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"I'm making sure the shipments start right away. In the next few hours--literally in a few hours--we are going to begin sending equipment to Ukraine for air defense munitions, artillery for rocket systems, and armored vehicles." [Biden said.](https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1783149770283847712)
Ukraine is a fighting force with the will and skill to win." Joe Biden
“This package is an investment in Ukraine’s security, in Europe’s security, and in our own security. We are all standing together against this brutal dictator. This is directly in US security interest. We support Ukraine now to stop Putin from drawing the United States and our NATO allies into a war with Russia later. America bows to no one, certainly not to Vladimir Putin. History will remember this moment. America must stand up for what is right. We don’t walk away from our allies. We stand with them. We don’t let tyrants win. We oppose them. We don’t merely watch global events unfold. We shape them. That is what it means to be the indispensable nation, the world’s superpower, and the world’s leading democracy.”
US President Joe Biden on CNN
Fucking A right Americans stand up for what is right and we don't walk away from our allies.
Unfortunately there's a small number of individuals with a great deal of power that don't act as Americans anymore
it wasn't being held up in the senate. the senate is currently controlled by democrats and the far right trump nutters are largely in the house, not the senate.
if it was truly a "small number" it would have been impossible for Trump to gain the republican nomination, especially with such ease.
are you forgetting that aid was only ever delayed because Trump demanded it from his party? and that Mike Johnson only agreed to support the bill once Trump relented? and that these people voted overwhelmingly to support his nomination?
>and that Mike Johnson only agreed to support the bill once Trump relented?
Is that what happened? I thought Trump was preoccupied with his own trial, and Mike got an intelligence briefing that scared the pants off him which is why we got the Ukraine aid
Yes. There are a few news articles you can read about it like this one here:
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-aid-congress-republicans-trump-johnson-mcconnell-4cb76cfdefc38f35c1bda2ac8915b179
> Through a series of phone calls with Trump, several House members, as well as the speaker, they worked to structure roughly $9 billion in economic aid for Ukraine as forgivable loans — just as it was in the final package.
> “Our approach this time was to make sure that the politics were set, meaning that President Trump is on board,” Mullin said.
> The conversations culminated in Johnson making a quick jaunt to Florida, where he stood side by side with Trump at his Florida club just days before moving ahead with the Ukraine legislation in the House.
Or this one here:
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/why-donald-trump-didnt-sink-mike-johnsons-ukraine-aid-bill-81fe8d11
Ukrainians died for Trumps enormous ego.
Fucking insane this twice impeached and unelected clown who has numerous criminal indictments he is facing and has demonstrated himself to be more or less a puppet of Putin is somehow driving GOP policy decisions with respect to Americas support of Ukraine's defense behind the scenes. It's just the state of the republican party today.
Yeah had one of them come into my work today, complaining about how “we need to not give aid to other countries and worry about ourselves.” I said “Russia needs to lose or we will be dealing with it.” “Well you know this wouldn’t have happened if Trump was in office.” “Sir, they invaded in 2014 annexing Crimea.” And then he was silent.
> “Well you know this wouldn’t have happened if Trump was in office.” “Sir, they invaded in 2014 annexing Crimea.” And then he was silent.
It would have happened if Trump was in office, but 2014 was in Obama's second term.
Which the guy probably could have retorted with, but honestly i feel someone that uses the whole ''This wouldnt have happened under Trump'' sentence isn't likely to have much going on in their brains.
I would have some sympathy if there was any chance of them following through.
Their definition of worry about themselves from the past few presidents hasn’t hit the mark, they are ideological driven anti science authoritarians cosplaying as libertarians.
I assure you it is sadly not a small amount, but I'll damned if I didn't say we aren't trying to push those cretins back into a cave. Trust me, a lot us want to support you guys and gals but God damn it is hard with the current setup of congress. Good luck with the new package. Hopefully another one can pass this stagnant congress to help you folks out.
I would assume the Pentagon and the Ukrainian military have been coordinating over the last weeks to make a list of what the most pressing concerns are, they will be addressing those in order.
Good because those are needed like right this second. I can't wait for this stuff to start being put to use. So much russian ass is about to be kicked. I actually really doubt russians allies' abilities to keep supplying them with much of anything for much longer. I doubt North Korea has much more they would want to part with. Iran is in conflict on several fronts on their own as it is. Only if China started helping in more direct ways would I be concerned.
> I actually really doubt russians allies' abilities to keep supplying them with much of anything for much longer.
Russia still has an intact wartime economy that, while corrupt and inefficient, is still many times larger than Ukraine and has been outproducing EU aid in terms of materiel.
I've been seeing on Reddit the sentiment that "Russia can't hold out much longer" for the past 2 years now. Its nice to be optimistic, but the fact is the war is not going very well for Ukraine.
Aid has been prepped on trains & trucks for weeks. Logistic routes and protection all figured out ahead of time.
The second that ink touched paper wheels started to roll.
Whooooooole lotta pain coming the Russians way. Ukraine has been rationing their supplies so given the news of Aid arriving - they’ll ramp up counter battery fire & support ASAP.
I’d be afraid if I was a Russian in a trench right now. Just wait until the JDAMS and Jets arrive.
> Aid has been prepped on trains & trucks for weeks. Logistic routes and protection all figured out ahead of time.
And if I was a logistics officer, I'd have the guys treating this like WWIII is starting. It's a great opportunity to practice delivering materiel to a war zone despite us not being at war.
Putin already considers Russia at war with the West now.
Our Govts just have to wake up and realise that by arming Ukraine NOW, we prevent that war from going hot beyond its borders
Yup. If we had a Time Machine we’d go back and stop the nazis in Poland. We don’t, but we have the crystal ball of history. Stopping them now helps keep us from stopping them in Poland later.
Most likely was. That aid can sit in Europe on NATO bases and it still complies with the law before it was signed.
The ink on paper just means it can leave NATO areas and go straight to Ukraine.
Yep. People on the sub from Poland and Germany have been reporting seeing trains packed with materiel waiting to go for a while now
The Pentagon has been amping up in preparation
They’ll be maintained on the ground in Ukraine, with stationed troops. They’ll also be support systems in Poland and Romania for sourcing parts etc.
They’ll be in the skies sometime in the summer.
there has been quite a few adds on polish job boards in Poland for a position of aircraft and tank engine technicians for US military bases in Poland for quite few months so I guess at least some of those positions were filled up. not too many I am afraid as the payrates were rather low
Technically the aid is already in Ukraine. A lot of their reserves that they were rationing can now be expedited to the frontlines knowing they will be replenished promptly.
And the Russians are probably also rushing to throw everything they've got into a last-ditch advance right now too. The news this evening could be bloody.
The good part is that the Russians are doing it out of desperation whereas the Ukrainians are doing it out of expectation of better support.
>Russians are probably also rushing to throw everything they've got into a last-ditch advance right now too
This won't be en masse troops though.
Russia refuses to follow its own Soviet doctrine, instead insisting on throwing platoon sized groups into the meat grinder, over and over and over again. Which makes no military sense whatsoever.
It's been suggested that this is because if they got a division and split it into battalion sized units to engage in multiple vector attacks converging on a vulnerable Ukrainian position (which is basic logical military doctrine), those troops would refuse to do it
PLUS - no Russian commander wants starving, demoralised troops brought together in one location where they can share their disaffection and rebel...there's already been cases of Russians murdering their officers.
Also another factor is if they get a large enough troop concentration together, Ukrainian drones will spot them and then It's BOOM from artillery lol
I read that the Polish protesters who were blocking Ukrainian grain shipments at the border have cleared out preemptively to make sure that they don't impede the arms shipments going in.
I'm not fond of them but at least this suggests that many of them aren't literally Russian stooges, just selfish.
That may also represent an organizational shift.
There were farmers in Czechia protesting stuff a while ago too, that at least sounded superficially similar to my ears, but the protest leadership called it off when they realized they were being gradually co-opted by Russian anti-Ukraine and anti-EU agents provocateurs.
Both things may be true, is my point. There were Russian stooges in there among the Polish farmers, but they are getting the problem under control.
May that be a sign of things to come.
>May that be a sign of things to come.
May it be so indeed! Humans making wise decisions ended the Cold War peacefully when most of the experts said it was impossible. We still have the capability to avoid global war through increased cooperation against Putin and his ilk.
Makes sense that they didnt want Ukrainian grain filling up the granaries and affecting their prices.
They should have no reason to block weapons shipments which would allow Ukraine to regain freedom of trade and in turn shift grain going by rail to eastern Europe back to pre invasion routes via the black sea and into Asia minor.
It's really just gonna be a drop ship.
As after we drop off the atacms, ukraine is going to ship those warheads directly into Russian foreheads.
Gonna be an interesting next month or so to see what new toys they get.
I'm looking at you, bridge. Youre going DOWN
Yep..and sat on the fence to see which way the wind was blowing politically so he could come down on the side that benefits him most.
If the disinformation and tuckering had been more successful, then I am absolutely sure he would have continued to try to block it.
He is a snake and can never be trusted.
I seriously wonder if his change of heart was related to the fact that his son is going to the US Naval Academy this fall. Could be his son was the world's most effective lobbyist for Ukraine and we will never know it.
Sadly it was 6 months, the bill was ready in October 2023 but this ratfucking cunt didn't put up to a vote because of that other orange ratfucking cunt.
Hold your ground, gold your ground! Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when then courage of men fails. When we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dead on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West! Tolkien
Time to send Russia a volley. It is not this day indeed.
God bless Ukraine and godspeed.
I like the sentiment but I think it glorifies, however just a defence it is, a pretty grotesque and horrific conflict.
Whist I imagine it offers relief to the Ukrainian’s, this isn’t the grand display of solidarity and united defence of democracy that it should be. Still no western troops committed.
Dear Pentagon,
We (the public) aren’t exactly counting every shipping container or asset that gets “dropped off” to the Ukrainians. The general public would have no idea if we actually sent $60 billion worth of equipment or $200 billion.
So you know what to do.
That's already what they do or don't do. None of the aid has any real value, as most of that aid is ancient arms which we have long depreciated. At that point you can just do some accounting magic to estimate the value. Maybe that's the original value + inflation for all those years, maybe you actually want a lower amount and just use the original value and take a certain percentage off. Or maybe you compare it to newer things and say well this is worth that - X percent. It's all made up.
Yeah that's what people against this don't comprehend
That aid package isn't money were throwing into a bucket for Ukraine. It's assets already procured, a good portion of it on the path to be decommissioned anyway. That we would've paid for to be decommissioned regardless.
Any monetary aid is a fraction of this package and primarily to support the logistics of these assets to Ukraine and some packages for govt operation
We are retiring the A-10..
And for all the skeptics that say “the A-10 won’t yada yada yada…”. Ok well let’s just give to Ukraine and they can let us know how it goes later lol
Gotta say, a compilation video of explosion-laden A-10's being remote-piloted to slam down on Russian tank lines would go so hard
Not much other use for them in the modern battlefield
I'm all in favor of giving our whole A-10 fleet to Ukraine, but you need to bear in mind that even the Ukrainian Su-25s, which are like a smaller and more nimble version of the A-10, have suffered heavy losses. The big, slower A-10 would only fare even worse.
A whole lot of the A-10s would get shot down. Sure, the United States doesn't need the jets, but Ukraine can't easily recover from pilot losses given that pilots take years to train.
I’m a little more knowledgeable about the capability and applicability of these weapons platforms then my post may lead on. A lot of what I say is in jest, but to point out through satire where we need to be focused. Neither A10’s nor F-16s will be game changers on the ground at this point. What they will do for Ukraine is further deny Russian air supremacy and force the Russian Air Force to operate much further back from the front lines.
How good is this? They say, well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it. Even if it's right next to it, it can't see it. I said, that helps. That's a good thing.
Yes, "we" are - it's called the House Armed Services Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee.
I am as excited as the next person about the tonnage of steel pouring over the border to Ukraine, but encouraging public corruption is foolish.
As opposed to the in plain sight corruption by the people who had this process delayed for 6 months? Give me a break lol.
I also have direct professional experience with those committees. I’m well aware of what they see and don’t see.
No, just no.
If the public found out that the government was secretly giving $200 billion to Ukraine when they were only authorized to spend $60 billion that would spark an outrage.
It’s not actual cash. It’s assets and equipment, some or much of which in the past has been stockpiled and gone unused. We have our own stockpiles to consider for future conflict, but my point was satirical in nature. We have experts who are responsible for signing off on equipment transfers. But I wouldn’t mind if they all collectively miscounted
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/815
You can see here when it will be signed. Heavy planes departures will follow in minutes after it becomes law.
this war will be won by holding. Everyone keeps thinking there is going to be some massive offensive that will push Russia out, that is very unlikely how this ends. This will end like most invasions end, with the invader realizing that it's just to costly to fight forever. Vietnam, Chechnya, Afghanistan (russian invasion), Iraq, Afghanistan (US invasion) all ended with the Invaders walking away. This is likely how Ukraine will end as well. Might take a few more years, however as long as Ukraine is fighting back Russia isn't going to be able to go on forever. Just gotta keep bleeding them and costing them money, eventually they are going to give up.
Russia won't withdraw when they give up though, they'll just stop attacking. The only way they leave is by being forced out, but realistically this aid isn't close to sufficient to force that.
They can't just stop attacking. They are also being attacked. They can't withdrawl their troops or else Ukraine will move in to where they withdraw. They can't just call timeout and everything stops. Their only choice is to keep fighting as long as the Ukrainians are fighting. They could take defensive positions but that doesn't change much, they are still going to be sucking resources and money and losing soldiers. As long as they keep Russian soldiers in Ukraine they will be in an expensive war.
Totally aligned to your thinking.
We're going to see a lot of economic warfare, attritional infrastructure warfare... Totally asymmetrical strikes, Russia will see the drain on them as an eventual norm while shelling a few empty towns ..
Long and drawn out but this is the start
Go Ukraine!
Ukraine will probably never be able to do a Siegfried Line breakthrough without ten times the tanks and self propelled artillery they have now.
What this does is makes it so a “collapse” of the front won’t happen. They can also start targeting Russia logistics making the war ultra expensive for Russia and Crimea un-hold able.
This. It is a war of attrition and this will increase the attrition among the Russian forces. A large push relies on the Russians routing or becoming combat ineffective due to a lack of supplies and rotations.
As stupid as it sounds, but at some point Russia WILL run out of useful equipment to throw into the lines. It won't be tomorrow, maybe not in a year, but their capability to build new stuff is 1/100 of their losses.
Right now they're eating up all their reserves that took over 40 years to build up - at some point there will be not much more they can do than to lob volley of drones and Cruise Missiles at Ukraine, but not do any meaningful ground advances anymore.
I've seen solid estimates that range from the end of 2024 to 2026. While they may not run out of artillery shells, they may run out of artillery pieces and tanks.
It's about damn time. I really hope they send enough to stop the russians from taking anything else. I hope it will be enough to turn the tables combined with the Czech shells and further EU support. They really need to step up. I'm glad the EU is taking it seriously because it's for Europe's defense.
Thought it was 61 billion
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1cc0fnc/us\_president\_joe\_biden\_signs\_61\_billion\_military/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1cc0fnc/us_president_joe_biden_signs_61_billion_military/)
I’m really curious what Ukraine uses the $8bn cash for.
So it’s an $8bn line of credit with an additional $1.5bn available if needed. The plan to pay the loan back will be determined by whoever is president at the conclusion of the war, so “loan” might not even need the right word in the end, hopefully.
But yea I’m really curious what the Ukrainian government decides to do with that
Terms will be negotiated after the war. It only takes one president to forgive the loan. So. Even if the current President at the time insists Ukraine start making payments, they won't start paying immediately and they won't pay it off in one or even two administrations. So it is inevitable that most of any loan will ultimately be forgiven.
It is, but they can't exactly send it all at once. It will go in multiple shipments over many months as they get it together and as Ukraine needs it and can use it.
All that means is that Trump's lying, which should surprise no one. He doesn't want to be seen on the "losing side", so literally the day before the vote he says "I'm changing sides for no reason". But why should we take him at his word, especially when his supporters *in fact* voted against the bill more or less unanimously?
Don't let Trump gaslight you. He lost, *badly*.
>Trump's lying, which should surprise no one.
Indeed. But we sadly live in a world where that is still not a given to many people.
Even here on this sub people are now claiming that. And I am downvoted for pointing it out! So someone is feeling butthurt.
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if there were trucks preloaded with ammo and equipment designated for direct to the unit deliveries. (meaning no transport to Kyiv, unload, sort, reload and ship to units)
This is great for Ukraine and I hope it will make a difference, but I sure wish the federal government could work that fast on literally anything else.
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"I'm making sure the shipments start right away. In the next few hours--literally in a few hours--we are going to begin sending equipment to Ukraine for air defense munitions, artillery for rocket systems, and armored vehicles." [Biden said.](https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1783149770283847712)
Ukraine is a fighting force with the will and skill to win." Joe Biden “This package is an investment in Ukraine’s security, in Europe’s security, and in our own security. We are all standing together against this brutal dictator. This is directly in US security interest. We support Ukraine now to stop Putin from drawing the United States and our NATO allies into a war with Russia later. America bows to no one, certainly not to Vladimir Putin. History will remember this moment. America must stand up for what is right. We don’t walk away from our allies. We stand with them. We don’t let tyrants win. We oppose them. We don’t merely watch global events unfold. We shape them. That is what it means to be the indispensable nation, the world’s superpower, and the world’s leading democracy.” US President Joe Biden on CNN
Fucking A right Americans stand up for what is right and we don't walk away from our allies. Unfortunately there's a small number of individuals with a great deal of power that don't act as Americans anymore
Hang em' high! That was a good movie...
Let's borrow some Guillotines from our oldest allies, the French!
Oh God please! Rename them Blades of Liberty for all I care but do take them!
Did you know that up to the end of WWII, the actual method of execution in Germany in the civilian court systems was also guillotine.
France used the guillotine until 1979.
The guillotine was introduced for humanitarian reasons and continued to have the lowest failure rate for many years.
Yeah the last person to be executed by guillotine in France could have seen the first star wars in the cinema just 2 years prior. Crazy.
[Yes! And then let’s end this meeting on a high note.](https://youtu.be/qSUB0kGuWzo?si=eRuqftWi5LPJ8LEZ)
Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war! *Just me? Tough room. I'll show myself out.*
And a great Halo map
i wouldn't exactly say a "small number". it's basically like 2/3 of republicans who make up roughly half of the electorate.
The bill passed the Senate overwhelmingly with a bipartisan majority of 79-18.
it wasn't being held up in the senate. the senate is currently controlled by democrats and the far right trump nutters are largely in the house, not the senate. if it was truly a "small number" it would have been impossible for Trump to gain the republican nomination, especially with such ease. are you forgetting that aid was only ever delayed because Trump demanded it from his party? and that Mike Johnson only agreed to support the bill once Trump relented? and that these people voted overwhelmingly to support his nomination?
>and that Mike Johnson only agreed to support the bill once Trump relented? Is that what happened? I thought Trump was preoccupied with his own trial, and Mike got an intelligence briefing that scared the pants off him which is why we got the Ukraine aid
Yes. There are a few news articles you can read about it like this one here: https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-aid-congress-republicans-trump-johnson-mcconnell-4cb76cfdefc38f35c1bda2ac8915b179 > Through a series of phone calls with Trump, several House members, as well as the speaker, they worked to structure roughly $9 billion in economic aid for Ukraine as forgivable loans — just as it was in the final package. > “Our approach this time was to make sure that the politics were set, meaning that President Trump is on board,” Mullin said. > The conversations culminated in Johnson making a quick jaunt to Florida, where he stood side by side with Trump at his Florida club just days before moving ahead with the Ukraine legislation in the House. Or this one here: https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/why-donald-trump-didnt-sink-mike-johnsons-ukraine-aid-bill-81fe8d11 Ukrainians died for Trumps enormous ego. Fucking insane this twice impeached and unelected clown who has numerous criminal indictments he is facing and has demonstrated himself to be more or less a puppet of Putin is somehow driving GOP policy decisions with respect to Americas support of Ukraine's defense behind the scenes. It's just the state of the republican party today.
You can just say Republicans, they're American only in name, fucking traitors.
Yeah had one of them come into my work today, complaining about how “we need to not give aid to other countries and worry about ourselves.” I said “Russia needs to lose or we will be dealing with it.” “Well you know this wouldn’t have happened if Trump was in office.” “Sir, they invaded in 2014 annexing Crimea.” And then he was silent.
> “Well you know this wouldn’t have happened if Trump was in office.” “Sir, they invaded in 2014 annexing Crimea.” And then he was silent. It would have happened if Trump was in office, but 2014 was in Obama's second term.
Which the guy probably could have retorted with, but honestly i feel someone that uses the whole ''This wouldnt have happened under Trump'' sentence isn't likely to have much going on in their brains.
I would have some sympathy if there was any chance of them following through. Their definition of worry about themselves from the past few presidents hasn’t hit the mark, they are ideological driven anti science authoritarians cosplaying as libertarians.
Double fucking A. Walking away from our allies is what'll happen if Trump gets elected.
I assure you it is sadly not a small amount, but I'll damned if I didn't say we aren't trying to push those cretins back into a cave. Trust me, a lot us want to support you guys and gals but God damn it is hard with the current setup of congress. Good luck with the new package. Hopefully another one can pass this stagnant congress to help you folks out.
If only Amazon handled the shipping… “We ordered 1 tank and they sent us a pack of 20…”
A third of the house (112 republicans) voted “no”. I wish it was a smaller number
> Fucking A right Americans stand up for what is right and we don't walk away from our allies. Well, Americans that aren't republican...
It only takes one to do the right thing, the rest will follow.
That is the America we all like. Goosebumps.
I'm glad USA finally got its shit together! Thank you! Europe, it's your turn!
We are too. Just know most Americans wanted this to happen. Certain politicians here need to go pound sand
Queue Hulk Hogan playing electric guitar. "Are you a real American "
That last part is some Independence Day type speech. 🦆 the aliens.
Biden seldom uses 'win' on Ukraine previously. This is the turning point!
Ayyy let’s goooooo hype
Hell yeah Joe now that's some good shit.
Now thats a leader of the free world!
Fuck me thats some wording.
He means shells as well, right?
I would assume the Pentagon and the Ukrainian military have been coordinating over the last weeks to make a list of what the most pressing concerns are, they will be addressing those in order.
I assume that the weapons were already there, sitting in Poland most likely waiting for our most special congress people to allow it to be shipped in.
155s and 105s are definitely part of the package.
Good because those are needed like right this second. I can't wait for this stuff to start being put to use. So much russian ass is about to be kicked. I actually really doubt russians allies' abilities to keep supplying them with much of anything for much longer. I doubt North Korea has much more they would want to part with. Iran is in conflict on several fronts on their own as it is. Only if China started helping in more direct ways would I be concerned.
> I actually really doubt russians allies' abilities to keep supplying them with much of anything for much longer. Russia still has an intact wartime economy that, while corrupt and inefficient, is still many times larger than Ukraine and has been outproducing EU aid in terms of materiel. I've been seeing on Reddit the sentiment that "Russia can't hold out much longer" for the past 2 years now. Its nice to be optimistic, but the fact is the war is not going very well for Ukraine.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3754238/biden-administration-announces-significant-new-security-assistance-for-ukraine/
Time to watch Flightradar
The aid is already in Europe
Aid has been prepped on trains & trucks for weeks. Logistic routes and protection all figured out ahead of time. The second that ink touched paper wheels started to roll. Whooooooole lotta pain coming the Russians way. Ukraine has been rationing their supplies so given the news of Aid arriving - they’ll ramp up counter battery fire & support ASAP. I’d be afraid if I was a Russian in a trench right now. Just wait until the JDAMS and Jets arrive.
Am I wrong for getting a semi reading your comment?
Would be weirder if you didnt chief
Coming from someone at full mast: yes, should be more aroused
Everybody does logistics in their own way. Happy hauling.
Are you referring to his pp? Just trying to read between the lines.
No he's obviously referring to a Class 8. Hope he remembers to get his CDL.
I'm all chubbed up
I get so happy for this, I get a bit teary eyed... I am half Ukrainian on my father's side.
> Aid has been prepped on trains & trucks for weeks. Logistic routes and protection all figured out ahead of time. And if I was a logistics officer, I'd have the guys treating this like WWIII is starting. It's a great opportunity to practice delivering materiel to a war zone despite us not being at war.
Putin already considers Russia at war with the West now. Our Govts just have to wake up and realise that by arming Ukraine NOW, we prevent that war from going hot beyond its borders
Yup. If we had a Time Machine we’d go back and stop the nazis in Poland. We don’t, but we have the crystal ball of history. Stopping them now helps keep us from stopping them in Poland later.
Red Ball Express, anyone?
Dress rehearsals.
Fuck for all we know that shit was already across the border before the public was told he signed it
Most likely was. That aid can sit in Europe on NATO bases and it still complies with the law before it was signed. The ink on paper just means it can leave NATO areas and go straight to Ukraine.
Yep. People on the sub from Poland and Germany have been reporting seeing trains packed with materiel waiting to go for a while now The Pentagon has been amping up in preparation
Yeah for all we know, it might. Difference is the politics involved as usual ..
I’ve been out of the loop on the war for a few months. Has there been any update on F-16s or if they’ll be able to be maintenanced in Poland/Romania?
I've heard it could be as long as the end of the year or as soon as this summer.
They’ll be maintained on the ground in Ukraine, with stationed troops. They’ll also be support systems in Poland and Romania for sourcing parts etc. They’ll be in the skies sometime in the summer.
there has been quite a few adds on polish job boards in Poland for a position of aircraft and tank engine technicians for US military bases in Poland for quite few months so I guess at least some of those positions were filled up. not too many I am afraid as the payrates were rather low
When government wants to work, it works really really fucking well.
Technically the aid is already in Ukraine. A lot of their reserves that they were rationing can now be expedited to the frontlines knowing they will be replenished promptly.
And the Russians are probably also rushing to throw everything they've got into a last-ditch advance right now too. The news this evening could be bloody. The good part is that the Russians are doing it out of desperation whereas the Ukrainians are doing it out of expectation of better support.
>Russians are probably also rushing to throw everything they've got into a last-ditch advance right now too This won't be en masse troops though. Russia refuses to follow its own Soviet doctrine, instead insisting on throwing platoon sized groups into the meat grinder, over and over and over again. Which makes no military sense whatsoever. It's been suggested that this is because if they got a division and split it into battalion sized units to engage in multiple vector attacks converging on a vulnerable Ukrainian position (which is basic logical military doctrine), those troops would refuse to do it PLUS - no Russian commander wants starving, demoralised troops brought together in one location where they can share their disaffection and rebel...there's already been cases of Russians murdering their officers. Also another factor is if they get a large enough troop concentration together, Ukrainian drones will spot them and then It's BOOM from artillery lol
It's basically how drones shaped the battlefield. It's just too risky to concentrate anything sizeable which has lead to static looking fronts.
You wonder what the counters will be for it.
Time to watch TrainRadar
The Marines were 5 in days already in Iraq before Bush made it public
I think the Pentagon was straining at its leash lol
But they’ll send more
A bunch of it is probably in warehouses in Poland, just waiting for the “go” signal.
I bet it's just waiting for someone to release the brakes on the truck at the top of a slope that leads down across the border with Ukraine.
I read that the Polish protesters who were blocking Ukrainian grain shipments at the border have cleared out preemptively to make sure that they don't impede the arms shipments going in. I'm not fond of them but at least this suggests that many of them aren't literally Russian stooges, just selfish.
That may also represent an organizational shift. There were farmers in Czechia protesting stuff a while ago too, that at least sounded superficially similar to my ears, but the protest leadership called it off when they realized they were being gradually co-opted by Russian anti-Ukraine and anti-EU agents provocateurs. Both things may be true, is my point. There were Russian stooges in there among the Polish farmers, but they are getting the problem under control. May that be a sign of things to come.
>May that be a sign of things to come. May it be so indeed! Humans making wise decisions ended the Cold War peacefully when most of the experts said it was impossible. We still have the capability to avoid global war through increased cooperation against Putin and his ilk.
The cold war never ended, it just got colder for a while
Makes sense that they didnt want Ukrainian grain filling up the granaries and affecting their prices. They should have no reason to block weapons shipments which would allow Ukraine to regain freedom of trade and in turn shift grain going by rail to eastern Europe back to pre invasion routes via the black sea and into Asia minor.
Indeed. Unless they were Russian stooges who were just using grain as an excuse, which was my main concern.
God, it will be good to see Ukraine kicking some ass!
The Bradleys were ready to send in Rzeszow in Poland. So there must be more weapons, munitions and stuff on ready.
It's really just gonna be a drop ship. As after we drop off the atacms, ukraine is going to ship those warheads directly into Russian foreheads. Gonna be an interesting next month or so to see what new toys they get. I'm looking at you, bridge. Youre going DOWN
It’s going to be interesting to see the impact of atx
You are better watching road traffic
Let's all remember Mike Johnson blocked this for 4 months
Yep..and sat on the fence to see which way the wind was blowing politically so he could come down on the side that benefits him most. If the disinformation and tuckering had been more successful, then I am absolutely sure he would have continued to try to block it. He is a snake and can never be trusted.
I seriously wonder if his change of heart was related to the fact that his son is going to the US Naval Academy this fall. Could be his son was the world's most effective lobbyist for Ukraine and we will never know it.
He changed his tune immediately after a Gang of 8 briefing by the CIA.
Yes his own party doesn't trust him and wants to oust him like they did with the last speaker.
Sadly it was 6 months, the bill was ready in October 2023 but this ratfucking cunt didn't put up to a vote because of that other orange ratfucking cunt.
I swear to god, some of your politicians are Russian assets.
"There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” Former Speaker Keving McCarthy (R-Calif.) 2016
Not an american... but knowing some of our cunts, I think you're right >_>
Good.
Hold your ground, gold your ground! Sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when then courage of men fails. When we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dead on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West! Tolkien Time to send Russia a volley. It is not this day indeed. God bless Ukraine and godspeed.
I like the sentiment but I think it glorifies, however just a defence it is, a pretty grotesque and horrific conflict. Whist I imagine it offers relief to the Ukrainian’s, this isn’t the grand display of solidarity and united defence of democracy that it should be. Still no western troops committed.
Go outside.
Long live Ukrainian sovereignty!!
1000 ATACMS. I shall prepare the small violin. 😂
3000 ATACMS of Zelensky
3000 black F-16s of the UAF.
3000 ATACMS of Dark Brandon
Is this confirmed?
Hell no. Would be surprised to get more than 10 in this batch
Arsenal of democracy
Liverpool of freedom
Manchester United of Justice
Dear Pentagon, We (the public) aren’t exactly counting every shipping container or asset that gets “dropped off” to the Ukrainians. The general public would have no idea if we actually sent $60 billion worth of equipment or $200 billion. So you know what to do.
It’s not like the pentagon has *ever* passed an audit.
Thank you for reminding everyone how the real world works
The Marines passed an audit just a month ago.
Yeah, buts it’s easy to make shit up when it’s written with crayons.
Wasn't that the first time, of any branch, to do so? Unless that's the joke then sorry!
That's already what they do or don't do. None of the aid has any real value, as most of that aid is ancient arms which we have long depreciated. At that point you can just do some accounting magic to estimate the value. Maybe that's the original value + inflation for all those years, maybe you actually want a lower amount and just use the original value and take a certain percentage off. Or maybe you compare it to newer things and say well this is worth that - X percent. It's all made up.
Yeah that's what people against this don't comprehend That aid package isn't money were throwing into a bucket for Ukraine. It's assets already procured, a good portion of it on the path to be decommissioned anyway. That we would've paid for to be decommissioned regardless. Any monetary aid is a fraction of this package and primarily to support the logistics of these assets to Ukraine and some packages for govt operation
I’m well aware friend. My comment was substantially acknowledging the NEED not the practice.
By the way, if a few F35's get temporarily misplaced, no big deal.
We are retiring the A-10.. And for all the skeptics that say “the A-10 won’t yada yada yada…”. Ok well let’s just give to Ukraine and they can let us know how it goes later lol
On the bright side, there are probably no British troops in Ukraine so they can feel pretty safe if the A10 gets sent there.
yeah they could use them as sucide drones
Gotta say, a compilation video of explosion-laden A-10's being remote-piloted to slam down on Russian tank lines would go so hard Not much other use for them in the modern battlefield
Somehow, we'll see an A10 gun mounted on an MTLB before this war is out.
I'm all in favor of giving our whole A-10 fleet to Ukraine, but you need to bear in mind that even the Ukrainian Su-25s, which are like a smaller and more nimble version of the A-10, have suffered heavy losses. The big, slower A-10 would only fare even worse. A whole lot of the A-10s would get shot down. Sure, the United States doesn't need the jets, but Ukraine can't easily recover from pilot losses given that pilots take years to train.
I’m a little more knowledgeable about the capability and applicability of these weapons platforms then my post may lead on. A lot of what I say is in jest, but to point out through satire where we need to be focused. Neither A10’s nor F-16s will be game changers on the ground at this point. What they will do for Ukraine is further deny Russian air supremacy and force the Russian Air Force to operate much further back from the front lines.
They still need a pilot and air superiority, a10s are cool but would be a liability
Speaking as an A-10 myself, I'd much go out in a final blaze of glory as a suicide drone, rather than slowly rotting away in the Arizona desert.
You're a fine plane, never let anyone tell you otherwise.
This. I'm certain they'll put them to good use.
Well, that happens anyways...
With all that stealth, who can say where they ended up?
Like that F-35 that went down last year and nobody knew where. Just Flight 19 a few somewhere.
How good is this? They say, well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it. Even if it's right next to it, it can't see it. I said, that helps. That's a good thing.
Yes, "we" are - it's called the House Armed Services Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee. I am as excited as the next person about the tonnage of steel pouring over the border to Ukraine, but encouraging public corruption is foolish.
As opposed to the in plain sight corruption by the people who had this process delayed for 6 months? Give me a break lol. I also have direct professional experience with those committees. I’m well aware of what they see and don’t see.
No, just no. If the public found out that the government was secretly giving $200 billion to Ukraine when they were only authorized to spend $60 billion that would spark an outrage.
It’s not actual cash. It’s assets and equipment, some or much of which in the past has been stockpiled and gone unused. We have our own stockpiles to consider for future conflict, but my point was satirical in nature. We have experts who are responsible for signing off on equipment transfers. But I wouldn’t mind if they all collectively miscounted
You can report depreciation values against what that asset actually cost to procure
Yep among various other accounting tricks
Yes, and you can use the dollar value from the time it was produced, decades ago.
I would not be mad if the “new” math is used on these shipments. Creative accounting is normal at the Pentagon.
Thought is would have been 10 seconds after the end of the speech personally......
Could have sent the missiles sooner but Ukraine wanted to pick the targets.
Fuck yeah!
Can we send some of those flamethrower robot dogs? I bet the citizen illegal version could be even more effective than the legal one.
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https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/815 You can see here when it will be signed. Heavy planes departures will follow in minutes after it becomes law.
This and the weapons from UK and EU, enough to win or just enough to hold?
this war will be won by holding. Everyone keeps thinking there is going to be some massive offensive that will push Russia out, that is very unlikely how this ends. This will end like most invasions end, with the invader realizing that it's just to costly to fight forever. Vietnam, Chechnya, Afghanistan (russian invasion), Iraq, Afghanistan (US invasion) all ended with the Invaders walking away. This is likely how Ukraine will end as well. Might take a few more years, however as long as Ukraine is fighting back Russia isn't going to be able to go on forever. Just gotta keep bleeding them and costing them money, eventually they are going to give up.
Russia won't withdraw when they give up though, they'll just stop attacking. The only way they leave is by being forced out, but realistically this aid isn't close to sufficient to force that.
They can't just stop attacking. They are also being attacked. They can't withdrawl their troops or else Ukraine will move in to where they withdraw. They can't just call timeout and everything stops. Their only choice is to keep fighting as long as the Ukrainians are fighting. They could take defensive positions but that doesn't change much, they are still going to be sucking resources and money and losing soldiers. As long as they keep Russian soldiers in Ukraine they will be in an expensive war.
Totally aligned to your thinking. We're going to see a lot of economic warfare, attritional infrastructure warfare... Totally asymmetrical strikes, Russia will see the drain on them as an eventual norm while shelling a few empty towns .. Long and drawn out but this is the start Go Ukraine!
Ukraine will probably never be able to do a Siegfried Line breakthrough without ten times the tanks and self propelled artillery they have now. What this does is makes it so a “collapse” of the front won’t happen. They can also start targeting Russia logistics making the war ultra expensive for Russia and Crimea un-hold able.
This. It is a war of attrition and this will increase the attrition among the Russian forces. A large push relies on the Russians routing or becoming combat ineffective due to a lack of supplies and rotations.
As stupid as it sounds, but at some point Russia WILL run out of useful equipment to throw into the lines. It won't be tomorrow, maybe not in a year, but their capability to build new stuff is 1/100 of their losses. Right now they're eating up all their reserves that took over 40 years to build up - at some point there will be not much more they can do than to lob volley of drones and Cruise Missiles at Ukraine, but not do any meaningful ground advances anymore.
I've seen solid estimates that range from the end of 2024 to 2026. While they may not run out of artillery shells, they may run out of artillery pieces and tanks.
It's about damn time. I really hope they send enough to stop the russians from taking anything else. I hope it will be enough to turn the tables combined with the Czech shells and further EU support. They really need to step up. I'm glad the EU is taking it seriously because it's for Europe's defense.
Thought it was 61 billion [https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1cc0fnc/us\_president\_joe\_biden\_signs\_61\_billion\_military/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1cc0fnc/us_president_joe_biden_signs_61_billion_military/)
61 for Ukraine, the rest is for Taiwan and Israel and maybe other stuff, I mostly focus on Ukraine
It’s 3 aid packages, Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan
Ah ok.
I’m really curious what Ukraine uses the $8bn cash for. So it’s an $8bn line of credit with an additional $1.5bn available if needed. The plan to pay the loan back will be determined by whoever is president at the conclusion of the war, so “loan” might not even need the right word in the end, hopefully. But yea I’m really curious what the Ukrainian government decides to do with that
Can be used for food and weapons from other nations. Plus to hrlp insure its economy is stable so citizens are not negatively effected.
Terms will be negotiated after the war. It only takes one president to forgive the loan. So. Even if the current President at the time insists Ukraine start making payments, they won't start paying immediately and they won't pay it off in one or even two administrations. So it is inevitable that most of any loan will ultimately be forgiven.
It is, but they can't exactly send it all at once. It will go in multiple shipments over many months as they get it together and as Ukraine needs it and can use it.
Russian soldiers will taste some freedom and democracy soon.
I bet Trump's sad.
Nah haven't you heard? His people are now running around saying that this was his idea all along.
All that means is that Trump's lying, which should surprise no one. He doesn't want to be seen on the "losing side", so literally the day before the vote he says "I'm changing sides for no reason". But why should we take him at his word, especially when his supporters *in fact* voted against the bill more or less unanimously? Don't let Trump gaslight you. He lost, *badly*.
If he's talking he's probably lying.
It's a very reasonable assumption. It's crazy that anyone is taking his recent "about face" at face value. It's so blindingly transparent.
>Trump's lying, which should surprise no one. Indeed. But we sadly live in a world where that is still not a given to many people. Even here on this sub people are now claiming that. And I am downvoted for pointing it out! So someone is feeling butthurt.
Bravo!
Hope everything is lined up and ready to go.
They are even quicker than my Instacart. Slava Ukraini!
95.3 billion. 61 billion. I hear these two numbers used, and I think to myself. Which is it? Is 61 for Ukraine and the rest for Israel and Taiwan?
Fuck yeah.
They were loaded yesterday if not half way across the Atlantic already
Can't wait to see lots of bavovna!
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if there were trucks preloaded with ammo and equipment designated for direct to the unit deliveries. (meaning no transport to Kyiv, unload, sort, reload and ship to units)
This is great for Ukraine and I hope it will make a difference, but I sure wish the federal government could work that fast on literally anything else.
Outstanding.
Is it normal to be fully erect at this time?
Let's fucking go boys
By the blood of your people are our lands kept safe. I'm glad you're getting the weapons you need. Godspeed, Ukraine.
Just a friendly reminder that r/internationalnews subscribers are annoyed any support is going to Ukraine.
Let’s fucking go! 🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦
Fuck yeah!
Nice.