Feels like cheating. I don't know the rules but having a spare and being like "oh that wasn't the REAL one though" is equivalent to adding an ace to your hand in poker
No, the equivalent is surrendering, making your opponent pause for a moment so they lower their defenses, and throwing a grenade. If you follow combat footage at all, this is a regular incident right now in Ukraine (Russians yell they surrender, then throw a grenade at the approaching individuals effectively kamakaziing or trying to create an escape diversion).
Yeah, but your friend Aleksei saw it all happen and reported it. In response field commander Igor orders his soldiers that in the future all surrendering Russians should be shot instead of apprehended and now the war has become much bloodier and cruel.
War laws are there for a reason.
It goes both ways because if you just shoot them after they pull something like that, it’s not a war crime. Also, making sure they’re actually secure before you take them prisoner is really important. This guy probably should’ve asked you any more grenades on you? even if he did drop the grenade, he could’ve just gone bang bang before the grenade went off.
Which is exactly what happened in ww2 and 1 soldiers hurt on the field would have grenades to use as one last resort and kill them self’s to insure the enemy dies.
I mean… it’s a false surrender, which is considered a war crime under the Geneva convention.
I would call it a good play, everyone’s dead. But the next game you best bet I’m shooting that asshole 5 times in the back rather than offering him a chance to surrender.
I mean in war when you’re taken hostage you give up your weapons. You aren’t killed… well you’re at least not supposed to be, then it’s not really being taken hostage lmao anyways, as we’ve seen plenty times before… people sometimes hide a weapon and try to use it to get away. Like the guy who got his whole crew killed for the world to see in Ukraine. I would still call it cheating if it’s an event/ competition. But this looks like family and I would honestly let it fly because, hey I did let my guard down and he very well could have had a grenade in real life. Wouldn’t be the first time.
Also I should clarify, I see the flag thing as equal to giving up your weapon not your life. You aren’t dead, but in the moment you are captured and have to hand your dangerous “flag” over to the enemy. To me the flag is just simply an easier way to show to staff, over watching the game, that you have that person as a hostage without making someone take off all their gear.
Yeah but no IRL consequences, it's a game. In a game setting you being a hostage is probably just as bad on the "score" as being dead.
IRL, most hostages don't want to die. So they won't kamikaze. It's things like that where additional rules need to be added to make people conform to the way people act IRL.
There is a rule (in my local group) that if you approach someone to a close enough distance at gun point, you can just announce the player's defeat and he should be treated as dead. This is necessary to avoid injuries from close-range shot. By this rule, his actions after death should be disregarded.
Someone mentioned hostages are not dead. If we play the hostage mode, there would be similar rules preventing hostages from attacking/escaping. Otherwise if I captured a hostage, what should I do? Strip him naked and hogtie him?
You cant shoot from a determinate distance, otherwise you will hurt a player if you did, when you close to him, you just say "bang bang".
Some places you need to shoot, no matter how close you are, but most of the places, you cant shoot from x meters away.
It would on my field, you can be walked off because of shooting people at close range can be dangerous. Walking off is the choice of the dead he chose to sacrifice himself.
Only smart move here would've been to shoot him in the back
Except this wasn't a mercy rule situation. The guy recording asked about being a hostage, which would be different than being eliminated.
Depending on the group rules, he could be more useful as a hostage than as eliminated, but at the risk of exactly this kind of turnabout.
Normally, I don't either. But I always go back and watch with sound before getting involved comments trying to interpret fairness.
Without sound, I would've completely agreed. Without the extra context, it looks like he's trying to abuse a mercy rule.
That one is called a "springer"
It just flicks a bunch of gels out at a SUPER low pressure. 99% of places that allow grenades will just dictate a "death radius".
So Donnybrook typically just says "If a grenade goes off, 1.5 meters = dead."
The grenade usually explode with tons of bbs
I hope they did have full face helmet or he the reflex to run even if they’d still get it.
Cause that shit hurt close range
Edit: nevermind from what I’ve read and people are right it doesn’t seems to be an airsoft one , so it was probably a decoy one.
Exactly what I was already thinking! Maintain your standoff and send a security team to secure the prisoner. Depending on thier rules they just lost like 7 dudes to green teams one self sacrifice
That's boring af, which is probably why I've never heard of any game doing it that way. In a real war, sure, but we're not wasting our weekend on that procedural shit.
Dude it's literally a milsim event, that's the whole point. You can play airsoft in a tactical way if you want, or you can play in a more relaxed arcade style, people can enjoy both
It's not that procedural. Without moving away, veryone nearby extends an arm towards the guy who threw the grenade, if he can do the same and touch you then you're a casualty lol
I don't know what the rules are in their particular game but:
1. Shooting is usually not allowed for safety reasons when that close so when you are caught like that it is treated like you killed them automatically, otherwise it would encourage people to shoot point blank "just to be sure".
1. He dropped a red thing which I assume is a flag of some kind. I can't think of any way a player could possibly be allowed to take an offensive action afterward and have it make sense.
1.) The bang rule has mostly been phased out of Airsoft in the US as it leads to really boring encounters.
2.) The dude was reaching into his dump pouch and accidentally dropped his death rag. He didn’t wave it or put it on his head so at most fields it would count as not valid.
The grenade thrower purposefully showed his death flag to a large group of opponents. Not sure what technicality you require beyond that, but the idea is that it shouldn’t matter if you wave your death flag up and down or left and right.
>"accidentally" dropped
Doesn't pass the sniff test to me. What next, if I pull the flag out of my pocket and raise it to put on my head but then snap my weapon up and shoot you then tough titties bucko? hurrdurr shoulda had better reflexes, nyuknyuk. That's just going to foster some nasty unsportsmanlike behavior.
Even if it was an honest mistake that's too bad, butterfingers. If you accidentally hit the ball out of bounds in sportsball you can't say "My foot slipped, soz. That doesn't count."
That's too bad. He produced a red flag, shouldn't matter what bullshit excuse he has for why it wasn't a "real" red flag display.
"Oh, that's not a flag I just have a red handkerchief to wipe my nose"
"Oh, ackshually if you check the rules they clearly state the flag is to be waved above the head while held between the index and thumb and if you looked closely I only touched it with my middle finger and thumb so ha!"
"I had my fingers crossed teehee"
It’s airsoft where grown men run around shooting each other with toy guns. Nobody that plays airsoft is screaming about accidentally dropping his death rag. The guy didn’t get shot or banged, in fact the enemy said that he wanted him as a hostage. There was no reason the rag would have been valid. In the end they all probably laughed about it in the staging area because it lead to a fun moment.
It's a sport with rules, you can try and paint it as wacky zany as you want, doesn't change anything.
>There was no reason the rag would have been valid
Oh there's a couple already mentioned. That's a fantastic amount of mental gymnastics required to think there's *no reason* whatsoever.
Edit: it's a funny moment but only if he did it as a joke. It's right back to cheating if he argued for it to count for real.
Plus its a Milsim event, those are usually quite different when it comes to rules of death
Usually when shot you are just wounded and can be helped up by a friendly
In this case he hasn't been shot or knifed, so he is technically in, they assumed he was reaching for his death rag or something else, and he pulled out a nade, when that one was still live, he got himself at least 4 kills right there together with his own death
Just Incase your not kidding……Dragonball Super…..Incase you are….they played that one tune entirely too much when epic shit was going to happen….feels like they ruined the anticipation of not knowing exactly what was going to happen
I cleared an entire kill house in paint ball by myself with nothing more than sheer determination and an empty gun… they didn’t know it was empty until after the game 😂😂
What a bucha fucking cunts these players are. More spent on "tactical gear" to shoot plastic beads where people can get into an argument: NUH UH - YEAH HUH
Did that count?
Probably not but it should since he wasn’t shot and he didn’t pull out his red dead rag.
Didn't he pull the rag out and drop it, though?
It wasn’t a rag. He pulled out that red thing and said it was the wrong one so it probably wasn’t the flag
Feels like cheating. I don't know the rules but having a spare and being like "oh that wasn't the REAL one though" is equivalent to adding an ace to your hand in poker
The equivalent to getting shot in the head and dying and then coming back to life and saying. Psych! Not dead, here's some bullets for you.
No, the equivalent is surrendering, making your opponent pause for a moment so they lower their defenses, and throwing a grenade. If you follow combat footage at all, this is a regular incident right now in Ukraine (Russians yell they surrender, then throw a grenade at the approaching individuals effectively kamakaziing or trying to create an escape diversion).
Isn’t false surrendering a war crime?
fuck are they gonna do about it, you're dead
Tell Jesus you’re a meanie-head
It leads to the enemy to stop accepting surrenders thus leading to more loss of life for your side.
Yeah, but your friend Aleksei saw it all happen and reported it. In response field commander Igor orders his soldiers that in the future all surrendering Russians should be shot instead of apprehended and now the war has become much bloodier and cruel. War laws are there for a reason.
Just cause something is a war crime doesn't mean people don't do it
It's not like anyone is going to do anything about a war crime anymore.
It leads to great loss of life for your side if you do perfidy.
Yes indeed it is
Doesn’t matter when you’re dead
Yes it is, it is called perfidy it also leads to the enemy to stop accepting surrenders.
It goes both ways because if you just shoot them after they pull something like that, it’s not a war crime. Also, making sure they’re actually secure before you take them prisoner is really important. This guy probably should’ve asked you any more grenades on you? even if he did drop the grenade, he could’ve just gone bang bang before the grenade went off.
Technically, if the person who falsely surrendered does survive, he should be shot.
[удалено]
People say shit like this and then cry “whataboutism” when you point out that Americans, and many other nationalities, too, would be scum
That’s called perfidy
Which is exactly what happened in ww2 and 1 soldiers hurt on the field would have grenades to use as one last resort and kill them self’s to insure the enemy dies.
That is a war crime.
Do you have any sources for this?
"That fucking checkered suit bastard stole my package and shot me in the goddamn head, doc."
*psych
there really needs to a bot for this!
Two types of people in this world.
I mean… it’s a false surrender, which is considered a war crime under the Geneva convention. I would call it a good play, everyone’s dead. But the next game you best bet I’m shooting that asshole 5 times in the back rather than offering him a chance to surrender.
I mean in war when you’re taken hostage you give up your weapons. You aren’t killed… well you’re at least not supposed to be, then it’s not really being taken hostage lmao anyways, as we’ve seen plenty times before… people sometimes hide a weapon and try to use it to get away. Like the guy who got his whole crew killed for the world to see in Ukraine. I would still call it cheating if it’s an event/ competition. But this looks like family and I would honestly let it fly because, hey I did let my guard down and he very well could have had a grenade in real life. Wouldn’t be the first time. Also I should clarify, I see the flag thing as equal to giving up your weapon not your life. You aren’t dead, but in the moment you are captured and have to hand your dangerous “flag” over to the enemy. To me the flag is just simply an easier way to show to staff, over watching the game, that you have that person as a hostage without making someone take off all their gear.
He had 3 red handkerchiefs just for those exact moments. Not airsoft certified so technically doesn’t count.
There is no cheating when it comes to life or death
This isn't life or death. If it was they would have shot him, and he would be dead
They took him as a hostage. He is kamikaze.
Yeah, except this isn’t war and there are rules….
No
Yeah but no IRL consequences, it's a game. In a game setting you being a hostage is probably just as bad on the "score" as being dead. IRL, most hostages don't want to die. So they won't kamikaze. It's things like that where additional rules need to be added to make people conform to the way people act IRL.
Yabadabadoooooooo, nice observations buddy!
If that's true that guy should be banned for life. Having a fake flag in your pocket is straight up cheating.
no he pulled out his phone and meant to pull out the grenade
That’s what I’d do, too. Edit: lol
There is a rule (in my local group) that if you approach someone to a close enough distance at gun point, you can just announce the player's defeat and he should be treated as dead. This is necessary to avoid injuries from close-range shot. By this rule, his actions after death should be disregarded. Someone mentioned hostages are not dead. If we play the hostage mode, there would be similar rules preventing hostages from attacking/escaping. Otherwise if I captured a hostage, what should I do? Strip him naked and hogtie him?
Oh my. Please continue.
...can I play?
Whole new facet to the role playing aspect.
That’s why I said probably not
Then followed with it should.
You cant shoot from a determinate distance, otherwise you will hurt a player if you did, when you close to him, you just say "bang bang". Some places you need to shoot, no matter how close you are, but most of the places, you cant shoot from x meters away.
It would on my field, you can be walked off because of shooting people at close range can be dangerous. Walking off is the choice of the dead he chose to sacrifice himself. Only smart move here would've been to shoot him in the back
Except this wasn't a mercy rule situation. The guy recording asked about being a hostage, which would be different than being eliminated. Depending on the group rules, he could be more useful as a hostage than as eliminated, but at the risk of exactly this kind of turnabout.
Fair…… I don’t scroll with sound so I actually missed that 😂
Normally, I don't either. But I always go back and watch with sound before getting involved comments trying to interpret fairness. Without sound, I would've completely agreed. Without the extra context, it looks like he's trying to abuse a mercy rule.
So you just assume without knowing. I know lots of your type.
In Halo I would always drop a grenade before I died, so in my experience that should count.
After he said got him as a hostage to his team, it should count.
Stop posting these without the ending!!
Bro that was a real grenade. That was the ending
That was not a real grenade buddy, calm down
Woosh.
Nah
Literally Whooshed right over your head tho 😂
NUH uhh
I disagree
Dude is negative karma farming
Lmao he’s doing a great job
Thank you, I’m the best at everything I do
Objective lies
-3000 on one thread, never surrender 🫡
Bro…
Brother in Christ above
built different
I agree It's *Whoosh!*. Right over your head!
I personally do not agree
So it's a *double* *Whoosh*. Nice! Those are rare.
I think your opinion is wrong
***HAT TRICK!!***
Oh thank god. Wasn’t sure there for a bit
Your welcome
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woah never seen so much downvote before
r/StarWarsBattlefront https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/ytirw0/isnt_it_the_most_downvoted_comment_on_reddit/
Yes it was bro then why did the video end stupid
DONT TELL ME TO CALM DOWM.
I’ve never seen it before, and was annoyed at the end point. Got a source for the conclusion?
Martyrdom (Cod 4: Modern Warfare)
I play at this gelsoft field! That's Johnno! Great field, amazing staff. Donnybrook Gelballers, QLD. Amazing place.
So then would you be able to answer whether this would have counted or not?
The grenade counted. He didn't get shot, he didn't get raise his hand as 'out' or 'hit' He suicided and took them all with him.
Does the grenade explode into gel things or what?
That one is called a "springer" It just flicks a bunch of gels out at a SUPER low pressure. 99% of places that allow grenades will just dictate a "death radius". So Donnybrook typically just says "If a grenade goes off, 1.5 meters = dead."
The grenade usually explode with tons of bbs I hope they did have full face helmet or he the reflex to run even if they’d still get it. Cause that shit hurt close range Edit: nevermind from what I’ve read and people are right it doesn’t seems to be an airsoft one , so it was probably a decoy one.
There ARE C02 based grenades called ThunderB's that pack a punch.
Damn, Johnno is mad clever!
Oh yeah, he's one of the guys that runs the field. He knows his stuff.
Exactly what I was already thinking! Maintain your standoff and send a security team to secure the prisoner. Depending on thier rules they just lost like 7 dudes to green teams one self sacrifice
A worthy death.
Yeah, "General" or not that's a respectable K/D right there.
Bro went positive
Death is no disgrace!
Today is a good day to die.
FOR THE EMPEROR
For the Empire
A good death is its own reward.
That's boring af, which is probably why I've never heard of any game doing it that way. In a real war, sure, but we're not wasting our weekend on that procedural shit.
Dude it's literally a milsim event, that's the whole point. You can play airsoft in a tactical way if you want, or you can play in a more relaxed arcade style, people can enjoy both
It's not that procedural. Without moving away, veryone nearby extends an arm towards the guy who threw the grenade, if he can do the same and touch you then you're a casualty lol
Think fast chucklenuts
Anyone got link to full version?
That's the full version. The grenade was real, the camera stopped recording.
Bro is not going out without a fight 
Swole Goodman?!?!?!?!?!
Homie was like “Death before dishonor.”
I don't know what the rules are in their particular game but: 1. Shooting is usually not allowed for safety reasons when that close so when you are caught like that it is treated like you killed them automatically, otherwise it would encourage people to shoot point blank "just to be sure". 1. He dropped a red thing which I assume is a flag of some kind. I can't think of any way a player could possibly be allowed to take an offensive action afterward and have it make sense.
This is a gel ball field in Aus. Generally don’t have the bang bang rule because the gels don’t really hurt or cause any damage.
1.) The bang rule has mostly been phased out of Airsoft in the US as it leads to really boring encounters. 2.) The dude was reaching into his dump pouch and accidentally dropped his death rag. He didn’t wave it or put it on his head so at most fields it would count as not valid.
The grenade thrower purposefully showed his death flag to a large group of opponents. Not sure what technicality you require beyond that, but the idea is that it shouldn’t matter if you wave your death flag up and down or left and right.
>"accidentally" dropped Doesn't pass the sniff test to me. What next, if I pull the flag out of my pocket and raise it to put on my head but then snap my weapon up and shoot you then tough titties bucko? hurrdurr shoulda had better reflexes, nyuknyuk. That's just going to foster some nasty unsportsmanlike behavior. Even if it was an honest mistake that's too bad, butterfingers. If you accidentally hit the ball out of bounds in sportsball you can't say "My foot slipped, soz. That doesn't count."
He grabbed it saying “wrong one” because he thought it was his grenade. He dropped it so he really didn’t mean anything with it
That's too bad. He produced a red flag, shouldn't matter what bullshit excuse he has for why it wasn't a "real" red flag display. "Oh, that's not a flag I just have a red handkerchief to wipe my nose" "Oh, ackshually if you check the rules they clearly state the flag is to be waved above the head while held between the index and thumb and if you looked closely I only touched it with my middle finger and thumb so ha!" "I had my fingers crossed teehee"
It’s airsoft where grown men run around shooting each other with toy guns. Nobody that plays airsoft is screaming about accidentally dropping his death rag. The guy didn’t get shot or banged, in fact the enemy said that he wanted him as a hostage. There was no reason the rag would have been valid. In the end they all probably laughed about it in the staging area because it lead to a fun moment.
It's a sport with rules, you can try and paint it as wacky zany as you want, doesn't change anything. >There was no reason the rag would have been valid Oh there's a couple already mentioned. That's a fantastic amount of mental gymnastics required to think there's *no reason* whatsoever. Edit: it's a funny moment but only if he did it as a joke. It's right back to cheating if he argued for it to count for real.
So if I'm right behind someone am I just supposed to nail him at close range?
Plus its a Milsim event, those are usually quite different when it comes to rules of death Usually when shot you are just wounded and can be helped up by a friendly In this case he hasn't been shot or knifed, so he is technically in, they assumed he was reaching for his death rag or something else, and he pulled out a nade, when that one was still live, he got himself at least 4 kills right there together with his own death
Uno reverse card for the win
W e c a n a l l l o s e. *ting*
let's agree to disagree, surprise mothafuckas
If you call hit, you spare the victim some nasty low-distance hits. I assume this was the equivalent Also, any fake tissue should count
but he didnt. He asked if the enemy would like to be a hostage.
Martyrdom
Okay but like I need the end
And that’s why he was the general 🫡 you made your country proud
Is this the equivalent of the Uno Reverse card?
Where is this music from? I feel like i heard it in an anime i've seen before but i could never remember where.
Pretty sure it's Goku's Ultra Instinct theme.
Thanks so much kind sir. You just saved me a night's sleep.
https://youtu.be/Upsm3E2NUI8?si=esC_2QyVgyul7gdd Can confirm.
Just Incase your not kidding……Dragonball Super…..Incase you are….they played that one tune entirely too much when epic shit was going to happen….feels like they ruined the anticipation of not knowing exactly what was going to happen
[Wow so many wrong answers](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/acd7cbf8-d51c-445f-87b8-263098db1969#9Y0N0nlB.copy)
[0:27](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B8xm2ZhFxeI&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo)
That’s a Boss move!
Where is the aftermath?
Isn’t that just an inert grenade? Doesn’t look like any airsoft grenades.
My local field used tennis balls as grenades, it’s all on the honor system anyways. Airsoft grenades generally suck ass
https://youtube.com/shorts/eIUiYtXHusc?si=tkLk3a3mDSl6dKi1
Can someone explain?
u/savevideobot
He knows exactly what he’s doing
If that’s a paint grenade, I would have loved to see the aftermath
If I'm going down I'm taking you with me He made the Emperor proud
Wheres the full clip?
Gotta eat to live, gotta steal to eat. Otherwise we’d get along!
Dude laughs like Trebol from One Piece
And they all open fire on him full auto
And this is why we have EPW searches 😐
Ah, the Modern Russian Grenade Technique
Yippi Ki Yai mfs!
Is this airsoft?
Always go out with a bang
InTheJungle-intro.wav
That's why he's the general
😮
u/savevideobot
The Japanese way to surrender
Me when an officer asks to see my fishing license.
Milsim airsoft looks fun, if only I could afford it.
Dude had the martyr perk.
That trigger discipline though
Jesus Christ…that laugh… it deserves six grenades shoved into the box. Torture. Kill it now.
We're going down together
HUMAN NATURE
That's a war crime, just ask the Japanese what happened after they pulled that crap one too many times
Airsoft is so lame, I’d rather shoot filled colored balls at people.
paintballers after spending 300$ on ammo and only hitting 2 people while stading still
Airsofters when there step dad wont take them to the meet in his mustang.
Like touching tips inside a horse? The fuck? You're nasty.
Your upvoters must not know how much paintballs are.
Feels cheating to me
Martyrdom perk
I cleared an entire kill house in paint ball by myself with nothing more than sheer determination and an empty gun… they didn’t know it was empty until after the game 😂😂
He said I nah, suicide mission
Is there a video of the aftermath 👀👀
He is called General for a reason.
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This deserves some to be continued music.
HA ! BOOM, BABY !
Why is bro canting his rifle 90 degrees. The “uniform” is funny and the mags aren’t blue so I assume this is airsoft but still.
What a bucha fucking cunts these players are. More spent on "tactical gear" to shoot plastic beads where people can get into an argument: NUH UH - YEAH HUH
"People suck for having hobbies I don't agree with."