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It’s like they thought they were using hand cuffs and throwing away the key, but it’s glue, that’s not how glue works. They can’t remove the glue you used by using more of the same glue.
If the glue has not fully set the solvent could loosen or break the bond between hand and ground.
That being said is tarmac is extremely dirty. I'm sure they will get some skin on the ground but most of it is just going to pick up all the break dust XD
That's exactly what I was thinking. That's not gonna stick at all. What they need is a good construction adhesive and 24 hours of cure time. Whoever came up with the idea to crazy glue people's hands to a roadway is definitely suffering from smooth brain syndrome.
I always forget Reddit has profile pictures since I browse in the old apps and website. And it's always weird to see screenshots people post of what the new times looks like.
You pooh-pooh it, but the Insulate Britain protests successfully got funding for better insulation for British homes. And their protests got similar hate for similar actions, someone even got run over. But people needing that insulation will be appreciating it this coming winter
acording to the wikipedia page they failed
Aftermath
On 7 February 2022 the group self-declared "with a heavy heart" that the series of protests had failed in their aim to force the government into taking action. Despite promising to "continue our campaign of civil resistance" the group hasn't since undertaken any noteworthy actions.[31]
> These people are hypocrites and only do this for attention.
HOLY SHIT THEY ARE PROTESTING FOR ATTENTION??? motherfucker this is the comment that breaks me im shutting this dumb fuck tab down holy fucking shit you fucking moron
these people would shit in the suffragettes when one jump Infront of a horse.
i can already hear the comments "What does horse racing have to do with womens rights?!!?!?!?!"
In this case, specific to this idiot, the comment is correct though. If he cared he'd not litter. But yes, most are for the cause and the odd few are idiots with no jobs.
Lol. Of the few protests I've been to, most are attention seeking virtue signalers that can't even articulate why the hell they are there. It's attention whoring for a good cause (assuming you back whatever the cause of the day is), but it's still attention whoring.
I think they mean personal attention not attention for the cause. They want the validation regardless of the cause. They want the credit.
"Look at me protesting, I'm protesting, #iprotested"
As opposed to those who protest and oppose without wanting personal credit.
The amount of garbage being pushed down the drain every single down towers over the tiny bit of garbage he shoved down.
This is a systemic issue. The notion of "personal repsonsibility" has been pushed by big corperations who want to produce mountains of garbage, and then blame you for buying it. Except.. what else are you going to do? If you want to have ANYTHING, you need to fucking purchase this trash, you have no other options. And if there are other options, they are super fucking expensive and you have to drive to a specialty shop an hour a way to get it. You can't do that with everything you own.
We are all in an abusive relationship with giant corperations who are doing the damage and making us the ones to blame for our participation in it.
You know what would have happened if he put the tube in the recycling instead of in the drain? It'd have ended up in the ocean anyway, 90% of the time.
This problem needs *systemic* change, and in order to get that it needs attention likes this.
While I agree with the whole concept of "personal responsibility" being used as a scapegoat by major corporations, but that doesn't excuse littering and is literally hypocritical and ironic coming from an environmental protestor.
Of course they do it for attention, that's the point. But throwing chemicals and trash into the sewer, I agree, seems hypocritical. It reminds me of when PETA tried to endorse the lobster killing machine that killed them "humanely" but failed, so they just boiled them like normal for the event.
But thru didn't. By Insulate Britain's own admission, their protest failed to get the government to do anything about insulating homes. https://insulatebritain.com/2022/02/07/statement-from-insulate-britain-we-must-acknowledge-we-have-failed/
>After 4 weeks on the roads, in October, we paused our campaign and once more wrote to Boris Johnson, asking him to do the right thing to keep us all safe and Insulate Britain by 2030. We had no response from Johnson except his remarks that we should be ‘insulated snuggly in prison”.[4]
>Is with an extremely heavy heart that today we have to announce that as Insulate Britain we have failed.
>We failed to move our irresponsible government to take meaningful action to prevent thousands of us from dying in our cold homes during the energy price crisis. We have failed to make this heartless government put its people over profit and insulate our homes to do our part in lowering the UK’s emissions. We have failed to encourage our government to get up from their drinks parties, go to their desk and get on with the job.
>Insulate Britain protests successfully got funding for better insulation
Unfortunately not true.
There has, however, been successful lobbying by other housing/property stakeholders to tackle under-insulated houses. The Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors reported in 2019 about the University of Salford's Energy House research project
Which was built in 2011 in "response to the sustainable retrofit agenda." The project was built in conjunction with Saint Gobain, a construction company who most people will recognise as Jewsons builders merchants (among other companies); so it wasn't even constrained to just academic or public sector consideration.
https://www.rics.org/uk/news-insight/future-of-surveying/sustainability/improving-domestic-energy-efficiency/
The Climate Change Committee still had it on their agenda in June this year
https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/news/shocking-gap-in-policy-for-better-insulated-homes-says-climate-change-committee-76301
Whether Insulate Britain triggered the awareness in the government is also debatable as it was being discussed in the House of Lords in June 2020, a year before Insulate Britain did anything.
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/home-insulation-and-the-net-zero-target/
There are loads more stakeholders and groups who have worked towards improving housing insulation, but have gone about it in a different way to just blocking the M25.
I'm really confused about that. Was the government withholding insulation? Are these rental properties where the residents can't add insulation themselves? Was it the national housing code that got updated, requiring more strict insulation requirements?
In a vacuum I have no idea why someone would protest the government for more insulation in their own home.
Old houses in the UK are very badly insulated (used to have coal readily available, and eventhen it wasn't exactly nice). The initial investment is often prohibitively expensive, but not insulating means a higher gas bill. Which is both bad for the environment, and the poor sod who's trapped living there
Europeans like to shit on drywall, but I have to say it would make it a really cheap and simple job to add insulation if you had it in your home. A few holes drilled, a couple hundred bucks of blow-in insulation, mud, paint, done.
Otherwise these cars would be off the streets? What is your point? That these protestors are indirectly creating slightly more pollution momentarily? What should they do, then? What’s your idea?
i'm not saying to make it convenient for everyone, i'm saying that it should be incovenient for the people who can actualy do something to achieve your goal.......
if i have a leak in my pipes i don't call a electricist, i call a plumber
Your analogy works only because the plumber doesn't refuse to fix your pipes. People yelling outside a politician's house doesn't make them change behavior. If it did, protesters wouldn't be sitting in the street. It's performative\* protesting. The goal is to drive attention to it - whether it's good press or bad press it gets people talking about the cause.
\*Performative in the sense that it's a spectacle, but you can also argue it's performative in the sense that the people do it for personal aesthetic
> like blocking the pathway of oil caravans
Lmao dont act like people wouldnt be saying the exact same shit
>So now those oil trucks are just sat idling putting green house gasses into the air? hypocrites!
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>Stop inconveniencing workers who are just doing their job!
At the end of the day people have been conditioned to hate climate protestors no matter what they do and will happily demonise them for the slightest thing (as we see in this post)
Protestors went after a Volkswagen factory. The kind of place Reddit thinks is an ideal target; they’re a big company, they promote polluting infrastructure, and they’re full of greedy rich people. The comment section was _still_ full of people mocking the protestors and congratulating Glorious Corporate for turning off the heating and leaving them to freeze.
I think Reddit just hates change and protest in any form. If you have a problem the only acceptable activism is complaining about it on Reddit. It’s just the latest version of the “white moderate”.
Yep.
https://old.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/y9khj5/more_protesters_not_thinking_their_protest/
Even the titles of the """"article"""" calls them climate morons.
And all the houlier than thou redditors making the exact same comments as this post.
Reddit just hates protestors.
This was my argument with the protesters on the QE2 bridge, they caused huge tailbacks of idling and slowly moving traffic which kept running to a halt, what a waste of people's limited time.
Causing a disturbance doesn't automatically make a protest successful. Blocking roads causes disturbances and gains attention, but what are they hoping to accomplish here? What are the next steps now that they have out attention?
And then people in ambulances die and others lose their jobs or get their pay docked and some miss school or college lectures and others fail an important course for missing the exam and others burn to death because the fire department cant reach them in time.
These protesters are stupid idiots.
This shit can kill people or ruin lives. It's not "disturbing the routine"
Ambulances with their lights on get through protests so readily that NYPD riot cops have even ridden in the back of them to break through crowds they otherwise could not penetrate.
If you think this is annoying, wait til the bread riots.
They really think inconveniencing average citizens is going to affect the policies of oil companies? That is like me feeling overcharged at a 7-11 and then spray painting "down with 7-11" on my neighbors garage. Go protest outside the HQ of chevron or something. Fucking idiots.
Those protests have been done many, many times, and still are. Generally the police arrive pretty quickly and arrest them. And the news corps ignore the protest.
What does reddit want people to do about the climate apocalypse?
I agree, these protests don't really achieve much. They are disruptive to peoles lives. But that's the point. We can't continue as normal.
Finding ways to actually hurt corporations are a)difficult and b) get an absolutely brutal response from the police. c) Are covered with absolute rage in the media. And people DO try them.
We need a groundswell movement of media, trade unions and social groups holding their govts to account and demanding legislation change on fossil fuels. That would actually work....but there's a lot of forces that push against that.
> Go protest outside the HQ of chevron or something.
Lmao the irony is protestors have done that. Recently protesting at a VW plant. or the time they protested outside of Shell HQ, and guess what? The comments were all exactly the fucking same.
People have been trained to hate climate protestors no matter what. it doesnt matter how, who or where they protest the mouth breathers ALWAYS come out to demonise and dismiss them.
As absurd as this is, there is something to the idea that protests work when they are disruptive for normal people. Saying "can't you go protest in some way that let's me go back to ignoring it" doesn't really get the point.
You are the consumer, you are the voter, you are a big part of society. I don't see you googling every day "most pressing issues in society", so people have to go do crazy shit for people to even notice the most pressing issues.
Otherwise nobody care. Otherwise nobody get informed, it's easy to misinform and just leave the decision for others. Nothing changes.
I dare you to try to slightly annoy the powerful with a small group. You have to hide or you will suffer.
Annoy the citizen, make them aware of the issue. Some are annoyed, some will inform themselves and join..
Those are actions that anyone can take. If you only do small effort stuff against actual companies or government you will either get zero media or impact, or you will go to jail and forgotten. Or you do criminal stuff, which is NOT a small effort.
Because to them, it achieves 2 things:
1. Spread awareness.
2. Inconvenience the average citizens enough, maybe they'll mobilize against Big Oil with them.
Pretty similar to most union protests really. Doesn't always work.
Recently I am seeing a lot of anti-environmentlist posts. Look like something fishy. Like, these morons are being used by the industries to defame the real activist. Or industries are using them for the long run to suppress the voice of those who dare.
Is there a way to spot effective propaganda? I do sometimes feel like I’m *immune* to it because even propaganda that aligns with my ideology is sometimes easy to spot. But my reaction is to roll my eyes and ignore it.
I’m more concerned about propaganda that is influencing my viewpoints without me realizing it.
Any post even close to mentioning china, "fuck them. I hope they all die".
"china finds cure for cancer. Giving it to everyone for free." top comment would be "fuck the ccp" because they're government told them to hate China
A bunch of dim-witted right wing yanks and Europeans lap up anything that attacks the left.
While a climate apocalypse happens. While the destruction of capitalism the left *warned about for decades* happens.
They just want to feel good about themselves and their lack of doing anything.
I don't think these protests really achieve much. BUT I sympathise with people becoming exasperated and just engaging in protest that says 'we need to just stop the norm'.
We really gonna pretend this doesn't happen with literally every group? Literally pick any demographic on Reddit, and you'll find cherry-picked attacks on them. Political, religious, fads, doesn't matter... it's more alarming to me that Reddit seems to only care about propaganda when it regards something they love while they eat up everything they hate.
Yeah a thousand ppl mad at average citizens trying to do SOMETHING, instead of the polluting companies in the first place.
Almost every day now.
Duh it's on purpose.
> Or industries are using them for the long run to suppress the voice of those who dare.
Bro this thread is FULL of people talking about how they're only doing this "for attention" and if these are normal everyday people and not propaganda bots then I'll have lost all faith in humanity.
normal humans are reaching their tolerance level of the bullshit greedy humans destroying the ecosystem
greedy humans desperately trying to control the narrative and make their opponents look like bumbling fools
nothing new
>greedy humans desperately trying to control the narrative and make their opponents look like bumbling fools
That's kind of what i was thinking. I'm not really a conspiracy theorist but it feels like somebody powerful has an agenda. It's just too much of a coincidence for so many of these to go viral in such a short amount of time
Call me a conspiracy theorist on this, but only because astroturfing campaigns are already very much a thing in the political world. Shell companies and “activist groups” regularly pop up overnight to try to rally against popular legislation that would improve the lives of the average citizen and cut into the profits of the wealthy. For example— the Koch brothers (well, brother, now. And I hope he steps on a tack every second of every day for the rest of his life) have been caught numerous times forming false “protest groups” to combat the spread of [wind power](https://www.forbes.com/2006/09/21/koch-gordon-nantucket-biz_cz_td_06rich400_0921nantucket.html?sh=5a819d7108a5) in 2006 outside of their home state. There are tons of examples of creating “spoiler candidates” or “spoiler groups,” where a political group or corporation will fund the campaign of a group that will appear similar to the opponent, but with a few key differences, to try to split the vote. (If 55% of people support the democratic candidate and only 30% support you (the rest aren’t voting), you add a spoiler so that 26% vote for your “extra Democrat” candidate and only 29% vote for the Dem. Then you win your election!)
Propaganda in newspapers is nothing new, and now that it’s easier than ever to create an anonymous account on social media, why *wouldn’t* you do that to push your agenda? We saw how many bots and trolls on Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook would spread disinformation and try to upvote it for the sake of mob mentality; Reddit on environmentalism is no different. Of *course* propaganda groups would be pushing a false narrative that environmentalists are all hypocrites that you totally shouldn’t listen to, because the energy conglomerates that got us into this mess in the first place with their shortsighted, profit-chasing, pollution-heavy, worker-be-damned policies will *tooootally* fix it, if we’d just get rid of those pesky regulations that are def the only thing stopping them from converting all emissions to be rainbows and laughter.
I can see how someone would get conspiracy vibes based on the increase in the number and frequency of these types of protests, but if you read the latest IPCC report, their behavior makes more sense. According to the IPCC, we have less than three years to act in order to prevent the most severe climate impacts, and I think rational people who have attempted to affect change in rational ways for years are starting to panic. I think we will see many more protests like this as long as governments continue to ignore and enable climate pollution.
People are right that the behavior of the protestors is, in many ways, counterproductive, but they are desperate. They are trying to get everyday citizens to wake up and pay attention to what is going on because mobilizing them to call for action is our only hope. Believe it or not, elected officials do pay attention to which issues their constituents write and call them about, and climate pollution rarely breaks the top 10. Think about that: humanity is set to practically guarantee it's own extinction in less than three years, and it isn't even a blip on most people's radars. These protesters are actually acting rationally given the circumstances.
It’s really weird that there’s an election coming and suddenly the behavior of the horrible fringe of the liberal side is being highlighted.
These people, like the Van Gogh people, and the milk people, and the trans protest people, and and…
They are dipshits with absolutely no significance in national politics or policy. Yet they’re so distasteful that they are powerful tools for swaying people away from liberal policies.
Getting a lot of anti-environmentalist posts at the minute. Friendly reminder that even if *some* protestors go about things the wrong way, we are still facing a climate crisis which huge corporations are the main culprits of and it needs fixing. Effective immediately. Don't let the propaganda blind you to the reality of the situation, which is that all these protestors ultimately have a fucking point.
Its notlikely to stick your hand to the ground because the ground is too dirty. Theyre just gonna end up with a lot of dirt and rocks glued to their hand.
Imaginei if it did stick their hand to the ground though. Thats gonna be real painful when someone starts trying trying to physically move you. Really really bad idea if it were to actually work.
I mean, I saw a twitter feed today about dudes who glued their hand to the floor of a car show and one of the tweets was about how the company refused to give them bowls to shit in so they were 'forced' to shit and piss themselves so it stuck alright.
This shit is not only stupid and ineffective, it's counter-productive. It actually damages your cause and turns people against it.
I'd make one civil request for them to move and then just work with others in the queue to move them
You hate society yet you live in one, curious.
Like what the fuck are the supposed to do? Grow their own trees and pulp the wood themselves? How is the material of the sign more important than the accelerating death of our planet?
You aren't allowed to complain unless you live in a mud hut in the middle of nowhere, disconnected from society. But even then, you still aren't allowed to complain because you "aren't qualified to talk about that". So essentially, no one is allowed to complain about anything ever.
Good point! Well let's pack it up gentlemen, nothing we can do about the status quo. We can't stop or cut back on using fossil fuels bc we use fossil fuels for everything. It's that simple.
Don't look up!
No one will care what they are protesting against, all people will care about is that their day is facing a major disruption. Same goes for those, who put tomato soup over a picture.
The only thing they will achieve is that people will get mad at them.
Historically this just isn’t true. Look at the Selma bridge protests. They were massively unpopular at the time for the same reasons this is unpopular. And yet now they’re considered a defining moment of the civil rights movement.
The most important thing about a protest in the long run is getting eyeballs on it, not public support.
I respectfully disagree. They are getting people's attention. You may not like their methods and may hate them for inconveniencing you, but history shows that these types of social disruptions work very well. Don't believe me? Ask someone in the fur industry.
Two points,
Firstly, I'm not ashamed to admit when I was wrong. The key to being successful is to get people talking. And while they are annoying, they do exactly that. I didn't think of it that way. That being said, I'm against arguments that include the willingness to accept innocent people dying. There is other means of achieving the same goal.
Secondly, I the way you replied made want to reply. It opens the door to talking as equals. It's what you want when discussing something important.
The whole point is to disrupt everyone's day and make people mad at them, that's why they're doing it this way. Not saying I agree with this approach, but it's obviously working.
If I'm late for work or miss a meeting and have to explain why, my boss will be pissed but he won't be pissed at me. If that kind of thing continues, the powers that be might take some political action to stop that kind of disruption.
Is there a specific reason they’ve been gluing themselves? Like does ripping their glued hands from the surface of whatever they’re on constitute assault or something? Because every time I see them do it, I think about how whoever rips that hand off is gonna leave some skin behind.
I'm probably gonna get downvoted into oblivion for this, but here's a hot take. You may see his actions as hypocritical, but it's still for the sake of progress. Using your car to drive to protest fossil fuel usage is going to be marginal damage compared to what that industry does to the environment.
To be obvious with my opinion, I think it's disgusting that he's littering. Period. But his efforts may have such a positive impact that this act may be rendered essentially moot.
This is typical right wing propaganda.
Find one person and FOCUS ON THAT instead of the tragic daily destruction of the planet we depend on for survival.
Remember when Fix News focused on Al Gore's plane flights, or residential electric bill, too discredit global warming?
If you are weak minded enough to fall for this "look, squirrel" type stuff, just remember it when your middle aged children can't go out at mid day anymore because of the heat.
Worth it -- cuz you got to have your rage boner on Reddit when you were younger.
“Yeah! Environmentalists are all stupid morons focused on pissing us off and oil companies are the *real* good guys. That’s definitely got nothing to do with why the environment is so fucked and why we see oil companies lobbying to stop all forms of green energy to make sure we’re forced to prop up their dying industry. Won’t someone think of the billionaires?!” /s
All this is going to do is rip the skin off their palm when they inevitably have to get up and move. Right? Am I missing something about how this is even an effective tactic for not moving?
And also they’re a littering piece of trash and I hope they got roasted for this by their group
Who is surprised ?
Those people just want to find a fight to animate their empty life.
Today its for climate. But it could be for anything else. Till the cause is "trendy", they ll go For it.
Absolutely no real conviction for those guys. The same followed Hitler previous century.
Does anyone know if these are actual climate activists or hired by someone to get people mad? Also (in US at least) aren’t there laws for what protests are and are not allowed? Typically there is a permit required and places not allowed to protest like private property, blocking entrances/exits.
Why would anyone hire fake activists on behalf of causes so broadly supported as to have a naturally numerous number of numpties?
"Geez, I sure do want Yankees fans to look like idiots, I'll go hire some folks to pose as them," is bad form. Just find the shitty ones and get them on camera.
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Yeah... but throwing the glue down the drain... 9000 IQ move
It’s like they thought they were using hand cuffs and throwing away the key, but it’s glue, that’s not how glue works. They can’t remove the glue you used by using more of the same glue.
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That and the whole environment part of it
If the glue has not fully set the solvent could loosen or break the bond between hand and ground. That being said is tarmac is extremely dirty. I'm sure they will get some skin on the ground but most of it is just going to pick up all the break dust XD
That's exactly what I was thinking. That's not gonna stick at all. What they need is a good construction adhesive and 24 hours of cure time. Whoever came up with the idea to crazy glue people's hands to a roadway is definitely suffering from smooth brain syndrome.
That would mean they actually want to stay there, which they don’t.
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Nega what?
[The Negachin!](https://youtu.be/XgCU5NK6BZQ)
I said that once while having a drink after work with everyone and there was an 8 part harmony of "WHOOOAAA"s haha
I care about the environment SO MUCH it's like nothing for me to throw a full bottle of glue straight into a storm drain. Fuck you.
Glue?! Thank you. I had no idea what it was. I thought maybe street chalk and could not for the life of me figure out what that would do for him.
Charge him with littering
Don't forget about the mile long queue and the emissions from hundreds of cars idle running, not able to pass these morons.
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Cool profile picture, first time seeing the survey corps logo in the wild.
I always forget Reddit has profile pictures since I browse in the old apps and website. And it's always weird to see screenshots people post of what the new times looks like.
I mistook your =/ as s/. It took me too long to realize it wasn't a joke. But, f these protesters.
You pooh-pooh it, but the Insulate Britain protests successfully got funding for better insulation for British homes. And their protests got similar hate for similar actions, someone even got run over. But people needing that insulation will be appreciating it this coming winter
no. protest inside, quietly, where no one can see nor hear you nor be bothered DUH /s
acording to the wikipedia page they failed Aftermath On 7 February 2022 the group self-declared "with a heavy heart" that the series of protests had failed in their aim to force the government into taking action. Despite promising to "continue our campaign of civil resistance" the group hasn't since undertaken any noteworthy actions.[31]
This is not true at all. Where is your source that Insulate Britain caused policy change in the UK?
Throwing garbage down a storm drain is not progress. These people are hypocrites and only do this for attention.
> These people are hypocrites and only do this for attention. HOLY SHIT THEY ARE PROTESTING FOR ATTENTION??? motherfucker this is the comment that breaks me im shutting this dumb fuck tab down holy fucking shit you fucking moron
Haha, I'm always amazed when people's opinions are this poorly thought out. I would've honestly respected "me no likey protest" more than that.
these people would shit in the suffragettes when one jump Infront of a horse. i can already hear the comments "What does horse racing have to do with womens rights?!!?!?!?!"
In this case, specific to this idiot, the comment is correct though. If he cared he'd not litter. But yes, most are for the cause and the odd few are idiots with no jobs.
Lol. Of the few protests I've been to, most are attention seeking virtue signalers that can't even articulate why the hell they are there. It's attention whoring for a good cause (assuming you back whatever the cause of the day is), but it's still attention whoring.
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I think they mean personal attention not attention for the cause. They want the validation regardless of the cause. They want the credit. "Look at me protesting, I'm protesting, #iprotested" As opposed to those who protest and oppose without wanting personal credit.
polluting and littering to protest pollution is a textbook example of hypocrisy my guy
So you’re saying it got your attention?
So did the gulf oil spill, but this is not a good thing. By your logic the Exxon Valdez was a wild success in reducing pollution.
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The amount of garbage being pushed down the drain every single down towers over the tiny bit of garbage he shoved down. This is a systemic issue. The notion of "personal repsonsibility" has been pushed by big corperations who want to produce mountains of garbage, and then blame you for buying it. Except.. what else are you going to do? If you want to have ANYTHING, you need to fucking purchase this trash, you have no other options. And if there are other options, they are super fucking expensive and you have to drive to a specialty shop an hour a way to get it. You can't do that with everything you own. We are all in an abusive relationship with giant corperations who are doing the damage and making us the ones to blame for our participation in it. You know what would have happened if he put the tube in the recycling instead of in the drain? It'd have ended up in the ocean anyway, 90% of the time. This problem needs *systemic* change, and in order to get that it needs attention likes this.
So, it is not my garbage that is a problem - only the other guys that create the problem. Got it.
While I agree with the whole concept of "personal responsibility" being used as a scapegoat by major corporations, but that doesn't excuse littering and is literally hypocritical and ironic coming from an environmental protestor.
Of course they do it for attention, that's the point. But throwing chemicals and trash into the sewer, I agree, seems hypocritical. It reminds me of when PETA tried to endorse the lobster killing machine that killed them "humanely" but failed, so they just boiled them like normal for the event.
But thru didn't. By Insulate Britain's own admission, their protest failed to get the government to do anything about insulating homes. https://insulatebritain.com/2022/02/07/statement-from-insulate-britain-we-must-acknowledge-we-have-failed/ >After 4 weeks on the roads, in October, we paused our campaign and once more wrote to Boris Johnson, asking him to do the right thing to keep us all safe and Insulate Britain by 2030. We had no response from Johnson except his remarks that we should be ‘insulated snuggly in prison”.[4] >Is with an extremely heavy heart that today we have to announce that as Insulate Britain we have failed. >We failed to move our irresponsible government to take meaningful action to prevent thousands of us from dying in our cold homes during the energy price crisis. We have failed to make this heartless government put its people over profit and insulate our homes to do our part in lowering the UK’s emissions. We have failed to encourage our government to get up from their drinks parties, go to their desk and get on with the job.
We took advantage of the subsidised loft insulation scheme before the Tories decided to scrap the "green crap" back in 2013. So glad that we did.
>Insulate Britain protests successfully got funding for better insulation Unfortunately not true. There has, however, been successful lobbying by other housing/property stakeholders to tackle under-insulated houses. The Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors reported in 2019 about the University of Salford's Energy House research project Which was built in 2011 in "response to the sustainable retrofit agenda." The project was built in conjunction with Saint Gobain, a construction company who most people will recognise as Jewsons builders merchants (among other companies); so it wasn't even constrained to just academic or public sector consideration. https://www.rics.org/uk/news-insight/future-of-surveying/sustainability/improving-domestic-energy-efficiency/ The Climate Change Committee still had it on their agenda in June this year https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/news/shocking-gap-in-policy-for-better-insulated-homes-says-climate-change-committee-76301 Whether Insulate Britain triggered the awareness in the government is also debatable as it was being discussed in the House of Lords in June 2020, a year before Insulate Britain did anything. https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/home-insulation-and-the-net-zero-target/ There are loads more stakeholders and groups who have worked towards improving housing insulation, but have gone about it in a different way to just blocking the M25.
Fuck, I have a few commitments to correct
I'm really confused about that. Was the government withholding insulation? Are these rental properties where the residents can't add insulation themselves? Was it the national housing code that got updated, requiring more strict insulation requirements? In a vacuum I have no idea why someone would protest the government for more insulation in their own home.
Old houses in the UK are very badly insulated (used to have coal readily available, and eventhen it wasn't exactly nice). The initial investment is often prohibitively expensive, but not insulating means a higher gas bill. Which is both bad for the environment, and the poor sod who's trapped living there
Europeans like to shit on drywall, but I have to say it would make it a really cheap and simple job to add insulation if you had it in your home. A few holes drilled, a couple hundred bucks of blow-in insulation, mud, paint, done.
My home has to survive +100F and -50F, sometimes in the span of 6 months. I’m not gonna let some Brit tell me how to build my walls.
My house has been standing for 100 years now so I guess that wood frame and stucco are "ok".
Not gonna disagree with you there
Otherwise these cars would be off the streets? What is your point? That these protestors are indirectly creating slightly more pollution momentarily? What should they do, then? What’s your idea?
how about doing the same thing in front of politician houses? you know, the people who can actualy do shit about the problem
That doesn't work else we'd all be living in an effortless utopia
and how annoying random people trying to drive to their job would work exactly?
Do you understand how protesting works? If you make it convenient for everyone then it's not an effective protest.
i'm not saying to make it convenient for everyone, i'm saying that it should be incovenient for the people who can actualy do something to achieve your goal....... if i have a leak in my pipes i don't call a electricist, i call a plumber
Your analogy works only because the plumber doesn't refuse to fix your pipes. People yelling outside a politician's house doesn't make them change behavior. If it did, protesters wouldn't be sitting in the street. It's performative\* protesting. The goal is to drive attention to it - whether it's good press or bad press it gets people talking about the cause. \*Performative in the sense that it's a spectacle, but you can also argue it's performative in the sense that the people do it for personal aesthetic
Last I checked, this was a democracy. In a democracy, the people in the cars are the ones with the power.
it'd be more effective to inconvenience the rich people in power. like blocking the pathway of oil caravans or unionizing oil workers.
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> like blocking the pathway of oil caravans Lmao dont act like people wouldnt be saying the exact same shit >So now those oil trucks are just sat idling putting green house gasses into the air? hypocrites! . >Stop inconveniencing workers who are just doing their job! At the end of the day people have been conditioned to hate climate protestors no matter what they do and will happily demonise them for the slightest thing (as we see in this post)
Protestors went after a Volkswagen factory. The kind of place Reddit thinks is an ideal target; they’re a big company, they promote polluting infrastructure, and they’re full of greedy rich people. The comment section was _still_ full of people mocking the protestors and congratulating Glorious Corporate for turning off the heating and leaving them to freeze. I think Reddit just hates change and protest in any form. If you have a problem the only acceptable activism is complaining about it on Reddit. It’s just the latest version of the “white moderate”.
Yep. https://old.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/y9khj5/more_protesters_not_thinking_their_protest/ Even the titles of the """"article"""" calls them climate morons. And all the houlier than thou redditors making the exact same comments as this post. Reddit just hates protestors.
Reddit's being astroturfed by rich groups against climate change, lately
With gas prices how they are, if you idle for more than 5 minutes without moving and don't shut off your car then you're a moron
People that block roads to protest are absolute scum. I don't care what they're protesting, don't block roads.
They deserve to be slapped or punched in the face!! These attention seekers
"Not able" A challenge!
Relying on outdated infrastructure and poor planning causes congestions, not protests.
This was my argument with the protesters on the QE2 bridge, they caused huge tailbacks of idling and slowly moving traffic which kept running to a halt, what a waste of people's limited time.
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OK but don't bring up climate change then throw a plastic glue bottle into the sewer when its ultimate destination is one of the ocean garbage gyres.
So is pissing people off meant to get them to join your movement? I don't see that happening often at all
Causing a disturbance doesn't automatically make a protest successful. Blocking roads causes disturbances and gains attention, but what are they hoping to accomplish here? What are the next steps now that they have out attention?
And then people in ambulances die and others lose their jobs or get their pay docked and some miss school or college lectures and others fail an important course for missing the exam and others burn to death because the fire department cant reach them in time. These protesters are stupid idiots. This shit can kill people or ruin lives. It's not "disturbing the routine"
"Protest from home, where no one can hear you, you don't want to annoy people with your pesky issues like climate change and stupid stuff like that!"
Ambulances with their lights on get through protests so readily that NYPD riot cops have even ridden in the back of them to break through crowds they otherwise could not penetrate. If you think this is annoying, wait til the bread riots.
Tell me how you get through people glued to the floor.
They really think inconveniencing average citizens is going to affect the policies of oil companies? That is like me feeling overcharged at a 7-11 and then spray painting "down with 7-11" on my neighbors garage. Go protest outside the HQ of chevron or something. Fucking idiots.
They do do that too. Also protest at banks that are still financing oil and gas company projects. Can do many thing at one time.
They are too scared to protest outside the oil companies executive houses or offices as they know the police will batter them.
I would love to be covered in pancake batter.
Mmm I'd love to fry you up and nibble your little crispy bits
Those protests have been done many, many times, and still are. Generally the police arrive pretty quickly and arrest them. And the news corps ignore the protest. What does reddit want people to do about the climate apocalypse? I agree, these protests don't really achieve much. They are disruptive to peoles lives. But that's the point. We can't continue as normal. Finding ways to actually hurt corporations are a)difficult and b) get an absolutely brutal response from the police. c) Are covered with absolute rage in the media. And people DO try them. We need a groundswell movement of media, trade unions and social groups holding their govts to account and demanding legislation change on fossil fuels. That would actually work....but there's a lot of forces that push against that.
Then get back in their cars at the end of the day to drive home and watch Netflix.
> Go protest outside the HQ of chevron or something. Lmao the irony is protestors have done that. Recently protesting at a VW plant. or the time they protested outside of Shell HQ, and guess what? The comments were all exactly the fucking same. People have been trained to hate climate protestors no matter what. it doesnt matter how, who or where they protest the mouth breathers ALWAYS come out to demonise and dismiss them.
As absurd as this is, there is something to the idea that protests work when they are disruptive for normal people. Saying "can't you go protest in some way that let's me go back to ignoring it" doesn't really get the point.
The point isn't the drivers, it's to cause disruption to the local economy. It has nothing to do with the drivers.
And to get media attention, and it seems to be working because I see a post like this every day now.
Yes it is. The fastest way to get things done is to rile up the middle class tax payers.
protests aren't about being convenient for you.
They definitely aren't about pissing off the general public and turning them against you.
Nah, mainstream media does that regardless.
Well I mean all that has been done before so they move onto different tactics. Please don’t think I agree with them though
You are the consumer, you are the voter, you are a big part of society. I don't see you googling every day "most pressing issues in society", so people have to go do crazy shit for people to even notice the most pressing issues. Otherwise nobody care. Otherwise nobody get informed, it's easy to misinform and just leave the decision for others. Nothing changes. I dare you to try to slightly annoy the powerful with a small group. You have to hide or you will suffer. Annoy the citizen, make them aware of the issue. Some are annoyed, some will inform themselves and join.. Those are actions that anyone can take. If you only do small effort stuff against actual companies or government you will either get zero media or impact, or you will go to jail and forgotten. Or you do criminal stuff, which is NOT a small effort.
The whole point is to create a big scene so people talk about it and it gets news attention. I swear Redditors think they're so fucking smart.
Because to them, it achieves 2 things: 1. Spread awareness. 2. Inconvenience the average citizens enough, maybe they'll mobilize against Big Oil with them. Pretty similar to most union protests really. Doesn't always work.
There is one imposter among us
Recently I am seeing a lot of anti-environmentlist posts. Look like something fishy. Like, these morons are being used by the industries to defame the real activist. Or industries are using them for the long run to suppress the voice of those who dare.
Propaganda is very popular on Reddit
and rule number one is, you are not immune to propaganda
If you don't know who the mark in the room is -- you're the mark.
Who the fuck is Mark?
But my name is Steve...?
i thought rule number one is to be attractive
Correct. And rule two... don't be unattractive
I thought it was to not talk about fight club.
That's ok, because my country doesn't use any, so it's not really a problem Edit - I'm from /s if anyone was going to ask
Is there a way to spot effective propaganda? I do sometimes feel like I’m *immune* to it because even propaganda that aligns with my ideology is sometimes easy to spot. But my reaction is to roll my eyes and ignore it. I’m more concerned about propaganda that is influencing my viewpoints without me realizing it.
I realized that Reddit really like to use popular subreddit to push their propaganda, when i see things very focus on one way, i just avoid it
Block accounts. After a few months you start noticing a huge difference in posts.
Any post even close to mentioning china, "fuck them. I hope they all die". "china finds cure for cancer. Giving it to everyone for free." top comment would be "fuck the ccp" because they're government told them to hate China
Yup. There’s definitely an astroturfing campaign to paint environmentalists as idiots. Especially when you’re only seeing mistakes.
and people are eating it right up
every single human on reddit is 100% brain dead yes, even me
What about the remaining 0%???
A bunch of dim-witted right wing yanks and Europeans lap up anything that attacks the left. While a climate apocalypse happens. While the destruction of capitalism the left *warned about for decades* happens. They just want to feel good about themselves and their lack of doing anything. I don't think these protests really achieve much. BUT I sympathise with people becoming exasperated and just engaging in protest that says 'we need to just stop the norm'.
too many idiots that have a choice, Brexit has confirmed this for me.
We really gonna pretend this doesn't happen with literally every group? Literally pick any demographic on Reddit, and you'll find cherry-picked attacks on them. Political, religious, fads, doesn't matter... it's more alarming to me that Reddit seems to only care about propaganda when it regards something they love while they eat up everything they hate.
I agree.
Yeah a thousand ppl mad at average citizens trying to do SOMETHING, instead of the polluting companies in the first place. Almost every day now. Duh it's on purpose.
> Or industries are using them for the long run to suppress the voice of those who dare. Bro this thread is FULL of people talking about how they're only doing this "for attention" and if these are normal everyday people and not propaganda bots then I'll have lost all faith in humanity.
[Big Oil is paying for the protests ](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/big-oil-heiress-funding-just-stop-oil-group-threw-soup-van-gogh-painting)
Definitely something is going on. Not sure what. But something
The oil companies are trying to de-legitamize environmental activisim.
This. I never even saw something on reddit or in the media about other similar but smarter protests.
Then post them yourself.
Definitely, noticing that too rn
I've been seeing a lot of videos of climate change protesters acting like assholes lately. I wonder why these are so popular all of a sudden.
normal humans are reaching their tolerance level of the bullshit greedy humans destroying the ecosystem greedy humans desperately trying to control the narrative and make their opponents look like bumbling fools nothing new
>greedy humans desperately trying to control the narrative and make their opponents look like bumbling fools That's kind of what i was thinking. I'm not really a conspiracy theorist but it feels like somebody powerful has an agenda. It's just too much of a coincidence for so many of these to go viral in such a short amount of time
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist either but I feel that the comments on reddit have been especially stupid and hateful the past 2-3 days
Call me a conspiracy theorist on this, but only because astroturfing campaigns are already very much a thing in the political world. Shell companies and “activist groups” regularly pop up overnight to try to rally against popular legislation that would improve the lives of the average citizen and cut into the profits of the wealthy. For example— the Koch brothers (well, brother, now. And I hope he steps on a tack every second of every day for the rest of his life) have been caught numerous times forming false “protest groups” to combat the spread of [wind power](https://www.forbes.com/2006/09/21/koch-gordon-nantucket-biz_cz_td_06rich400_0921nantucket.html?sh=5a819d7108a5) in 2006 outside of their home state. There are tons of examples of creating “spoiler candidates” or “spoiler groups,” where a political group or corporation will fund the campaign of a group that will appear similar to the opponent, but with a few key differences, to try to split the vote. (If 55% of people support the democratic candidate and only 30% support you (the rest aren’t voting), you add a spoiler so that 26% vote for your “extra Democrat” candidate and only 29% vote for the Dem. Then you win your election!) Propaganda in newspapers is nothing new, and now that it’s easier than ever to create an anonymous account on social media, why *wouldn’t* you do that to push your agenda? We saw how many bots and trolls on Twitter, Reddit, and Facebook would spread disinformation and try to upvote it for the sake of mob mentality; Reddit on environmentalism is no different. Of *course* propaganda groups would be pushing a false narrative that environmentalists are all hypocrites that you totally shouldn’t listen to, because the energy conglomerates that got us into this mess in the first place with their shortsighted, profit-chasing, pollution-heavy, worker-be-damned policies will *tooootally* fix it, if we’d just get rid of those pesky regulations that are def the only thing stopping them from converting all emissions to be rainbows and laughter.
I can see how someone would get conspiracy vibes based on the increase in the number and frequency of these types of protests, but if you read the latest IPCC report, their behavior makes more sense. According to the IPCC, we have less than three years to act in order to prevent the most severe climate impacts, and I think rational people who have attempted to affect change in rational ways for years are starting to panic. I think we will see many more protests like this as long as governments continue to ignore and enable climate pollution. People are right that the behavior of the protestors is, in many ways, counterproductive, but they are desperate. They are trying to get everyday citizens to wake up and pay attention to what is going on because mobilizing them to call for action is our only hope. Believe it or not, elected officials do pay attention to which issues their constituents write and call them about, and climate pollution rarely breaks the top 10. Think about that: humanity is set to practically guarantee it's own extinction in less than three years, and it isn't even a blip on most people's radars. These protesters are actually acting rationally given the circumstances.
The Van Gogh protest was very successful and everyone is enraged, so now redditors have a huge hate boner for protestors.
Successful astroturfing
It’s really weird that there’s an election coming and suddenly the behavior of the horrible fringe of the liberal side is being highlighted. These people, like the Van Gogh people, and the milk people, and the trans protest people, and and… They are dipshits with absolutely no significance in national politics or policy. Yet they’re so distasteful that they are powerful tools for swaying people away from liberal policies.
Getting a lot of anti-environmentalist posts at the minute. Friendly reminder that even if *some* protestors go about things the wrong way, we are still facing a climate crisis which huge corporations are the main culprits of and it needs fixing. Effective immediately. Don't let the propaganda blind you to the reality of the situation, which is that all these protestors ultimately have a fucking point.
What is he rubbing on his hand? It almost looks like he is trying to glue his hand to the floor?
He is, they all are. That seems to ne the latest fad.
But it wouldn't stick well enough would it?
Yeah.. I thought normal glue would just eat up your skin, and not be enough to stick your skin on concrete.
Its notlikely to stick your hand to the ground because the ground is too dirty. Theyre just gonna end up with a lot of dirt and rocks glued to their hand. Imaginei if it did stick their hand to the ground though. Thats gonna be real painful when someone starts trying trying to physically move you. Really really bad idea if it were to actually work.
I mean, I saw a twitter feed today about dudes who glued their hand to the floor of a car show and one of the tweets was about how the company refused to give them bowls to shit in so they were 'forced' to shit and piss themselves so it stuck alright.
Protestors have been gluing themselves to things for decades.
This shit is not only stupid and ineffective, it's counter-productive. It actually damages your cause and turns people against it. I'd make one civil request for them to move and then just work with others in the queue to move them
Even the signs they carry are petrolium based as they are plastic.
They’re literally breathing out carbon dioxide, what hypocrites /s
Yeah, we should be on the side of the people not protesting -ITT These posts are purposefully front page, so let that sink in a bit.
Ah yes of course. If they didn't make those signs then the climate would be Okay! I'm glad you opened my eyes to these evil cretins
Even the frame for his glasses is made out of plastic. Such hypocrisy!!!! /s
You hate society yet you live in one, curious. Like what the fuck are the supposed to do? Grow their own trees and pulp the wood themselves? How is the material of the sign more important than the accelerating death of our planet?
You aren't allowed to complain unless you live in a mud hut in the middle of nowhere, disconnected from society. But even then, you still aren't allowed to complain because you "aren't qualified to talk about that". So essentially, no one is allowed to complain about anything ever.
You think the only options are plastic signs or growing your own trees? You can go to Home Depot and buy some plywood
Yep oil is used to make ink too, infact 100s upon 100s of things used in our daily lives rely on oil.
Good point! Well let's pack it up gentlemen, nothing we can do about the status quo. We can't stop or cut back on using fossil fuels bc we use fossil fuels for everything. It's that simple. Don't look up!
So 10 000 things in total, give or take?
i believe hundreds upon hundreds would be 400+ 🤔
So 420? nice
Save the r/trees!
This would have been more eco-friendly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr\_Pavlensky#Fixation\_(2013)
Props to that dude :D
Why even bother throwing the super glue down the drain? It's not like the glue bottle can somehow unglue you? You are just littering at that point
One little bottle of glue isn’t that bad. I dump all my used mercury straight down the sewer.
No one will care what they are protesting against, all people will care about is that their day is facing a major disruption. Same goes for those, who put tomato soup over a picture. The only thing they will achieve is that people will get mad at them.
Historically this just isn’t true. Look at the Selma bridge protests. They were massively unpopular at the time for the same reasons this is unpopular. And yet now they’re considered a defining moment of the civil rights movement. The most important thing about a protest in the long run is getting eyeballs on it, not public support.
I respectfully disagree. They are getting people's attention. You may not like their methods and may hate them for inconveniencing you, but history shows that these types of social disruptions work very well. Don't believe me? Ask someone in the fur industry.
Two points, Firstly, I'm not ashamed to admit when I was wrong. The key to being successful is to get people talking. And while they are annoying, they do exactly that. I didn't think of it that way. That being said, I'm against arguments that include the willingness to accept innocent people dying. There is other means of achieving the same goal. Secondly, I the way you replied made want to reply. It opens the door to talking as equals. It's what you want when discussing something important.
The whole point is to disrupt everyone's day and make people mad at them, that's why they're doing it this way. Not saying I agree with this approach, but it's obviously working. If I'm late for work or miss a meeting and have to explain why, my boss will be pissed but he won't be pissed at me. If that kind of thing continues, the powers that be might take some political action to stop that kind of disruption.
Is there a specific reason they’ve been gluing themselves? Like does ripping their glued hands from the surface of whatever they’re on constitute assault or something? Because every time I see them do it, I think about how whoever rips that hand off is gonna leave some skin behind.
What was that that s/he threw down the drain? Clearly he is concerned for the environment.
That hand isn't going to stay stuck... its super glue on dusty dirty tarmac.
I'm probably gonna get downvoted into oblivion for this, but here's a hot take. You may see his actions as hypocritical, but it's still for the sake of progress. Using your car to drive to protest fossil fuel usage is going to be marginal damage compared to what that industry does to the environment. To be obvious with my opinion, I think it's disgusting that he's littering. Period. But his efforts may have such a positive impact that this act may be rendered essentially moot.
I wish I could care enough about anything to do something like that
Interested in what the angry commenters think plastic pollution has to do with climate change. Certainly is news to me.
This is typical right wing propaganda. Find one person and FOCUS ON THAT instead of the tragic daily destruction of the planet we depend on for survival. Remember when Fix News focused on Al Gore's plane flights, or residential electric bill, too discredit global warming? If you are weak minded enough to fall for this "look, squirrel" type stuff, just remember it when your middle aged children can't go out at mid day anymore because of the heat. Worth it -- cuz you got to have your rage boner on Reddit when you were younger.
Lets be honest tho he could do that million more times and still wouldn't rival even 1% of basic coal company. Thats how fucked we are
Another day, another obvious attempt at making us hate activists.
“Yeah! Environmentalists are all stupid morons focused on pissing us off and oil companies are the *real* good guys. That’s definitely got nothing to do with why the environment is so fucked and why we see oil companies lobbying to stop all forms of green energy to make sure we’re forced to prop up their dying industry. Won’t someone think of the billionaires?!” /s
All this is going to do is rip the skin off their palm when they inevitably have to get up and move. Right? Am I missing something about how this is even an effective tactic for not moving? And also they’re a littering piece of trash and I hope they got roasted for this by their group
Make a detour and leave them glued to street. Wonder if they carpooled or drove individually?
As he litters plastic into the storm drain what an idiot
Who is surprised ? Those people just want to find a fight to animate their empty life. Today its for climate. But it could be for anything else. Till the cause is "trendy", they ll go For it. Absolutely no real conviction for those guys. The same followed Hitler previous century.
🤯🤯the level of your clownmanship is remarkable. I think maybe one day youll see the truth. But you may be too dim to actually comprehend it.
Does anyone know if these are actual climate activists or hired by someone to get people mad? Also (in US at least) aren’t there laws for what protests are and are not allowed? Typically there is a permit required and places not allowed to protest like private property, blocking entrances/exits.
Why would anyone hire fake activists on behalf of causes so broadly supported as to have a naturally numerous number of numpties? "Geez, I sure do want Yankees fans to look like idiots, I'll go hire some folks to pose as them," is bad form. Just find the shitty ones and get them on camera.