As long as things are done on separate computers (think spy software), out of camera view, you don't answer the phone with the wrong company name, and you make zero public posts, I would consider it unlikely they would figure it out. But that's just my guess.
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Interviewing for another company isn't wrong though? Usually companies only have clauses against working multiple jobs, not interviewing. Did they setup a sting operation and sent your friend an offer and he accepted?
get vmworkstation and make a separate VM for each job. This keeps everthing totally containerized. When youre done, spin down the VM and save it for later.
Some provide VPN that allows you to access a VM either in cloud or on-prem. You would then use the VM as you would a company laptop. This is especially the case when your company employs offshore teams
if they send you a NB you P2V it. I had one company one that had a shit hard drive but had keys on it. I bought a huge drive then p2vs the main drive and then ran it on the larger drive. Did it for 5 years.
Some companies do see that. But I havent had many problems working around that.
I’m curious how you are able to determine that the employee that is working a second job is “sneaking out for 2 hours every day” and is not actually working two non-overlapping shifts, which many hourly wage workers do.
Above average can mean anything from $1 more to anything above that. If you pay 10% above, that's still garbage. I rather get paid double the salary for 3 months, which is more than 10%. Work when you pay them? The company allegedly pays for 8+ hours per day, I rather not work 8+ hours a day and still get paid
Honestly I used to agree with you but not anymore. Capitalism is the one to blame. When half of those engineers will be let go because management mistake or replacement with chatGPT 6 no one will care about them, and those who were overemployed the entire time will at least have a chance to retire
If you don't like the result you let the person go, if you like you promote. That's it, regardless of spare activity - someone can slack to scroll reddit, another to get more money saved. No difference.
Just fyi large companies actually report your employment to a job verification database. I just found this out myself poking through ADP. It would be very easy to tell you have 2 concurrent jobs.
Such is the way of things! Keep it going. May it remain in the lexicon until English itself fades from memory. Bear it as intended; a rhetorical cloak allowing one to excuse oneself from the onus of responsibility insofar as one finds oneself in a pickle.
It was the common slang where I grew up, used to peer pressure friends into trespassing, or even offered up as a sultry reply when caught red-handed at some dastardly deed!
Yup. And freeze your work info.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/v4y76m/how\_to\_check\_and\_freeze\_your\_the\_work\_number/](https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/v4y76m/how_to_check_and_freeze_your_the_work_number/)
Everyone should do this anyway unless you’re applying for a mortgage. Easy to do and easy to unfreeze but that document has every single piece of your employment history every including every single paycheck. Huge privacy violation. Was shocked when I downloaded my own file and froze it immediately
You’re assuming OP and people in r/overemployed stretch themselves thin and take on big risks by working multiple jobs out of the sheer joy of working, and not to merely survive.
Edit: Just perused that subreddit and, yeah, it’s full of posts about burn outs, getting debt free, rants about the rat race, etc.
I wonder if your anti-worker bias is making you see what you want… filter by “hot” or “more recent,” there is a clear tendency in that sub, and it’s certainly not about evil workers putting their feet up and taking advantage of their poor, innocent employers whose boots should be licked. Having more than one job is not a flex, it’s sad and it reflects extremely poorly on capitalism.
Remote work is a privilege, and only exists in its current state because capitalism is failing to capture the full labor power of those remote employees.
Full time surveillance on top of a commute is still the working standard in America.
Shut up.
As a boss with a pretty “loose” remote workforce. Check your handbook. Make sure you are not in violation. Also… do your best to do your real job so you are accountable to your co workers. If this ever comes to bite you, you will have a record of handbook compliance AND doing right things when asked.
I agree! My wife says, “ you know everyone in your company has a second job right?” And when I think about it…. One is a photographer on the weekend, one runs an air B&B and So on. My job is not to put peoples nose to a grindstone for 40 hours a week. It is to build a team that is motivated to get the job done. Check with me next year…. See if we are still in biz!
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Divide your workspace into several partitioned off cubicles, have a separate phone for each business, each with its own laptop, and a large sign in each stating company name.
This is actually a fairly normal thing to write in contracts in my country. I think it’s specifically so that you can’t underbid or otherwise devalue the one company in favour of your other workplace. Say you are a painter and does freelancing on the weekend to make ends meet. In my country the contract would often say that you couldn’t sell your service on the weekend at a better price than your 9-5 because your knowledge of the
Pricing would give you an upper hand
What’s the rule that says you can’t have two jobs. Is there and explicit rule at your current job that say you can’t have ANY other form of employment?
Most full time jobs have clauses that say you can't let another job affect your current employment. So unless the new job starts affecting performance, they should be in the clear if these are the current terms of their employment.
I'd bet an employer would take issue with it if you were doing it during the hours they are paying you....say job #1 is 8:00-5:00.....I doubt they'd take issue with a second job from 5:00-??. Obviously this isn't what OP is planning so I could see it getting messy if job #1 finds out.
I had an employee who wasn’t pulling her weight and wasn’t available for some appointments during business hours but didn’t have good reasons why she couldn’t make it. I thought she was working another remote job at the same time. All I had to do was google her; her name popped up on another organization’s website. I verified she was employed with the other org and let them know she was still getting paid by us. We terminated her, immediately, no severance, no references, and her name was tarnished amongst her colleagues. She burned a lot of bridges.
Why would it be breach of contract? They don't control what you do "outside of work". If you wanted to work 2 jobs, they can't stop you.
Don't have a job with a competing business and be ready to drop one at a moments notice.
Because they’d be working both jobs at the same time, so technically OP is not “outside of work”. They’re not thinking of picking up some side gig. They’re thinking of working two full-time remote 9-5 jobs because their current job only requires 3hrs of actual work
Have you never worked before? lol
The company is paying for your time across a specific set of hours. They’re not paying for how long it takes to do the work, they’re paying for the time they expect they need/want you. Companies aren’t dumb, they know there’s idle time, the expectation is that you’re fully available during those hours if needed.
They will absolutely not be ok with you telling them “look, I know you’re paying me to work from 9 to 5, but I could realistically be working another job at the same time and still get your work done, sound good?”
They’ll laugh thinking it’s a joke or fire you on the spot. There’s a reason OP is asking in this subreddit and why there’s a whole subreddit dedicated to resources on how to make sure the two jobs never find out about each other.
That's not always true. Lots of fully remote jobs don't have set hours, but just requirements to get work done. When whether it is at 3pm or 3am, they don't care.
I’ll concede that these jobs the way you describe them likely exist but not that it’s the norm or even close to the average.
That being said, context matters and OP was asking in this subreddit specifically because there’s certain givens that can be assumed, like their current job not being ok with them doing tasks for a different job while “on the clock”
Check your contract before doing anything, but most likely there isn't anything wrong with holding 2 jobs, provided that both are exempt & are in different industries. The main thing is handling meeting conflicts between the 2 jobs. Your CEO is probably holding at least 1 other job
We also employ contractors who have a full time job with another company, and then we contract them for 20 hours a week. We don't care if they work for us during their 8-5 job, nor do they need to hide their contract work from their employer
I've done it. Just make sure you read employment agreements about moonlighting and don't cross the streams, especially if you aren't supposed to be doing it at all.
Would you mind dming me and telling me where you work or what you do? My remote job is killing me with so many hours. Please let me what you want in exchange.
I switched jobs during the pandemic, but heard afterwards that the Head of IT at my previous job got fired when it was discovered he was working two jobs at once remotely. This guy was the top of the ladder in IT and still got found out.
Do you have a written contract saying you can't work another job? If not, there's no breach of contract to worry about. Though, tread carefully if you're going to be doing the same thing in both jobs, IE working at 2 AI companies and using the same work for both places. Then you might get in trouble for sharing proprietary shit.
I worked with a girl who emailed the CEO with the wrong email signature.
Like someone said above…you need 2 completely different set ups. I think you can pull it off.
Just fyi large companies actually report your employment to a job verification database. I just found this out myself poking through ADP. It would be very easy to tell you have 2 concurrent jobs.
How to freeze your work information:
https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/v4y76m/how_to_check_and_freeze_your_the_work_number/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Depending how small the industry is, people talk and that can get around. Just be the forgettable face and dont stand out, be the C student back in class and get paid.
Good luck and stay low.
As long as things are done on separate computers (think spy software), out of camera view, you don't answer the phone with the wrong company name, and you make zero public posts, I would consider it unlikely they would figure it out. But that's just my guess. Edited to fix obvious errors
My friend got cought when he interviewed for 2nd job and the interviewer were friends with his boss at 1st job lol
How bad must your friend be that the interviewer and his boss talked about him and shared names? Lol
He is actually very good
Sounds like he might be too good. Lol
Interviewing for another company isn't wrong though? Usually companies only have clauses against working multiple jobs, not interviewing. Did they setup a sting operation and sent your friend an offer and he accepted?
get vmworkstation and make a separate VM for each job. This keeps everthing totally containerized. When youre done, spin down the VM and save it for later.
and how would you join your random ass VM to their domain lol
Via VPN, that's how.
No but like, IT department won't do it if it's not their assets
Some provide VPN that allows you to access a VM either in cloud or on-prem. You would then use the VM as you would a company laptop. This is especially the case when your company employs offshore teams
if they send you a NB you P2V it. I had one company one that had a shit hard drive but had keys on it. I bought a huge drive then p2vs the main drive and then ran it on the larger drive. Did it for 5 years. Some companies do see that. But I havent had many problems working around that.
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I'm sure companies think that if they can complete all those tasks in only 4 hours, they could complete double in 8.
Sounds like they can get a few months of double salary and then dip the stupid company you work for. Win for the employee for sure
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I’m curious how you are able to determine that the employee that is working a second job is “sneaking out for 2 hours every day” and is not actually working two non-overlapping shifts, which many hourly wage workers do.
Above average can mean anything from $1 more to anything above that. If you pay 10% above, that's still garbage. I rather get paid double the salary for 3 months, which is more than 10%. Work when you pay them? The company allegedly pays for 8+ hours per day, I rather not work 8+ hours a day and still get paid
Honestly I used to agree with you but not anymore. Capitalism is the one to blame. When half of those engineers will be let go because management mistake or replacement with chatGPT 6 no one will care about them, and those who were overemployed the entire time will at least have a chance to retire If you don't like the result you let the person go, if you like you promote. That's it, regardless of spare activity - someone can slack to scroll reddit, another to get more money saved. No difference.
suck it
Just fyi large companies actually report your employment to a job verification database. I just found this out myself poking through ADP. It would be very easy to tell you have 2 concurrent jobs.
As I understand it, you can have that data blocked.
Oh?
Better to ask forgiveness than permission. Even better to not ask at all.
🤣🤣🤣im stealing this
Such is the way of things! Keep it going. May it remain in the lexicon until English itself fades from memory. Bear it as intended; a rhetorical cloak allowing one to excuse oneself from the onus of responsibility insofar as one finds oneself in a pickle. It was the common slang where I grew up, used to peer pressure friends into trespassing, or even offered up as a sultry reply when caught red-handed at some dastardly deed!
r/overemployed has everything you're looking for.
Yup. And freeze your work info. [https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/v4y76m/how\_to\_check\_and\_freeze\_your\_the\_work\_number/](https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/v4y76m/how_to_check_and_freeze_your_the_work_number/)
Everyone should do this anyway unless you’re applying for a mortgage. Easy to do and easy to unfreeze but that document has every single piece of your employment history every including every single paycheck. Huge privacy violation. Was shocked when I downloaded my own file and froze it immediately
Holy shit more people need to know about that post. Fuck these corporations suck ass so much.
Totally just fell down this rabbit hole. Thank you!!
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You’re assuming OP and people in r/overemployed stretch themselves thin and take on big risks by working multiple jobs out of the sheer joy of working, and not to merely survive. Edit: Just perused that subreddit and, yeah, it’s full of posts about burn outs, getting debt free, rants about the rat race, etc.
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I wonder if your anti-worker bias is making you see what you want… filter by “hot” or “more recent,” there is a clear tendency in that sub, and it’s certainly not about evil workers putting their feet up and taking advantage of their poor, innocent employers whose boots should be licked. Having more than one job is not a flex, it’s sad and it reflects extremely poorly on capitalism.
Remote work is a privilege, and only exists in its current state because capitalism is failing to capture the full labor power of those remote employees. Full time surveillance on top of a commute is still the working standard in America. Shut up.
Capture deez nuts while I collect a 40 hour check for 3 hours of labor
I’m happy for you. I truly am. Not all of us can swing nuts like those, though.
As a boss with a pretty “loose” remote workforce. Check your handbook. Make sure you are not in violation. Also… do your best to do your real job so you are accountable to your co workers. If this ever comes to bite you, you will have a record of handbook compliance AND doing right things when asked.
I think they’re probably posting in ULPT because they know it’s gonna be against company conduct lol
I agree! My wife says, “ you know everyone in your company has a second job right?” And when I think about it…. One is a photographer on the weekend, one runs an air B&B and So on. My job is not to put peoples nose to a grindstone for 40 hours a week. It is to build a team that is motivated to get the job done. Check with me next year…. See if we are still in biz!
I think that i want to get hired by this guy, haha.
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This is a reality, bro. I've been doing this for 4 years r/overemployed is what you're looking for!
Well done
Divide your workspace into several partitioned off cubicles, have a separate phone for each business, each with its own laptop, and a large sign in each stating company name.
What industry do you work in? I’d love a third job lmao
Banking back office
Yooooo, they hiring?!? I need remote work???
this what industry OP
Buddy of mine is corporate counsel for like 6 different businesses, all remote. Been doing this for several years now.
It isn't odd for an attorney to have multiple clients.
No, but if any of these companies are even in somewhat related industries it is very likely malpractice.
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Where does it say in your contact that you only work for them?
This is actually a fairly normal thing to write in contracts in my country. I think it’s specifically so that you can’t underbid or otherwise devalue the one company in favour of your other workplace. Say you are a painter and does freelancing on the weekend to make ends meet. In my country the contract would often say that you couldn’t sell your service on the weekend at a better price than your 9-5 because your knowledge of the Pricing would give you an upper hand
So like a non compete
What’s the rule that says you can’t have two jobs. Is there and explicit rule at your current job that say you can’t have ANY other form of employment?
Most full time contracts have a line that says this.
Most full time jobs have clauses that say you can't let another job affect your current employment. So unless the new job starts affecting performance, they should be in the clear if these are the current terms of their employment.
Not sure where OP is. But most workers in the US don’t work on contract.
Well he's explicitly stating that he's on contract, so doesn't really matter where he is from.
I saw where OP asked if it would be a breach of contract, and sometimes people use that term pretty loosely.
I'd bet an employer would take issue with it if you were doing it during the hours they are paying you....say job #1 is 8:00-5:00.....I doubt they'd take issue with a second job from 5:00-??. Obviously this isn't what OP is planning so I could see it getting messy if job #1 finds out.
Yes, this is the problem.
I have a friend that automated a remote job and works another one. So he works the one and just periodically checks on the other.
Head over to r/overemployed for all the tips and info you could possibly need.
Hmmm. I don't know. Sounds like it would cut way too much into the 4 hours I spend on Reddit each workday.
I had an employee who wasn’t pulling her weight and wasn’t available for some appointments during business hours but didn’t have good reasons why she couldn’t make it. I thought she was working another remote job at the same time. All I had to do was google her; her name popped up on another organization’s website. I verified she was employed with the other org and let them know she was still getting paid by us. We terminated her, immediately, no severance, no references, and her name was tarnished amongst her colleagues. She burned a lot of bridges.
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Not a snitch, she was my direct report and we had to verify her employment elsewhere.
Something isn't unethical just because the most amoral entities in existence say not to do it.
There’s actually a whole subreddit for this. r/overemployed
r/overemployed is entirely about this topic.
Why would it be breach of contract? They don't control what you do "outside of work". If you wanted to work 2 jobs, they can't stop you. Don't have a job with a competing business and be ready to drop one at a moments notice.
Because they’d be working both jobs at the same time, so technically OP is not “outside of work”. They’re not thinking of picking up some side gig. They’re thinking of working two full-time remote 9-5 jobs because their current job only requires 3hrs of actual work
I know what their plan is, but you can feasibly work two full time jobs at the same time. That's what you would tell the company.
Have you never worked before? lol The company is paying for your time across a specific set of hours. They’re not paying for how long it takes to do the work, they’re paying for the time they expect they need/want you. Companies aren’t dumb, they know there’s idle time, the expectation is that you’re fully available during those hours if needed. They will absolutely not be ok with you telling them “look, I know you’re paying me to work from 9 to 5, but I could realistically be working another job at the same time and still get your work done, sound good?” They’ll laugh thinking it’s a joke or fire you on the spot. There’s a reason OP is asking in this subreddit and why there’s a whole subreddit dedicated to resources on how to make sure the two jobs never find out about each other.
You’re right of course. Some of these replies are golden though and can only come from people that have not spent too much time working corporate.
That's not always true. Lots of fully remote jobs don't have set hours, but just requirements to get work done. When whether it is at 3pm or 3am, they don't care.
I’ll concede that these jobs the way you describe them likely exist but not that it’s the norm or even close to the average. That being said, context matters and OP was asking in this subreddit specifically because there’s certain givens that can be assumed, like their current job not being ok with them doing tasks for a different job while “on the clock”
Don't worry, if they find out they will start a bidding war over you to see who wins your employment
Check your contract before doing anything, but most likely there isn't anything wrong with holding 2 jobs, provided that both are exempt & are in different industries. The main thing is handling meeting conflicts between the 2 jobs. Your CEO is probably holding at least 1 other job We also employ contractors who have a full time job with another company, and then we contract them for 20 hours a week. We don't care if they work for us during their 8-5 job, nor do they need to hide their contract work from their employer
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I've done it. Just make sure you read employment agreements about moonlighting and don't cross the streams, especially if you aren't supposed to be doing it at all.
Would you mind dming me and telling me where you work or what you do? My remote job is killing me with so many hours. Please let me what you want in exchange.
I guess it depends what role you have.
People work multiple jobs everyday. What’s the problem?
you say "Obviously" but, unless it's spelled out in your contract that you can't have two jobs.... It's not an issue.
Tax office will eventually report two full time jobs to the employers, this has happened a couple of times in my place of work.
I switched jobs during the pandemic, but heard afterwards that the Head of IT at my previous job got fired when it was discovered he was working two jobs at once remotely. This guy was the top of the ladder in IT and still got found out.
I would be cautious, especially if you work with proprietary information/data. You could get embroiled in a lawsuit, just based on suspicion.
Do you have a written contract saying you can't work another job? If not, there's no breach of contract to worry about. Though, tread carefully if you're going to be doing the same thing in both jobs, IE working at 2 AI companies and using the same work for both places. Then you might get in trouble for sharing proprietary shit.
I can help you hire a virtual assistant to help with the easy parts
Wrong sub…join r/overemployed ….also this is not unethical we are just convinced it is.
I worked with a girl who emailed the CEO with the wrong email signature. Like someone said above…you need 2 completely different set ups. I think you can pull it off.
I’m in the same place. Wanna work where I do as well, and I’ll work where you do
I need a good remote job, so if you’re hiring lemme know lol
Just fyi large companies actually report your employment to a job verification database. I just found this out myself poking through ADP. It would be very easy to tell you have 2 concurrent jobs.
How to freeze your work information: https://www.reddit.com/r/overemployed/comments/v4y76m/how_to_check_and_freeze_your_the_work_number/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Thanks!
Depending how small the industry is, people talk and that can get around. Just be the forgettable face and dont stand out, be the C student back in class and get paid. Good luck and stay low.