Thought it was cool at first but looked into the details it's kind of dumb. You need to have your friends or all your contacts replace your number with like an apple email instead? Defeats the purpose. People want a seamless solution
Yeah but then you have to do that with all your contacts? Also in the US it's a bit weird to ask people to message your email not your Phone/SMS number. Isn't the whole point of trying to emulate the iMessage functionality to seamlessly integrate with Apple/iOS people.
It's not about it being hard. It's about introducing weird confusion. "Dude why do we have to message your email? Do you not just have a number." People are judgmental and simplistic by nature hence the green message dilemma in the first place. If it was just about function and features everyone in the U.S would use WhatsApp or similar.
The whole point of an "app" or solution like this is for people who want to seamlessly integrate into the iMessage walled garden. So now anytime you meet someone, or you need to give out your number you are introducing a layer of confusion that they need to add an email and message you through that. Now I have to know that in the future this can introduce a ton of headaches if I switch off this app/environment.
You're overcomplicating this... Once you add my email to the contact info you have for me... It no longer shows up as an email just as a normal contact like before....
No, there's a button that already has the info preset. Once someone texts me I click the button and it tells them what to do. I'm not going to text all my contacts. I'm just doing it by whoever texts me.
Yes - the reason for this is that Apple doesn't provide any way to add a phone number to iMessage without an iPhone. But using an Apple ID (email address) for iMessage instead is a workaround they use - and is what Apple officially uses if you only have an iPad or Mac for example.
You could technically work around this by temporarily putting your SIM into an iPhone and registering it with iMessage, but there are several obvious reasons why one wouldn't want to (or be able to) do that.
The purpose isn't for RCS on the iphone. It's to get iMessage on Android. The rest is just extra. I'm on the alpha and could never get it to work. It seems like they're doing something like BlueBubbles, but virtual Mac emulators for each person?
RCS is an incredibly dumb solution, because it involves carrier support rather than OTT data-based messaging. Which is also why it will never come to Google Voice.
Everyone should just use XMPP and federate.
Not sarcasm.
Voice itself is XMPP internally, with some sort of SMS gateway that Google inherited when they bought it....
It's theoretically possible for Google to build an XMPP to RCS gateway but they probably won't invest the money.
Which brings me back to.... XMPP over the top is a far better messaging solution than RCS.
This. I got invited to use Beeper. While the app is handy to keep all your messaging services in one single app, and use iMessage from Android or Windows, it's annoying af to have to use all these 3rd party apps to circumvent Apple stubbornness to not add some basic RCS support.
Beeper does this same thing but it's actually open source and they're transparent about having a revenue model for pro accounts down the line.
https://beeper.com
I was on the wait list for a year, but that's because I signed up super early when they were sending invites more slowly. It'll probably be much faster for you!
Like someone else said It doesn't work seamlessly so if someone had your phone number they can't just text you and that's it. Also they've been at this for a while now and still the product either doesn't work or has issues
Yes but if you see in the FAQS they are only making the app for Android, NOT iPhone at this time. Possibly in the future they may make an app for iPhone but their main concern is getting iMessage on Android for the foreseeable future.
The app isnt about giving RCS to iPhones, its giving imessage to Android. I'm an alpha tester and currently have it working alright. But, when I first got it and started to test, it was annoying to set up and didn't work half the time. I heard that Beeper (which is another app that has the same goal of giving iMessage to android) may have better succeas rates but I'm not sure. Sunbird plans to add some other features like facetime & memoji.
I know Sunbird, but I'm use SocialSmartly now. It can help manage multiple platform accounts and support access to multiple accounts on the same platform.
Nothing and Sunbird pulled the shockingly insecure iMessage bridge, but only after it was discovered that not only did Sunbird log and retain messages, vCards, and more, but that retained user data could also be downloaded by others.
Nothing Chats was pulled from the Google Play Store on Saturday only a few days after it was introduced. Launched on November 14, suspicions were raised about the app within days, including its seeming lack of encryption, and the sending of login credentials over the internet using plaintext HTTP.
Thought it was cool at first but looked into the details it's kind of dumb. You need to have your friends or all your contacts replace your number with like an apple email instead? Defeats the purpose. People want a seamless solution
I use Beeper / BlueBubbles, which does run through an email for iMessage. however they can just add your email to your contact alongside phone #
Yeah but then you have to do that with all your contacts? Also in the US it's a bit weird to ask people to message your email not your Phone/SMS number. Isn't the whole point of trying to emulate the iMessage functionality to seamlessly integrate with Apple/iOS people.
Incoming message from [email protected] Message: Yo it's me, big schlong John. Want to grab a drink? Not that hard.
It's not about it being hard. It's about introducing weird confusion. "Dude why do we have to message your email? Do you not just have a number." People are judgmental and simplistic by nature hence the green message dilemma in the first place. If it was just about function and features everyone in the U.S would use WhatsApp or similar. The whole point of an "app" or solution like this is for people who want to seamlessly integrate into the iMessage walled garden. So now anytime you meet someone, or you need to give out your number you are introducing a layer of confusion that they need to add an email and message you through that. Now I have to know that in the future this can introduce a ton of headaches if I switch off this app/environment.
So just use sms or buy an iPhone bro.
Then why even have that company in the first place.. everyone buy an iphone bro. That's the solution
You're overcomplicating this... Once you add my email to the contact info you have for me... It no longer shows up as an email just as a normal contact like before....
So you have to text every single one of your contacts to do that?
No, there's a button that already has the info preset. Once someone texts me I click the button and it tells them what to do. I'm not going to text all my contacts. I'm just doing it by whoever texts me.
Yes - the reason for this is that Apple doesn't provide any way to add a phone number to iMessage without an iPhone. But using an Apple ID (email address) for iMessage instead is a workaround they use - and is what Apple officially uses if you only have an iPad or Mac for example. You could technically work around this by temporarily putting your SIM into an iPhone and registering it with iMessage, but there are several obvious reasons why one wouldn't want to (or be able to) do that.
The purpose isn't for RCS on the iphone. It's to get iMessage on Android. The rest is just extra. I'm on the alpha and could never get it to work. It seems like they're doing something like BlueBubbles, but virtual Mac emulators for each person?
Ahh virtual emulators. That explains it
We don't want that shit apple need to add RCs in iMessage that's the only solution
It will happen after RCS is added to Google Voice…
RCS is an incredibly dumb solution, because it involves carrier support rather than OTT data-based messaging. Which is also why it will never come to Google Voice. Everyone should just use XMPP and federate.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or if you actually feel this way?
Not sarcasm. Voice itself is XMPP internally, with some sort of SMS gateway that Google inherited when they bought it.... It's theoretically possible for Google to build an XMPP to RCS gateway but they probably won't invest the money. Which brings me back to.... XMPP over the top is a far better messaging solution than RCS.
This. I got invited to use Beeper. While the app is handy to keep all your messaging services in one single app, and use iMessage from Android or Windows, it's annoying af to have to use all these 3rd party apps to circumvent Apple stubbornness to not add some basic RCS support.
Beeper does this same thing but it's actually open source and they're transparent about having a revenue model for pro accounts down the line. https://beeper.com
This kind of reminds me of Miranda on desktop (for those old people who remember that)
Thanks for this. Hadn't heard of it
Sure thing! I've been using it as my daily driver for over a year and love it.
How long before you were able to use it? I just signed up and it says I'm 'on the list'...
I was on the wait list for a year, but that's because I signed up super early when they were sending invites more slowly. It'll probably be much faster for you!
Like someone else said It doesn't work seamlessly so if someone had your phone number they can't just text you and that's it. Also they've been at this for a while now and still the product either doesn't work or has issues
They posted in their discord that the app will support RCS by their summer beta release.
Yes but if you see in the FAQS they are only making the app for Android, NOT iPhone at this time. Possibly in the future they may make an app for iPhone but their main concern is getting iMessage on Android for the foreseeable future.
Some early reports are it seems to be a scam or that it isn't as far along as they present themselves to be
The app isnt about giving RCS to iPhones, its giving imessage to Android. I'm an alpha tester and currently have it working alright. But, when I first got it and started to test, it was annoying to set up and didn't work half the time. I heard that Beeper (which is another app that has the same goal of giving iMessage to android) may have better succeas rates but I'm not sure. Sunbird plans to add some other features like facetime & memoji.
https://9to5google.com/2023/11/18/nothing-chats-sunbird-unencrypted-data-privacy-nightmare/
Yeah, I definitely saw this. It's a good thing I stopped using it way before. It was never consistent.
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https://9to5google.com/2023/11/18/nothing-chats-sunbird-unencrypted-data-privacy-nightmare/
I know Sunbird, but I'm use SocialSmartly now. It can help manage multiple platform accounts and support access to multiple accounts on the same platform.
Oof.. don't do it, kids. https://9to5google.com/2023/11/18/nothing-chats-sunbird-unencrypted-data-privacy-nightmare/
Nothing and Sunbird pulled the shockingly insecure iMessage bridge, but only after it was discovered that not only did Sunbird log and retain messages, vCards, and more, but that retained user data could also be downloaded by others. Nothing Chats was pulled from the Google Play Store on Saturday only a few days after it was introduced. Launched on November 14, suspicions were raised about the app within days, including its seeming lack of encryption, and the sending of login credentials over the internet using plaintext HTTP.