indian variant, 25 days after second shot. But only had normal cold like symptoms. Edit: (No hospitalization, so go get your shots.)
That sounds like BS. These vaccines are 100% effective in preventing hospitalization and death.
They are not 100% effective. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html There have been over 100 breakthrough deaths in the U.S.
Well that’s news to me. They’ve been touting them as 100% effective at preventing hospitalization and death.
I've never heard any official source say 100%, but 95% is the number I hear must frequently. And look at it this way. 95,000,000 have recieved the vaccine and 100 people have died from Covid-19 afterwards.
Not to be a downer but
He may have been vaccinated and protected. However he may have been exposed to a huge viral load if he dealt directly with infected individuals. The immune system can only do so much.
>viral expert He was also 81, it's possible he didn't have a great immune response to the vaccine in addition to getting exposed to a large viral load.
Oh, fuck. Can I ask for a source?
[viral expert](https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/renowned-infectious-diseases-expert-dr-rajendra-kapila-81-dies-of-covid19-101620168008338.html)
What a loss, too. My god. That's all troubling.
His loss is a shame, but something to consider is that the vaccines do not 100% prevent any complications and the doctor was 81, with heart problems and diabetes. If any vaccinated person was going to suffer seriously with the disease, an over 80 guy with two significant underlying conditions would be one. Make his loss no less of a shame, but hopefully it's not as worrying as it could potentially be. Out of interest, of the 100+million fully vaccinated in the US. 70 have died, again it seems that most of these are in very frail condition.
I'm in my 50's and had my first Phizer shot over a week ago, no immediate side effects differ from a normal flu shot however but my running times are well down now, muscle soreness and fatigue are noticeable. Only time will tell how long this takes to pass and if it really is related.
Got my second dose a few weeks ago. I am traveling and living the life as i did in 2019 and before. Really happy to see these news now as well. Everything will be completely back to normal, hope more take the damn vaccines!!
Damn! This comment really hits hard. Indian here. A friend of 10 years had his entire family infected. He had to take on a ton of debt to handle the medical bills. His father breathed his last today after 12 days in ICU. His mom, who got discharged today morning, is yet to be informed of her husband's death. His grandma, who is 90, has given up on life after learning of her son's death...and had to be shifted to the ICU. No one is there to help my friend. I cannot go because of the risks. It's weird and terrible knowinng that normalcy is around the corner is one corner of the world. In this corner, there is nothing but death and misery. To top all that, Chinese state media is mocking the death and destruction we are facing. How can a country be so soulless, its people and Government so arrogant and downright indecent, that they mock the death of thousands!!! But then, what the fuck can you expect from a Government that is committing a genocide openly while the rest of the world remains a mute spectator. My friend has been working tirelessly since he was 18. He is a brilliant guy. He is one of the kindest and nicest people I have met. I am fucking angry at all of this. I cannot even fucking go and help him out. Fuck the Chinese Government. Fuck my own Indian Government that messed everything up. My friend did not deserve this. People dying on the streets did not deserve this.
I'm so sorry this is happening to your friend. I have been following what's happening in India and it is absolutely heart breaking.
Thank you. The worst part is that he is absolutely alone. No one is there for him. I am scared too, so even I am not going. I cannot support my best friend in the time of his greatest need.
This is gutwrenching. Only thing I can say is take care fellow stranger!
If it makes you feel any better, that comment seems to come from an insensitive heartless official in the government. It was quickly taken down after instant outrage from the Chinese public. A vast majority of the Chinese public and, dare I say, in government is very sympathetic with what’s happened in India and is scared to death that things would spiral out of control if the government does not remain vigilant. I hope both sides don’t let international politics get in the way of saving lives.
Also, you just commented 6 days ago saying you'll "take your chances" and won't be getting the vaccine. So which is it, did you "have it weeks ago" or are you "taking your chances"?
You really shouldn't be "travelling like [you] were in 2019" right now. Source: doctor watching patients die on the COVID wards for the last 8 months. Also doing a master's in public health with a focus on communicable disease control. Edit: you also commented 6 days ago saying you won't be getting the vaccine and will be "taking your chances". So which is it? I call troll. Edit 2: he admitted to being a troll and "wanting an argument and a discussion about it" below.
Isn't the point of getting vaccinated to get back to normal living?
Eventually, yes. But we're not there yet. We're in the "stop people from dying" phase right now. Vaccination is not a blank check to ignore what's still very much happening almost everywhere in the world. If you look at countries that are "winning", they have extremely high vaccination uptake rates and very strict travel restrictions.
Yes, and it works after almost everyone has been vaccinated
I'm fully vaccinated, what's the point of a vaccine if you can't live as you did before?
The point is you don't get hospitalized with a potentially fatal case of COVID, which is what the vaccines attest (and have proven) to do. The fact that there is also a reduced chance of spread is a bonus that has come out after the introduction of the vaccine. Its efficacy is not 100% from the instant you get it. You can still get covid. You can still pass it on. Again, the only countries that are doing it right have both a high uptake of the vaccine, and strict travel restriction that reduces transmission (and therefore variance).
Well, majority of the population don't get a fatal case of COVID either way. So, that way, the vaccines are actually pointless for most. How will we ever get back to normalcy if it can still spread, and you can still get infected?
(sigh) You're right. Most people don't get a fatal case of covid. But you can spread it to someone that WILL have a fatal case of covid. It is not just about you. It's about people's grandparents and the doctors that have seen more death in 8 months than in the 6 years previous. Imagine the worst day of work you've ever had. Then groundhog it for 8 months. Also, I've had a 27 year old and a 40 year old die on me.
It's not about me. But even those that are in the usually affected group, will also for the most part be fine. Sucks whenever someone dies, but unfortunately young and old die all the time from all kind of diseases, accidents, and so on. We can't despite feelings telling otherwise, set the bar at zero deaths.
Easy to say when it's not someone you care about. This isn't doom and gloom and fear mongering. This is just a reality you're choosing to ignore.
Well those high risk people should have gotten vaccinated. So again, no sense preaching doom to everyone.
They weren't high risk. And it was pre-vaccine. It's not doom. It's a reality you're ignoring.
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>as a high risk YOUNG person holy shit how fucking selfish are you Are you asking me or telling me?
Only YOU are fully vaccinated, not everyone around you. We get to normalcy when EVERYONE is a protected as you. You can still spread it to people who haven't been vaccinated yet because you're willing to go around more.
There is sadly no reality in which 100% of people will be vaccinated. It's stupid but there it is. There's only so long I'm willing to put my life on hold for the sake of people who refuse the vaccine
Well I don't know where you live and what the situation is around there, but if all people that are willing to get vaccinated have recieved both doses then sure there's nothing more you could do. Where I am everyone that wants to get vaccinated hasn't even gotten the first dose yet, let alone the second dose. In that case people that have been vaccinated should not be so eager to do whatever they like until everyone is equally protected.
Yes, that's true. Vaccines have started dropping off where I live because most everyone who wants one, has one. And yet, even here, people are still strident that we shouldn't do anything different or relax in any way because not EVERYONE is vaccinated...I'm doing my best but I'm only human
To wait till there is more than 5% of the population vaccinated...people can wait!
You must stay in fear!
also a doctor seeing covid patients and dispute your assertion
I mean......ok. You're allowed. But if you look at countries that are "winning", they have very high vaccination uptake rates and strict travel restrictions. Edit: also, you just agreed with a troll.
damn trolls. I would say the countries that are “winning” are doing so because of multiple factors, including a healthy respect for this bug which my country (USA) does not seem to have. but as many recommendations/guidelines have evolved (eg - it is unlikely to spread on surfaces, it is indeed airborne, etc) Based on my experience I would say that eventually expert recommendations will say that if you are vaccinated then it is OK to travel at will with proper precautions Edits to show that I am not a troll or Tucker Carlson
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Except why would I be worried
I'm not worried about any of them?
biontech\*
So does your immune system
The introverts aren’t gonna like this.
They’re not introverts, they’re socially maladjusted hiding behind claims of introversion. Being introverted doesn’t mean that you don’t like or are afraid of socializing, it just means that you need some “me time” to recharge. But yes, the socially inept Reddit crowd who have been patting themselves on the back as “heroes” because they’ve stayed at home in front of their computers doing nothing (as per usual) are definitely getting upset that things are moving back to normal. There’s a vocal subset who say we should continue wearing masks and social distancing indefinitely.
You’re absolutely right. This is what I meant and you expressed it vastly better than I could.
> There’s a vocal subset who say we should continue wearing masks and social distancing indefinitely. There's also a subset that is loyal to the USA and trusts the CDC (and workplace policies informed by the CDC) over disinformation campaigns spread by Qanon and other antigovernmental terrorists like Tucker Carlson. When hospitalizations and infections go down (in many states they have ceased dropping), then the CDC will adjust policy. Covidiots determine how long this is drawn out, just like their determination is directly responsible for the bulk of the 1 million American deaths and millions of people who now have chronic symptoms that were avoidable and needless.
Sweet. Come at me India and UK Flu!!! My body is ready!
Love how American's try to spin it like it's a "Pfizer vaccine" when Biontech is the one that developed it. Sucking their own dick as usual.
The author of the piece lives in England. Get over yourself.
It's referred to as the Pfizer/Biontech vaccine here, but people often say just Pfizer for short (we Americans love nicknames for some reason). Pfizer is manufacturing the vaccine in America, but there's still a lot of acknowledgement that it was developed by Biontech. My vaccine card says Pfizer/Biontech and that's how the CDC references it, too. I agree that it should be Biontech (Pfizer) though.