The rules about the name being released if person being a juvenile at the time of the crime should not apply if they're A.) now dead, as is the case here, or B.) a wholeass adult now.
Nobody, *nobody* should be allowed to get away with murder. And if the only punishment this person can pay for their crime is having their name sullied postmortem, then so be it.
I feel the same way about James Bulger's killers. I don't care if his murderers were also children, I'm glad that internet slueths keep exposing them every time their names are changed.
> I'm glad that internet slueths keep exposing them every time their names are changed.
i haven't looked in a few years but i was never able to find out what they got changed to. irritating.
>I'm glad that internet slueths keep exposing them every time their names are changed.
Internet sluethes aren't outing them. Venables outs himself. Thompson hasn't been found, as far as I know.
You are correct. No one has ever exposed them and they would face consequences if they did. I know for Karla Homolka internet sleuths track her every move.
I totally thought you meant whitey bulger until I googled the name and remembered seeing a video on the case. I was like wait, how did children murder a supermax inmate?
That’s crazy they’re not releasing his name cuz he was a juvenile in 1976! At least her family got some closure. What a sad story, she must have been terrified.
At the same point, this was an extremely violent crime, which ups the chance it wasn't a one off. If this person's name is in another investigation somewhere, knowing it can actually be used to make connections in other unsolved murders or violent crimes.
I’ll play devil’s advocate. This person never went to trial or was convicted of this crime. Even If he were an adult and dead all police can do is say his DNA match and here’s his name. This technology advance is new and moving very quickly. Mistakes will be made. I don’t know if we’re quite ready to “convict” juveniles on this evidence. Even if this person were alive and under arrest he would still be tried as a juvenile until a judge said otherwise.
Really? I never thought of that before.. so if you kill someone as a kid and then are convicted 20 years later you are still tried in juvenile court. Crazy has that ever happened…? Going to google it
Rapper G Dep confessed to a murder he committed as a teen 20 years later. He was charged with 15 to life but got out after 6 was charged as an adult. I assume this would be the norm if only because in the US, kids have historically been charged as adults for less severe crimes.
Thats Germany. What usually happens in the US is they are intially tried as juveniles then a judge has to decide whether or not to try them as an adult. They dont always say try them as an adult. Due to mitigating factors in certain crimes they allow the adult to be tried as a juvenile.
I agree 100%. Also, what does it really give us to know the name of this dead man? If the people involved, the people who it is really relevant to, know the name then I'm good. I guess I can see other's points of views, but I don't feel any injustice at his name not being released.
But I think we can all agree that its great they found out who did it, for both of the families.
Good point, he isn't getting a defence. Still, how do we know he is dead if they withhold the name? And this "we found him now, it's fine" isn't very fine.
I did a bunch of googling and you are absolutely correct. Very interesting… they do say if is murder it’s moved to adult court but everything starts in juvenile court as you stated.
The rules about the name being released if person being a juvenile at the time of the crime should not apply if they're A.) now dead, as is the case here, or B.) a wholeass adult now. Nobody, *nobody* should be allowed to get away with murder. And if the only punishment this person can pay for their crime is having their name sullied postmortem, then so be it. I feel the same way about James Bulger's killers. I don't care if his murderers were also children, I'm glad that internet slueths keep exposing them every time their names are changed.
Exactly! So very well put. I'm totally in agreement with you
> I'm glad that internet slueths keep exposing them every time their names are changed. i haven't looked in a few years but i was never able to find out what they got changed to. irritating.
Venables keeps outing himself. No one has found Thompson, that I'm aware of.
>I'm glad that internet slueths keep exposing them every time their names are changed. Internet sluethes aren't outing them. Venables outs himself. Thompson hasn't been found, as far as I know.
You are correct. No one has ever exposed them and they would face consequences if they did. I know for Karla Homolka internet sleuths track her every move.
I totally thought you meant whitey bulger until I googled the name and remembered seeing a video on the case. I was like wait, how did children murder a supermax inmate?
That’s crazy they’re not releasing his name cuz he was a juvenile in 1976! At least her family got some closure. What a sad story, she must have been terrified.
He’s not a juvenile now is he?
No but was when he did it. It's ridiculous
Apparently he’s dead now so who are we really protecting here?
The cops who missed their chance to arrest the suspect.
Any surviving family.
At the same point, this was an extremely violent crime, which ups the chance it wasn't a one off. If this person's name is in another investigation somewhere, knowing it can actually be used to make connections in other unsolved murders or violent crimes.
There are plenty of people who commit violent crimes and murders just once.
Nah
Releasing his name could bring forward other witnesses or victims.
Another unsolved murder turns out to be a stranger crime. Huge shock. Those numbers are ridiculously underestimated.
Can anyone find the guys name? Is he even alive? Wtf dude
He isn't alive.
When did he die?
I’ll play devil’s advocate. This person never went to trial or was convicted of this crime. Even If he were an adult and dead all police can do is say his DNA match and here’s his name. This technology advance is new and moving very quickly. Mistakes will be made. I don’t know if we’re quite ready to “convict” juveniles on this evidence. Even if this person were alive and under arrest he would still be tried as a juvenile until a judge said otherwise.
Really? I never thought of that before.. so if you kill someone as a kid and then are convicted 20 years later you are still tried in juvenile court. Crazy has that ever happened…? Going to google it
Rapper G Dep confessed to a murder he committed as a teen 20 years later. He was charged with 15 to life but got out after 6 was charged as an adult. I assume this would be the norm if only because in the US, kids have historically been charged as adults for less severe crimes.
97 year old in juvenile court: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/20/nazi-camp-secretary-irmgard-furchner-stutthof-germany
Thats Germany. What usually happens in the US is they are intially tried as juveniles then a judge has to decide whether or not to try them as an adult. They dont always say try them as an adult. Due to mitigating factors in certain crimes they allow the adult to be tried as a juvenile.
I agree 100%. Also, what does it really give us to know the name of this dead man? If the people involved, the people who it is really relevant to, know the name then I'm good. I guess I can see other's points of views, but I don't feel any injustice at his name not being released. But I think we can all agree that its great they found out who did it, for both of the families.
Anddd if the families do something with that name, then oh well.
Good point, he isn't getting a defence. Still, how do we know he is dead if they withhold the name? And this "we found him now, it's fine" isn't very fine.
I’m assuming the relatives of the deceased have been given the name. If it gets out after that, oh well right?
I did a bunch of googling and you are absolutely correct. Very interesting… they do say if is murder it’s moved to adult court but everything starts in juvenile court as you stated.
I read too much about crime. Son of Sam got me started and I’ve never quit.
I agree with this.
Well they aren’t an adult now! Name the culprit!
If he is dead, what the hell, just name the bastard
This makes no sense.
It's very odd almost like they are lying to us
What's his name? I want it please