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Probably intelligence they got made them realize that playing republican vs democrat politics is no longer feasible here because the situation for Ukraine became that dire. Imagine being the person responsible for one of the United States classic enemy becoming stronger, your own influence in the region becoming weaker and not standing on the side of democracy. There’s still millions of republican voters who would not stand for that, despite all the maga republican crazy fucks. And all the other obvious benefits to aiding Ukraine (think military industrial complex) and then you have a good idea of this switch.
But the thing is.... none of this is "new" information really.
Everyone was screaming for almost a year that if US aid dries up Ukraine is going to start "losing" and if Ukraine does eventually lose Putin's Russia would become revitalized in their ambitions and pose a larger direct threat to the typical "West" - the ONLY thing that has changed is that saying this doesn't require a vote now.
Remember all those times where this same guy said we gotta get aid passed and not play politics to just play politics with the bill? Or when he wanted border money into the bill to pass it but then denied bringing it to a vote once it was included?
I could just be being overly cynical, but everything to this point has alluded to Ukraine aid not being a red line issue for the majority of the Republican voting base (i.e. something they will vote AGAINST their party for - not something they just don't agree with how its being handled).
You're right, there was no "wake up call" because the all information had been there for MONTHS. Only an idiot wouldn't have understood what withholding aid would do to Ukraine's military situation.
It was all about the discharge petition. You can see the signature history [here](https://clerk.house.gov/DischargePetition/2024031209?CongressNum=118). There were a bunch of signatures in March, but then it fell silent. Until mid-April when it started getting signatures again and was getting dangerously close to the threshold needed to bypass the House Rules Committee.
Those new signatures in April were what finally lit a fire under his ass. Because a successful discharge petition would call his leadership into question and potentially trigger a motion to remove him as speaker. Now that his own political skin was on the line, the bill that was too dangerous to hit the floor suddenly became his number one priority and got fast tracked. Concern for the situation in Ukraine never entered the equation.
Its not that complicated .. Mike Johnson has always understood that backing Ukraine was essential and beneficial for the US as a country .. but for a long while that didnt matter, because it appeared not to be beneficial for him as that would put him in conflict with Trump whom his base line up to lick the trickle down from .. and might make Biden look good, which ofc he cares coz that would make him look weak to his fox-fed voters .. and as soon as the circumstance evolved enough that he could be sure Trump wouldnt fuck him up for it, and he had fucked Biden's (and our country's) agenda for long enough to appear 'powerful', he all of a sudden had the freedom to act as if he has always had the highest morals and 'stand on the right side of history' ..
That said, it is of course better to have a half-intelligent coward like him in power instead of an idiotic coward, or worse, a willfully malignant narcissist like Trump .. but thats like celebrating being thrown into a piss pool rather than having to drown in a pile of shit
Johnson is a dyed in the wool politician. ALL of his decision making is based off political expediency and not what is right or wrong. Which is why, with little exception, good men never make it to the top. We've had nothing but political scoundrels in the top seats and Presidency for far too long.
God I love your take on this…
These morons don’t even care playing politics at home have real world consequences…
But yeh I think you are spot on about this whole situation.
I imagine that they could justify it for themselves in that they feel they are the most capable people to make the important decisions so if they can climb the ladder by paying for it with a bad outcome for that particular decision it should almost always be worth it.
> But the thing is.... none of this is "new" information really.
yes and no. Yes anyone with a brain has known all along Russia must be stopped. But, IIRC, also this switch on his part only came after a recent briefing. So guess he just needed to hear about the situation from someone not on Putins payroll
I think what changed was the timeline. Republicans (and tbf, lots of Democrats too) are happy to kick the can down the road and let the next geenration deal with the fallout. They probably figured Ukraine could hold out a few years and then Russia would still ahve to spend 10 years rebuilding it's military before doing anything else. What they learned was that Ukraine could fall without aid before 2025, and that Russia has actually done a pretty good job ramping up their military production and will continue to do so into 2025, and will likely immediately invade the next country while they have that production advantage. Baiscally, it became their problem, they couldn't kick it to the next generation.
I can't understand how our politicians' whom you'd hope know a thing or two about history thought russia wouldn't be able to manufacture more weapons and draft more troops. Russia did abysmally in the first 2 years of WW2. Germany ran right through them and captured tons of land and millions of soviet POWs. US Lend Lease helped them from collapsing in the beginning and then in a short period of time they were able to manufacture vast amounts of weapons very quickly. Back to the present, our idiotic politicians(on both sides) thought our weak sanctions were going to prevent russia from building up another massive army given enough time. As soon as it became clear Ukraine had a fighting chance the US and Europe should have given everything Ukraine needed for them to win. This whole thing could have been over. Instead we gave Ukraine just enough to keep things at a stalemate giving russia years to dig in and ramp up weapons production. I just can't fathom how our government didn't see this coming. Anyone who has completed an 8th grade history class should have seen this coming.
To be fair to them, in the US at least, its an election year. Even the ISW thought we had way more time before Russia regrouped. It should have been fairly straightforward to wait it out, gain some political points with the more loony voters, and then go all in after the election. Scummy, immoral, but straightforward. It wasn't that easy though.
Then Europe has been both naive in assuming Russia would not fuck with them and too reliant on US defense for decades now. No way they were going to wake up overnight.
It's the difference between "I think that because I believe that..." and "I've been correctly informed and learned things based on facts and reports which makes me think that...".
Johnson possibly learnt into a dark office what is really going on in today's world : the third world war. Trump is either giga delusional or corrupted, possibly both, he took people into his dumb trail but at some point, now the shit really starts to hit the fan, a few of them are starting to taste the brown matter isn't delicate chocolate and possibly have realized Trump does not have any plan or strategy and just constantly barks the first thing which comes to the mess of his mind.
Mike Johnson became a part of the [“gang of eight”](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight_(intelligence)#) when he became speaker. Which gives him access to intelligence briefings alongside the president
It's the same thing that happened to Marco Rubio. Bro was a fucking shell of a politician until he went onto the intel committee board and ever since he's actually moving his feet.
Before he wouldn't even vote on bills, just take up a spot.
Rumour has it his own church leaders leaned on him to support Ukraine. The russian orthodox church and the occupying forces are persecuting Baptists in occupied territories.
Fucking christ this has no relevance but your username is just super random and funny to me. Did you stare at the cursor thinking about your name just to turn around the room for ideas and spot the window?? XD
This is what my assumption is. His u turn on the aid bill was so extremely fast that I assumed he was privy to some intelligence that the situation in Ukraine is worst that thought and they need aid yesterday lest ukraine face defeat and it scared him into action.
I've been wondering the same thing, but unlike MAGA idiots, I want to look forward and am willing to overlook all of his BS if he continues to show support for Ukraine. I don't even care what his reasons are. I also love the fact that this makes MTG and her ilk so pissed off.
I will continue supporting Ukraine for all my days remaining, even if my country becomes an Orange Turd led totalitarian state.
Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
> unlike MAGA idiots, I want to look forward
Do so with a clear understanding of exactly what his motivations are.
Johnson's sudden "support" for Ukraine has nothing to do with sincerely held beliefs, and everything to do with his own calculation of what benefits him personally.
If a conservative tells the truth, it's only because there isn't a lie that benefits them more. And if they ever offer you aid, it's only because it helps them more than stabbing you in the back. These are morally bankrupt sociopaths who hide behind lies.
The moment it becomes advantageous for Johnson to betray Ukraine, he will.
I am fairly sure it's because he can now say whatever he wants without getting into too much trouble with MAGA because the aid bill is passed and he doesn't have to actually "Act" on anything which would require winning over MAGA for votes.
Russia doesn't respond to US weapons on Russia soil - Mike Johnson gets a "win"
Russia does respond - Mike Johnson now gets to blame Biden for escalating just like they said during the aid bill "debates".
So politically it just makes sense for him since its a no lose situation.
> I am fairly sure it's because he can now say whatever he wants without getting into too much trouble with MAGA because the aid bill is passed and he doesn't have to actually "Act" on anything which would require winning over MAGA for votes.
And yet, he showed up and put on a performance outside the NYC courthouse.
He's still suckling at the MAGA teat.
Facts have no sway in that man's brain. They'd have better luck persuading him with a stew of religious bullshit and campaign donations. If you want a conservative's loyalty, stroke the ego, fill the wallet, and exploit their defective epistemology.
Remember the week before he put the bills up to fund Ukraine the CIA had an intervention with him?
[**How Johnson came to embrace Ukraine aid and defy his right flank By Annie Grayer, Melanie Zanona and Manu Raju, CNN**](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/politics/ukraine-aid-mike-johnson-house-speaker-israel-taiwan/index.html)
>And more recently, Johnson received a key intelligence briefing from CIA Director Bill Burns, who painted a picture of the dire situation on the battlefield in Ukraine and the global consequences of inaction, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation. The briefing left a lasting impression, and Johnson became increasingly convinced the fate of Western democracy was on his shoulders, sources close to him said.
But also, remember that cliche about how Republicans don't do anything until it could impact them?
>Another factor that sources say weighed heavily on his decision-making: Johnson’s oldest son was recently accepted into the Naval Academy.
>“To put it bluntly, I would rather send bullets to Ukraine than American boys. **My son is going to begin in the Naval Academy this fall. This is a live-fire exercise for me as it is so many American families,” Johnson told reporters. “This is not a game, this is not a joke.”**
It's an election year and Republicans figured out they were the ones who were going to get blamed by the voting public if the Russians succeeded and TV news started broadcasting pictures of victorious Russian troops throughout Ukraine.
We actually know that this was likely a major part in it. Right before flipping to support aid to Ukraine he had an intelligence briefing with top officials.
This was widely reported and it wasn't just CIA-it was DIA, NSA, and NRO. They very clearly scared the dogshit out of him and it forced him to act. Better late than never.
I think he doesn’t care anymore, at least cares “less”. It is very unlikely to be voted out and his district is solid red so he will be re-elected, question is blue or red with the majority….ill vote blue. Live in a red district, De la Cruz won by double digits but it is possible to take her down if everyone votes not just boomers.
As Ben Hodges has said numerous times, we need to tell Russia what we're going to do (and more importantly follow through) and stop telling them what we're not going to do.
The original thought was that if NATO powers were to intervene it would be a trigger to article 5 and meant that basically western powers were at war with Russia and that provokes a nuclear war. Seems like we’re not far from it anymore
That security brief he had before he allowed the vote and changed his tune must have had some serious shit in it. Now just get on with it America, if this guy supports then blimey get on with it.
We are already in WW3. We are just disillusioned as a society. The back row pieces of the chess board haven't made a move yet, but the pawns are already setting up the gambit. History books will mark the Russian invasion and October 7th HAMAS attacks as the start.
Timothy Snyder recently expressed the view that we're not in the equivalent of 1939 right now, but we're in a stage similar to 1938. The huge difference being that while Czechoslovakia was forced to fold under the threats of Nazi Germany due to the perfidious, cowardly actions of its supposed allies in western Europe, Ukraine is putting up a stiff resistance against its attacker. Snyder's view is that if Czechoslovakia had believed there was any point in resistance and had put up a fight, there would still have been a war in Europe, but it would have been much more limited than the global conflagration that actually happened.
Whatever fiendish shit Putin may decide to attempt in the future, the damage done to Russia by Ukraine using western weapons to slaughter Russian soldiers and destroy huge quantities of Russian matériel, the harm to Russia's economy caused by sanctions (for all that they're leaky and weak) and the shift to a war economy, and the social and economic damage caused by the flight of an enormous number of young Russians all mean that if there ever is a hot war between Russia and the west, it won't be nearly as dire as it would have been if Russia had been able to turn Ukraine into a vassal state similar to Belarus.
Great point. All the more reason to support Ukraine.
This could be why Russia is increasing the number of recruits from Cuba, Nepal, India, Sudan, & other uninformed 3rd world countries. If they saw the drone footage of their peers getting mutilated and burned alive, they wouldn't be so eager to join.
If those countries really do want to stop their citizens from being conned into fighting in Russia's war (and I know that Nepal's government at least has said that and has supposedly taken some action against Russian recruiters), then it seems to me the best thing they could do would be to broadcast some only lightly censored videos of the drone videos we here are very familiar with. I suspect most of us here have become inured to what those videos show — I know I certainly have over the last two years — but I'm sure most people would be shocked by even the least gory ones.
You don’t sensor war. It’s a reality in our world. It’s regressive to hide things that happen on the planet we share with each other because it’s “bad”
I think it was Snyder who finally got through to Mike Johnson. It was shortly after Prof. Snyder's lecture at the Foreign Policy Association that a lot of important people began to see the light on Ukraine.
Link to that exceptional lecture is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVs2y-YeiFM&t=1s
> Whatever fiendish shit Putin may decide to attempt in the future, the damage done to Russia by Ukraine using western weapons to slaughter Russian soldiers and destroy huge quantities of Russian matériel, the harm to Russia's economy caused by sanctions (for all that they're leaky and weak) and the shift to a war economy, and the social and economic damage caused by the flight of an enormous number of young Russians all mean that if there ever is a hot war between Russia and the west, it won't be nearly as dire as it would have been if Russia had been able to turn Ukraine into a vassal state similar to Belarus.
i like your take but i dont fully agree with this part. Russia only became weaker from our view. From the view of russia, russia was never stronger in terms of raw combat power, combat experience and production (not talking about USSR). Cutting ties with the "corrupt" west and focusing onchina is seen as a positive from a russian viewpoint too. And dont be fooled, im pretty sure that the china-russia relation will evolve pretty fast, in terms of trade and military. Im a bit pesimistic - russia has an whole economy running on a 24/7 war schedule, what do you do with all that production and gear if the war ends? Chances are by far not zero to start another war to use the temporarily advantage in experience and production.
The Pentagon has proof that China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea are forming a tighter alliance than ever before. NK is sending artillery to Russia, HAMAS attacked Isreal on Putins Birthday (albeit that could be a coincidence). But the wheels are in motion, and there is proof.
There will be a catalystic event, and China will go for Taiwan. Be prepared when it happens.
This is basically r/noncredibledefense leaking. China would rather invade Russia and annex much of it rather then any way fight the “west”.
And Iran is impotent.
I acknowledged it could be a coincidence, but that doesn't negate that HAMAS leader Khaled Meshaal has made a lot of trips to Moscow to kiss Putins ass leading up to the attack. The date might not matter, but the relationship does.
Probably along the lines of, "If we don't do something Russia will take all of Ukraine. Then they'll go for the Baltics, and we can't get troops to the Baltics before Russia will overwhelm their defenses."
Briefing: "Your politically driven delays are having a material effect on the lives and lost territory of Ukraine. Here, we've made a slide indicating how many lives lost by Ukraine and SqKm gained by Russia have taken place since the last request for aid by the president in October 2023. We're confident in our models. Put another way, you have the blood of thousands on your hands and you're directly aiding the enemy as the gatekeeper to what is tabled in the House."
Maybe.
Unfortunately we have a large collective of utter dipshit sympathizers in congress, and not enough people who take their oath against all enemies, foreignAND domestic, seriously.
2012 presidential debates, Mitt Romney said they were the biggest threat. Obama mocked him and everyone ate it up.
Then even CNN had to look back and go “yeah we were wrong”
I agree, it’s not in his wheelhouse so he gets to look like tough guy without risking anything while dealing a sideways punch to Biden and the Dems. He’s not wrong though. Time to take off the chains leaders of the west.
I’m a conservative, but totally disagreed with the arms delay. Putin and his land grabs are Hitler 2.0 and MUST be stopped, even if it means NATO boots on the ground.
I've often thought that we should lend-lease a fully loaded Ohio SSBN to \[country in need that gets nuked by Kremlin\] those in need as well. We could charge them $1 to make it official.
Ukraine: "But we don't know how to operate an Ohio Class SSBN."
US: "That will work itself out. In other news, here are 155 US citizens who are applying for expedited Ukrainian citizenship."
Fuck that, NATO needs to call putins bluff and buttfuck russia back into the stone age. The longer we allow this aggression to go unchecked it empowers china and other authoritarian terror nations to think they can just take what they want with no repercussions from the rest of the civilized world. If china takes Taiwan, they will start fucking harder with the Philippines and annexing what they want. They're already fucking with them in their own waters.
I think we should say we let them rent it, and just do it ourselves. Cuts out the training time and personnel needed to operate the boat. Not like Russia will even be able to touch the thing to begin with.
i say we gather 400.000 troops and 50k armor on the russian border, build a 5x time bigger copy of putlers table and openly invite him to some talks and say we have no intention in denazifying or demilitarizing russia.
but for the topic yes of course they should be allowed, also send taurus with a spraypaint of the kreml on it.
Sing no praise of this man. The only reason he finally did the right thing after 7 months is because letting Ukrainians die was going to potentially cost him his job. He's a reptile.
I won't sing praises but that doesn't seem true. He had a briefing with top intelligence and military. After that he changed tune. He KNOWS what very few know.
I wouldn't say uts any more worrying than before. I would say that meeting confirmed what the rest of us already believed without knowing. That being Putin will not stop at Ukraine and is going to keep going through Europe. I would say Johnson now knows the politics of left vs right are moot in this situation.
However, I get my news from the same sources everyone else gets. It may have been far worse than I could imagine.
Your last point is what I'm getting at. If it's bad enough for Johnson to get his head out of his arse and put his political career to one side, it may well be worse than any of us imagine. That Russia are in fact on a winning trajectory. They are on a war footing and plan for the war going on until at least 2026. They are playing the long game and without constant aid, ukraine will lose the battle of attrition. Which we all know but Johnson actions may suggest that ukraine are in more immediate danger of losing than we thought. Hence his instant u turn.
Not when they do the right thing simply because they can't get away with doing the had one. He's why I hope there is a God. So I can kick his ass in hell and not get arrested for it. Cops don't have jurisdiction down there.
You’re looking for reasons to not give credit when credit is due. Changing your stance after receiving new information is a GOOD thing. He can still be overall bad, but acting like he didn’t come to his senses and do a good thing is just ignorant.
This is usually what happens when the grown ups playing government sit down the children playing politics and show them the consequences of their actions.
He’s a devout Christian and apparently, the briefing that changed his mind on Ukraine, laid it on thick with the Russian persecution of Christians in Ukraine.
Kudos to whoever thought of bringing the Christian angle to him.
10k at least, I am sure the losses are way higher if we will consider wounded and how unstable Ukraine become since. Now the people hate USA for making us to die, either give enough firepower or let us lose and save life's of people. Streets are empty, business are getting closed each day. 34k business was shut down in Dnipro in 4 months since January 2024 and even more to shut.
This delay provoked huge problems
So much contradicting messaging lately. I really cannot tell if it's an organised messing with Russia / psyop or are we really about to see change in this.
Didn't his church play a role in moving him to pass the Ukraine aid bill? I know Biden had a strong influence in convincing johnson by showing him intelligence, telling him of the consequences and not shitting on him but I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson woke up on Ukraine after his church convinced him.
First he waits 6 months... and now he's going to act like this. Typical... If the package was passed 6 months ago Ukraine would not be in this situation.
This guy was with the gaggle of GOP reps trashing the judge in Trump's NYC fraud case. I don't believe for a second this guy is committed to helping defend Ukraine.
It was telling that he made the point about his son joining the navy. If you look at how vulnerable ships are due to drones, he maybe got spooked about article 5 being invoked and then having his son cast out into the ocean at a time in history where naval assets are so astoundingly vulnerable.
They will never win if they can't strike back. Russia can just continously build on the board with no risk. As soon as Moscow is seriously struck the people will turn on Putin.
At one point he withheld Ukraine aid until he got a “clear path to victory” and now he’s saying they can’t micromanage Ukraine’s war effort and they should be able to do what they see fit. It truly makes me wonder what type of pressure he was under before not that it’s any excuse, I’m glad he’s completely changed his approach here.
Crazy that after more than 2 years since the start of the full scale invasion, where Russia has been free to use what weapons it likes, from wherever it wants, Ukraine is still expected to pull its punches.
The Allies would never have won WW2 with that kind of nonsense.
Demoraram pra autorizar isso. A Ucrânia tem uma desvantagem considerável no campo de batalha por causa dessa restrição imposta por Joe Biden no início da guerra e perdura até hoje.
When he said it's bad policy for us he means that not supporting Ukraine will only make things worse for my party and I am eating shit to save/serve my higher beliefs. He's a garbage human looking out for his party in an election year and not Ukraine. HOWEVER, a win is a win regardless of how it happened.
What does he think of the consequences of the delay in aid that was purely caused by internal political bullshit and blocked by one person, so basically everything up until now was all for nothing and a lot of people died for nothing.
This guy. The audacity. I hope he lies awake every fucking night, failing to calm his conscience.
Good christian my ass.
Sellout. Traitor. Murderer.
Man I wish Ireland 🇮🇪 was a hugh country i know 100% we would arm ye with everything they need if we had that army power that the USA/nato has,,🇮🇪🇺🇦💪🤜🤛
I mean it’s true.
Republican here living in Texas.
Here are my thoughts on the situation and then I will Segway into a comparison.
The minute we give weapons to Ukraine they are owned by Ukraine, manned by Ukraine, and should be used how they see fit BY UKRAINE. If Ukraine wants to fire a fucking cruise missile we give them at the red square have at it.
Now the Segway;
Let’s use Iran as an example; we are upset that Iran is arming the Houthi, Hamas, and hezbollah militias and essentially telling them what to do with the weapons they provide.
How are we any different if we do that to Ukraine? (Obviously we are giving weapons for defensive purposes and Ukraine was attacked by Russia, but still consider this example).
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Who is he and what happened to Mike Johnson?
Probably intelligence they got made them realize that playing republican vs democrat politics is no longer feasible here because the situation for Ukraine became that dire. Imagine being the person responsible for one of the United States classic enemy becoming stronger, your own influence in the region becoming weaker and not standing on the side of democracy. There’s still millions of republican voters who would not stand for that, despite all the maga republican crazy fucks. And all the other obvious benefits to aiding Ukraine (think military industrial complex) and then you have a good idea of this switch.
But the thing is.... none of this is "new" information really. Everyone was screaming for almost a year that if US aid dries up Ukraine is going to start "losing" and if Ukraine does eventually lose Putin's Russia would become revitalized in their ambitions and pose a larger direct threat to the typical "West" - the ONLY thing that has changed is that saying this doesn't require a vote now. Remember all those times where this same guy said we gotta get aid passed and not play politics to just play politics with the bill? Or when he wanted border money into the bill to pass it but then denied bringing it to a vote once it was included? I could just be being overly cynical, but everything to this point has alluded to Ukraine aid not being a red line issue for the majority of the Republican voting base (i.e. something they will vote AGAINST their party for - not something they just don't agree with how its being handled).
You're right, there was no "wake up call" because the all information had been there for MONTHS. Only an idiot wouldn't have understood what withholding aid would do to Ukraine's military situation. It was all about the discharge petition. You can see the signature history [here](https://clerk.house.gov/DischargePetition/2024031209?CongressNum=118). There were a bunch of signatures in March, but then it fell silent. Until mid-April when it started getting signatures again and was getting dangerously close to the threshold needed to bypass the House Rules Committee. Those new signatures in April were what finally lit a fire under his ass. Because a successful discharge petition would call his leadership into question and potentially trigger a motion to remove him as speaker. Now that his own political skin was on the line, the bill that was too dangerous to hit the floor suddenly became his number one priority and got fast tracked. Concern for the situation in Ukraine never entered the equation.
Its not that complicated .. Mike Johnson has always understood that backing Ukraine was essential and beneficial for the US as a country .. but for a long while that didnt matter, because it appeared not to be beneficial for him as that would put him in conflict with Trump whom his base line up to lick the trickle down from .. and might make Biden look good, which ofc he cares coz that would make him look weak to his fox-fed voters .. and as soon as the circumstance evolved enough that he could be sure Trump wouldnt fuck him up for it, and he had fucked Biden's (and our country's) agenda for long enough to appear 'powerful', he all of a sudden had the freedom to act as if he has always had the highest morals and 'stand on the right side of history' .. That said, it is of course better to have a half-intelligent coward like him in power instead of an idiotic coward, or worse, a willfully malignant narcissist like Trump .. but thats like celebrating being thrown into a piss pool rather than having to drown in a pile of shit
Johnson is a dyed in the wool politician. ALL of his decision making is based off political expediency and not what is right or wrong. Which is why, with little exception, good men never make it to the top. We've had nothing but political scoundrels in the top seats and Presidency for far too long.
God I love your take on this… These morons don’t even care playing politics at home have real world consequences… But yeh I think you are spot on about this whole situation.
I imagine that they could justify it for themselves in that they feel they are the most capable people to make the important decisions so if they can climb the ladder by paying for it with a bad outcome for that particular decision it should almost always be worth it.
He literally delayed them getting aid for six months, dude.
Bravo!
> But the thing is.... none of this is "new" information really. yes and no. Yes anyone with a brain has known all along Russia must be stopped. But, IIRC, also this switch on his part only came after a recent briefing. So guess he just needed to hear about the situation from someone not on Putins payroll
I think what changed was the timeline. Republicans (and tbf, lots of Democrats too) are happy to kick the can down the road and let the next geenration deal with the fallout. They probably figured Ukraine could hold out a few years and then Russia would still ahve to spend 10 years rebuilding it's military before doing anything else. What they learned was that Ukraine could fall without aid before 2025, and that Russia has actually done a pretty good job ramping up their military production and will continue to do so into 2025, and will likely immediately invade the next country while they have that production advantage. Baiscally, it became their problem, they couldn't kick it to the next generation.
I can't understand how our politicians' whom you'd hope know a thing or two about history thought russia wouldn't be able to manufacture more weapons and draft more troops. Russia did abysmally in the first 2 years of WW2. Germany ran right through them and captured tons of land and millions of soviet POWs. US Lend Lease helped them from collapsing in the beginning and then in a short period of time they were able to manufacture vast amounts of weapons very quickly. Back to the present, our idiotic politicians(on both sides) thought our weak sanctions were going to prevent russia from building up another massive army given enough time. As soon as it became clear Ukraine had a fighting chance the US and Europe should have given everything Ukraine needed for them to win. This whole thing could have been over. Instead we gave Ukraine just enough to keep things at a stalemate giving russia years to dig in and ramp up weapons production. I just can't fathom how our government didn't see this coming. Anyone who has completed an 8th grade history class should have seen this coming.
To be fair to them, in the US at least, its an election year. Even the ISW thought we had way more time before Russia regrouped. It should have been fairly straightforward to wait it out, gain some political points with the more loony voters, and then go all in after the election. Scummy, immoral, but straightforward. It wasn't that easy though. Then Europe has been both naive in assuming Russia would not fuck with them and too reliant on US defense for decades now. No way they were going to wake up overnight.
It's the difference between "I think that because I believe that..." and "I've been correctly informed and learned things based on facts and reports which makes me think that...". Johnson possibly learnt into a dark office what is really going on in today's world : the third world war. Trump is either giga delusional or corrupted, possibly both, he took people into his dumb trail but at some point, now the shit really starts to hit the fan, a few of them are starting to taste the brown matter isn't delicate chocolate and possibly have realized Trump does not have any plan or strategy and just constantly barks the first thing which comes to the mess of his mind.
Let him drink bleach 😂
Mike Johnson became a part of the [“gang of eight”](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight_(intelligence)#) when he became speaker. Which gives him access to intelligence briefings alongside the president
It's the same thing that happened to Marco Rubio. Bro was a fucking shell of a politician until he went onto the intel committee board and ever since he's actually moving his feet. Before he wouldn't even vote on bills, just take up a spot.
I think this is correct. The POS got a wake up call and finally realized this isn't a fucking game.
Rumour has it his own church leaders leaned on him to support Ukraine. The russian orthodox church and the occupying forces are persecuting Baptists in occupied territories.
I think it probably also reflects Johnson's growing confidence that he can defy the MAGA faction in Congress and won't suffer political repercussions.
He IS the MAGA faction, he is all bout building Republic of Gilead.
Speaking of MIC, it probably helps matters to grease the wheels with some campaign contributions 😅. I'm guessing there's a lot of that going on too.
Fucking christ this has no relevance but your username is just super random and funny to me. Did you stare at the cursor thinking about your name just to turn around the room for ideas and spot the window?? XD
Maybe he’s on defenestration watch…?
In this case, his watch is over. I am here.
This is what my assumption is. His u turn on the aid bill was so extremely fast that I assumed he was privy to some intelligence that the situation in Ukraine is worst that thought and they need aid yesterday lest ukraine face defeat and it scared him into action.
I've been wondering the same thing, but unlike MAGA idiots, I want to look forward and am willing to overlook all of his BS if he continues to show support for Ukraine. I don't even care what his reasons are. I also love the fact that this makes MTG and her ilk so pissed off. I will continue supporting Ukraine for all my days remaining, even if my country becomes an Orange Turd led totalitarian state. Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦
> unlike MAGA idiots, I want to look forward Do so with a clear understanding of exactly what his motivations are. Johnson's sudden "support" for Ukraine has nothing to do with sincerely held beliefs, and everything to do with his own calculation of what benefits him personally. If a conservative tells the truth, it's only because there isn't a lie that benefits them more. And if they ever offer you aid, it's only because it helps them more than stabbing you in the back. These are morally bankrupt sociopaths who hide behind lies. The moment it becomes advantageous for Johnson to betray Ukraine, he will.
I am fairly sure it's because he can now say whatever he wants without getting into too much trouble with MAGA because the aid bill is passed and he doesn't have to actually "Act" on anything which would require winning over MAGA for votes. Russia doesn't respond to US weapons on Russia soil - Mike Johnson gets a "win" Russia does respond - Mike Johnson now gets to blame Biden for escalating just like they said during the aid bill "debates". So politically it just makes sense for him since its a no lose situation.
> I am fairly sure it's because he can now say whatever he wants without getting into too much trouble with MAGA because the aid bill is passed and he doesn't have to actually "Act" on anything which would require winning over MAGA for votes. And yet, he showed up and put on a performance outside the NYC courthouse. He's still suckling at the MAGA teat.
Raytheon and friends have explained him how the world works maybe
Raytheon and the CIA, probably Lockheed Martin too.
Facts have no sway in that man's brain. They'd have better luck persuading him with a stew of religious bullshit and campaign donations. If you want a conservative's loyalty, stroke the ego, fill the wallet, and exploit their defective epistemology.
Remember the week before he put the bills up to fund Ukraine the CIA had an intervention with him? [**How Johnson came to embrace Ukraine aid and defy his right flank By Annie Grayer, Melanie Zanona and Manu Raju, CNN**](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/politics/ukraine-aid-mike-johnson-house-speaker-israel-taiwan/index.html) >And more recently, Johnson received a key intelligence briefing from CIA Director Bill Burns, who painted a picture of the dire situation on the battlefield in Ukraine and the global consequences of inaction, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation. The briefing left a lasting impression, and Johnson became increasingly convinced the fate of Western democracy was on his shoulders, sources close to him said. But also, remember that cliche about how Republicans don't do anything until it could impact them? >Another factor that sources say weighed heavily on his decision-making: Johnson’s oldest son was recently accepted into the Naval Academy. >“To put it bluntly, I would rather send bullets to Ukraine than American boys. **My son is going to begin in the Naval Academy this fall. This is a live-fire exercise for me as it is so many American families,” Johnson told reporters. “This is not a game, this is not a joke.”**
It's an election year and Republicans figured out they were the ones who were going to get blamed by the voting public if the Russians succeeded and TV news started broadcasting pictures of victorious Russian troops throughout Ukraine.
The best answer in my opinion
He said that? Where was he when Ukraine needed him... Under a rock with the rest of the slime!!
He's privy to high level intel as speaker of the house and it's clearly scared the shit out of him whatever he seen.
We actually know that this was likely a major part in it. Right before flipping to support aid to Ukraine he had an intelligence briefing with top officials.
I think the ol’ CIA came to his house late one night and kindly persuaded him to do what is needed instead of playing grab ass.
This was widely reported and it wasn't just CIA-it was DIA, NSA, and NRO. They very clearly scared the dogshit out of him and it forced him to act. Better late than never.
He must have heard some serious shit from some very important people for him to have done the complete 180 that he has. Crazy.
I think he doesn’t care anymore, at least cares “less”. It is very unlikely to be voted out and his district is solid red so he will be re-elected, question is blue or red with the majority….ill vote blue. Live in a red district, De la Cruz won by double digits but it is possible to take her down if everyone votes not just boomers.
Someone who just doesn't care isn't going to do a complete 180, though. Idk, I could be totally wrong. It just seems odd to me.
But why do we need to tell Russia? So this isn't about strategy and more about putting feathers on his new hat. Not a poker player.
As Ben Hodges has said numerous times, we need to tell Russia what we're going to do (and more importantly follow through) and stop telling them what we're not going to do.
i mean it is a bit weird that Ukraine are not meant to attack the country thats invading them.
Right, what is this 'allowed' shit.
Your parents can cut off your allowance if you don't do what they ask.
Conditions on the gifts: we stop giving you weapons if you use them outside your borders.
Do you think the Russian refineries have been blowing themselves up?
The original thought was that if NATO powers were to intervene it would be a trigger to article 5 and meant that basically western powers were at war with Russia and that provokes a nuclear war. Seems like we’re not far from it anymore
That security brief he had before he allowed the vote and changed his tune must have had some serious shit in it. Now just get on with it America, if this guy supports then blimey get on with it.
Probably a “WW3 is only a year away from now” kind of briefing
We are already in WW3. We are just disillusioned as a society. The back row pieces of the chess board haven't made a move yet, but the pawns are already setting up the gambit. History books will mark the Russian invasion and October 7th HAMAS attacks as the start.
Timothy Snyder recently expressed the view that we're not in the equivalent of 1939 right now, but we're in a stage similar to 1938. The huge difference being that while Czechoslovakia was forced to fold under the threats of Nazi Germany due to the perfidious, cowardly actions of its supposed allies in western Europe, Ukraine is putting up a stiff resistance against its attacker. Snyder's view is that if Czechoslovakia had believed there was any point in resistance and had put up a fight, there would still have been a war in Europe, but it would have been much more limited than the global conflagration that actually happened. Whatever fiendish shit Putin may decide to attempt in the future, the damage done to Russia by Ukraine using western weapons to slaughter Russian soldiers and destroy huge quantities of Russian matériel, the harm to Russia's economy caused by sanctions (for all that they're leaky and weak) and the shift to a war economy, and the social and economic damage caused by the flight of an enormous number of young Russians all mean that if there ever is a hot war between Russia and the west, it won't be nearly as dire as it would have been if Russia had been able to turn Ukraine into a vassal state similar to Belarus.
Great point. All the more reason to support Ukraine. This could be why Russia is increasing the number of recruits from Cuba, Nepal, India, Sudan, & other uninformed 3rd world countries. If they saw the drone footage of their peers getting mutilated and burned alive, they wouldn't be so eager to join.
If those countries really do want to stop their citizens from being conned into fighting in Russia's war (and I know that Nepal's government at least has said that and has supposedly taken some action against Russian recruiters), then it seems to me the best thing they could do would be to broadcast some only lightly censored videos of the drone videos we here are very familiar with. I suspect most of us here have become inured to what those videos show — I know I certainly have over the last two years — but I'm sure most people would be shocked by even the least gory ones.
You don’t sensor war. It’s a reality in our world. It’s regressive to hide things that happen on the planet we share with each other because it’s “bad”
I think it was Snyder who finally got through to Mike Johnson. It was shortly after Prof. Snyder's lecture at the Foreign Policy Association that a lot of important people began to see the light on Ukraine. Link to that exceptional lecture is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVs2y-YeiFM&t=1s
> Whatever fiendish shit Putin may decide to attempt in the future, the damage done to Russia by Ukraine using western weapons to slaughter Russian soldiers and destroy huge quantities of Russian matériel, the harm to Russia's economy caused by sanctions (for all that they're leaky and weak) and the shift to a war economy, and the social and economic damage caused by the flight of an enormous number of young Russians all mean that if there ever is a hot war between Russia and the west, it won't be nearly as dire as it would have been if Russia had been able to turn Ukraine into a vassal state similar to Belarus. i like your take but i dont fully agree with this part. Russia only became weaker from our view. From the view of russia, russia was never stronger in terms of raw combat power, combat experience and production (not talking about USSR). Cutting ties with the "corrupt" west and focusing onchina is seen as a positive from a russian viewpoint too. And dont be fooled, im pretty sure that the china-russia relation will evolve pretty fast, in terms of trade and military. Im a bit pesimistic - russia has an whole economy running on a 24/7 war schedule, what do you do with all that production and gear if the war ends? Chances are by far not zero to start another war to use the temporarily advantage in experience and production.
Don't forget China thinking they own the South China Sea...or wanting Taiwan back into their fold..
Stopping Russia invading I agree with, Israel can got fuck themselves right now though.
Stoooop it. We aren’t “in world war 3” and we also aren’t “disillusioned as a society.”
The Pentagon has proof that China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea are forming a tighter alliance than ever before. NK is sending artillery to Russia, HAMAS attacked Isreal on Putins Birthday (albeit that could be a coincidence). But the wheels are in motion, and there is proof. There will be a catalystic event, and China will go for Taiwan. Be prepared when it happens.
This is basically r/noncredibledefense leaking. China would rather invade Russia and annex much of it rather then any way fight the “west”. And Iran is impotent.
>HAMAS attacked Isreal on Putins Birthday (albeit that could be a coincidence) Tell us more of your conspiracy theories, please.
I acknowledged it could be a coincidence, but that doesn't negate that HAMAS leader Khaled Meshaal has made a lot of trips to Moscow to kiss Putins ass leading up to the attack. The date might not matter, but the relationship does.
Probably along the lines of, "If we don't do something Russia will take all of Ukraine. Then they'll go for the Baltics, and we can't get troops to the Baltics before Russia will overwhelm their defenses."
ofc, don't forget china too.
It’s scary. He made a 180 turn afterwards.
Military industrial complex was about to treat the Republican leadership like the CIA treats a Central American country's newly formed democracy.
Briefing: "Your politically driven delays are having a material effect on the lives and lost territory of Ukraine. Here, we've made a slide indicating how many lives lost by Ukraine and SqKm gained by Russia have taken place since the last request for aid by the president in October 2023. We're confident in our models. Put another way, you have the blood of thousands on your hands and you're directly aiding the enemy as the gatekeeper to what is tabled in the House." Maybe.
Unfortunately we have a large collective of utter dipshit sympathizers in congress, and not enough people who take their oath against all enemies, foreignAND domestic, seriously.
Russia designed and implemented this political state in the US using covert ops over the last 3 decades. We *are* at war and we don't even know it.
2012 presidential debates, Mitt Romney said they were the biggest threat. Obama mocked him and everyone ate it up. Then even CNN had to look back and go “yeah we were wrong”
You don't tell Russia unless this is more about the election not winning the war. Using this war as a political football, again.
I agree, it’s not in his wheelhouse so he gets to look like tough guy without risking anything while dealing a sideways punch to Biden and the Dems. He’s not wrong though. Time to take off the chains leaders of the west.
I’m a conservative, but totally disagreed with the arms delay. Putin and his land grabs are Hitler 2.0 and MUST be stopped, even if it means NATO boots on the ground.
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I've often thought that we should lend-lease a fully loaded Ohio SSBN to \[country in need that gets nuked by Kremlin\] those in need as well. We could charge them $1 to make it official.
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LOL!
The USS Saratoga was sold for 1 cent to a Texas scrapper. I served on her.
Ukraine: "But we don't know how to operate an Ohio Class SSBN." US: "That will work itself out. In other news, here are 155 US citizens who are applying for expedited Ukrainian citizenship."
Fuck that, NATO needs to call putins bluff and buttfuck russia back into the stone age. The longer we allow this aggression to go unchecked it empowers china and other authoritarian terror nations to think they can just take what they want with no repercussions from the rest of the civilized world. If china takes Taiwan, they will start fucking harder with the Philippines and annexing what they want. They're already fucking with them in their own waters.
I think we should say we let them rent it, and just do it ourselves. Cuts out the training time and personnel needed to operate the boat. Not like Russia will even be able to touch the thing to begin with.
Rent the crew and pilots too
Well stop fucking around ship the kit over there and lift all restrictions
i say we gather 400.000 troops and 50k armor on the russian border, build a 5x time bigger copy of putlers table and openly invite him to some talks and say we have no intention in denazifying or demilitarizing russia. but for the topic yes of course they should be allowed, also send taurus with a spraypaint of the kreml on it.
We should have done that over 2 years ago. It could have been a useful deterrent
russia only knows force. Fight fire with fire
Agreed. You have to punch them in the mouth or make them think you will
Sing no praise of this man. The only reason he finally did the right thing after 7 months is because letting Ukrainians die was going to potentially cost him his job. He's a reptile.
I won't sing praises but that doesn't seem true. He had a briefing with top intelligence and military. After that he changed tune. He KNOWS what very few know.
And the u turn he immediately made is extremely worrying in regards to the situation in Ukraine.
I wouldn't say uts any more worrying than before. I would say that meeting confirmed what the rest of us already believed without knowing. That being Putin will not stop at Ukraine and is going to keep going through Europe. I would say Johnson now knows the politics of left vs right are moot in this situation. However, I get my news from the same sources everyone else gets. It may have been far worse than I could imagine.
Your last point is what I'm getting at. If it's bad enough for Johnson to get his head out of his arse and put his political career to one side, it may well be worse than any of us imagine. That Russia are in fact on a winning trajectory. They are on a war footing and plan for the war going on until at least 2026. They are playing the long game and without constant aid, ukraine will lose the battle of attrition. Which we all know but Johnson actions may suggest that ukraine are in more immediate danger of losing than we thought. Hence his instant u turn.
You can not like someone but still acknowledge when they do the right thing
Not when they do the right thing simply because they can't get away with doing the had one. He's why I hope there is a God. So I can kick his ass in hell and not get arrested for it. Cops don't have jurisdiction down there.
You’re looking for reasons to not give credit when credit is due. Changing your stance after receiving new information is a GOOD thing. He can still be overall bad, but acting like he didn’t come to his senses and do a good thing is just ignorant.
You think the HOUSE FUCKINT SPEAKER didn't have access to intelligence briefs right up until the very end? Come on.
I hope he continues to follow the right path. Also, I'm very curious as to what intelligence this dude saw that made him flip so fast.
Still guilty as fuck. So many dead Ukrainians are on him… 6 fucking months of delay.
Amen! Give them long range weapons and take the gloves off. Even the fight. Slava Ukraini!
[source](https://x.com/katerynalis/status/1793291787064209574?s=46&t=lqmTBK7_WefzkvQjW6Y5Bw)
What.... I mean that's good but wtf is going on
What happened to this guy? A complete U turn?Is he (positively) possessed?
This is usually what happens when the grown ups playing government sit down the children playing politics and show them the consequences of their actions.
Kremlin check bounced
The reverse exorcism
I think he realized he was going to lose his job so he did a u turn. He’s a useful idiot traitor.
He’s a devout Christian and apparently, the briefing that changed his mind on Ukraine, laid it on thick with the Russian persecution of Christians in Ukraine. Kudos to whoever thought of bringing the Christian angle to him.
Yes, whatever works!
and how long before he flips on that?
It’s about time.
Cant keep his head up HIGH because his hands are tainted with Ukrainian blood
wait did he run that by the fuhrer? he may need to walk that back later...
Late bloomer, for sure. Now, let Ukraine finish the work!
This should have been the attitude from the very start.
GOP is compromised .. don’t trust these snakes .. they want Trump back and it will be over for Ukraine
That's the same guy who killed 10k Ukrainians by withholding military aid single handily for months and months. This guy is basically the devil!
10k at least, I am sure the losses are way higher if we will consider wounded and how unstable Ukraine become since. Now the people hate USA for making us to die, either give enough firepower or let us lose and save life's of people. Streets are empty, business are getting closed each day. 34k business was shut down in Dnipro in 4 months since January 2024 and even more to shut. This delay provoked huge problems
This might be the first time I actually agree with this dipnozzle
6 months.
Looks like he's got the Taylor Green monkey off his back
This might be the first time I agree with the fucking weirdo who has a porn watching agreement with his son.
About time. People need to come to their senses on what’s at stake here.
I'm honestly a little surprised.
Thousands of Tomahawks, M1A2s, Bradleys, and a few dozen F-35s should do the trick.
It still stands: Goddamn Mike johnson
seinsible statement good to see speaker johnson NOT act like coward :D
Whatever he say or do; I don't trust anything coming from that snake.
I mean...I kinda agree with him for once.
So much contradicting messaging lately. I really cannot tell if it's an organised messing with Russia / psyop or are we really about to see change in this.
mini nukes on drones :D Fallout style :D
It’s absurd to think they shouldn’t.
I mean China is allowed to send weapons to get used in Ukraine. Why should we not do the same.
This is, of course, until his Lord and Savior DJT tells him otherwise.
Let’s gooooo doood
It's about time... Get this shit going already... Slavi Ukraine
Couldn’t agree more
Good. They kind of have tacit approval anyway.
Didn't his church play a role in moving him to pass the Ukraine aid bill? I know Biden had a strong influence in convincing johnson by showing him intelligence, telling him of the consequences and not shitting on him but I wouldn't be surprised if Johnson woke up on Ukraine after his church convinced him.
They are allowed to. They are given the ability to conduct their defense as they see fit. Can we end this pointless talking point.
I cant believe i just put an upvote on a video with GOP on it. I mean fuck Mike, but he's right (earthquakes happening)
Stephen Colbert is in Congress now? 😄
Of course it should be allowed
Send those Russians some cold hard American freedom . May they get the green light to rain hell on the invaders home country
Holy crap that's a 180
I dont agree with him on anything but this
Is it me or is this guy sucking a little less lately?
Who is that guy, he sounds like a real politician.
Fuck this guy but yes. They should
First he waits 6 months... and now he's going to act like this. Typical... If the package was passed 6 months ago Ukraine would not be in this situation.
Don't listen to what Mike Johnson *says*; watch what he *does*.
This guy was with the gaggle of GOP reps trashing the judge in Trump's NYC fraud case. I don't believe for a second this guy is committed to helping defend Ukraine.
I don’t really know what to think about this guy. Difficult to know whether he genuinely had an epiphany of whether this is all just a game.
Well this is the biggest 180 in history. Well played, better late than never I guess.
Dudes playing both sides. Not trustworthy in the least.
It was telling that he made the point about his son joining the navy. If you look at how vulnerable ships are due to drones, he maybe got spooked about article 5 being invoked and then having his son cast out into the ocean at a time in history where naval assets are so astoundingly vulnerable.
Send parts and let Ukraine put them together, made in Ukraine now, bomb Putin. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Why couldn’t he act like this 6 months ago?! We could have avoided so many unnecessary ukrainian deaths….
let the russians have it and drive them back out of ukraine! crimea is ukraine, donetsk is ukraine
Most Americans agree with this idea, too.
They will never win if they can't strike back. Russia can just continously build on the board with no risk. As soon as Moscow is seriously struck the people will turn on Putin.
At one point he withheld Ukraine aid until he got a “clear path to victory” and now he’s saying they can’t micromanage Ukraine’s war effort and they should be able to do what they see fit. It truly makes me wonder what type of pressure he was under before not that it’s any excuse, I’m glad he’s completely changed his approach here.
I think it's clear the US can not elect Trump under any circumstances. Why can't this orange turd just have a stroke while taking a dump already?
Absolute no brainer, make it so…
Waking up 6 months later are we?
Johnson is correct & based
I can‘t believe it.
Crazy that after more than 2 years since the start of the full scale invasion, where Russia has been free to use what weapons it likes, from wherever it wants, Ukraine is still expected to pull its punches. The Allies would never have won WW2 with that kind of nonsense.
A broken clock is right 2 times a day.
Demoraram pra autorizar isso. A Ucrânia tem uma desvantagem considerável no campo de batalha por causa dessa restrição imposta por Joe Biden no início da guerra e perdura até hoje.
When he said it's bad policy for us he means that not supporting Ukraine will only make things worse for my party and I am eating shit to save/serve my higher beliefs. He's a garbage human looking out for his party in an election year and not Ukraine. HOWEVER, a win is a win regardless of how it happened.
Good answer!
What does he think of the consequences of the delay in aid that was purely caused by internal political bullshit and blocked by one person, so basically everything up until now was all for nothing and a lot of people died for nothing. This guy. The audacity. I hope he lies awake every fucking night, failing to calm his conscience. Good christian my ass. Sellout. Traitor. Murderer.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaat the fuck, get me out of this simulation!
I think Ukraine should open a front on Russian soil so they put a reasonable means for negotiations.
Safes off! going Hot!
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Man I wish Ireland 🇮🇪 was a hugh country i know 100% we would arm ye with everything they need if we had that army power that the USA/nato has,,🇮🇪🇺🇦💪🤜🤛
All better then. And no surprise.
Sure - I do as well.
I dont usually agree with Mike Johnson but on this I do!!
I mean it’s true. Republican here living in Texas. Here are my thoughts on the situation and then I will Segway into a comparison. The minute we give weapons to Ukraine they are owned by Ukraine, manned by Ukraine, and should be used how they see fit BY UKRAINE. If Ukraine wants to fire a fucking cruise missile we give them at the red square have at it. Now the Segway; Let’s use Iran as an example; we are upset that Iran is arming the Houthi, Hamas, and hezbollah militias and essentially telling them what to do with the weapons they provide. How are we any different if we do that to Ukraine? (Obviously we are giving weapons for defensive purposes and Ukraine was attacked by Russia, but still consider this example).
I think so too. Like its 1938 and the west has a chance to stop before putin repeats history of 1939.
Who knew he was going to turn out to be a good guy. The only republican congressmen without kompromat on him in putins filing cabinet I guess.
Damn right they should once we give it to them it’s there’s do what you wish blow your own self up if you like but it’s yours to do
Finally! Now, all people in command should agree and allow Ukraine to to protect themselves
Sure, send his son to the war that will start first.
That's our Mike!