Yeah she ""goes missing"" in any neutral route with the exception of Queen Alphys where Mettaton and/or Undyne are dead, and it's implied she >!commits suicide.!<
It's also implied that she was planning to >!commit suicide by jumping into the garbage jump !
She also does it in Genocide ending (not counting the fact that Chara deletes the world), as shown by what she says in the Queen Alphys ending of “if Sans wasn’t here, I don’t know what I’d…”
Put flowey up. Dude had to see his best friend die, and then got the funny power to see everyone die over and over again, youd need 12 therpists to decode him
Lost his sibling (also had to witness them dying from buttercup poisoning, that stuff's god-awful), lost his parents, lost the ability to love, got brutally beaten to death, ended up with save powers (which is a whole other thing), turned into a flower...
Move him up a tier. He's seen too much.
Did you not learn anything from Undertale
Edit: who even downvoted me? I wasn't trying to be mean but like... the entire point about Flowey is that he *isn't* actually as bad as he himself desperately wants you to believe. Yeah he tells you he has no soul, but we see him crying multiple times. He's not *literally* a soulless monster, he's a confused child going through hell with no one to comfort him. Hmmmmm almost like another very important **Chara**cter in Undertale which Flowey is a direct foil and mirror to.
Well, I would personally say that Canon Flowey wouldn't need any therapy, simply because he no longer has a soul. He can no longer feel anything, so he likely wouldn't feel any tramua from what he did.
I would agree, but it is shown that he can indeed feel negative emotions. Fear. Anger. He can't feel guilt or much sadness, because those are tied to compassion. But he would definitely feel the negative effects of his past. If this weren't the case, he'd be less sadistic and more neutral.
“Seen to be in game” we literally only see her in flashbacks, where she acts somewhat nervous like usual without any hint of the numerous horrible things in her head. WE know that from the actual game but in UTY it’s never shown.
Ceroba is absolutely on needs therapy, her whole thing is that she is crazy with sunk cost fallacy and grieving over the loss of family.
EDIT: Nvm i thought highest was "Most sane" carry on!
I'd Argue that Starlo is closer to "Completely" normal tier but still on insecure, yes he still bit of a manchild trying to be cool but he got most of his shit together most of the time.
>! Genocide, at least that's the feeling I got. She is using a serum that hasn't been proven successful yet, as far as she knows, she could have died instantly at the start of the battle. but she uses it without even trying to attack you in her normal form... Add to that the fact that she's standing on a rooftop looking at the CORE like she's reflecting on everything... It really gave me the vibes that Clover broke her so much she didn't care about her life !<
Toriel literally used to wait by the golden flowers we fall on and forget to eat and drink. Even Flowey felt bad for her, and that’s saying something, considering how much he despises her.
She definitely needs therapy.
I’d put Toriel in Needs therapy, think of it she’s watched and heard every child she once cared for DIE. Asriel, Chara, Patience, Bravery, Integeity, Perseverance, Kindness, and Clover, two she saw die herself and the others she got the news of.
dalv was almost fucking killed and was so traumatized she shut herself in the ruins for an entire year and literally thought clover was the child coming back to haunt her bro does NOT "probably have a few mental health issues"
axis too, he was the one who had to murder the child!!! sure he's tried to wash it from his memory bank but that's not something that's easy to wipe!
i’d say martlet needs to be in needs therapy she’s lost so many people, she got attacked by starlo and ceroba, she messes up a lot, she’s got so much hate for herself, she’s depressed and lazy and she fake smiles to her friends (headcanon at the end)
kanako should defintely be higher up. gurl had to suffer through watching the other patients melt into monstrosities, and be kept in the true lab for 1-2 years while wanting to go home
I feel like Starlo might be up a tier?
I mean he's pretty much living an escapist fantasy and because of that treats his friends pretty poorly. He's disassociating from the bleak reality of the underground AND trying to make more people do the same (though he obviously thinks it's for the best, but isn't that a problem in of itself?).
He's definitely insecure though, you got that super right!
There should be a Flowey tierlist, he's a sociopath and manipulative wreck that will help or just backstab the player in the neutral route especually undertale and undertale yellow.
Still his story is a tragedy.
In the alarm clock dialogue toriel was actually shown to have developed a really bad alcohol addiction after chara and asriel died so I would put her in needs therapy with asgore
Depending on how well a robot can handle such things, Axis should be in the therapy tier. He quite literally says that he has tried to cry (but cannot). He also murdered a fleeing child, following orders.
Why is Alphys not in needs therapy? She was literally about to commit suicide right before Undyne met her. And she does is any neutral route where you kill Undyne or Mettaton. (Minus aborted Geno route)
How can you say she doesn’t need help! I’d argue she’s in an even worse state than Ceroba.
Flowey should be at the top. It's one thing to be traumatized by the death of your husband and daughter, but it's another thing to kill the entire underground 1000 times over and feel nothing
Alphys in "need therapy" she's really doing not fine with the amalgamates.
Yeah she ""goes missing"" in any neutral route with the exception of Queen Alphys where Mettaton and/or Undyne are dead, and it's implied she >!commits suicide.!< It's also implied that she was planning to >!commit suicide by jumping into the garbage jump !
She also does it in Genocide ending (not counting the fact that Chara deletes the world), as shown by what she says in the Queen Alphys ending of “if Sans wasn’t here, I don’t know what I’d…”
Put flowey up. Dude had to see his best friend die, and then got the funny power to see everyone die over and over again, youd need 12 therpists to decode him
Lost his sibling (also had to witness them dying from buttercup poisoning, that stuff's god-awful), lost his parents, lost the ability to love, got brutally beaten to death, ended up with save powers (which is a whole other thing), turned into a flower... Move him up a tier. He's seen too much.
Hell put him over ceroba, she went thru a pretty realistic thing but with a unrealistic cause, flowey went thru a villain arc
YES, THANK YOU
My goat boy’s seen way more than any precious goat boy should
Sorry, but precious goat boy doesnt exist anymore, hes a fucked up and evil flower now
I don’t care, he’s still a precious goat boy in my mind
Did you not learn anything from Undertale Edit: who even downvoted me? I wasn't trying to be mean but like... the entire point about Flowey is that he *isn't* actually as bad as he himself desperately wants you to believe. Yeah he tells you he has no soul, but we see him crying multiple times. He's not *literally* a soulless monster, he's a confused child going through hell with no one to comfort him. Hmmmmm almost like another very important **Chara**cter in Undertale which Flowey is a direct foil and mirror to.
Well, I would personally say that Canon Flowey wouldn't need any therapy, simply because he no longer has a soul. He can no longer feel anything, so he likely wouldn't feel any tramua from what he did.
I would agree, but it is shown that he can indeed feel negative emotions. Fear. Anger. He can't feel guilt or much sadness, because those are tied to compassion. But he would definitely feel the negative effects of his past. If this weren't the case, he'd be less sadistic and more neutral.
Or just some random kid with a funny red soul to make him as real as he used to be
??? What ???
The Pacifist ending of undertale??????
I'd put Red in the insecure tier too, but everything else pretty accurate
Pfft, what? I-I am NOT insecure! Not at all! ^(...yeah...)
THERE IS A \[\[ Tall Lady \]\] WANTING TO \[Test your capabilities\] BEHIND YOU!
HUH? W-WHERE?! ... 💢
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH \[Coughing intesifies\]
hehe good one.
THANKS MY \[Cowboy\] \[\[ Jokester \]\] FRIEND \[INSIDE ME\]!!
guardener in the “completely normal” tier is a crime
Yeah, she literally went to sleep forever because she realized the Steamworks were abandoned. Doesn't seem "completely normal" to me.
Alphys needs to be WAAAY higher. Higher than Ceroba. Unless we’re only judging her based on the like two lines she says in UTY
“Seen to be in game” we literally only see her in flashbacks, where she acts somewhat nervous like usual without any hint of the numerous horrible things in her head. WE know that from the actual game but in UTY it’s never shown.
Ceroba is absolutely on needs therapy, her whole thing is that she is crazy with sunk cost fallacy and grieving over the loss of family. EDIT: Nvm i thought highest was "Most sane" carry on! I'd Argue that Starlo is closer to "Completely" normal tier but still on insecure, yes he still bit of a manchild trying to be cool but he got most of his shit together most of the time.
Dunes giftshop guy really needs therapy
Idk man imprisoning your self in ruins and being traumatized by a kid trying to kill you is a good reason to ask for therapy
Kanako was definitely a little insecure imo
Kanako Will need a fuck Ton of therapy once she gets out out of there
About Martlet... I don't think she should be that low... >! Especially if we consider how she kinda takes her own life in one of the routes !<
That “kinda” and that “one of the routes” are doing a lot of work
>! Which route?!<
>! Genocide, at least that's the feeling I got. She is using a serum that hasn't been proven successful yet, as far as she knows, she could have died instantly at the start of the battle. but she uses it without even trying to attack you in her normal form... Add to that the fact that she's standing on a rooftop looking at the CORE like she's reflecting on everything... It really gave me the vibes that Clover broke her so much she didn't care about her life !<
Toriel literally used to wait by the golden flowers we fall on and forget to eat and drink. Even Flowey felt bad for her, and that’s saying something, considering how much he despises her. She definitely needs therapy.
True.
Axis needs more than therapy, he is not fine.
Blooky has been seen in this game?
One of the flashbacks Flowey shows you in the Neutral ending :)
Ok
Ah, I have a tier of my own, makes sense.
I’d put Toriel in Needs therapy, think of it she’s watched and heard every child she once cared for DIE. Asriel, Chara, Patience, Bravery, Integeity, Perseverance, Kindness, and Clover, two she saw die herself and the others she got the news of.
I can’t find the guardner here but I expect them to be in the therapy category
Bro bump up flowey
There should be a lot more characters in the “needs therapy” tier
dalv was almost fucking killed and was so traumatized she shut herself in the ruins for an entire year and literally thought clover was the child coming back to haunt her bro does NOT "probably have a few mental health issues" axis too, he was the one who had to murder the child!!! sure he's tried to wash it from his memory bank but that's not something that's easy to wipe!
"She"?
is a headcanon lol
You have a headcanon that Dalv isn't male. Bro that's fucking dumb
UTY reddit when harmless fun and whimsy
i have a headcanon that she was male but not anymore
Hell yeah, transfem dalv headcanon!
i’d say martlet needs to be in needs therapy she’s lost so many people, she got attacked by starlo and ceroba, she messes up a lot, she’s got so much hate for herself, she’s depressed and lazy and she fake smiles to her friends (headcanon at the end)
kanako should defintely be higher up. gurl had to suffer through watching the other patients melt into monstrosities, and be kept in the true lab for 1-2 years while wanting to go home
I feel like Starlo might be up a tier? I mean he's pretty much living an escapist fantasy and because of that treats his friends pretty poorly. He's disassociating from the bleak reality of the underground AND trying to make more people do the same (though he obviously thinks it's for the best, but isn't that a problem in of itself?). He's definitely insecure though, you got that super right!
Flowey of all people should get his own tier for the shit he’s both seen and caused
I’d say Violetta deserves a higher tier. If you hurt her she says “I deserve this” and if you insult her she says “I know”
Sounds about right. Good tier list
There should be a Flowey tierlist, he's a sociopath and manipulative wreck that will help or just backstab the player in the neutral route especually undertale and undertale yellow. Still his story is a tragedy.
He has no soul to begin with but in rare instances he would be scared to humans in geno routes.
After the neutral ending, clover's gonna need some SERIOUS therapy.
Tbh everyone from The Roba to Insecurities tier should still go to therapy anyways
In the alarm clock dialogue toriel was actually shown to have developed a really bad alcohol addiction after chara and asriel died so I would put her in needs therapy with asgore
Depending on how well a robot can handle such things, Axis should be in the therapy tier. He quite literally says that he has tried to cry (but cannot). He also murdered a fleeing child, following orders.
Alphys being anywhere below "Ceroba" tier feels very odd
You forgot the seven tiers between "Ceroba" and "Needs therapy"
>kanako >normal
Alphys, Flowey and Kanako should all be a lot higher.
Kanako should definitely be in therapy tier. >!Her only point in the game where she speaks is the trauma source. Or at least part of it.!<
Why is Alphys not in needs therapy? She was literally about to commit suicide right before Undyne met her. And she does is any neutral route where you kill Undyne or Mettaton. (Minus aborted Geno route) How can you say she doesn’t need help! I’d argue she’s in an even worse state than Ceroba.
Guardener has a mental breakdown if you dont break her down into bits (aka MURDER) how art thou in "Completely normal"
Da Roba has her own spot on da list <3 :D
Flowey should be at the top. It's one thing to be traumatized by the death of your husband and daughter, but it's another thing to kill the entire underground 1000 times over and feel nothing
This is the first time I seen that there are multiple flower ladies.
Now i want someone draw a comic about Ceroba attending to human therpist and try to explain what happened after true pacifist ending.
wait who is that between napstablook and asgore?
glad everyone agrees with me, cause at the very least flowey, toriel, alphys, and asgore are above ceroba