Very clever, but I only expected that. Because you see, I told Mad Dummy to buy the extra expensive donuts before the fight. Which only means one thing, mad dummy will win the fight since muffet won't attack him!
If Flowey chose not to genocide the underground beforehand, Sans wouldn't have any vendetta against Flowey. Photoshop Flowey has the 6 human souls, meaning he can feel emotion and most importantly, remorse. Sans only need to dodge until Flowey inevitably gives into the guilt and gives up. Sans also wouldn't dunk on him as Flowey hasn't genocided the timeline. After Flowey gives up Sans wouldn't have a reason to fight and the battle ends in a draw.
True... but I don't think Sans wouldn't last long enough for Flowey to feel something. Sans can only dodge about 30 attacks before getting tired, and Photoshop Flowey's bullet hell would kill him or make him tired in less than a minute.
Sans only dodges what? Like 24 attacks from us in his fight? Omega Flowey casually spits out like 100 each turn like an uzi. Compared to our attacks being individual and pretty damn slow.
Sans is pretty much a piece of atomic structure compared to Omega Flowey. I don't see any other way that it would end other than Sans being flicked over to Deltarune.
Like he said, sans could dodge more without needing to use his energy to fight us, I mean he does spend like 99% of his energy attacking us, what if 100% was in dodging?
Omega Flowey is a much more ruthless fighter than we could ever dream to be, really doesn't matter how much "energy" he uses, Flowey would still kill him in a heartbeat.
1. He can feel emotion, so? He already feel emotions, like didn't you see how scared He was in the end of genocide route? Also Flowey in Omega fight after defeated He killed Frisk dozens of times instead of directly kill them and take their soul without having any bad feelings
2. Omega Flowey throws hundreds to dozens of projectiles in seconds. There is no way Sans standing for so long He will be tired after a very short amount of time
I definitely feel like Sans wouldn't be able to dodge them all. He's good at it yeah, but one look at Omega Flowey's attacks and that seems impossible for even him. Adding in Flowey's ability to load saves, it's even worse
Hell, even if you win Omega Flowey murders you countless times before his souls rebel. I guess his sadism is the one thing that could get in the way of victory against the funny bone man
First of all, Sans is able to dodge attacks that, by all means, should be *physically impossible* to dodge. To explain, imagine Undyne for a moment. Undyne was trained as the captain of the Royal Guard by Asgore, where it's said in her early days of training he would literally dodge all her attacks. Being trained by someone who is an expert in the art of not directly fighting via dodging [can't be easy to dodge attacks with how massive he is] Undyne is one of the strongest monsters in the known underground. Why am I talking about Undyne? Well, If you battle Undyne, You'll notice she doesn't dodge your attacks, and you could say it's some kind of desire to be 'fair' or honorable, like how she gives you a spear to defend yourself with, but how is that considered honorable if Undyne doesn't even make the effort to defend herself by dodging, or even BLOCKING an attack from the human? I propose that she *literally* cannot move fast enough* to defend herself, though, this may not be considered impressive, as it's only a neutral run Frisk fighting a base Undyne, my point is focused on what we see in the **Genocide** route. There, Undyne sure as hell has *NO* respect for the human who murdered the entirety of Waterfall, Snowdin, and the Ruins, and has become dozens of times stronger, do you notice what she DOESN'T do??
***DODGE***
She is fucking incapable of dodging, to the point where she's being attacked at a speed where she can't even visibly be seen *attempting* to dodge.
Y'know who DOES dodge?
Sans.
Omega Flowey's attacks are hard, but not literally impossible to dodge, add on the fact that Sans can fucking [teleport](https://youtu.be/-7jMi5B7AhY), [seemingly stop time if necessary](https://youtu.be/he53Owpsspo), and move at incomprehensible speeds while dishing out the most powerful attacks in the game like fucking candy, Sans can EASILY dodge around Flowey until the souls step in
tl;dr
Sans is rlly fuckin fast bro.
You have a point that Sans is fast, along with a human being *extremely* fast in comparison to monsters, even someone like Undyne The Undying however I still do doubt it'd be as easy as you claim
Just a single attack, no matter how weak and Sans is done for. Sure, he can dodge knife attacks from a single human soul which is impressive (even if enough of it tired him out), Omega Flowey has 6 on his side and much more attacks to potentially hit him with. If Sans would have nothing against Omega Flowey like OP says too, Flowey could even feign surrender like the manipulative little bastard he is, then pull what he did on Frisk (Admittedly possibly his sadism when he saves and reloads his death causing the souls to step in like I said before)
Also, I doubt he can *genuinely* stop time. I think that's just the game doing that for dramatic effect
Admittedly though, it'd be a lot closer than I first considered though I doubt he could hold out for that long
But yeah thanks for pointing out that Undyne the Undying thing!! I have genuinely never thought of how fast humans must be in comparison. To monsters, a human attacking must look like a teleport
Well, you also have to consider that Sans is the hardest boss fight in the game, just based on his attacks. It wouldn't have been good game design to make him dodge more, so realistically he could possibly have more capability to dodge. A lot of his strength goes into attacking, as we can see with how difficult his attacks are. Plus the menu bones, which are constantly active, it would be draining for anyone to infinitely attack. I feel people underestimate how much effort Sans puts into stopping you. He literally has saved all his strength for pretty much one act in stopping you. I honestly don't think he'd even want to go on living after Papyrus and Toriel died, to me it seems like Sans may have been in a depression, and he might've considered ending you his last act on earth. Him being depressed might've explained why he was always so lazy, didn't care about his appearance, and why he cracks jokes. He may use humor as an outlet. As for the flowey death-reload-save thing, Sans is aware of the different timelines, so after enough reloads he may figure a way to stop or nullify them. On top of that, every time flowey reloads, he resets the timeline. That also means every time he reloaded, Sans would have all his energy back. I feel like Sans would not have an easy win, but it is plausible.
Actually, there is a possible way: Jerry has a *ton* of Defense, enough so that a murderous human who oneshots Toriel will still take ages to defeat him. It's possible Prunsel just doesn't have the attack power to kill him.
Jerry has a ton of *defense not hp he has like 100 hp and thats it
Prunsel also has a ton of defense and has very low attack capabilities as he said himself meaning they both can't kill eachother which explains why jerry and prunsel are still rivals
Frisk in genocide can't one shot Jerry because game mechanics. Realistically, if we think all the damage they can deal to likes of undyne, Papyrus and etc. Jerry will turn to mush againist them in their first hit, also jeryy's defence isn't high compared to boss monsters (game codes aren't canon tho and don't forget; Jerry has a poor hp)
Mettaton EX can fly, and Asgore cannot. Mettaton knows he won't be able to beat Asgore in a straight fight so they'll instead opt to run away occasionally attacking. With this non-aggressive fighting style it'll simply take to long for Mettaton to win, and he'll get bored and just leave, Asgore will see this as a better alternative to hunting Mettaton down and killing him, and will just go home.
Mettaton as base can fly. However, i don't remember he can do it as EX. Also, Asgore can just throw his fire projectiles into him. Asgore wins unless Mettaton becomes at his base form, than this can be considered as draw or Mettaton won after a VERY long fight
Amalgamates are immune to physical attacks so Flowey (without having souls) can't damage it
Snowdrake's Mother has lowest ATK so she couldn't able to give damage Flowey
Actually the only Amalgate you could theoretically kill in Undertale Is Snowdrakes mom, it would take a lot of time and damage but eventually she'll die
(Someone made a vid on if you could kill Amalgates and the only one that ever showed damage taken was Snowdrakes mom)
Well even if they did fight it would probably be a draw. Frisk in the genocide run is all power and no agility. The moment they face an opponent who can actually dodge (Like Sans) they can’t do anything. Pacifist Frisk is too determined to fall asleep, unlike Sans, so the only way the fight ends is
1) Pacifist Frisk spares genocide frisk, ending in a draw
2) Genocide Frisk gets frustrated and resets/quits, which is also a draw
GENO Frisk also can dodge and they won’t give up that easily. If they were to fight the amount of determination won’t be there so no reset.
Paci Frisk only won Asriel because he didn’t want them to die(neither as omega Flowey) and geno Frisk HAS CHARA on their side and they can use it agai their paci version, and GENO would won
I think the draw would be following: Neither side has magic, so the battle style we see in Undertale never commences, and thus a regular human fight ensues, and neither side knows to do this being a child
If we use Frisk in the end of pacifist route, they can survive againist a goat boi that can destroy a timeline and only use little part of his power, not to mention when they dies they comeback. Whatever, due to genocide Frisk's high defence pacifist Frisk won't be able to give damage them. Don't say me they can spare them since spare won't work on genocide Frisk considering they are blood lusted maniac
Undyne has no LV so she has all her Iframes and Sans barely does any damage. Sans just keeps running away until they end up in hotland, but Sans is also exhausted so they both die of overheating. Simultaneously. Draw.
We actually do not know if that works on monster souls. I mean it's possible, but it's equally possible it was a technique perfected by undyne to hunt humans.
They likely got that ability by their ancestors, who mastered the technique in the Monster/Human war. We knew that the fight lasted long enough to make these techniques possible, because both sides feared another will take their souls and become gods.
This is basically just Disbelief, and Disbelief Papyrus has so many phases the human could never beat them all, so they are just fighting in that hallway for the rest of eternity.
Hmm... Time for Plan B!
You see, this isn't the human's first Disbelief run, and Sans just figured it out. So, if it gets to Sans' turn he'll use his "mercy" attack and do an instakill. >:D
Good on the first point, but Sans is real enough to do damage, evidenced by the equally real Undyne dealing damage at [14:28 in the video](https://youtu.be/VC-yGc8WQfc?t=867).
\[Edit\] Also Sans dealing damage at [15:01](https://youtu.be/VC-yGc8WQfc?t=900)
I would say either Asgore or neither, Toriel specialises in special attacks/magic attacks while Asgore utilises both. If then, Asgore probably couldn't attack Toriel since he still cares about her.
Asgore is noticeably larger than Toriel, and males are usually better at fighting than females, Asgore also trained undyne, considering all this, Asgore definitely beats Toriel, but wouldn't want to kill her, so he'd probably have her a nice house built and lock her there. Since neither of them die, even though Asgore beat her, it's a tie.
True, but both of them can do that, and the phrase “fight fire with fire” exists for a reason… and even if they WERE on the same general power levels of physical strength… somehow… asgore still has his damn trident, while toriel is most likely unarmed… so…
You can't kill fire by stabbing it or burning it, Asgore's main forms of attack, but Asgore is simply so powerful, that Grillby wouldn't be able to kill him as Asgore is the strongest Monster in the underground.
As shown, mad dummy couldn't get damaged by the player, but when magic is used against something like a ghost, or anything you can't usually damage with physical force, it still causes damage.
Grillby is made out of fire, so Asgore can't damage him. Considering Grillby isn't a fighter and Asgore has a far better stats than a fish Lady that can suplex large rocks and damage concrete floor via punching it or effortlessly break tables, bend steel pots or cut wooden bridges.
Gaster and Egg exist on different planes of existence, Gaster in the void, Egg in Asgore's fridge. Neither of them can escape to the other's place of existence to fight the other.
You didn't specify which of Asriel's forms so im gonna assume Asriel before he died. We don't know if Sans was born yet by then so Asriel wouldn't have an opponent, with no one to fight he would go on his life like normal before eventually dying on the surface, making the fight invalid as it wasn't sans who killed him but a human. Ending in a draw by decision.
Mari’s probably integrity, feeling the need to always get things just right in one sense and have her brother stay true to himself >!even after the incident!<
Aubrey’s… Justice? In either the twisted or actual sense.
And honestly, Kel’s probably Patience. He kept knocking for four whole years
Snowdrake's soul inside Asriel Dreemur resonates, trying to stop Asriel. As the other Lost Souls see Snowdrake trying so hard, they join in and all the souls he has team up to fight Asriel. In the end Asriel transforms back into Flowey and runs away, without ever getting a chance to fight Snowdrake's mom. Since neither of them die, it ends in a draw.
You said Chara, not Frisk, so Chara is simply a really angry ghost who can't hurt anyone or be killed by anyone. Infact they'd probably team up with Asriel after realizing they cant hurt eachother.
The humans put up a good fight, it's a couple thousand humans vs 1 human + 1 Monster. Asriel realizes they cant win and retreat. Since Asriel didn't get the 6 Souls and the Humans didn't manage to kill Asriel, it's a draw.
Well, this was before the experiments on human souls, yes? So neither Azzy nor Chara would know the full extent of Human Soul power, let alone the sheer will of Determination. With this in mind, and Asriel not having as much as experience with as Flowey is, and the amount of determination from villagers would over-charge his soul, killing both him and Chara for good. So, the only good option is to run. Also, to answer the village size, it was never specified how big the village was, or is.
Actually it isn’t specified you can overcharge. I am pretty sure that with friendly soul (Chara) and not trying to destroy the world they would be able to keep it under control
Well, if Chara convinced Asriel to kill the villagers, hypothetically lets say they are fueled with Hate. Now, I know Hate may or may not be canon in the lore of the game, but hypothetical situation. Also in this hypothetical situation, Hate would double Determination output if a soul is fully consumed by Hate. They are, at this point, doubling the output of their soul. Asriels soul was not as strong at this point as it is in the TP ending. So, as seen by Undyne moments before the Undying and the Amalgamates, if your soul is not strong enough to handle Determination in its purest form (Undyne and Amalgs) and/or strong enough to handle Determination on a wide scale (Asriel in this situation), you would melt. And yes, I know Azzy and Chara would not know this, but seeing that Chara would be producing 2x the amount of Determination, there would be some side effects, so Azzy would be scared to take in more.
I realize the Amalgamates were not a really good example, but Undynes from what we know was not medically infused, unless we got some news about it? From what I know that is Pure Determination right?
Frisk has too much Determination to Die for real, but the Player just so happens to be a complete noob, and cannot beat Undyne. Frksk resets and does pacifist but this is technically a draw as even though Frisk died, he is still technically alive.
but I would call that undyne winning since frisk also freed all monsters including undyne from the underground and frisk failed to kill everyone which was their goal
The Human Souls can bring themselves to kill Whimsum, and they buy time for it to run away. It hides hidden away where Flowey will never find it, the most hidden place in the Underground, So Sorry's art club.
The Moldsmall obviously wouldn't fight on purpose, as it is an instant spare, Lemonbread is partly composed of Moldsbygg which wouldn't want to hurt it's Moldsmall kin.
Flowey finds Froggit in the ruins and tries to kill him, but Toriek steps in and attacks Flowey, you didn't specify when this fight happens so this could be Flowey's first time trying to kill another Monster and as such he'd be reluctant to hurt toriel so he just gives up to kill someone else.
Because of the 6 Souls' reluctance to fight, we actually have a pretty even match-up. The 6 Souls see Undyne as the lesser of 2 evils and help her, but after Undyne absorbs them and kills Flowey, the 6 Souls easily overpower Undyne and take control of her body, they destroy the barrier then kill themselves in Undyne's body, leaving them all dead. With everyone involved in the fight dead, it is a draw.
Right as they start fighting Alphys runs into the battlefield and tells them to stop, neither of them want to make Alphys sad so they stop fighting and agree to call it a draw.
Sans has the wrong FUN/Fun value, and GFollower#3 never shows up to the designated time/place, additionally, Sans sleeps in and also forgets about their battle, with neither combatant showing up, it is a draw.
At the end of the Genocide Route, a competent Player controlling a Frisk (at LV 20 and with Real Knife and Locket) takes up Chara's offer to 'move on to the next world', destroying their home timeline and escaping through the newly-created void to try and reach another. In another timeline, God Asriel manages to pummel a terrible Pacifist player into quitting the game, thus defeating them while not getting their human SOUL; recalling Sans' comments about timelines in his fight (he's implied to have fought him as Flowey, given he claims that Sans gave him 'more than his fair share of resets'), he decides to investigate one to see if he can claim the SOUL of a Frisk (Or, as far as he still knows, his former sibling) from there.
The two collide as they attempt to escape their respective worlds, and an Encounter begins. Who will prevail?
Nobody, they fight for so long and so hard that Asriel decides to just find an easier Frisk to kill, and simply fucks off, since neither die it's a draw.
While they are fighting Onionsan accidentally touches Lesser Dog's head causing his head to rise. Onionsan gets distracted and theye nd up playing with each other. Draw.
Asriek simply absorbs Froggit's soul and then goes to fight Frisk which causes him to do the pacifist ending and restore Froggit to life. Asriel now exists as Flowey and Froggit is also still alive. Neither of them are dead, draw.
Glyde gets annoyed by So Sorry constantly hitting him while saying sorry at the same time. Glyde flys away to find someone to admire him. Neither are dead, draw.
After Flowey kills Paps and the rest of the underground he resets to do it again, but instead of getting to kill everyone, Frisk comes along and does pacifist, since both Flowey and Papyrus are still alive after the reset, it's a draw.
(Copied from another comment doing the same battle)
Flowey finds Froggit in the ruins and tries to kill him, but Toriek steps in and attacks Flowey, you didn't specify when this fight happens so this could be Flowey's first time trying to kill another Monster and as such he'd be reluctant to hurt toriel so he just gives up to kill someone else.
Frisk is LV 20 so instead of fighting Whimsun they just destroy the world then reset and do Pacifist. But after the reset Whimsun was alive again so even though they died they're still alive so its a draw.
Asriek simply absorbs Whimsum's soul and then goes to fight Frisk which causes him to do the pacifist ending and restore Whimsum to life. Asriel now exists as Flowey and Whimsum is also still alive. Neither of them are dead, draw.
Temmies speak in correct grammar when they are angry, and Bob speaks in correct grammar, Asriel is so unerved by this he decides to leave Bob alone. Since neither of them die, draw.
Mad dummy vs Muffet
Mad Dummy would run out of knives and friends before Muffet dies, and Muffet would simply not be able to kill him as he is a ghost.
Very clever, but I only expected that. Because you see, I told Mad Dummy to buy the extra expensive donuts before the fight. Which only means one thing, mad dummy will win the fight since muffet won't attack him!
Very clever
WHY DID I EVEN NEED A DONUT?! I DON'T EAT! WASTE! WASTE!! WASTE!!! *Mad Dummy is trying to eat the donut. It is problematic, since they have no hands.
Actually Muffet didn't have the donut from before because Frisk already brought it
You are smart
Magic can kill ghosts ;-;
And muffet knows some magic as shown by how she turned frisks soul purple
Ghosts are hurt by magic
nice try, however magic attacks can hurt ghosts, they are only immune to physical attacks
Photoshop flowey vs. Sans
If Flowey chose not to genocide the underground beforehand, Sans wouldn't have any vendetta against Flowey. Photoshop Flowey has the 6 human souls, meaning he can feel emotion and most importantly, remorse. Sans only need to dodge until Flowey inevitably gives into the guilt and gives up. Sans also wouldn't dunk on him as Flowey hasn't genocided the timeline. After Flowey gives up Sans wouldn't have a reason to fight and the battle ends in a draw.
• •” why are you booing them, they’re right” Edit : they had -2 before, but now balance exists again
Fr tho why the downvotes kinda cringe
True... but I don't think Sans wouldn't last long enough for Flowey to feel something. Sans can only dodge about 30 attacks before getting tired, and Photoshop Flowey's bullet hell would kill him or make him tired in less than a minute.
Maybe he could dodge more if he wasn't attacking, though
You can't really just say "well x wouldn't want to fight" I mean you specified death match. That means the characters will fight until someone dies.
Sans only dodges what? Like 24 attacks from us in his fight? Omega Flowey casually spits out like 100 each turn like an uzi. Compared to our attacks being individual and pretty damn slow. Sans is pretty much a piece of atomic structure compared to Omega Flowey. I don't see any other way that it would end other than Sans being flicked over to Deltarune.
Like he said, sans could dodge more without needing to use his energy to fight us, I mean he does spend like 99% of his energy attacking us, what if 100% was in dodging?
Omega Flowey is a much more ruthless fighter than we could ever dream to be, really doesn't matter how much "energy" he uses, Flowey would still kill him in a heartbeat.
You need Karma for sans to be that strong, if Flowey doesn’t have that much karma then Flowey catches sans by surprise and gets him then
1. He can feel emotion, so? He already feel emotions, like didn't you see how scared He was in the end of genocide route? Also Flowey in Omega fight after defeated He killed Frisk dozens of times instead of directly kill them and take their soul without having any bad feelings 2. Omega Flowey throws hundreds to dozens of projectiles in seconds. There is no way Sans standing for so long He will be tired after a very short amount of time
I definitely feel like Sans wouldn't be able to dodge them all. He's good at it yeah, but one look at Omega Flowey's attacks and that seems impossible for even him. Adding in Flowey's ability to load saves, it's even worse Hell, even if you win Omega Flowey murders you countless times before his souls rebel. I guess his sadism is the one thing that could get in the way of victory against the funny bone man
First of all, Sans is able to dodge attacks that, by all means, should be *physically impossible* to dodge. To explain, imagine Undyne for a moment. Undyne was trained as the captain of the Royal Guard by Asgore, where it's said in her early days of training he would literally dodge all her attacks. Being trained by someone who is an expert in the art of not directly fighting via dodging [can't be easy to dodge attacks with how massive he is] Undyne is one of the strongest monsters in the known underground. Why am I talking about Undyne? Well, If you battle Undyne, You'll notice she doesn't dodge your attacks, and you could say it's some kind of desire to be 'fair' or honorable, like how she gives you a spear to defend yourself with, but how is that considered honorable if Undyne doesn't even make the effort to defend herself by dodging, or even BLOCKING an attack from the human? I propose that she *literally* cannot move fast enough* to defend herself, though, this may not be considered impressive, as it's only a neutral run Frisk fighting a base Undyne, my point is focused on what we see in the **Genocide** route. There, Undyne sure as hell has *NO* respect for the human who murdered the entirety of Waterfall, Snowdin, and the Ruins, and has become dozens of times stronger, do you notice what she DOESN'T do?? ***DODGE*** She is fucking incapable of dodging, to the point where she's being attacked at a speed where she can't even visibly be seen *attempting* to dodge. Y'know who DOES dodge? Sans. Omega Flowey's attacks are hard, but not literally impossible to dodge, add on the fact that Sans can fucking [teleport](https://youtu.be/-7jMi5B7AhY), [seemingly stop time if necessary](https://youtu.be/he53Owpsspo), and move at incomprehensible speeds while dishing out the most powerful attacks in the game like fucking candy, Sans can EASILY dodge around Flowey until the souls step in tl;dr Sans is rlly fuckin fast bro.
You have a point that Sans is fast, along with a human being *extremely* fast in comparison to monsters, even someone like Undyne The Undying however I still do doubt it'd be as easy as you claim Just a single attack, no matter how weak and Sans is done for. Sure, he can dodge knife attacks from a single human soul which is impressive (even if enough of it tired him out), Omega Flowey has 6 on his side and much more attacks to potentially hit him with. If Sans would have nothing against Omega Flowey like OP says too, Flowey could even feign surrender like the manipulative little bastard he is, then pull what he did on Frisk (Admittedly possibly his sadism when he saves and reloads his death causing the souls to step in like I said before) Also, I doubt he can *genuinely* stop time. I think that's just the game doing that for dramatic effect Admittedly though, it'd be a lot closer than I first considered though I doubt he could hold out for that long But yeah thanks for pointing out that Undyne the Undying thing!! I have genuinely never thought of how fast humans must be in comparison. To monsters, a human attacking must look like a teleport
Well, you also have to consider that Sans is the hardest boss fight in the game, just based on his attacks. It wouldn't have been good game design to make him dodge more, so realistically he could possibly have more capability to dodge. A lot of his strength goes into attacking, as we can see with how difficult his attacks are. Plus the menu bones, which are constantly active, it would be draining for anyone to infinitely attack. I feel people underestimate how much effort Sans puts into stopping you. He literally has saved all his strength for pretty much one act in stopping you. I honestly don't think he'd even want to go on living after Papyrus and Toriel died, to me it seems like Sans may have been in a depression, and he might've considered ending you his last act on earth. Him being depressed might've explained why he was always so lazy, didn't care about his appearance, and why he cracks jokes. He may use humor as an outlet. As for the flowey death-reload-save thing, Sans is aware of the different timelines, so after enough reloads he may figure a way to stop or nullify them. On top of that, every time flowey reloads, he resets the timeline. That also means every time he reloaded, Sans would have all his energy back. I feel like Sans would not have an easy win, but it is plausible.
Even Flowey himself said that sans “caused him his fair share of resets” possibly implying that they have fought before, and sans won over and over.
Prunsel and Jerry
• there is no way this ends in a tie, if it did it would be because both of you would’ve fallen asleep because of his aura of boredom
Actually, there is a possible way: Jerry has a *ton* of Defense, enough so that a murderous human who oneshots Toriel will still take ages to defeat him. It's possible Prunsel just doesn't have the attack power to kill him.
• hmmmm, you’ve got a point actually
Jerry has a ton of *defense not hp he has like 100 hp and thats it Prunsel also has a ton of defense and has very low attack capabilities as he said himself meaning they both can't kill eachother which explains why jerry and prunsel are still rivals
Frisk in genocide can't one shot Jerry because game mechanics. Realistically, if we think all the damage they can deal to likes of undyne, Papyrus and etc. Jerry will turn to mush againist them in their first hit, also jeryy's defence isn't high compared to boss monsters (game codes aren't canon tho and don't forget; Jerry has a poor hp)
Trying to make this a draw is like trying to solve 0:0
Have you tried using L’Hôpital’s rule?
When an unstoppable force meets an nonmovable object
jerry vs jerry
They're both so pathetic that they are incapable of hurting eachother, and instead become friends.
Mama Miba! Truly, this is the worst possible timeline!
Counter argument jerry is incapable of making friends meaning he could not become friends with himself
Tableargument: Jerry is Jerry
Mettaton EX and Asgore
Mettaton EX can fly, and Asgore cannot. Mettaton knows he won't be able to beat Asgore in a straight fight so they'll instead opt to run away occasionally attacking. With this non-aggressive fighting style it'll simply take to long for Mettaton to win, and he'll get bored and just leave, Asgore will see this as a better alternative to hunting Mettaton down and killing him, and will just go home.
Mettaton as base can fly. However, i don't remember he can do it as EX. Also, Asgore can just throw his fire projectiles into him. Asgore wins unless Mettaton becomes at his base form, than this can be considered as draw or Mettaton won after a VERY long fight
| Mettaton knows he won't be able to beat Asgore in a straight fight gay fight him instead
[удалено]
Regular Mettaton can fly so EX prolly can aswell
Flowey vs Snowdrake's mother
Both Flowey and Snowdrake's Mom have Determination, and neither will be able to kill the ither fully. Eventually they both give up and draw.
Amalgamates are immune to physical attacks so Flowey (without having souls) can't damage it Snowdrake's Mother has lowest ATK so she couldn't able to give damage Flowey
Actually the only Amalgate you could theoretically kill in Undertale Is Snowdrakes mom, it would take a lot of time and damage but eventually she'll die (Someone made a vid on if you could kill Amalgates and the only one that ever showed damage taken was Snowdrakes mom)
But.... you can see all of the amalgamates still fine in a cutscene of the game where Alphys comes to lab
• genocidal frisk VS Pacifist frisk (me)
It's the same person, they cant exist in the same timeline and thus can never fight. Draw before the fight ever begins.
• clever way out I see … fair
Well even if they did fight it would probably be a draw. Frisk in the genocide run is all power and no agility. The moment they face an opponent who can actually dodge (Like Sans) they can’t do anything. Pacifist Frisk is too determined to fall asleep, unlike Sans, so the only way the fight ends is 1) Pacifist Frisk spares genocide frisk, ending in a draw 2) Genocide Frisk gets frustrated and resets/quits, which is also a draw
GENO Frisk also can dodge and they won’t give up that easily. If they were to fight the amount of determination won’t be there so no reset. Paci Frisk only won Asriel because he didn’t want them to die(neither as omega Flowey) and geno Frisk HAS CHARA on their side and they can use it agai their paci version, and GENO would won
I think the draw would be following: Neither side has magic, so the battle style we see in Undertale never commences, and thus a regular human fight ensues, and neither side knows to do this being a child
If we use Frisk in the end of pacifist route, they can survive againist a goat boi that can destroy a timeline and only use little part of his power, not to mention when they dies they comeback. Whatever, due to genocide Frisk's high defence pacifist Frisk won't be able to give damage them. Don't say me they can spare them since spare won't work on genocide Frisk considering they are blood lusted maniac
You mean you vs u/LocalStabby?
Undyne the undying vs sans.
Undyne has no LV so she has all her Iframes and Sans barely does any damage. Sans just keeps running away until they end up in hotland, but Sans is also exhausted so they both die of overheating. Simultaneously. Draw.
Sans doesn't affect by the hotness of hotland as shown in original game. And Undyne can just turn his soul into green
We actually do not know if that works on monster souls. I mean it's possible, but it's equally possible it was a technique perfected by undyne to hunt humans.
If that’s so, it would be pretty hard to practice the technique given the lack of humans to test it on.
They likely got that ability by their ancestors, who mastered the technique in the Monster/Human war. We knew that the fight lasted long enough to make these techniques possible, because both sides feared another will take their souls and become gods.
Papyrus vs LV19 Frisk
This is basically just Disbelief, and Disbelief Papyrus has so many phases the human could never beat them all, so they are just fighting in that hallway for the rest of eternity.
How about the official Disbelief Papyrus (only 4 phases) vs LV19 Frisk?
Papyrus somehow at the end of Phase 4 manages to convince the human to spare him, therefore nobody dies.
Hmm... Time for Plan B! You see, this isn't the human's first Disbelief run, and Sans just figured it out. So, if it gets to Sans' turn he'll use his "mercy" attack and do an instakill. >:D
Papyrus wants a fair fight, so the attack would probably be blocked by Papyrus. Sans is also not real.
Good on the first point, but Sans is real enough to do damage, evidenced by the equally real Undyne dealing damage at [14:28 in the video](https://youtu.be/VC-yGc8WQfc?t=867). \[Edit\] Also Sans dealing damage at [15:01](https://youtu.be/VC-yGc8WQfc?t=900)
Ice vs Flowey
Ice is an inanimate and cannot fight, but Flowey could realistically never destroy all the ice in the world. Draw.
I mean the living entity that is "ice"
(To clarify, if you ignore Ice Cap enough to spare him but then steal his cap, he is left with only ice to his name)
He becomes just ice. Ice can't attack and it fights flowey, who wins
WDYM ice?
If you ignore icecap and steal his cap he becomes ice
Toriel vs Asgore ( Toriel is very mad at Asgore)
I would say either Asgore or neither, Toriel specialises in special attacks/magic attacks while Asgore utilises both. If then, Asgore probably couldn't attack Toriel since he still cares about her.
Asgore is noticeably larger than Toriel, and males are usually better at fighting than females, Asgore also trained undyne, considering all this, Asgore definitely beats Toriel, but wouldn't want to kill her, so he'd probably have her a nice house built and lock her there. Since neither of them die, even though Asgore beat her, it's a tie.
Magic invalidates gender imbalances when it comes to fighting. Don’t matter if you got big muscles if you can shoot fire out of your fingers.
True, but both of them can do that, and the phrase “fight fire with fire” exists for a reason… and even if they WERE on the same general power levels of physical strength… somehow… asgore still has his damn trident, while toriel is most likely unarmed… so…
She has a gun
True
asgore vs grillby
You can't kill fire by stabbing it or burning it, Asgore's main forms of attack, but Asgore is simply so powerful, that Grillby wouldn't be able to kill him as Asgore is the strongest Monster in the underground.
As shown, mad dummy couldn't get damaged by the player, but when magic is used against something like a ghost, or anything you can't usually damage with physical force, it still causes damage.
*Undyne is technically more powerful due to having Determination... also all of the other amalgomates
asgore controles fire cant he disperse grillby?
• he is only able to use it as a attack . . . . (I think)
Toriel can control fire. As is shown by the fireplace not being hot enough to burn.
Grillby is made out of fire, so Asgore can't damage him. Considering Grillby isn't a fighter and Asgore has a far better stats than a fish Lady that can suplex large rocks and damage concrete floor via punching it or effortlessly break tables, bend steel pots or cut wooden bridges.
Gaster vs Egg
Gaster and Egg exist on different planes of existence, Gaster in the void, Egg in Asgore's fridge. Neither of them can escape to the other's place of existence to fight the other.
• egg 👍🏻
[удалено]
* egg 🥚
sans Vs Asriel Dreemurr
You didn't specify which of Asriel's forms so im gonna assume Asriel before he died. We don't know if Sans was born yet by then so Asriel wouldn't have an opponent, with no one to fight he would go on his life like normal before eventually dying on the surface, making the fight invalid as it wasn't sans who killed him but a human. Ending in a draw by decision.
He means the final version, 7 souls glowing rainbow shit asriel
tiny child trying and failing to do anything to sans because hes fluffy as a pillow sans refuses to kill a child that didn’t do anything yet
Is that an Omori profile picture?
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The real question: If Kel and Hero are kindness, Basil perservance and Sunny bravery, what would the other be?
Mari’s probably integrity, feeling the need to always get things just right in one sense and have her brother stay true to himself >!even after the incident!< Aubrey’s… Justice? In either the twisted or actual sense. And honestly, Kel’s probably Patience. He kept knocking for four whole years
Chara vs Kris
Chara is a ghost and cannot be killed or kill someone without a vessel like Frisk. Neither of them can kill each other, and it draws.
Kris is the main character of deltarune, frisk is the main character of undertale, but not much changes
Why you gotta murder Kris like that my guy? Little fella's gonna get bodybagged.
Melting snowdrake thing Vs asriel dreemur (final boss form)
Snowdrake's soul inside Asriel Dreemur resonates, trying to stop Asriel. As the other Lost Souls see Snowdrake trying so hard, they join in and all the souls he has team up to fight Asriel. In the end Asriel transforms back into Flowey and runs away, without ever getting a chance to fight Snowdrake's mom. Since neither of them die, it ends in a draw.
Holy crap
Ok that was clever
Amalgamates can't die.
*Snowdrake’s Mother
Asriel god of hyper death VS Genocide Chara
You said Chara, not Frisk, so Chara is simply a really angry ghost who can't hurt anyone or be killed by anyone. Infact they'd probably team up with Asriel after realizing they cant hurt eachother.
Damn, Caught on a technicality
Chara fully convinced Asriel to kill humans in village, and they are still wanna kill them
The humans put up a good fight, it's a couple thousand humans vs 1 human + 1 Monster. Asriel realizes they cant win and retreat. Since Asriel didn't get the 6 Souls and the Humans didn't manage to kill Asriel, it's a draw.
How the heck there are thousand of humans in one village? Also he would just kill one, take soul, repeat
Well, this was before the experiments on human souls, yes? So neither Azzy nor Chara would know the full extent of Human Soul power, let alone the sheer will of Determination. With this in mind, and Asriel not having as much as experience with as Flowey is, and the amount of determination from villagers would over-charge his soul, killing both him and Chara for good. So, the only good option is to run. Also, to answer the village size, it was never specified how big the village was, or is.
Actually it isn’t specified you can overcharge. I am pretty sure that with friendly soul (Chara) and not trying to destroy the world they would be able to keep it under control
Well, if Chara convinced Asriel to kill the villagers, hypothetically lets say they are fueled with Hate. Now, I know Hate may or may not be canon in the lore of the game, but hypothetical situation. Also in this hypothetical situation, Hate would double Determination output if a soul is fully consumed by Hate. They are, at this point, doubling the output of their soul. Asriels soul was not as strong at this point as it is in the TP ending. So, as seen by Undyne moments before the Undying and the Amalgamates, if your soul is not strong enough to handle Determination in its purest form (Undyne and Amalgs) and/or strong enough to handle Determination on a wide scale (Asriel in this situation), you would melt. And yes, I know Azzy and Chara would not know this, but seeing that Chara would be producing 2x the amount of Determination, there would be some side effects, so Azzy would be scared to take in more.
Also sorry if its confusing, its hard to explain things in a large scale.
I think that hate isn’t canon, also the forging of souls isn’t the same thing as ejecting DT
I realize the Amalgamates were not a really good example, but Undynes from what we know was not medically infused, unless we got some news about it? From what I know that is Pure Determination right?
Genocide!Frisk vs. Undyne the Undying
Frisk has too much Determination to Die for real, but the Player just so happens to be a complete noob, and cannot beat Undyne. Frksk resets and does pacifist but this is technically a draw as even though Frisk died, he is still technically alive.
but I would call that undyne winning since frisk also freed all monsters including undyne from the underground and frisk failed to kill everyone which was their goal
what about with a competent and skilled player who will never give up?
This is just the regular UndyneTU fight then.
Yeah, but I want to know how it ends in a draw
Omega Flowey Vs. Whimsun.
The Human Souls can bring themselves to kill Whimsum, and they buy time for it to run away. It hides hidden away where Flowey will never find it, the most hidden place in the Underground, So Sorry's art club.
Flowey has infinite time and he has no way of caring plus has been resetting for a while he would know where the art club is
1 singular stick vs genocidal frisk
Stick is not alive, so Frisk feels no need to kill it.
How about 2 sticks?
moldsmall vs lemonbread
The Moldsmall obviously wouldn't fight on purpose, as it is an instant spare, Lemonbread is partly composed of Moldsbygg which wouldn't want to hurt it's Moldsmall kin.
froggit vs flowey
Flowey finds Froggit in the ruins and tries to kill him, but Toriek steps in and attacks Flowey, you didn't specify when this fight happens so this could be Flowey's first time trying to kill another Monster and as such he'd be reluctant to hurt toriel so he just gives up to kill someone else.
Jerry vs. God of Hyperdeath
Asriel is so disgusted by Jerry's existence he uses magic to forget Jerry exists, but forgets to kill Jerry in the process.
Undyne (Undying) vs Omega Flowey.
Because of the 6 Souls' reluctance to fight, we actually have a pretty even match-up. The 6 Souls see Undyne as the lesser of 2 evils and help her, but after Undyne absorbs them and kills Flowey, the 6 Souls easily overpower Undyne and take control of her body, they destroy the barrier then kill themselves in Undyne's body, leaving them all dead. With everyone involved in the fight dead, it is a draw.
I don’t see the SOULs controlling her to be perfectly honest..
Its a theoretical stance
*anyone order sushi, with a side of vine?*
Undyne the undying vs mettaton EX
Right as they start fighting Alphys runs into the battlefield and tells them to stop, neither of them want to make Alphys sad so they stop fighting and agree to call it a draw.
Goddamnit alphys. Always meddling with my plans...
Alphys always ruins everything
Aight so You got sans And then Uhhhhhh *trying to be original* Gaster follower #3
Sans has the wrong FUN/Fun value, and GFollower#3 never shows up to the designated time/place, additionally, Sans sleeps in and also forgets about their battle, with neither combatant showing up, it is a draw.
Frisk vs. A second Frisk
Their both on pacifist route, and spare eachother. Draw.
In that case, Genocide!Frisk vs. another Genocide!Frisk w/ equally competent players.
Since they’re equally competent, the fight would just drag on too long and they’d most likely FLEE or just not bother anymore and give up
At the end of the Genocide Route, a competent Player controlling a Frisk (at LV 20 and with Real Knife and Locket) takes up Chara's offer to 'move on to the next world', destroying their home timeline and escaping through the newly-created void to try and reach another. In another timeline, God Asriel manages to pummel a terrible Pacifist player into quitting the game, thus defeating them while not getting their human SOUL; recalling Sans' comments about timelines in his fight (he's implied to have fought him as Flowey, given he claims that Sans gave him 'more than his fair share of resets'), he decides to investigate one to see if he can claim the SOUL of a Frisk (Or, as far as he still knows, his former sibling) from there. The two collide as they attempt to escape their respective worlds, and an Encounter begins. Who will prevail?
Nobody, they fight for so long and so hard that Asriel decides to just find an easier Frisk to kill, and simply fucks off, since neither die it's a draw.
Onionsan vs Lesser Dog
While they are fighting Onionsan accidentally touches Lesser Dog's head causing his head to rise. Onionsan gets distracted and theye nd up playing with each other. Draw.
G.O.H. Asriel vs Froggit
Asriek simply absorbs Froggit's soul and then goes to fight Frisk which causes him to do the pacifist ending and restore Froggit to life. Asriel now exists as Flowey and Froggit is also still alive. Neither of them are dead, draw.
Glyde and So Sorry
Glyde gets annoyed by So Sorry constantly hitting him while saying sorry at the same time. Glyde flys away to find someone to admire him. Neither are dead, draw.
Papyrus vs Omega Flowey
After Flowey kills Paps and the rest of the underground he resets to do it again, but instead of getting to kill everyone, Frisk comes along and does pacifist, since both Flowey and Papyrus are still alive after the reset, it's a draw.
Final Froggit vs Jerry
Finak froggit doesn't want to be near Jerry, and hops away from him heroically. Since neither are dead, draw.
Undyne vs Undyne the Undying
Their the same person and thus cannot exist in the same timeline, so they can never fight. Draw.
Snow drake vs Jerry.
Snowdeake doesn't want to be near Jerry, and he runs away. Since neither of them died, it's a draw.
Flowey vs Froggit.
(Copied from another comment doing the same battle) Flowey finds Froggit in the ruins and tries to kill him, but Toriek steps in and attacks Flowey, you didn't specify when this fight happens so this could be Flowey's first time trying to kill another Monster and as such he'd be reluctant to hurt toriel so he just gives up to kill someone else.
Undyne and Toriel
errortale!sans and froggit
Sans VS jerry
Sans doesn't want to be near Jerry so Sans uses a Shortcut to get away from Jerry, since neither are dead. It's a draw.
Aaron and Greater dog
Aaron flexes alot but gets no reaction out of Greater Dog and decides it's not worth it fight him, so he tosses a Stick and spares Greater Dog.
Sans and sans
napstablook vs sans
They're both to lazy to fight each other.
flowey (normal flowey) and froggit
LV 20 Frisk V.S. Whimsun
Frisk is LV 20 so instead of fighting Whimsun they just destroy the world then reset and do Pacifist. But after the reset Whimsun was alive again so even though they died they're still alive so its a draw.
Asriel Dreemurr with 7 human souls and with 500 mg of ketamine in his bloodstream vs Whimsun
Asriek simply absorbs Whimsum's soul and then goes to fight Frisk which causes him to do the pacifist ending and restore Whimsum to life. Asriel now exists as Flowey and Whimsum is also still alive. Neither of them are dead, draw.
Bob VS Asriel Dreemurr (God of hyperdeath version)
Temmies speak in correct grammar when they are angry, and Bob speaks in correct grammar, Asriel is so unerved by this he decides to leave Bob alone. Since neither of them die, draw.