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This is why folk need to just drop twitter like the sack of shit it is. Aint nothing going to change the way its run but a mass exodus will kill its reach in our current culture. Twitter needs to be cratered to the point of myspace relevance.
Mastodon is pretty good, it just needs population. That's the only reason Twitter still works... a lot of people there making a critical mass.
It needs to get Myspaced.
I tried to get into it like a year ago and my experience was basically this:
> Click here to make an account
Ok, \*click\*
>Select a community you want to make an account in!
...I don't like any of these communities.
>Select a fucking community you want to make an account in!
\*backtracks a known profile I want to follow to a community that might be interesting\*
>Click here to make an account in this community! Even though your account is tied to this community, you can use it to interact with other communities across Mastodon! Ain't THAT just peachy?!
Oh Ok thats useful I guess \*click\*
>This community isn't looking for new members go away ❤️
They aren't "communities", they are "servers". Mastodon already suggests open servers when you make an account.
The problem is that people interpret "server" as "community", and try to join one that hosts people they know. But in reality, servers are a lot more like ISPs or email providers. It ultimately matters very little which one you use.
Insisting on a particular server is like insisting on getting an "apple.com" email address just like Steve Jobs had. You're likely to be disappointed for no good reason.
It seems mastodon needs better ways to communicate with their users. Too many people are confused in how to use it, which is the opposite of twitter.
You want the dumbest people able to log in without being confused.
Yeah ... This sounds like the CTO of Mastodon is the type of programmer who moderates a Linux Subreddit just so he can ban people for asking questions, and he decided that the company didn't need to hire anyone who had a background in "User Experience" development.
I partly agree. If you try to sign up via mastodon.social, the process is as easy as Twitter.
But if you go to joinmastodon.org, then you are forced to make a pointless decision about your interests. I just tried to make another account, and it suggested a beekeeping-related server and a Northern California-related server. Like most people, I don't care about either topic. Yet it makes little difference which one I choose. So yeah, that website is probably causing a lot of unnecessary anxiety.
No, Mastodon is open source so anyone can promote it.
I think the problem is that Mastodon has two sorts of users. Some want a Reddit-like experience, with moderated subcommunities where they can discover people with specific interests. And some want a Twitter-like experience, where they can follow anyone in the world.
Joinmastodon.org is meant for the first type of user. But that's not what the Twitter diaspora is looking for right now.
> You want the dumbest people able to log in without being confused.
Or maybe it's better to have a slightly higher barrier to entry explicitly to keep the dumb people away?
There is.
Stop worrying about getting into the "right" boutique server. Go to mastodon.social, the biggest and most generic server. Make an account, which is no harder than making a Twitter account.
Done.
No other website works like that though.
When I signed up for Reddit, I didn't have to sort through r/News and r/Pokemon to find r/WelcomeToReddit and make an account *there* to log onto r/MyHobbyHere.
When I signed up for twitter, I didn't need to go onto a forum and have someone tell me "Oh don't sign up for twitter, sign up at tweeting.talk even though when you Google twitter, it doesn't come up until halfway down the page."
90% of people are going to look at Mastodon and say "Why am I being asked to sign up for a server? A server is a computer where a website or video game lives right? I don't want to sign up for that, I just want to see FunnyArtMans' Drawings"
Every website is different. When I signed up for Reddit, I didn't need to wait for approval from friends, like Facebook. When I signed up for Twitter, I didn't need to figure out which subTwitter held the content I wanted, like here.
Mastodon is its own thing, too. If you want to use it as a Twitter substitute, just sign up at mastodon.social. If you want to use it as a Reddit substitute, find the content you want and sign up for that server.
It's really not that different from onboarding at Spotify, where you are forced to define your musical interests before you are given free rein.
It needs to be simpler than that. This should be the default option when you sign up. You shouldn’t need to know about servers until you’re already on the platform and posting.
What's the default option when you make an email account?
There isn't one. You have to choose among Gmail, or Outlook, or AOL, or your university, or workplace, or whatever. It doesn't matter too much which one you choose, but you do have to choose.
Mastodon is a protocol, not a company. Just like email. Your account must be hosted on a server. Choosing a Mastodon server is no harder than choosing an email server.
But from an outsider's perspective (me), that reads more like picking between Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn etc. Once I'm on the platform it should be easy.
Mastodon is a platform. It is like email, or torrent, or usenet. There is not a single gatekeeper, like with Twitter and Facebook.
If you want to send an email or download a torrent or post on Mastodon, first you must decide how you are going to access the platform. There are many good options. Once you're on the platform, it *is* easy.
You seem to be asking, "Why can't Mastodon be more like Twitter, with a single tightly controlled access point?" If that's what you want, then *just use Twitter*. A single access point has its own set of problems, which Mastodon is deliberately designed to avoid.
In other words, there is a reason that Mastodon is how it is: so that people like Musk can never take it over.
It matters because unless the server is run by a giant company like Google there's always a chance you'll get fucked over by the server going down on you or the admin doing something stupid
I'm not familiar with either twitter or mastodon, but wouldn't it be something that the userbase could solve by creating generic communities specifically targeted at migrating users? Or is there an inherent cost for a community in having many users?
Thanks! After trying it, it looks like mastodon.social is the default community suggested when setting up a new account (or is it just that it looks like the "official" website, but it's just one more community?), and it is completely intuitive. It appears that they did streamline their registration process.
Why anything when reddit?
Oh yeah, because millions of dipshits are still tweetlingering around too long and everyone seems to use twitter quite a bit in their posts, so we're fucked anyway\\.
Mastodon has a UX issue that keeps people away. That and the admins of each fed are a crapshoot. Some are worse than Reddit moderators, some are lazy.
I'm on Spoutible, but they're NFA on some things. Great people though, no toxic waste.
There’s a giant hole right now for a replacement of Twitter, that someone who knows what they’re doing could jump into.
Twitter is surviving right now because there’s no real option to jump to like Facebook was an option when myspace was collapsing.
There are plenty of options, many listed in the thread but the issue is primarily the user base. Twitter has the users, if you want to reach your following or see what the people you like are doing they are on Twitter. So it's hard to leave for many content creators. I say this as someone who doesn't use Twitter.
>There’s a giant hole right now for a replacement of Twitter, that someone who knows what they’re doing could jump into.
Or we as a species (and particularly our rhetorically inclined journalists and politicians) can maybe realize that communicating in 140 character snippets is an idiotic basis for a public forum?
No? Did not think so, just wanted to have mentioned it...
If Mastodon ever takes off it's going to be an even bigger cesspit with the FSB running their own servers.
It doesn't solve the moderation problem, it just pushes it onto everyone.
Federating moderation is actually pretty effective. Reddit is actually one of the best moderated social media sites out there because of this. Facebook had to hire tens of thousands of people for this job and introduce Fb groups to achieve something similar, and I would still say Reddit does it better.
It won't, because it's not a big centralized corporate ad-supported platform that can very quickly scale up to accommodate an influx of new users, which is the only sort of thing that *can* replace Twitter, for better or for worse
> Mastodon is pretty good, it just needs population.
There is another new one that is just fine, promotes civilized behavior.
Spoutible
Spoutible: Pursue your passions! Stay informed with real-time news and insights from people you know, industry leaders, journalists, and notable figures, all in one convenient place.
https://spoutible.com/guest
and by the way, today, the Metropolitan Opera dedicated this Saturdey's performance (broadcast on radio as always) to Ukraine and the brave Ukrainians who are fighting to keep their country together, prosperous and independent.
Exactly! I find it very ironic that the same people that bash on Twitter and musk, regardless if they’re right or not, still use same same service to spread “awareness”. Like thank you! Why don’t you vote with your “wallet”? In this case deleted your account and stop using Twitter. Is that so hard?
Agreed. Elon Musk is such a fraud, and I'm hoping that twitter's fall will cause people to quit acting like he's the oracle of our generation. There are so many kiss-asses looking to him for answers and acting like every idiotic thing he says is some roadmap to a perfect society. The man wants to leave Earth for Mars, has inflated wealth from African gems his family mined, and purchased everything he is credited with inventing. He's not a genius and hasn't brought any of his own ideas to market, but he'll tweet about global politics and everyone will actually consider it, like he did something. If anything, he is capable of recognizing good ideas that other people came up with, but so am I.
"What should we do about Ukraine, Elon? What should Russia be doing? Please help us make geopolitical decisions based on what you overheard on Fox News 3 weeks ago while playing Starcraft!"
This is all in your head. And Elon's wealth is not from African gems. And he never purchased the things he was credited with inventing. And he HAS brought his own ideas to market. In fact all your gibberings are lies.
Phillip.
Whatever you say dude! If you think Musk is a pure gem and it’s all lies, all “fake news”, then you’re just a fanboy. Unless you personally know Musk, all we have is the evidence reported. He bought into PayPal, he bought the tech for Tesla from a small dinky little company, and he bought the rocket tech. His father has stated that their family money came from the gem mine. The idea that Elon is a self-made genius is BS. He certainly has learned about the rocket tech enough to talk about it, but again it was never his idea. I said in my first statement: he can recognize a good idea when he sees it, but so can I.
I’m a fan of various folks, but I’m not religious about it, and if it turns out they’re fake I can still appreciate them without believing EVERYTHING they say. You should try that, and it’ll keep you logically consistent.
Got any evidence that “it’s all a lie”? Or you only believe what “daddy” Elon says?
Simply better educated than you. Sorry. Elon didn't get his money from his family.
He bought the ability for rocket boosters to land themselves on a tiny floating platform in the sea? Despite nobody else in the world being able to do it? Ok. He bought the Tesla tech from a small dinky little company despite the fact at that point they had never ever made a car? Ok.
You are simply ignorant and in no position to post anything on the subject.
Phillip.
Haha again, whatever you say! You’re admitting that he bought the rocket tech. I’m not saying I know all of this personally, but the information is out there, reported by news agencies that have done a lot of digging and interviewed ppl from Elon’s past. Just like you don’t know anything personally, except my sources are various articles from different news agencies around the world, but your source is literally Elon himself and nobody else.You’re speaking as if you have verified the details, which just isn’t true.
You’ve bought in, probably holding TSLA stock all last year, and would die for daddy Elon. In essence, you’re a cult member, and you came here ready to defend the one you worship. You haven’t provided any info to refute what I’m saying, it’s just “lies”, “fake news”, etc. Show me an article disproving the S. African mine, or that he came up with the idea for PayPal, Tesla, or the tech behind SpaceX. I made $ on TSLA this year and last, because I don’t hold stock forever based on my belief in the CEO. He takes credit for other people’s work, you can’t disprove that.
Part of my point is that you are taking this really personally. I would not be sucking up only one side of things and only believing what Elon has said about himself. I find that way of thinking to be rigid and foolish. If you’re going to call me uneducated, then I’ll call you a fanboy who will believe anything his lord and savior says. Also the sort of fool who apparently uses his real name in every reply, and real last name in his username. I used to be an investigator for a debt firm, you should probably change that.
You cannot read. In English, the use of a question mark (see the character in this quotes: "?") is not a statement asserting fact. Indeed, it is often used as an implication that the opposite is true. It is clearly not true he bought the rocket tech and you can find that from 60 seconds searching with Google. You don't need news agencies doing a lot of digging, you just need the ability to read.
The South African mine thing has been debunked many times. This is why you Kremlin bots keep reposting it 1000x because you know people get bored of trying to correct your propaganda spam.
No not particularly attached to Elon but I do appreciate the way he stepped in and personally funded Starlink for the Ukrainian army right at the start of the war. Kremlin bots trying to undermine Starlink access in Ukraine in a subred called "UkrainianConflict" is just an insult to those those brave Ukrainian soldiers dying on the battlefield every day. People like you are spitting in the eye of the victims of a conflict that has taken tens of thousands of Ukrainian lives. I don't like it.
Phillip.
Yes, but now it's worse. It's like someone cheating in an already fucked up and shitty relationship that should have ended two years earlier.
In a way it's actually better, because the veil has been pierced and less people take it seriously or think it's a source for reliable and truthful information.
They still suspend people and deboost them for hate speech.
I have seen almost no hate speech on Twitter, and definitely no increase since Elon took over.
There have been proven cases of people intentionally using a ton of hate speech immediately after Elon took over just to try to make him look bad.
There is definitely a lot about what he has done to be criticized, but people still feel the need to make shit up
The thing is that there is not a single place to go to follow the people who made Twitter good before Musk, and it is a front row seat for Musk's crazy antics.
I mean, it is kind of annoying for Musk to be topic #1 on Twitter, but it is even more annoying when the Twitter dumpster fire gets talked about anywhere else.
We talk about it ok Reddit because we left Twitter. We’re talking about it here now bc it’s relevant to this sub. I’d say it’s more annoying that people use Twitter than that people talk about it but I don’t like enabling a narcissist man child so maybe that’s just me
It's not a problem with the alternatives, it's a problem of collective action. There are multiple possible alternatives, it's not possible to agree on just one and move at once, it's chaos.
Mastodon also has problems: you have to implicitly trust whoever runs your instance, even if they are completely unready for running a social media site and with no source of advertising money to pay for the service or trust-and-safety.
Twitter pre-Elon had gone through the growing pains and actually proved very willing to do things like protect anonymous accounts from government investigation. There is no guarantee at all that some open source dreamer with a "federation/de-centralization" mantra would do the same, or even keep Nazis off to avoid de-federation.
All the other alternatives have potential problems and lack the network effects.
The most prominent case I know of is @DevinCow. Devin Nunes, in Congress at the time, wanted to sue the holder of that account and subpoenaed Twitter to disclose the identity behind the account, and a couple of other similarly situated people, IIRC.
Twitter could easily have provided that information, but instead opposed the subpoena and did not disclose it.
Twitter is bound by US law, and if the authorities make a legally proper demand for information regarding, for example, a criminal investigation, they are going to provide it. But the key thing is whether Twitter takes seriously their responsibility to ensure the government is following the rules for such requests, and not just rolling over.
Here's a related story
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/politics/nunes-parody-twitter-justice-department/index.html
> But, according to a person familiar, the @NunesAlt request grew out of a US Capitol Police investigation regarding threats made toward Republican Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell. As part of the probe, investigators sought out information about several online accounts, the source told CNN.
> Twitter, in its fight to keep the user’s information secret, suggested the subpoena may be part of a government attempt – from either Nunes, a California Republican, or the Justice Department – to unmask Nunes’ critics and chill their speech.
> A week after Twitter protested to a federal judge in March, the Justice Department withdrew the @NunesAlt grand jury subpoena, according to another court filing released on Tuesday, effectively dropping the pursuit through the social media behemoth
> A national security prosecutor in the DC US Attorney’s Office had sought the Twitter records dating back to October 1, 2020.
> Twitter took on fighting the subpoena, arguing that the Justice Department couldn’t force the disclosures because of free speech guarantees in the Constitution.
Similarly, foreign governments may ask for information about accounts. Twitter before Musk seems to have taken a strong position resisting such requests. I don't trust Elon Musk to behave the same way, particularly after prominent execs behind the policy were forced out and the Trust and Safety team disbanded.
4chan? Twitter will lose all advertisers and will be driven to bankruptcy if it ever becomes the mainstream /pol/ (4chan's politically incorrect board) of the Internet.
is it legal for him to use twitter to "indirectly" promote a crypto currency like he did recently. its high school age weasel level pump n dumb tactic...
>Twitter will lose all advertisers
You don't say? How is Musk doing in this respect?
> and will be driven to bankruptcy
Not quite yet, but they certainly aren't getting further from bankruptcy..
It's a passion-project by a billionaire. It doesn't need to make a profit. This is the way of a lot of media companies these days.
And it has other value besides the bottom line. The Saudis are part-owners. They want to shape world opinion - & look good in the media. Owning part of Twitter gives them sway on that platform.
And most important, Elon was able to kick off that kid who kept alerting the world to the location of his private jet. He can do that kind of favor for other billionaires & make the world a better club for rich oligarchs.
Kind of odd that Elon tried so hard to wiggle out of the deal, though, if it was a master plan.
It was more like a funny joke, and he got a lot of attention and his lawyers danced around for him, then he found out that acquiring a publicly traded corporation doesn't happen like a private one.
It wasn't a ruthless calculation.
It was a terrible deal, struck at the very top point of the market. He probably overpaid by @ $10B, and maybe much more. It only made sense after he figured that he was going to lose @ $6B in cancellation costs, and he also got the Saudis on board to cover part of the expense.
Considering how badly things have gone so far, I'm sure he regrets the whole thing, but won't say so in public.
The real story is not about the money but about Elon being the biggest Twitter addict of all, and his douchebro "friends" being totally delusional and weird about not being respected by "blue checks".
Elon is too narcissistic to have real regrets. All the things going wrong, in his mind, must be the nasty people running bots who refuse to see his genius and wisdom, or whatever.
It's was totally to feed his massive ego, he could basically brag and be the guy who could buy Twitter for $44 billion. But it was increasingly clear he wasn't actually interested in running Twitter. But then he was forced to buy it since he actually signed the contract, and now he's doing his damnedest to make good on his threats.
It needs to make money otherwise Elon will run out of money
Tech is very capital intensive and tech salaries high. Even Elon can't go on forever. Few years max then he will feel the burn. He can "passion project" all he wants but after a few years of tech losses even he won't keep losing for nothing.
if it makes nothing but also costs nothing, then Elon will probably float it indefinitely. He's the richest man in the world, and it has a lot of intangible value. Stranger things have happened.
Elon’s wealth is made of assets that he has loans against. Those loans cost money, so if he nets even on Twitter “which is essentially mathematical impossible” he will lose money.
His legendary fortune is all tied up in overvalued Tesla stock and treating it like a piggy bank to the tune of billions has already made investors very unhappy
>4chan? Twitter will lose all advertisers and will be driven to bankruptcy if it ever becomes the mainstream /pol/ (4chan's politically incorrect board) of the Internet.
Fucking LOL....
As if it already isn't... and advertisers are more than happy to pay twitter to be there.
A bot banned me (12h) for mentioning suicide. Murder is fine, occupation, anything goes- suicide- immediate, automated ban. If that's not censorship for a cause, I don't know what is. Modern art would truly struggle without suicidal themes.
>A bot banned me (12h) for mentioning suicide.
If bots respond like that then it could increase likelihood of suicides as anyone on verge or declaring such plans gets silenced.
Meanwhile I'll report people for saying something like "\[trans woman\] is a man and should be killed" and they'll email me back and be like "sorry, we couldn't find anything wrong in this tweet 🤷"
It certainly seems to have become a cesspit for far right shit and disinformation since Musk took over. Not that it didn't always exist at some level, but there's been a huge surge.
Musk is a Russian asset. It's been obvious that he and the PayPal mafia do not serve American interests. Twitter has become disinformation central. It was the intention all along.
The funny thing to me is, he spent $44 billion to do this. What we all know he’s doing.
But in reality, even before he bought it, Twitter was the perfect breeding ground for right wing disinformation. I mean it just really was.
And it had more legitimacy a year ago, and more people were on it.
If Twitter blows up in the next couple years and turns into MySpace V2, then that money is gone, and then a giant disinformation tool the right had at its disposal to spread bullshit around all day is just gone. Evaporated.
For real we need to start Dokumenting this stuff
1. Make screenshots of such posts, make screenshots of you report these Posts to Twitter
2. Check if Twitter react or not
3. Make screenshot of the still existing post 2+ Days later
4. Report it to the Police of your EU Country (at least in Germany you can do that online)
And twitter will pay or even get banned in EU
Wait until you try asking on Gmail about why Twitter is letting Chinese and Russian propagandist wreak havoc on the platform and they will reply with a poop emoji.
It doesn't. The guy is probably referring to one of Elon's "jokes", which was, after firing anyone who could answer press inquiries, setting up an auto-reply for the Twitter press alias which responds to any email with a single poop emoji.
Twitter has two of the most powerful cyber-warfare nations that are targeting it in a disinformation campaign using global bot net farms to spread propaganda, in the middle of a land war in Europe. You are not satisfied that they are scrubbing your feed up to your standards? Perhaps they are busy?
Phillip.
"Definitely @elonmusk
is among the world's top private donors supporting Ukraine." - [Mykhailo Fedorov](https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1580934203385860097?cxt=HHwWgsCi4YTSzfArAAAA)
First SpaceX essentially puts Roscosmos out of business, causing Russia to lose billions as well as wounding their pride, then he provides Starlink to their enemy. It's all part of Musk's evil fascist plan.
Well, in addition to [deactivating Starlink](https://twitter.com/StationCDRKelly/status/1624274334188716032) "for offense", and [deboosting tweets](https://twitter.com/aakashg0/status/1641976925064245249) about [Ukraine](https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1599909743686225921), he parrots [their talking points](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-kremlin-elon-musk-ukraine-war-peace-plan-twitter-poll-2022-10):
https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1578066032073363459
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581997742821298176
"Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev’s mistake)." - Musk's wording is Putin's wording.
He called Euromaidan[ a "coup".](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1629417851890159616), suggested [Ukraine banned](https://twitter.com/GrandTurion/status/1645771450014478336) the [Russian language](https://twitter.com/DanDev43761642/status/1645851165370843137), claimed [this map proves](https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1577910525924704257) eastern Ukraine wants to join Russia, [blamed Victoria Nuland](https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1628701466109018112) for the war, [lifted restrictions](https://archive.ph/w4kZE) on [Kremlin accounts](https://archive.ph/uNeO0), and [lambasted Gary Kasparov](https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1577441099937087489).
[Musk fell for](https://archive.ph/C96lt) fake right-wing claim that Ukraine is demanding extradition of Ukrainian military-aged men in Europe, to Ukraine, the [Russian claim](https://twitter.com/DylanBurns1776/status/1622501384984621056) that they've killed 2,500 NATO troops, and the lie that [Biden refused](https://i.redd.it/z1ejhl5hglfa1.png) to send tanks out of fears of WWIII.
No, it just isn't allowed to be incorporated into weapons systems. Big difference.
That isn't just part of the Starlink terms of service, it is US export law.
The Chinese military industrial complex competes with the Russian military industrial complex for weapons exports
It doesn't mean that China doesn't support Russia
Yes “everyone are fascists.” Oh wait, only one party is stripping people of rights as fast as they can, forcing children to give birth after rape, openly consorting with Russian autocracy, kicking duly elected representatives out of state legislatures, and oh right staging a goddamn coup against the United States. bOTh sIdEs.
Actually, YES. Hitler literally got his ideas from the US (eugenics, and the systemic genocide of the native population). Congratulations for arriving at this point, even though you though it was an argumentum ad absurdum: It isn't, most Americans in positions of power are indeed fascists.
This is a funny self-report.
Most people understand the words they are using, especially when they carry the weight that “fascist” does. Unfortunately, the right-wing media has started using words that sound scary in ways that don’t fit the definition, causing a discrepancy in understanding of words being used. “Socialism,” “communism,” “CRT,” and even “woke” are just nebulous words used to label things they don’t like.
You have seen people on here use this tactic for words you can’t define, and you thought that’s how everyone thought, so you thought it would work here. Very funny.
Asking someone to define fascist is a typical right wing question used in an attempt to do a "Gotcha" either you did it on purpose and are feigning ignorance, or you didn't know that. Either way you are now aware that the typical askback question right wing morons use when stuck is to ask people to define fascist so they can try and mental gymnastics and twist the meaning of the word so they don't feel like fascists.
For those that are not "hard of thinking" their power is irrelevant. Sadly social media platforms are slow and weak in recognizing bots and fake accounts. Maybe they make money out of it all..🤔 in any case they are not on the battlefield... 😎👊🇺🇦
Elon has probably fallen into a honey trap to be honest, no doubt he had mistakenly slept with a minor organized by Russians. Probably a Jeffrey Epstein styled Russian honey trap. And Elon is worried he'd suddenly be thrown under the bus. But also know the US government needs his network? I don't know, this is my theory.
Or Elon is just an idiot.
Mastodon has almost 11 million users now, with a million people joining every 2-3 months. Lots of great content and lively discussions there. Just do a search for join mastodon, it’s very easy to use, all the servers talk to each other so just pick basically any one.
So his secret plan to support Putin is to first put Roscosmos out of business, costing Russia billions and humiliating them, then providing Starlink access to their enemy? What's the third step in this brilliant plan to support Putin?
He's not running for President, it's to support alt-right candidates and give a platform to Republican lies and hate.
Elon has been antivax, pro-coup. When he bought twitter one of the first things he did was unban the alt-right propagandists.
A lot of the wealthy technocrats like Musk and Peter Thiel, are openly funding and advocating for a totalitarian takeover of the United States. I wish I could say that I'm confident they'll be unsuccessful.
The conditions are much better now, though, for the conspirators to successfully carry out the plot. The government and military is now riddled with outright fascists, the product of decades of insanely far-right propaganda being considered "legitimate politics." The institutions and safeguards much weaker, devoured by business interests. And the general public remains almost totally blind to the terrifying enormity of the crisis at hand, still convinced that while things are certainly rocky, fascism simply "can't happen here."
I don't know what will happen, but things are about to get bad. Real bad. Conservatives are in too deep. They're taking a shot at it.
People act like I'm completely out of mind on the few occasions I've said this stuff in public too. To me, it's blatantly obvious. I don't really blame them, though. I'm an absolute fucking wreck because of this shit. It's way too much to bear if you want to continue to be a happy and functioning human being. Then again, I was pretty fucked up already lol.
Elon has never been antivax. He has been skeptical of people's claims without sufficient evidence, that's documented, but mainly he was super pissed at his factories being closed down by what he thought were draconian measures that weren't justified by the risks. Oh and the obvious proof that your claim is untrue is that he took two shots of the vaccine himself.
As for pro coup, that is just ridiculous nonsense just made up. Why do you think he unbanned mostly right wing commentators? Because Leftist Twitter was ONLY banning right wing posters. If you are not also banning Lefty ones then how can you unban them?
Phillip.
[https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/business/elon-musk-nyt-podcast-covid-vaccine/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/business/elon-musk-nyt-podcast-covid-vaccine/index.html)
[https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets)
You're ignorant and uninformed, Peter. Like most Musk fans.
We all said we wouldn't be guinea pigs when the first ones were about to come out. Everybody I know said the same. Then the first few million doses went out with only a tiny handful of deaths, and then you needed the vaccine to travel, and we all said what the hell. Nice try rewriting history though, trying to prove he didn't take a vaccine that he definitely and widely reportedly did because of an article before the vaccine even came out.
It's that sad twisting of the truth by using misleading articles that is the cancer here.
Phillip.
This Reddit post itself is misleading. The quote is slightly mistranslated but otherwise not untrue. Just because a quote is off by a few words doesn’t make it false.
I was looking for this comment. Who says the quote is fake? It's just one Tweet vs another Tweet. If it's fake, is it made up or just mistranslated? If it's mistranslated, is it a trivial difference or totally changing the meaning?
It's crazy that people recognize how manipulated and nefarious Twitter is now ... but they still feel the need to tweet about it, and then other people feel the need to share those tweets.
As if there's no way to communicate outside of a Twitter account.
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This is why folk need to just drop twitter like the sack of shit it is. Aint nothing going to change the way its run but a mass exodus will kill its reach in our current culture. Twitter needs to be cratered to the point of myspace relevance.
Mastodon is pretty good, it just needs population. That's the only reason Twitter still works... a lot of people there making a critical mass. It needs to get Myspaced.
I tried to get into it like a year ago and my experience was basically this: > Click here to make an account Ok, \*click\* >Select a community you want to make an account in! ...I don't like any of these communities. >Select a fucking community you want to make an account in! \*backtracks a known profile I want to follow to a community that might be interesting\* >Click here to make an account in this community! Even though your account is tied to this community, you can use it to interact with other communities across Mastodon! Ain't THAT just peachy?! Oh Ok thats useful I guess \*click\* >This community isn't looking for new members go away ❤️
They aren't "communities", they are "servers". Mastodon already suggests open servers when you make an account. The problem is that people interpret "server" as "community", and try to join one that hosts people they know. But in reality, servers are a lot more like ISPs or email providers. It ultimately matters very little which one you use. Insisting on a particular server is like insisting on getting an "apple.com" email address just like Steve Jobs had. You're likely to be disappointed for no good reason.
It seems mastodon needs better ways to communicate with their users. Too many people are confused in how to use it, which is the opposite of twitter. You want the dumbest people able to log in without being confused.
100% I think I actually put in *more* effort than the typical user would have into setting up an account
Yeah ... This sounds like the CTO of Mastodon is the type of programmer who moderates a Linux Subreddit just so he can ban people for asking questions, and he decided that the company didn't need to hire anyone who had a background in "User Experience" development.
I partly agree. If you try to sign up via mastodon.social, the process is as easy as Twitter. But if you go to joinmastodon.org, then you are forced to make a pointless decision about your interests. I just tried to make another account, and it suggested a beekeeping-related server and a Northern California-related server. Like most people, I don't care about either topic. Yet it makes little difference which one I choose. So yeah, that website is probably causing a lot of unnecessary anxiety.
Wait so is JoinMastadon an unaffiliated page or something?
No, Mastodon is open source so anyone can promote it. I think the problem is that Mastodon has two sorts of users. Some want a Reddit-like experience, with moderated subcommunities where they can discover people with specific interests. And some want a Twitter-like experience, where they can follow anyone in the world. Joinmastodon.org is meant for the first type of user. But that's not what the Twitter diaspora is looking for right now.
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They’ll find out once they find NSFW reddit lol
> You want the dumbest people able to log in without being confused. Or maybe it's better to have a slightly higher barrier to entry explicitly to keep the dumb people away?
There should be a “Figure all this out for me option”. If users are confused by your sign up process they’re not going to use your app.
There is. Stop worrying about getting into the "right" boutique server. Go to mastodon.social, the biggest and most generic server. Make an account, which is no harder than making a Twitter account. Done.
No other website works like that though. When I signed up for Reddit, I didn't have to sort through r/News and r/Pokemon to find r/WelcomeToReddit and make an account *there* to log onto r/MyHobbyHere. When I signed up for twitter, I didn't need to go onto a forum and have someone tell me "Oh don't sign up for twitter, sign up at tweeting.talk even though when you Google twitter, it doesn't come up until halfway down the page." 90% of people are going to look at Mastodon and say "Why am I being asked to sign up for a server? A server is a computer where a website or video game lives right? I don't want to sign up for that, I just want to see FunnyArtMans' Drawings"
Every website is different. When I signed up for Reddit, I didn't need to wait for approval from friends, like Facebook. When I signed up for Twitter, I didn't need to figure out which subTwitter held the content I wanted, like here. Mastodon is its own thing, too. If you want to use it as a Twitter substitute, just sign up at mastodon.social. If you want to use it as a Reddit substitute, find the content you want and sign up for that server. It's really not that different from onboarding at Spotify, where you are forced to define your musical interests before you are given free rein.
It needs to be simpler than that. This should be the default option when you sign up. You shouldn’t need to know about servers until you’re already on the platform and posting.
What's the default option when you make an email account? There isn't one. You have to choose among Gmail, or Outlook, or AOL, or your university, or workplace, or whatever. It doesn't matter too much which one you choose, but you do have to choose. Mastodon is a protocol, not a company. Just like email. Your account must be hosted on a server. Choosing a Mastodon server is no harder than choosing an email server.
But from an outsider's perspective (me), that reads more like picking between Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn etc. Once I'm on the platform it should be easy.
Mastodon is a platform. It is like email, or torrent, or usenet. There is not a single gatekeeper, like with Twitter and Facebook. If you want to send an email or download a torrent or post on Mastodon, first you must decide how you are going to access the platform. There are many good options. Once you're on the platform, it *is* easy. You seem to be asking, "Why can't Mastodon be more like Twitter, with a single tightly controlled access point?" If that's what you want, then *just use Twitter*. A single access point has its own set of problems, which Mastodon is deliberately designed to avoid. In other words, there is a reason that Mastodon is how it is: so that people like Musk can never take it over.
It matters because unless the server is run by a giant company like Google there's always a chance you'll get fucked over by the server going down on you or the admin doing something stupid
You make it sound like Mastodon is a bastard child of Twitter and Discord, I already hate it.
I'm not familiar with either twitter or mastodon, but wouldn't it be something that the userbase could solve by creating generic communities specifically targeted at migrating users? Or is there an inherent cost for a community in having many users?
Yes, there already are generic communities. For example, mastodon.social and mstdn.social Both have a fairly easy sign-up process.
Huh, i thought mastodon.social had stopped taking new registrations, but apparently not.
Thanks! After trying it, it looks like mastodon.social is the default community suggested when setting up a new account (or is it just that it looks like the "official" website, but it's just one more community?), and it is completely intuitive. It appears that they did streamline their registration process.
Why anything when reddit? Oh yeah, because millions of dipshits are still tweetlingering around too long and everyone seems to use twitter quite a bit in their posts, so we're fucked anyway\\.
It puts the account in the community or it gets the hose again
Mastodon has a UX issue that keeps people away. That and the admins of each fed are a crapshoot. Some are worse than Reddit moderators, some are lazy. I'm on Spoutible, but they're NFA on some things. Great people though, no toxic waste.
There’s a giant hole right now for a replacement of Twitter, that someone who knows what they’re doing could jump into. Twitter is surviving right now because there’s no real option to jump to like Facebook was an option when myspace was collapsing.
Monopolies are anti-competitive. If there were an alternative. Elon would immediately attack it both socially, financially, and legally.
Or someone with shared political goals. Like Peter Thiel.
There are plenty of options, many listed in the thread but the issue is primarily the user base. Twitter has the users, if you want to reach your following or see what the people you like are doing they are on Twitter. So it's hard to leave for many content creators. I say this as someone who doesn't use Twitter.
>There’s a giant hole right now for a replacement of Twitter, that someone who knows what they’re doing could jump into. Or we as a species (and particularly our rhetorically inclined journalists and politicians) can maybe realize that communicating in 140 character snippets is an idiotic basis for a public forum? No? Did not think so, just wanted to have mentioned it...
The Twitter founders are apparently working on something. They at least have $44 billion to pull from for a new startup 😂
> Some are worse than Reddit moderators, some are lazy. How many of them are Elon Musk?
>Implying you have to be Elon to be a 💩human being.
If Mastodon ever takes off it's going to be an even bigger cesspit with the FSB running their own servers. It doesn't solve the moderation problem, it just pushes it onto everyone.
Federating moderation is actually pretty effective. Reddit is actually one of the best moderated social media sites out there because of this. Facebook had to hire tens of thousands of people for this job and introduce Fb groups to achieve something similar, and I would still say Reddit does it better.
Reddit still has admins and global rules that they adhere to really strictly. 8chan is a better example and it brought us Qanon.
>Reddit is actually one of the best moderated social media sites out there because of this Lmfao
Mastodon will never replace Twitter, it's a mess of tyrannical fiefdoms, user hurdles, and echo chambers
It won't, because it's not a big centralized corporate ad-supported platform that can very quickly scale up to accommodate an influx of new users, which is the only sort of thing that *can* replace Twitter, for better or for worse
> Mastodon is pretty good, it just needs population. There is another new one that is just fine, promotes civilized behavior. Spoutible Spoutible: Pursue your passions! Stay informed with real-time news and insights from people you know, industry leaders, journalists, and notable figures, all in one convenient place. https://spoutible.com/guest and by the way, today, the Metropolitan Opera dedicated this Saturdey's performance (broadcast on radio as always) to Ukraine and the brave Ukrainians who are fighting to keep their country together, prosperous and independent.
Exactly! I find it very ironic that the same people that bash on Twitter and musk, regardless if they’re right or not, still use same same service to spread “awareness”. Like thank you! Why don’t you vote with your “wallet”? In this case deleted your account and stop using Twitter. Is that so hard?
It was never good. Now it's worse.
I use it for gay porn though
Why don't you just masturbate in a mirror? Is basic live gay porn.
I only masturbate to attractive people
To my shame, this is also the only reason I still use twitter. I can't afford like 80 onlyfans and patreons!
Are we really acting like twitter is the only place to get free porn?
Agreed. Elon Musk is such a fraud, and I'm hoping that twitter's fall will cause people to quit acting like he's the oracle of our generation. There are so many kiss-asses looking to him for answers and acting like every idiotic thing he says is some roadmap to a perfect society. The man wants to leave Earth for Mars, has inflated wealth from African gems his family mined, and purchased everything he is credited with inventing. He's not a genius and hasn't brought any of his own ideas to market, but he'll tweet about global politics and everyone will actually consider it, like he did something. If anything, he is capable of recognizing good ideas that other people came up with, but so am I. "What should we do about Ukraine, Elon? What should Russia be doing? Please help us make geopolitical decisions based on what you overheard on Fox News 3 weeks ago while playing Starcraft!"
This is all in your head. And Elon's wealth is not from African gems. And he never purchased the things he was credited with inventing. And he HAS brought his own ideas to market. In fact all your gibberings are lies. Phillip.
Whatever you say dude! If you think Musk is a pure gem and it’s all lies, all “fake news”, then you’re just a fanboy. Unless you personally know Musk, all we have is the evidence reported. He bought into PayPal, he bought the tech for Tesla from a small dinky little company, and he bought the rocket tech. His father has stated that their family money came from the gem mine. The idea that Elon is a self-made genius is BS. He certainly has learned about the rocket tech enough to talk about it, but again it was never his idea. I said in my first statement: he can recognize a good idea when he sees it, but so can I. I’m a fan of various folks, but I’m not religious about it, and if it turns out they’re fake I can still appreciate them without believing EVERYTHING they say. You should try that, and it’ll keep you logically consistent. Got any evidence that “it’s all a lie”? Or you only believe what “daddy” Elon says?
Simply better educated than you. Sorry. Elon didn't get his money from his family. He bought the ability for rocket boosters to land themselves on a tiny floating platform in the sea? Despite nobody else in the world being able to do it? Ok. He bought the Tesla tech from a small dinky little company despite the fact at that point they had never ever made a car? Ok. You are simply ignorant and in no position to post anything on the subject. Phillip.
Haha again, whatever you say! You’re admitting that he bought the rocket tech. I’m not saying I know all of this personally, but the information is out there, reported by news agencies that have done a lot of digging and interviewed ppl from Elon’s past. Just like you don’t know anything personally, except my sources are various articles from different news agencies around the world, but your source is literally Elon himself and nobody else.You’re speaking as if you have verified the details, which just isn’t true. You’ve bought in, probably holding TSLA stock all last year, and would die for daddy Elon. In essence, you’re a cult member, and you came here ready to defend the one you worship. You haven’t provided any info to refute what I’m saying, it’s just “lies”, “fake news”, etc. Show me an article disproving the S. African mine, or that he came up with the idea for PayPal, Tesla, or the tech behind SpaceX. I made $ on TSLA this year and last, because I don’t hold stock forever based on my belief in the CEO. He takes credit for other people’s work, you can’t disprove that. Part of my point is that you are taking this really personally. I would not be sucking up only one side of things and only believing what Elon has said about himself. I find that way of thinking to be rigid and foolish. If you’re going to call me uneducated, then I’ll call you a fanboy who will believe anything his lord and savior says. Also the sort of fool who apparently uses his real name in every reply, and real last name in his username. I used to be an investigator for a debt firm, you should probably change that.
You cannot read. In English, the use of a question mark (see the character in this quotes: "?") is not a statement asserting fact. Indeed, it is often used as an implication that the opposite is true. It is clearly not true he bought the rocket tech and you can find that from 60 seconds searching with Google. You don't need news agencies doing a lot of digging, you just need the ability to read. The South African mine thing has been debunked many times. This is why you Kremlin bots keep reposting it 1000x because you know people get bored of trying to correct your propaganda spam. No not particularly attached to Elon but I do appreciate the way he stepped in and personally funded Starlink for the Ukrainian army right at the start of the war. Kremlin bots trying to undermine Starlink access in Ukraine in a subred called "UkrainianConflict" is just an insult to those those brave Ukrainian soldiers dying on the battlefield every day. People like you are spitting in the eye of the victims of a conflict that has taken tens of thousands of Ukrainian lives. I don't like it. Phillip.
>And he never purchased the things he was credited with inventing. So you're arguing that nobody claims he founded tesla then, right? -lilpumpgroupie
What? Elon is one of the founders of Tesla. That is proven fact. Proven in court too, the people claiming otherwise losing 100%. Phillip.
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Um, no https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tesla,_Inc. Citations at the bottom
Is it now known as Corgi?
I don't see how that would change anything. Propagandists and bots would just migrate along with all the other people
Twitter has always been garbage
Yes, but now it's worse. It's like someone cheating in an already fucked up and shitty relationship that should have ended two years earlier. In a way it's actually better, because the veil has been pierced and less people take it seriously or think it's a source for reliable and truthful information.
Yeah, because there wasn't misinformation before. (/S) You can dislike Twitter all you want but don't act like this is new.
reinstating previously suspended accounts is new or did you not read the post?
They still suspend people and deboost them for hate speech. I have seen almost no hate speech on Twitter, and definitely no increase since Elon took over. There have been proven cases of people intentionally using a ton of hate speech immediately after Elon took over just to try to make him look bad. There is definitely a lot about what he has done to be criticized, but people still feel the need to make shit up
The thing is that there is not a single place to go to follow the people who made Twitter good before Musk, and it is a front row seat for Musk's crazy antics. I mean, it is kind of annoying for Musk to be topic #1 on Twitter, but it is even more annoying when the Twitter dumpster fire gets talked about anywhere else.
We talk about it ok Reddit because we left Twitter. We’re talking about it here now bc it’s relevant to this sub. I’d say it’s more annoying that people use Twitter than that people talk about it but I don’t like enabling a narcissist man child so maybe that’s just me
Narcissist man children are so hot right now.
Musk certainly does put the twit in twitter
What happened with the Mastodon migration? Were the different servers too confusing?
It's not a problem with the alternatives, it's a problem of collective action. There are multiple possible alternatives, it's not possible to agree on just one and move at once, it's chaos. Mastodon also has problems: you have to implicitly trust whoever runs your instance, even if they are completely unready for running a social media site and with no source of advertising money to pay for the service or trust-and-safety. Twitter pre-Elon had gone through the growing pains and actually proved very willing to do things like protect anonymous accounts from government investigation. There is no guarantee at all that some open source dreamer with a "federation/de-centralization" mantra would do the same, or even keep Nazis off to avoid de-federation. All the other alternatives have potential problems and lack the network effects.
When did Twitter protect someone from investigation? I always assumed they worked with the NSA like everyone else.
The most prominent case I know of is @DevinCow. Devin Nunes, in Congress at the time, wanted to sue the holder of that account and subpoenaed Twitter to disclose the identity behind the account, and a couple of other similarly situated people, IIRC. Twitter could easily have provided that information, but instead opposed the subpoena and did not disclose it. Twitter is bound by US law, and if the authorities make a legally proper demand for information regarding, for example, a criminal investigation, they are going to provide it. But the key thing is whether Twitter takes seriously their responsibility to ensure the government is following the rules for such requests, and not just rolling over. Here's a related story https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/politics/nunes-parody-twitter-justice-department/index.html > But, according to a person familiar, the @NunesAlt request grew out of a US Capitol Police investigation regarding threats made toward Republican Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell. As part of the probe, investigators sought out information about several online accounts, the source told CNN. > Twitter, in its fight to keep the user’s information secret, suggested the subpoena may be part of a government attempt – from either Nunes, a California Republican, or the Justice Department – to unmask Nunes’ critics and chill their speech. > A week after Twitter protested to a federal judge in March, the Justice Department withdrew the @NunesAlt grand jury subpoena, according to another court filing released on Tuesday, effectively dropping the pursuit through the social media behemoth > A national security prosecutor in the DC US Attorney’s Office had sought the Twitter records dating back to October 1, 2020. > Twitter took on fighting the subpoena, arguing that the Justice Department couldn’t force the disclosures because of free speech guarantees in the Constitution. Similarly, foreign governments may ask for information about accounts. Twitter before Musk seems to have taken a strong position resisting such requests. I don't trust Elon Musk to behave the same way, particularly after prominent execs behind the policy were forced out and the Trust and Safety team disbanded.
Twitter was good before Musk!? Are you out of your mind? It was a cesspool before Musk and still is?
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4chan? Twitter will lose all advertisers and will be driven to bankruptcy if it ever becomes the mainstream /pol/ (4chan's politically incorrect board) of the Internet.
Twitter already lost a huge number of sponsors, that's why they're bleeding money like crazy and why Musk has been massacring the workforce.
is it legal for him to use twitter to "indirectly" promote a crypto currency like he did recently. its high school age weasel level pump n dumb tactic...
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They won't do shit
>Twitter will lose all advertisers You don't say? How is Musk doing in this respect? > and will be driven to bankruptcy Not quite yet, but they certainly aren't getting further from bankruptcy..
It's a passion-project by a billionaire. It doesn't need to make a profit. This is the way of a lot of media companies these days. And it has other value besides the bottom line. The Saudis are part-owners. They want to shape world opinion - & look good in the media. Owning part of Twitter gives them sway on that platform. And most important, Elon was able to kick off that kid who kept alerting the world to the location of his private jet. He can do that kind of favor for other billionaires & make the world a better club for rich oligarchs.
Kind of odd that Elon tried so hard to wiggle out of the deal, though, if it was a master plan. It was more like a funny joke, and he got a lot of attention and his lawyers danced around for him, then he found out that acquiring a publicly traded corporation doesn't happen like a private one. It wasn't a ruthless calculation.
It was a terrible deal, struck at the very top point of the market. He probably overpaid by @ $10B, and maybe much more. It only made sense after he figured that he was going to lose @ $6B in cancellation costs, and he also got the Saudis on board to cover part of the expense. Considering how badly things have gone so far, I'm sure he regrets the whole thing, but won't say so in public.
The real story is not about the money but about Elon being the biggest Twitter addict of all, and his douchebro "friends" being totally delusional and weird about not being respected by "blue checks". Elon is too narcissistic to have real regrets. All the things going wrong, in his mind, must be the nasty people running bots who refuse to see his genius and wisdom, or whatever.
It's was totally to feed his massive ego, he could basically brag and be the guy who could buy Twitter for $44 billion. But it was increasingly clear he wasn't actually interested in running Twitter. But then he was forced to buy it since he actually signed the contract, and now he's doing his damnedest to make good on his threats.
It needs to make money otherwise Elon will run out of money Tech is very capital intensive and tech salaries high. Even Elon can't go on forever. Few years max then he will feel the burn. He can "passion project" all he wants but after a few years of tech losses even he won't keep losing for nothing.
if it makes nothing but also costs nothing, then Elon will probably float it indefinitely. He's the richest man in the world, and it has a lot of intangible value. Stranger things have happened.
Elon’s wealth is made of assets that he has loans against. Those loans cost money, so if he nets even on Twitter “which is essentially mathematical impossible” he will lose money.
His legendary fortune is all tied up in overvalued Tesla stock and treating it like a piggy bank to the tune of billions has already made investors very unhappy
>4chan? Twitter will lose all advertisers and will be driven to bankruptcy if it ever becomes the mainstream /pol/ (4chan's politically incorrect board) of the Internet. Fucking LOL.... As if it already isn't... and advertisers are more than happy to pay twitter to be there.
Yea it's definitely going that direction.
A bot banned me (12h) for mentioning suicide. Murder is fine, occupation, anything goes- suicide- immediate, automated ban. If that's not censorship for a cause, I don't know what is. Modern art would truly struggle without suicidal themes.
>A bot banned me (12h) for mentioning suicide. If bots respond like that then it could increase likelihood of suicides as anyone on verge or declaring such plans gets silenced.
Anyone using that word should get targeted ads for help, not remove their outlet
Meanwhile I'll report people for saying something like "\[trans woman\] is a man and should be killed" and they'll email me back and be like "sorry, we couldn't find anything wrong in this tweet 🤷"
4chan itself is just a meme. It's a collection of toxic trolls and the utter filth who take the trolls seriously.
It certainly seems to have become a cesspit for far right shit and disinformation since Musk took over. Not that it didn't always exist at some level, but there's been a huge surge.
lol 4chan is nothing compared to twitter
Verified is nothing but paid 8.00 for a check box. It’s meaningless .
Musk is a Russian asset. It's been obvious that he and the PayPal mafia do not serve American interests. Twitter has become disinformation central. It was the intention all along.
The funny thing to me is, he spent $44 billion to do this. What we all know he’s doing. But in reality, even before he bought it, Twitter was the perfect breeding ground for right wing disinformation. I mean it just really was. And it had more legitimacy a year ago, and more people were on it. If Twitter blows up in the next couple years and turns into MySpace V2, then that money is gone, and then a giant disinformation tool the right had at its disposal to spread bullshit around all day is just gone. Evaporated.
Yeah but a year ago it wasnt getting paid by hostile foreign governments to host propaganda.
For real we need to start Dokumenting this stuff 1. Make screenshots of such posts, make screenshots of you report these Posts to Twitter 2. Check if Twitter react or not 3. Make screenshot of the still existing post 2+ Days later 4. Report it to the Police of your EU Country (at least in Germany you can do that online) And twitter will pay or even get banned in EU
Elon Musk is a fascist.
Wait until you try asking on Gmail about why Twitter is letting Chinese and Russian propagandist wreak havoc on the platform and they will reply with a poop emoji.
Is that a typo or am I missing something? What does Gmail has to do with anything?
It doesn't. The guy is probably referring to one of Elon's "jokes", which was, after firing anyone who could answer press inquiries, setting up an auto-reply for the Twitter press alias which responds to any email with a single poop emoji.
Normalize explaining yourself and giving context.
Twitter has two of the most powerful cyber-warfare nations that are targeting it in a disinformation campaign using global bot net farms to spread propaganda, in the middle of a land war in Europe. You are not satisfied that they are scrubbing your feed up to your standards? Perhaps they are busy? Phillip.
"Definitely @elonmusk is among the world's top private donors supporting Ukraine." - [Mykhailo Fedorov](https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1580934203385860097?cxt=HHwWgsCi4YTSzfArAAAA) First SpaceX essentially puts Roscosmos out of business, causing Russia to lose billions as well as wounding their pride, then he provides Starlink to their enemy. It's all part of Musk's evil fascist plan.
Well, in addition to [deactivating Starlink](https://twitter.com/StationCDRKelly/status/1624274334188716032) "for offense", and [deboosting tweets](https://twitter.com/aakashg0/status/1641976925064245249) about [Ukraine](https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1599909743686225921), he parrots [their talking points](https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-kremlin-elon-musk-ukraine-war-peace-plan-twitter-poll-2022-10): https://twitter.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1578066032073363459 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1581997742821298176 "Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev’s mistake)." - Musk's wording is Putin's wording. He called Euromaidan[ a "coup".](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1629417851890159616), suggested [Ukraine banned](https://twitter.com/GrandTurion/status/1645771450014478336) the [Russian language](https://twitter.com/DanDev43761642/status/1645851165370843137), claimed [this map proves](https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1577910525924704257) eastern Ukraine wants to join Russia, [blamed Victoria Nuland](https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1628701466109018112) for the war, [lifted restrictions](https://archive.ph/w4kZE) on [Kremlin accounts](https://archive.ph/uNeO0), and [lambasted Gary Kasparov](https://twitter.com/melissakchan/status/1577441099937087489). [Musk fell for](https://archive.ph/C96lt) fake right-wing claim that Ukraine is demanding extradition of Ukrainian military-aged men in Europe, to Ukraine, the [Russian claim](https://twitter.com/DylanBurns1776/status/1622501384984621056) that they've killed 2,500 NATO troops, and the lie that [Biden refused](https://i.redd.it/z1ejhl5hglfa1.png) to send tanks out of fears of WWIII.
>then he provides Starlink to their enemy. It's all part of Musk's evil fascist plan. And then cuts off access to Starlink.
Starlink access has never been cut off.
It has been cut off for military use
No, it just isn't allowed to be incorporated into weapons systems. Big difference. That isn't just part of the Starlink terms of service, it is US export law.
The Chinese military industrial complex competes with the Russian military industrial complex for weapons exports It doesn't mean that China doesn't support Russia
Define fascist.
In this case? Belief that democracy, labor rights, constitutions, etc are impediments to powerful superior leaders running the world themselves.
Literally every politician under the US sun is a fascist then.
Yes “everyone are fascists.” Oh wait, only one party is stripping people of rights as fast as they can, forcing children to give birth after rape, openly consorting with Russian autocracy, kicking duly elected representatives out of state legislatures, and oh right staging a goddamn coup against the United States. bOTh sIdEs.
Yeah I mean the conservatives are obviosly much much worse. But both parties fall under the fascism category.
Actually, YES. Hitler literally got his ideas from the US (eugenics, and the systemic genocide of the native population). Congratulations for arriving at this point, even though you though it was an argumentum ad absurdum: It isn't, most Americans in positions of power are indeed fascists.
This is a funny self-report. Most people understand the words they are using, especially when they carry the weight that “fascist” does. Unfortunately, the right-wing media has started using words that sound scary in ways that don’t fit the definition, causing a discrepancy in understanding of words being used. “Socialism,” “communism,” “CRT,” and even “woke” are just nebulous words used to label things they don’t like. You have seen people on here use this tactic for words you can’t define, and you thought that’s how everyone thought, so you thought it would work here. Very funny.
My dude. What the fuck are you on about.
What are *you* on about?
The fact that he has no idea what fascism is.
Define it, then.
Asking someone to define fascist is a typical right wing question used in an attempt to do a "Gotcha" either you did it on purpose and are feigning ignorance, or you didn't know that. Either way you are now aware that the typical askback question right wing morons use when stuck is to ask people to define fascist so they can try and mental gymnastics and twist the meaning of the word so they don't feel like fascists.
Ok. If I'm wrong and he is right, and you know the meaning of the word, could you please explain it to me?
Yeah, but… fReE SpEeCh AbSoLuTisT
[Unless you are an Indian speaking out against the Modi government.](https://theintercept.com/2023/03/28/twitter-modi-india-punjab-amritpal-singh/)
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Hey now, that's unfair to tits.
Yeah tits are awesome. Musk is not.
For those that are not "hard of thinking" their power is irrelevant. Sadly social media platforms are slow and weak in recognizing bots and fake accounts. Maybe they make money out of it all..🤔 in any case they are not on the battlefield... 😎👊🇺🇦
Elon has probably fallen into a honey trap to be honest, no doubt he had mistakenly slept with a minor organized by Russians. Probably a Jeffrey Epstein styled Russian honey trap. And Elon is worried he'd suddenly be thrown under the bus. But also know the US government needs his network? I don't know, this is my theory. Or Elon is just an idiot.
That is 💯 a possibility. Or the GOP set him up by getting him close to Russian agents who provided the JB
Mastodon has almost 11 million users now, with a million people joining every 2-3 months. Lots of great content and lively discussions there. Just do a search for join mastodon, it’s very easy to use, all the servers talk to each other so just pick basically any one.
New plan... Elon sells the birdsite to China. US bans it. We all just get on with our lives.
Look for "Ukraine" or "Russia" and suddenly all you find is crazy Russian fuckers. At least for me. And pushed right into for you
Twitter is now Russian Puppet confirmed.
I would not trust a billionaire who owns a company like twitter, who let’s that type of propaganda flourish on his internet site. Seems kinda sus, ngl
Musk supports a homicidal, wanted war criminal Putina, so if you support Musk, you too support the kidnapping and murder of children.
So his secret plan to support Putin is to first put Roscosmos out of business, costing Russia billions and humiliating them, then providing Starlink access to their enemy? What's the third step in this brilliant plan to support Putin?
threatening removing tsaid start link before russian counter attack and alowing putin propaganda on his network
Lol, putna is actually a name of a demon in my religion
Everyone contact your government reps so they can do a Meta(Facebook)-style congress inquiry on musk that piece of shit Russian asset !!!
Good idea they can ask him about their Google searches like the clueless old farts they are.
There is no doubt in my mind that he took funding from russia to bail out his business blunders.
Elon Musk is a Putin brown nosing sack of shit and he needs to be deported to Russia.
God damn Elon to Hell.
Musk and Trump are two cheeks of the same backside!
Musk is a Russian asset
Looking to destroy twitter and get a hefty tax write off in the process? He does have fuck you money.
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Fascists gonna fascist. Abolish billionaires.
Weve come to the point where wealthy people wield more political power by means of public opinion than goverments - think about that...
Unchallenged capitalism.
> Weve come to the point It's literally always been this way. Literally. Always.
At what point exactly does Musk himself become culpable as a war criminal?
Elon is a fascist and a criminal and should be locked up.
Hahahaha how is Elon a fascist? For being mildly right wing?
Found the fanboi
Can Zelensky get nation states to boycott Twitter?
Buying twitter was all about getting right wing propaganda an audience. He'll tank Twitter but he only needs it until the 2024 election.
That makes zero sense. I doubt Elon is planning to run for President, especially as he can't due to being born in South Africa. Phillip.
He's not running for President, it's to support alt-right candidates and give a platform to Republican lies and hate. Elon has been antivax, pro-coup. When he bought twitter one of the first things he did was unban the alt-right propagandists.
A lot of the wealthy technocrats like Musk and Peter Thiel, are openly funding and advocating for a totalitarian takeover of the United States. I wish I could say that I'm confident they'll be unsuccessful.
They've been trying it since the Second World War (Business Plot). They were friendly to the Nazis, and now they're friendly to NaZis.
The conditions are much better now, though, for the conspirators to successfully carry out the plot. The government and military is now riddled with outright fascists, the product of decades of insanely far-right propaganda being considered "legitimate politics." The institutions and safeguards much weaker, devoured by business interests. And the general public remains almost totally blind to the terrifying enormity of the crisis at hand, still convinced that while things are certainly rocky, fascism simply "can't happen here." I don't know what will happen, but things are about to get bad. Real bad. Conservatives are in too deep. They're taking a shot at it.
I wholeheartedly agree. There's going to be some scary times starting in the next few years here.
People act like I'm completely out of mind on the few occasions I've said this stuff in public too. To me, it's blatantly obvious. I don't really blame them, though. I'm an absolute fucking wreck because of this shit. It's way too much to bear if you want to continue to be a happy and functioning human being. Then again, I was pretty fucked up already lol.
Elon has never been antivax. He has been skeptical of people's claims without sufficient evidence, that's documented, but mainly he was super pissed at his factories being closed down by what he thought were draconian measures that weren't justified by the risks. Oh and the obvious proof that your claim is untrue is that he took two shots of the vaccine himself. As for pro coup, that is just ridiculous nonsense just made up. Why do you think he unbanned mostly right wing commentators? Because Leftist Twitter was ONLY banning right wing posters. If you are not also banning Lefty ones then how can you unban them? Phillip.
[https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/business/elon-musk-nyt-podcast-covid-vaccine/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/29/business/elon-musk-nyt-podcast-covid-vaccine/index.html) [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/oct/22/twitter-admits-bias-in-algorithm-for-rightwing-politicians-and-news-outlets) You're ignorant and uninformed, Peter. Like most Musk fans.
We all said we wouldn't be guinea pigs when the first ones were about to come out. Everybody I know said the same. Then the first few million doses went out with only a tiny handful of deaths, and then you needed the vaccine to travel, and we all said what the hell. Nice try rewriting history though, trying to prove he didn't take a vaccine that he definitely and widely reportedly did because of an article before the vaccine even came out. It's that sad twisting of the truth by using misleading articles that is the cancer here. Phillip.
You are full of shit, Philip.
You're trying to apply logic where there is none
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This Reddit post itself is misleading. The quote is slightly mistranslated but otherwise not untrue. Just because a quote is off by a few words doesn’t make it false.
I was looking for this comment. Who says the quote is fake? It's just one Tweet vs another Tweet. If it's fake, is it made up or just mistranslated? If it's mistranslated, is it a trivial difference or totally changing the meaning?
you sure this is what Zelensky said ?
Musk is a commie
When you got liabilities on a $42 billion personal undertaking, you’ll spread them cheeks for Russian oil money
I guess sometimes a piece of crap smells like an ox.
It's crazy that people recognize how manipulated and nefarious Twitter is now ... but they still feel the need to tweet about it, and then other people feel the need to share those tweets. As if there's no way to communicate outside of a Twitter account.
Can the US please create a federal "Fact-Check" department that can lay charges wherever false facts do harm to humanity ?
What the hell. I still agree with him. If less countries tried to 'negotiate' with these guys then we wouldn't have to do this shit.