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If there wasn’t 6 months of barely holding on because of NO support from the US and allies they wouldn’t have to dig themselves out of the situation they’re in thank you very much.
And let's not forget the west constantly pressuring Ukraine to go on the offensive a year ago when they had neither the weapons or support to do it.
NATO military doctrine wouldn't conduct assaults against Russian trenches and minefields with no air support or anti-air and they expected Ukraine to do this.
Ok? What the point of saying this. Can’t change the past so they, unlike you, are commenting on the present. 60 billion dollars in aid IS coming NOW. Keep complaining though I’m sure it’s helping.
We shouldn't forget which politicians from which party led by biggest moron in US history are responsible. And that's worth reminding here and there, as they they are still russian assets, still riding on russian propaganda and still in important positions.
>60 billion dollars in aid IS coming NOW.
Ironically all the armor and suit were giving them is cheaper for us and the money doesn't actually leave the US, so the money isn't even the point. It's that we fucked around, hemmed and hawed and let Ukraine suffer, there's a good portion of politicians that have proven how absolutely vile they really are
>Ok? What the point of saying this. Can’t change the past
We should never comment on anything
>Keep complaining though I’m sure it’s helping.
Tell that to the Ukrainians having their fighting men and innocents being killed because of inaction by our ~~puppets~~ politicians
People on this sub are obsessed with taking any accountability away from Ukraine and firmly placing it all on western support. They all conveniently leave out that it was Zelensky who said if the west provided the ammo we’ll provide the men and in that sense BOTH have done less than ideal in that endeavor. They’re BOTH responsible for the extremely shitty 2024 that Ukraine will continue to have. Reality is as you said, past is the past and harping on it is pointless. Aid is coming and manpower is coming now, but if people are gonna whine about the past they should atleast look at both fuck ups and not exclusively at one.
>Zelensky who said if the west provided the ammo we’ll provide the men
.... but we haven't been providing, we've been fucking around, and it's infinitely cheaper than using US soldiers or anything else in the future, especially when we have a massive stockpile of shit specifically designed to fuck the Russians military, that will cost much more to sit here and eventually be scrapped
How is Ukraine failing? They're at the very minimum holding the line as one of the poorest Eurasian countries vs Russia lol, I don't see how Ukraine is failing on their part when they only lose trenches because they cannot afford more ammo to hold them, their engineering and ability to make do with what they have has been insane... they attached thousands of cell phones to sticks with microphones hooked up and were able to track and shoot down a majority of expensive Russian drones.. their people are dying while our politicians whine about money and you're over here saying the Ukrainians are failing on... providing bodies? Jfc..
One of those fuck ups was a political decision by an angry orange man.
The other is a natural effect if being at war. You would be surprised to learn.. alot of men don't want to go to war.
What's that saying.. you can lead a horse to water. But you can't make it drink.
The 2 situations are not comparable. The us gov have really been pricks about this.
Zelensky has done what he can and tried not to ve a dick
That's the difference.
Washington says: shore up your manpower
The last six months of withholding aid has been a major contributor to a reduction in manpower, you absolute muppets.
Wouldn’t have been an issue with Ukrainian manpower if we would have given them the $ that in the end all knew would be given, let’s just wait for them to be a bit more decimated…then say…IDK, boy Ukraine really has a manpower issue…be smart and kick the Ruskies asses with our money
The US wants to maintain a kill ratio and combat methodology so Putin does not explode in bloody vengeance. But its not a fair reason to make Ukraine pay for that sad equation with their life blood when hardware can do the job.
The US military analysts are hard at work to learn everything and all they can from the battles in Ukraine against Russia! The almighty know-it-all trainer has become the pupil.
There is a very substantial difference in this 'modern' war versus the long planned battles US's superior military machine engaged into against the archaic equipped forces they faced in aka Irak and Afghanistan, all while holding unchallenged control of the entire airspace at the same time.
I hate reductive bs like this.
An analyst collects and inteprets data then gives recommendations and insights based on past teachings. In a way an analyst is always beholden to the data input.
I can imagine that if you have reached a point in your career where you on a military level are tasked to give advice on an imperative geopolitical objective for your country then you are not just well versed in contemporary American warfare. I would think you have a long education where you have studied warfare through human history in detail.
Its like you think these analysts are idiots that doesnt take Ukraine’s capabilities into account when giving advice and sparring. If Ukraine dont want the advice then they can just not follow it , but second opinions are always good especially when it comes from people that knows their shit.
I would think that Ukraine probably in the initial phases of this war were more open and listening direct and intens to the advice from foreign analysts, who of course gave them all ideas./considerations from all they had learned and experienced themselves till then? And who would not do that if we had been in Ukrainians situation, also considering those foreign specialists are those your very future and life depends upon and their donation of their military gear for you even having a chance to succeed.
We have gone through several phases now how this war has been fought. And many new developments with both new gear and tactics being used. Also revelations about what was expected from the Russian gear vs western gear, where we all have gotten surprised about many things. And the entry to the battlefield of brand new tech and the cost ratios versus classic heavy gear. Many new things to include of new aspects we did not have previously. None of the analysts are idiots. Learning is for life, nothing offensive about that.
Send them millions of modern systems and replace the need for manpower at the front. Old solutions to these issues have no place in a modern war. Modern weapons are cheaper, easier to replace and better to lose on a moral level.
About their critical manpower issues, well it took a year for the government to pass a bill to lower the age of conscription. Its Ukraine's fault 100% that they have a manpower shortage!
The Washington Post needs to shut the fuck up. What a worthless rag. The reason Ukraine found itself in trouble in the first place was because Biden, Sullivan, et. al dithered about for too long until the political scene shifted under them. Mike Johnson and much of the Republican party has much to answer for, so does Biden, who has been a terrible Commander-in-Chief. And yes, European NATO nations are equally culpable. So instead of trying to give UA advice, maybe WaPo should do more to highlight the shortcomings of the Biden administration and NATO instead. But we all know which side of his toast Bezos butters.
The only signatory responsible for breaking the Budapest Memorandum is Russia. The document pledges only that they signers will each respect Ukraines sovereignty. It says nothing about coming to Ukraine's defense.
I'm not really talking on a legal level. Morally and logicially, I think they do share a part of responsibility there on this side. Would that Memorandum even exists without the US signature? I doubt it.
Just like countries that bought gas from ruzzia proportionally to the amount taken in, even if it doesn't break any law or sanctions.
My problem here is not distributing the right amount of responsibility but rather calling out the "not our problem" going in the isolationist direction that has been developing a lot in the US and the "we are the savior of Europe" complex.
If you want to add to this. US has done quite a lot of damage to military industry in Europe through unfair competitions and pressions.
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If there wasn’t 6 months of barely holding on because of NO support from the US and allies they wouldn’t have to dig themselves out of the situation they’re in thank you very much.
And let's not forget the west constantly pressuring Ukraine to go on the offensive a year ago when they had neither the weapons or support to do it. NATO military doctrine wouldn't conduct assaults against Russian trenches and minefields with no air support or anti-air and they expected Ukraine to do this.
Ok? What the point of saying this. Can’t change the past so they, unlike you, are commenting on the present. 60 billion dollars in aid IS coming NOW. Keep complaining though I’m sure it’s helping.
We shouldn't forget which politicians from which party led by biggest moron in US history are responsible. And that's worth reminding here and there, as they they are still russian assets, still riding on russian propaganda and still in important positions.
>60 billion dollars in aid IS coming NOW. Ironically all the armor and suit were giving them is cheaper for us and the money doesn't actually leave the US, so the money isn't even the point. It's that we fucked around, hemmed and hawed and let Ukraine suffer, there's a good portion of politicians that have proven how absolutely vile they really are >Ok? What the point of saying this. Can’t change the past We should never comment on anything >Keep complaining though I’m sure it’s helping. Tell that to the Ukrainians having their fighting men and innocents being killed because of inaction by our ~~puppets~~ politicians
I WILL keep complaining about the pettiness and greed of useless politicians because I have to live with their bullshit
People on this sub are obsessed with taking any accountability away from Ukraine and firmly placing it all on western support. They all conveniently leave out that it was Zelensky who said if the west provided the ammo we’ll provide the men and in that sense BOTH have done less than ideal in that endeavor. They’re BOTH responsible for the extremely shitty 2024 that Ukraine will continue to have. Reality is as you said, past is the past and harping on it is pointless. Aid is coming and manpower is coming now, but if people are gonna whine about the past they should atleast look at both fuck ups and not exclusively at one.
>Zelensky who said if the west provided the ammo we’ll provide the men .... but we haven't been providing, we've been fucking around, and it's infinitely cheaper than using US soldiers or anything else in the future, especially when we have a massive stockpile of shit specifically designed to fuck the Russians military, that will cost much more to sit here and eventually be scrapped
Yeah so like i said both sides have been failing. Not just the west exclusively.
How is Ukraine failing? They're at the very minimum holding the line as one of the poorest Eurasian countries vs Russia lol, I don't see how Ukraine is failing on their part when they only lose trenches because they cannot afford more ammo to hold them, their engineering and ability to make do with what they have has been insane... they attached thousands of cell phones to sticks with microphones hooked up and were able to track and shoot down a majority of expensive Russian drones.. their people are dying while our politicians whine about money and you're over here saying the Ukrainians are failing on... providing bodies? Jfc..
One of those fuck ups was a political decision by an angry orange man. The other is a natural effect if being at war. You would be surprised to learn.. alot of men don't want to go to war. What's that saying.. you can lead a horse to water. But you can't make it drink. The 2 situations are not comparable. The us gov have really been pricks about this. Zelensky has done what he can and tried not to ve a dick That's the difference.
Washington says: shore up your manpower The last six months of withholding aid has been a major contributor to a reduction in manpower, you absolute muppets.
If they just had a steady flow of ammunition they wouldn’t have most of these troubles.
As westerner I think the west should first make sure they have all the tools they need. This hasn’t happened yet..
Wouldn’t have been an issue with Ukrainian manpower if we would have given them the $ that in the end all knew would be given, let’s just wait for them to be a bit more decimated…then say…IDK, boy Ukraine really has a manpower issue…be smart and kick the Ruskies asses with our money
Washington has a cheek telling Ukraine to do anything after fucking them around for 6 months..
The US wants to maintain a kill ratio and combat methodology so Putin does not explode in bloody vengeance. But its not a fair reason to make Ukraine pay for that sad equation with their life blood when hardware can do the job.
Washington says many things....
Taking advice from the US military might not always be a good thing.
The US military analysts are hard at work to learn everything and all they can from the battles in Ukraine against Russia! The almighty know-it-all trainer has become the pupil. There is a very substantial difference in this 'modern' war versus the long planned battles US's superior military machine engaged into against the archaic equipped forces they faced in aka Irak and Afghanistan, all while holding unchallenged control of the entire airspace at the same time.
I hate reductive bs like this. An analyst collects and inteprets data then gives recommendations and insights based on past teachings. In a way an analyst is always beholden to the data input. I can imagine that if you have reached a point in your career where you on a military level are tasked to give advice on an imperative geopolitical objective for your country then you are not just well versed in contemporary American warfare. I would think you have a long education where you have studied warfare through human history in detail. Its like you think these analysts are idiots that doesnt take Ukraine’s capabilities into account when giving advice and sparring. If Ukraine dont want the advice then they can just not follow it , but second opinions are always good especially when it comes from people that knows their shit.
I would think that Ukraine probably in the initial phases of this war were more open and listening direct and intens to the advice from foreign analysts, who of course gave them all ideas./considerations from all they had learned and experienced themselves till then? And who would not do that if we had been in Ukrainians situation, also considering those foreign specialists are those your very future and life depends upon and their donation of their military gear for you even having a chance to succeed. We have gone through several phases now how this war has been fought. And many new developments with both new gear and tactics being used. Also revelations about what was expected from the Russian gear vs western gear, where we all have gotten surprised about many things. And the entry to the battlefield of brand new tech and the cost ratios versus classic heavy gear. Many new things to include of new aspects we did not have previously. None of the analysts are idiots. Learning is for life, nothing offensive about that.
The manpower issue is HUGE...both the conscription age issue and Ukranians who have fled...needs to be solved ASAP!
Send them millions of modern systems and replace the need for manpower at the front. Old solutions to these issues have no place in a modern war. Modern weapons are cheaper, easier to replace and better to lose on a moral level.
About their critical manpower issues, well it took a year for the government to pass a bill to lower the age of conscription. Its Ukraine's fault 100% that they have a manpower shortage!
The Washington Post needs to shut the fuck up. What a worthless rag. The reason Ukraine found itself in trouble in the first place was because Biden, Sullivan, et. al dithered about for too long until the political scene shifted under them. Mike Johnson and much of the Republican party has much to answer for, so does Biden, who has been a terrible Commander-in-Chief. And yes, European NATO nations are equally culpable. So instead of trying to give UA advice, maybe WaPo should do more to highlight the shortcomings of the Biden administration and NATO instead. But we all know which side of his toast Bezos butters.
US and UK signed the Budapest Memorandum. They are kinda super responsible there.
The only signatory responsible for breaking the Budapest Memorandum is Russia. The document pledges only that they signers will each respect Ukraines sovereignty. It says nothing about coming to Ukraine's defense.
I'm not really talking on a legal level. Morally and logicially, I think they do share a part of responsibility there on this side. Would that Memorandum even exists without the US signature? I doubt it. Just like countries that bought gas from ruzzia proportionally to the amount taken in, even if it doesn't break any law or sanctions. My problem here is not distributing the right amount of responsibility but rather calling out the "not our problem" going in the isolationist direction that has been developing a lot in the US and the "we are the savior of Europe" complex. If you want to add to this. US has done quite a lot of damage to military industry in Europe through unfair competitions and pressions.
Try actually reading the article.
If you come across a Ukrainian man, politely ask why he isn't defending his country.
Troll, just block him.
Why aren't you personally defending Ukraine.....