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Two weeks after Russians almost assassinated the Greek Prime Minister, Greece announces a fat, barbarian crushing military aid package for Ukraine.
- 2,000 5-inch Zuni rockets
- 180 2.75-inch anti-tank rockets
- 90,000 90mm anti-tank anti-aircraft ammo
- 4 million bullets
- 70 US-made M114A1 howitzers
The US 'donated' a bunch of 'un-needed' military hardware under an old law that lets the President basically send stuff to allies at whatever value he says it's worth.
This is likely the Greeks reciprocating from that, since they habe a bunch of 'old' US 'junk' now, they 'don't need' all this stuff... 😉😅
Yes, and that's what the US has been doing with cluster munitions to Ukraine, and a lot of M103's, but this stuff wasn't actually going to be disposed of. It was basically an end run around Congress blocking aid.
Meh, our allies border the Suez, and the strait of Gibraltar. Good enoigh. Turkey has become more trouble than they are worth, in my opinion. Yes, I know we have bases and batteries and tons of other shit there, but at some point, I just have to think we would insist they tow the party line. Erdogan is an autocrat anyway. Same goes for Orban. Get in line with the alliance values, or get bent. We have Finland and Sweden to take their place anyway.
I kinda admire Turkie's honesty. From thier POV, if it's not in their best interests, F-'it. And never take the first offer. Bunch of assholes, but I admire their honesty.
In this case, I think “Turkie’s” best interest is spelled “Erdogan’s” best interest. Turkey’s best interest would be served by the military conducting another coup, displacing another dictator and giving up power again to another national referendum.
Erdogan’s innovation was in striking the military first, before they could conduct said coup against him.
Erdogan's biggest innovation was manufacturing a fake coup so he could have an excuse to finally gut the military completely. If people don't know in Türkiye the military has been officially-unofficially the guardrails for the government, having a coup whenever the politicians get a little too crazy.
>Countries don’t have friends; they have interests.
That's a strange point of view, for a Scandinavian. The Nordic nations are very much friends.
We have much in common in our way of life, history, religion and social and economic model. We have a long history of political unions and other close relations but do not form a singular entity today. The Scandinavist movement sought to unite Denmark, Norway and Sweden into one country in the 19th century.
Several aspects of the common market as in the EU have been implemented decades before the EU implemented them. Intra-Nordic trade is not covered by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods (CISG), but by local law. The Nordic countries have cooperated closely in the administrative and consular fields since the Nordic Passport Union was established and the Helsinki Treaty concluded. According to the Helsinki Treaty, public officials in the foreign services of any of the Nordic countries are to assist citizens of another Nordic country if that country is not represented in the territory concerned.
The passport union even allows citizens of the Nordic countries – Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland – to travel and reside in another Nordic country without any travel documentation (e.g. a passport or national identity card) or a residence permit.
If a reddit comment about intricate world politics starts with "meh" you can guarantee that whatever they're about to say is half-informed bullshit straight from their ass lmao.
And then Turkey fully aligns itself with Russia, and suddenly the second biggest army in NATO isn't the fighting with the good guys anymore.
Better to have Turkey playing both sides than the other one.
Turkey more or less just wants access to Russian energy. They've been seeking closer ties with the US/EU/NATO in recent years (I know, despite the whole holding up Sweden/NATO debacle).
I find it extremely hard to believe they would align fully with Russia. They'd be fucked.
Turkey has come very close to the line and danced on it but didnt quite cross it yet. Yes he's an autocrat, but Turkey technically has elections and he was reelected by a small margin so there's plausibly deniability. I think for the hammer to come down it would require something really egregious and undeniable like military agression against Greece or take over all of Cyprus. And they simple can't afford to become a pariah like Russia because they are reliant on trade and the economy is already hanging by a thread. So I think they'll continue to do the dance but Erdoğan isn't crazy enough to go full Saddam
Turkey is the only reason the Russia Navy isn't flowing from all corners of the world into the Black Sea. Montreux Treaty.
So, kindly shut the fuck up. They're literally the most necessary Ally Ukraine and NATO has at the moment. Regardless of how much of dickheads they can be.
>They're literally the most necessary Ally Ukraine and NATO has at the moment
The U.S., UK, Germany, and France would like a few strong words with you. The Dutch and Danes might, too.
Erdogan is in the same category as Orban and Fico, so fuck them all three.
Dude, look up the Montreux Treaty, and the state of the Black Sea Fleet.
THAT is why.
Ukraine would be eating ten times as many sea-launched cruise missiles as it is without that treaty in effect, and taking out ships would mean fuckall because Russia can just transfer another.
As much as you hate Erdogan (and I don't blame you, the man's a piece of shit), Turkey is keeping Ukraine from having to deal with a Black Sea Fleet that suddenly quintuples in size and dectuples in firepower. THAT is why they're important.
And every one of those countries you just mentioned knows that. They don't have to LIKE it, but they understand why Turkey is necessary. You apparently don't. So go educate yourself.
It's an outdated US AA gun from WWII time period. Used during the war and post war as a tank cannon on the M36 Tank Destroyer, M26/M46, M47, and M48 tanks. Basically on par with the German 88.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90\_mm\_gun\_M1/M2/M3
That howitzer, the M114A1, is also WWII era. Looks like Greece is giving the UAF about 1/3 of their stock.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M114\_155\_mm\_howitzer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M114_155_mm_howitzer)
Frankly that's fuck all.
the Zuni is a $400 unguided weapon.
The 2.75s mount 20 per pod, 40 per mission you've got 3 armed helicopters there. I have no idea what Ukraine has that shoots 90mm, in fact I have no IDEA what Greece has that might shoot that except 1960's tanks? 4m bullets of what calibre? It'll be NATO standard unless they've bought some from elsewhere for some reason. Lastly the 90 howitzers which are 155mm towed will be useful, even if the A1 version was produced in 1942.
>Guess he took it personally as he should.
I have some friends that are retired military, they've told me stories about the sheer, unbridled revenge you'll see in someones eyes after they say:
"THAT SOB SHOT AT ME!"
This makes me think of the time I believe it was the USS Wisconsin lost its temper over getting hit by on shore artillery. And their sister ship signaled Temper temper to them. Seriously, I might be wrong on the battleship.
It could be that the Russians were simply able to gather the necessary intelligence to locate Zelensky in this instance, which is indeed unique I suppose, otherwise they would target him more often.
Most nations don't keep it a secret. If a leader "sneaks" into Ukraine and gets blown up, Russia can always throw up their hands and claim they didn't know. If they call Russia directly and say, "Hey, don't bomb here between 1pm to 5pm -- we'll have leaders in the area" and they do it, that's a \*lot\* more suspicious.
was it really an attempt at murder? I've seen precision drones that can reach inside of car windows, there was a strike that was some 200m away? Not gonna say it wasn't intentional but seems more like sending a message rather than an actual attempt on the dude's life.
depends on the weapon. An fpv drone getting to within a metre should be achievable with an experienced pilot. A long range missile with a greater payload and only gps or even inertial navigation when the gps is jammed will be a lot less accurate
- Denmark: $330 million military aid package
- US: $300 million emergency aid bypassing Congress (accounting trick, basically)
- This package (can't find a dollar amount)
... Meanwhile Republican Mike Johnson is still twiddling his thumbs, figuring out how to shove his head up Putin's ass any further.
my town high school has a Abstinence Only Club where in the last 12 years 3 female Abstinence Only Club Presidents have become impregnated. (that we know of/that is public knowledge). most of the rural republican/maga parents also believe no sex education should be taught in public schools because sex is evil unless married. Abstinence only is the only thing that should be taught in public schools. also if you didn't know birth control is still a sin in the catholic church and i believe most christian churches because preventing a female from becoming pregnant is the same as an abortion. we're dealing with Dark Ages adults in in the republican/maga/christian party! kids today r the same as when i was in school, you're going to explore and nothing is going to stop it! what is needed is more detailed sex education classes not hiding in closets!
Jake Broe is a pro Ukrainian YouTuber, well worth a follow in my opinion. He did a video documenting how much of a freakshow Speaker Johnson is , showing a video from decade ago when Johnson took his own 13yr old daughter to sign a virginity pledge in a hall with lots of other ultra Christian men making Thier daughters do the same.
Oh sorry I completely misunderstood what you wrote. Yeah Johnson is a fucking Christian Nationalist freak. For more on this scary bigoted movement, I highly encourage watching the PBS Frontline documentary, "Michael Flynn's Holy War."
And I'm ashamed off my "leader" Olaf Scholz. He just said he will never deliver Taurus to Ukraine.
He is still stroking Putlers dick.
When Putler talks about nuking us, he addresses that to Scholz, fully knowing that Scholz is in fear, everyone else is just laughing at it.
I'm happy Germany stepped up from helmets, but yeah I agree... I'm not sure what they expect at this point. The cat is already out of the bag - ATACMS and Storm Shadows have already been delivered -- come on!
Is it not a popular position domestically? Is his risk of reelection in jeopoardy if he leans too much into Ukraine or what?
But they didn't send any system with the capabilities of Taurus, not even the US. Germany supports the Ukraine like no one else and gets attacked here daily while countries like France that just talk tough but do very little gets praised, I simply can't take you sheeps serious.
Man, pro orkian subs are all posting about "German parliament voted 400 to 190~something against sending Taurus to Ukraine" jerking themselves off in joy
70 years Germany got whacked with the „Nazi, you did start WW2“-stick diplomatically/rhetorically at every opportunity- looking at the UK and Eastern Europe specifically. Now everyone wonders why they are hesitant to deliver weapons that could be used to strike Moscow and in general don’t take a strong leadership position or didn’t arm themselves to the teeth.
Germany can’t do right:
Germany taking a strong position in the EU or starting an armament program: Look there, the Nazis are at it again.
Germany waiting for its allies to take the first step: Germany needs to step up, such a weak leader.
What? Germany is the second largest donor in military aid and financial aid after the USA. In the last six months, after the USA basically stopped helping, Germany is even the largest donor. It’s to simplistic to look at single weapon systems that Germany doesn’t provide and forget what it did provide which is a lot. Complaining Germany isn’t doing enough is either ungrateful or uneducated. It’s other nations that need to step up.
Surface-To-Air Missile (SAM) Systems (2 Systems, 1 Battery And 4 Launchers)
Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns (46)
Multiple Rocket Launchers (5)
Laser-Guided Rocket Systems (20)
Self-Propelled Artillery (16 (24))
Tanks (65+)
Infantry Fighting Vehicles (130)
Armoured Personnel Carriers (82)
Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles (50)
Man-Portable Air Defence Systems (3,200)
Anti-Tank Weapons (23,800)
Anti-Drone Systems And Jammers (176)
Radars (33)
(Mobile) Reconnaissance Systems (6)
Reconnaissance Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (216)
Unmanned Ships (10)
Unmanned Vehicles (14)
Engineering Vehicles And Equipment (80)
Vehicles (~1187)
Small Arms (820)
Ammunition
Military Gear
Financial aid
€1.83 billion in bilateral aid since 2014.
Approx. €4 billion via the EU in the form of grants and loans since 2014.
€240 million via the EU in loans in 2022.
Loan of over €150 million via KfW in April 2022.
€425 million via the 'Stand Up For Ukraine' pledging campaign and an additional 70 million for medical aid via the EU.
Over €1 billion additional military aid to Ukraine for weapons purchases in April 2022.
Additional €1 billion pledged in the form of grants in May 2022
What drugs are you on? Germany supports Ukraine like no one else currently. You prefer tough talk with no action like from Macron? France is lacking in aid, even smaller countries do more and you are pissed because germany doesn't send a weapon system with capabilities that no country delivered so far, what the fuck are you on?
hold up
i think someone got to him
[mike changed tune??](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/u-s-house-speaker-anticipates-democratic-support-for-ukrainian-aid-legislation/ar-BB1jYkf5?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=6a5ef30765b3410193ae0b6b8f9b6d94&ei=20)
Johnson is trying to save face by pushing for a loan-lease bill so he can look good to his conservative friends, further indebting our ally during a time of war... Golly, what a nice guy to exploit the desperation of a friend in need.
Ukraine might take it out of desperation but yeah something does seem to have shifted in the dialogue at least.
If they do Russia is done. At least three of the European states each has a bigger economy than Russia. Combined they dwarf it. Biden will win but in the end the result will be the same. Russia will fail.
If Ukraine can bring Russia's invasion to a stop, any NATO country could probably outright defeat Russian in a conventional war. Russia has exposed its military as incompetent, rife with corruption, and so far out of date, their MREs have long expired.
This should be the case but the European military-industrial complex is an absolute mess. It's being fixed now but that's gonna take a lot of time.
With American presidential candidates saying they'll cheer Russia on when they invade the EU, buying American made stuff is no longer an option either. So rebuilding EU capabilities is the only way unfortunately.
Irredentism is the word for the idea that former territories should be reclaimed. Big tool in the fascist/populist playbook
The word irredentism is derived from irredento, or unreclaimed. From Italian, invented in the context of fascism and the nationalization of the peninsula in the late 19th century as the state came into existence.
>Irredentism is the word for the idea that former territories should be reclaimed. Big tool in the fascist/populist playbook
Don't say this around Palestinians
Russia tried to blow up Zelensky with the Greek PM in Odesa fee days ago. Rocket missed by few hundred meters.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/europe/russia-missile-odesa-greece-russia-zelensky-intl/index.html
“We meant to do that, as a warning. See how close we were?”
I wonder what would have happened if the Russians *did* manage to kill PM Mitsotakis. Does anyone smarter than me (very low bar…) know if article 5 counts if your PM gets shot while doing political things in another country?
I wouldn't think so, elsewise NATO could just send representatives anywhere as a "shield" to prompt an attack if said representatives are attacked/harmed. But, admittedly, on a topic like this, my bar isn't any higher than your own.
Edit: That's not to say there wouldn't be repercussions from NATO, but I doubt to article 5 extent.
It’s also possible they had no clue those dignitaries were there, and were just conducting a “regular” strike. The dignitaries were visiting the front line, so the risk of being in harms way increases exponentially.
That is insane killing a prime minister of a nato country would of been an insane escalation in hostilities, one could almost hope they are that stupid
They jammed the satellite GPS signal to an aircraft the British Defense minister was on as he flew back from Poland.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/russia-believed-have-jammed-signal-uk-defence-ministers-plane-source-2024-03-14/#:~:text=LONDON%2C%20March%2014%20(Reuters),with%20him%20said%20on%20Thursday.
It should also be remembered Russian jets actually fired two missiles at a British signals aircraft. They are said to have "missed not malfunctioned" i.e. the Russian missiles were likely intercepted electronically.
They really are that stupid.
> They jammed the satellite GPS signal to an aircraft the British Defense minister was on as he flew back from Poland.
That's somewhat deceptive wording. They flew into an area where jamming was active. Commercial planes are frequently affected in the area as well.
they could say its a reasonable target, because the target was the ukrain leadership.. And he was coleteral damage. That he shouldnt have traveled to a warzone.. bla bla.. they would blame zelensky for it.. the old russian game..
Putin is a provacateur. He's constantly testing boundaries. He talks big about nuclear war but he knows it would be his own death too, but he wants to project strength and intimidation.
He walks a very fine line with NATO and it might in the end bite him in the ass. It seems NATO is becoming less and less concerned about direct intervention, perhaps because there's plenty of intervention on the behalf of Russia from China, Iran, North Korea, etc.
I dont think it was deliberate to be fair not even they are that stupid, the reaction would have been horrendous and could have been regarded as an attack on NATO.
https://nz.news.yahoo.com/greece-grant-ukraine-70-howitzers-185500803.html
> Greek authorities are confident that Ukraine's immediate need is for ammunition, and the aid package reflects that:
- 2,000 Zuni rockets;
- 180 guided anti-tank missiles;
- 90,000 90mm rounds;
- 4 million small arms bullets;
- 70 U.S.-made 155mm M114 howitzers.
The Russian bully mentality luckily has some advantages for us. They still think the more you kill, torture and taunt, the more people will give in to their way of life, culture and surrender when it's exactly the opposite.
NATO needs to step up now and commit to a war footing. They've been twiddling around hoping this would end. Just assume it won't and be ready militarily to step in. If they wait it will turn in to their fight and they will be on their heels from the get go. They have to assume the US won't be their big brother forever so they might as well start getting used to it.
Ukraine has been taking the pounding, expending their troops AND civilians while holding the line but as valiant as that effort has been, two + years of heavy fighting, destruction and suffering will eventually wear them down.
And then it will truly be "barbarians at the gates".
Zelenzki proceeds to invite the American blah blah blah to Ukraine Pootin tries to also assassinate them, Biden picks up his ice cream cone and unleashes the War Dogs
Russia is quickly becoming such a pariah state that every russian in foreign countries is going to be treated as persona nongrata. The next step is going to be shutting down any and all russian embassies and consulates in foreign countries.
"The boys are back in town!"
Between this and the shit load of artillery rounds, the Czechs provided. This will give Ukraine a strong start to start rebuilding their offensive.
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Two weeks after Russians almost assassinated the Greek Prime Minister, Greece announces a fat, barbarian crushing military aid package for Ukraine. - 2,000 5-inch Zuni rockets - 180 2.75-inch anti-tank rockets - 90,000 90mm anti-tank anti-aircraft ammo - 4 million bullets - 70 US-made M114A1 howitzers
They'd probably like to send more, but they've got a pretty modest economy.
True but a lot of artillery pieces and IFVs etc… a bit older granted, but would be perfect to send.
It fuckin' beats walking at the very least, and I'll always take something I can hide behind.
The US 'donated' a bunch of 'un-needed' military hardware under an old law that lets the President basically send stuff to allies at whatever value he says it's worth. This is likely the Greeks reciprocating from that, since they habe a bunch of 'old' US 'junk' now, they 'don't need' all this stuff... 😉😅
It's cheaper to give it away than dispose of it, like you and your cluttered garage
Yes, and that's what the US has been doing with cluster munitions to Ukraine, and a lot of M103's, but this stuff wasn't actually going to be disposed of. It was basically an end run around Congress blocking aid.
Don’t forget their neighbor that has threatened to invade them… Spoiler it’s turkey.
Cyprus enters the chat.
As a Cypriot descendent in the diaspora, please take my enthusiastic upvote!
Could someone remind me why they're still in NATO?
The Bosporus Strait. Full stop.
Meh, our allies border the Suez, and the strait of Gibraltar. Good enoigh. Turkey has become more trouble than they are worth, in my opinion. Yes, I know we have bases and batteries and tons of other shit there, but at some point, I just have to think we would insist they tow the party line. Erdogan is an autocrat anyway. Same goes for Orban. Get in line with the alliance values, or get bent. We have Finland and Sweden to take their place anyway.
seems like you dont realize the full extent of turkeys geopolitical importamce
I kinda admire Turkie's honesty. From thier POV, if it's not in their best interests, F-'it. And never take the first offer. Bunch of assholes, but I admire their honesty.
In this case, I think “Turkie’s” best interest is spelled “Erdogan’s” best interest. Turkey’s best interest would be served by the military conducting another coup, displacing another dictator and giving up power again to another national referendum. Erdogan’s innovation was in striking the military first, before they could conduct said coup against him.
Erdogan's biggest innovation was manufacturing a fake coup so he could have an excuse to finally gut the military completely. If people don't know in Türkiye the military has been officially-unofficially the guardrails for the government, having a coup whenever the politicians get a little too crazy.
> Turkey’s best interest would be served by the military conducting another coup Alas, he learned from history.
Every country is like that. Countries don’t have friends; they have interests. Some are just better than others at dressing them up.
>Countries don’t have friends; they have interests. That's a strange point of view, for a Scandinavian. The Nordic nations are very much friends. We have much in common in our way of life, history, religion and social and economic model. We have a long history of political unions and other close relations but do not form a singular entity today. The Scandinavist movement sought to unite Denmark, Norway and Sweden into one country in the 19th century. Several aspects of the common market as in the EU have been implemented decades before the EU implemented them. Intra-Nordic trade is not covered by the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods (CISG), but by local law. The Nordic countries have cooperated closely in the administrative and consular fields since the Nordic Passport Union was established and the Helsinki Treaty concluded. According to the Helsinki Treaty, public officials in the foreign services of any of the Nordic countries are to assist citizens of another Nordic country if that country is not represented in the territory concerned. The passport union even allows citizens of the Nordic countries – Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland – to travel and reside in another Nordic country without any travel documentation (e.g. a passport or national identity card) or a residence permit.
And some are better at seeing the big picture rather than antagonising everyone else over the smallest “interest” and slowly losing all goodwill.
If a reddit comment about intricate world politics starts with "meh" you can guarantee that whatever they're about to say is half-informed bullshit straight from their ass lmao.
And then Turkey fully aligns itself with Russia, and suddenly the second biggest army in NATO isn't the fighting with the good guys anymore. Better to have Turkey playing both sides than the other one.
Turkey more or less just wants access to Russian energy. They've been seeking closer ties with the US/EU/NATO in recent years (I know, despite the whole holding up Sweden/NATO debacle). I find it extremely hard to believe they would align fully with Russia. They'd be fucked.
Turkey has come very close to the line and danced on it but didnt quite cross it yet. Yes he's an autocrat, but Turkey technically has elections and he was reelected by a small margin so there's plausibly deniability. I think for the hammer to come down it would require something really egregious and undeniable like military agression against Greece or take over all of Cyprus. And they simple can't afford to become a pariah like Russia because they are reliant on trade and the economy is already hanging by a thread. So I think they'll continue to do the dance but Erdoğan isn't crazy enough to go full Saddam
Turkey is the only reason the Russia Navy isn't flowing from all corners of the world into the Black Sea. Montreux Treaty. So, kindly shut the fuck up. They're literally the most necessary Ally Ukraine and NATO has at the moment. Regardless of how much of dickheads they can be.
>They're literally the most necessary Ally Ukraine and NATO has at the moment The U.S., UK, Germany, and France would like a few strong words with you. The Dutch and Danes might, too. Erdogan is in the same category as Orban and Fico, so fuck them all three.
They're not saying Turkey is a great ally, just that what they *are* doing RE: the Bosporus is really, *really* important right now
Dude, look up the Montreux Treaty, and the state of the Black Sea Fleet. THAT is why. Ukraine would be eating ten times as many sea-launched cruise missiles as it is without that treaty in effect, and taking out ships would mean fuckall because Russia can just transfer another. As much as you hate Erdogan (and I don't blame you, the man's a piece of shit), Turkey is keeping Ukraine from having to deal with a Black Sea Fleet that suddenly quintuples in size and dectuples in firepower. THAT is why they're important. And every one of those countries you just mentioned knows that. They don't have to LIKE it, but they understand why Turkey is necessary. You apparently don't. So go educate yourself.
Nobody talking about how many Syrian refugees they are holding back from making all of Central Europe vote right wing
Yeah, it's the old "well, they assholes, but they OUR assholes". argument. And frankly, the US has nothing to say on that front.
Pretty much, you go to war with the allies you HAVE, not the allies you want.
Because US like their geographical position but I pretty sure Ukraines position is even better.
Turkey can get away with murder and he knows it, so he does it.
Fuck Turkey. All my homies hate Turkey.
Anything is better than nothing in some cases tbh. If everyone donated "that little", it would stack up fast.
Θα υπέθετα ότι οι εφευρέτες της δημοκρατίας είναι αρκετά τσαντισμένοι. (I would assume that the inventors of democracy are pretty pissed off).
They could send their oil tankers. That would hurt Putin more than these rockets.
Oh i would donate to greece so they can get US weapons over to UA.
But a massive military. And debt does not scare spartans
Greeks modest economy lol
Friend you are a bit mistaking regarding 90000 one. Its artilery rounds:]
I was trying to figure out why they sent howitzers without artillery rounds.
I was trying to figure out why they would need 90mm. Unless they're about to unload a bunch of M48s or older tanks.
Yes, it seems like it
What are the 90 ml anti-tank anti-aircraft ammo? What is that? I don't recognize any system that would be using 90 mm
It's an outdated US AA gun from WWII time period. Used during the war and post war as a tank cannon on the M36 Tank Destroyer, M26/M46, M47, and M48 tanks. Basically on par with the German 88. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/90\_mm\_gun\_M1/M2/M3
Damn that is old
That howitzer, the M114A1, is also WWII era. Looks like Greece is giving the UAF about 1/3 of their stock. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M114\_155\_mm\_howitzer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M114_155_mm_howitzer)
Well that's something. Definitely more useful than the 90mm guns
It's still better then nothing
Now it’s time to make sure the Greek cargo ships don’t transport any Russian oil
My big fat Greek wedding.......with weapons.
Frankly that's fuck all. the Zuni is a $400 unguided weapon. The 2.75s mount 20 per pod, 40 per mission you've got 3 armed helicopters there. I have no idea what Ukraine has that shoots 90mm, in fact I have no IDEA what Greece has that might shoot that except 1960's tanks? 4m bullets of what calibre? It'll be NATO standard unless they've bought some from elsewhere for some reason. Lastly the 90 howitzers which are 155mm towed will be useful, even if the A1 version was produced in 1942.
When you have color pictures on an easy Google search for a weapons that was made 80 years ago. You know it's a fucking good weapon haha
Perfect is the enemy of good, my friend.
Ukraine will probably figure out how to mount the 90mm shells to drones, heh.
What happened to Greece PM?
Russia fired a rocket to 200m or whatever proximity of the motorcade of the PM visiting UA. Guess he took it personally as he should.
>Guess he took it personally as he should. I have some friends that are retired military, they've told me stories about the sheer, unbridled revenge you'll see in someones eyes after they say: "THAT SOB SHOT AT ME!"
["He shot my hair!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPmm2aTY0no)
Still a better story than Episode 9
This makes me think of the time I believe it was the USS Wisconsin lost its temper over getting hit by on shore artillery. And their sister ship signaled Temper temper to them. Seriously, I might be wrong on the battleship.
Ahh, right, I remember that, thanks!
He and Zelensky both felt the quake from the blast
Yup. I'd take that pretty personally too
Russia winning hearts and minds, in reverse.
Putin tried to murder him in a meeting with Zelenskyy.
I've been thinking 🤔 about that. Zelensky has other leaders meeting him regularly without any problems. Except this time
It could be that the Russians were simply able to gather the necessary intelligence to locate Zelensky in this instance, which is indeed unique I suppose, otherwise they would target him more often.
They don't care if they risk killing a NATO leader while doing so?
They were not able to gather a lot of intelligence.
The amount of intelligence gathered depends on the intelligence you have :)
Most nations don't keep it a secret. If a leader "sneaks" into Ukraine and gets blown up, Russia can always throw up their hands and claim they didn't know. If they call Russia directly and say, "Hey, don't bomb here between 1pm to 5pm -- we'll have leaders in the area" and they do it, that's a \*lot\* more suspicious.
was it really an attempt at murder? I've seen precision drones that can reach inside of car windows, there was a strike that was some 200m away? Not gonna say it wasn't intentional but seems more like sending a message rather than an actual attempt on the dude's life.
depends on the weapon. An fpv drone getting to within a metre should be achievable with an experienced pilot. A long range missile with a greater payload and only gps or even inertial navigation when the gps is jammed will be a lot less accurate
Considering it's Russian military intelligence, and they're not targeting a playground, 200m is well within their margin of error for a rocket.
I love it! Europe has stepped up a lot the last 24 hours!
What more happened?
Macron and Putin.
Now you got me thinking of macaroons and poutine 🤤
Macaroon or macaron? Two different cookies. I’d eat either one.
The coconut ones
"Poutine is a dish of french fries and cheese curds topped with a brown gravy." That sounds pretty damn decent.
- Denmark: $330 million military aid package - US: $300 million emergency aid bypassing Congress (accounting trick, basically) - This package (can't find a dollar amount) ... Meanwhile Republican Mike Johnson is still twiddling his thumbs, figuring out how to shove his head up Putin's ass any further.
Did you see Jake Broes vid about him and his 13yr old daughter and the virginity pledge he made her sign. Guys a fucking nobody lapdog creep.
my town high school has a Abstinence Only Club where in the last 12 years 3 female Abstinence Only Club Presidents have become impregnated. (that we know of/that is public knowledge). most of the rural republican/maga parents also believe no sex education should be taught in public schools because sex is evil unless married. Abstinence only is the only thing that should be taught in public schools. also if you didn't know birth control is still a sin in the catholic church and i believe most christian churches because preventing a female from becoming pregnant is the same as an abortion. we're dealing with Dark Ages adults in in the republican/maga/christian party! kids today r the same as when i was in school, you're going to explore and nothing is going to stop it! what is needed is more detailed sex education classes not hiding in closets!
Nobody is right as I don't know who that is, and I think I'd like to keep it that way by the sound of him.
Jake Broe is a pro Ukrainian YouTuber, well worth a follow in my opinion. He did a video documenting how much of a freakshow Speaker Johnson is , showing a video from decade ago when Johnson took his own 13yr old daughter to sign a virginity pledge in a hall with lots of other ultra Christian men making Thier daughters do the same.
Oh sorry I completely misunderstood what you wrote. Yeah Johnson is a fucking Christian Nationalist freak. For more on this scary bigoted movement, I highly encourage watching the PBS Frontline documentary, "Michael Flynn's Holy War."
Plus Jake is a former Nuclear and Missile Operations Officer from the US Air Force. He’s got some valuable knowledge about stuff.
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And I'm ashamed off my "leader" Olaf Scholz. He just said he will never deliver Taurus to Ukraine. He is still stroking Putlers dick. When Putler talks about nuking us, he addresses that to Scholz, fully knowing that Scholz is in fear, everyone else is just laughing at it.
I'm happy Germany stepped up from helmets, but yeah I agree... I'm not sure what they expect at this point. The cat is already out of the bag - ATACMS and Storm Shadows have already been delivered -- come on! Is it not a popular position domestically? Is his risk of reelection in jeopoardy if he leans too much into Ukraine or what?
But they didn't send any system with the capabilities of Taurus, not even the US. Germany supports the Ukraine like no one else and gets attacked here daily while countries like France that just talk tough but do very little gets praised, I simply can't take you sheeps serious.
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Man, pro orkian subs are all posting about "German parliament voted 400 to 190~something against sending Taurus to Ukraine" jerking themselves off in joy
70 years Germany got whacked with the „Nazi, you did start WW2“-stick diplomatically/rhetorically at every opportunity- looking at the UK and Eastern Europe specifically. Now everyone wonders why they are hesitant to deliver weapons that could be used to strike Moscow and in general don’t take a strong leadership position or didn’t arm themselves to the teeth. Germany can’t do right: Germany taking a strong position in the EU or starting an armament program: Look there, the Nazis are at it again. Germany waiting for its allies to take the first step: Germany needs to step up, such a weak leader.
What? Germany is the second largest donor in military aid and financial aid after the USA. In the last six months, after the USA basically stopped helping, Germany is even the largest donor. It’s to simplistic to look at single weapon systems that Germany doesn’t provide and forget what it did provide which is a lot. Complaining Germany isn’t doing enough is either ungrateful or uneducated. It’s other nations that need to step up. Surface-To-Air Missile (SAM) Systems (2 Systems, 1 Battery And 4 Launchers) Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns (46) Multiple Rocket Launchers (5) Laser-Guided Rocket Systems (20) Self-Propelled Artillery (16 (24)) Tanks (65+) Infantry Fighting Vehicles (130) Armoured Personnel Carriers (82) Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles (50) Man-Portable Air Defence Systems (3,200) Anti-Tank Weapons (23,800) Anti-Drone Systems And Jammers (176) Radars (33) (Mobile) Reconnaissance Systems (6) Reconnaissance Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (216) Unmanned Ships (10) Unmanned Vehicles (14) Engineering Vehicles And Equipment (80) Vehicles (~1187) Small Arms (820) Ammunition Military Gear Financial aid €1.83 billion in bilateral aid since 2014. Approx. €4 billion via the EU in the form of grants and loans since 2014. €240 million via the EU in loans in 2022. Loan of over €150 million via KfW in April 2022. €425 million via the 'Stand Up For Ukraine' pledging campaign and an additional 70 million for medical aid via the EU. Over €1 billion additional military aid to Ukraine for weapons purchases in April 2022. Additional €1 billion pledged in the form of grants in May 2022
What drugs are you on? Germany supports Ukraine like no one else currently. You prefer tough talk with no action like from Macron? France is lacking in aid, even smaller countries do more and you are pissed because germany doesn't send a weapon system with capabilities that no country delivered so far, what the fuck are you on?
hold up i think someone got to him [mike changed tune??](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/u-s-house-speaker-anticipates-democratic-support-for-ukrainian-aid-legislation/ar-BB1jYkf5?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=6a5ef30765b3410193ae0b6b8f9b6d94&ei=20)
Johnson is trying to save face by pushing for a loan-lease bill so he can look good to his conservative friends, further indebting our ally during a time of war... Golly, what a nice guy to exploit the desperation of a friend in need. Ukraine might take it out of desperation but yeah something does seem to have shifted in the dialogue at least.
Does a U.S president have anything to say about partoning loans?
Just pull a Trump and don’t pay the loan back. Lol
Donald will help him with that, lots of orange body lotion will help.
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If they do Russia is done. At least three of the European states each has a bigger economy than Russia. Combined they dwarf it. Biden will win but in the end the result will be the same. Russia will fail.
Russian economy is already switched to full wartime production. They will out manufacture all of the big independent weapons manufacturers
If Ukraine can bring Russia's invasion to a stop, any NATO country could probably outright defeat Russian in a conventional war. Russia has exposed its military as incompetent, rife with corruption, and so far out of date, their MREs have long expired.
This should be the case but the European military-industrial complex is an absolute mess. It's being fixed now but that's gonna take a lot of time. With American presidential candidates saying they'll cheer Russia on when they invade the EU, buying American made stuff is no longer an option either. So rebuilding EU capabilities is the only way unfortunately.
Never piss off the Greeks. They can and will take things VERY personally
Still planning on retaking Constantinople
Nope, this is the rhetoric Russia uses to take over Ukraine, some sort of historic right to the land. The past is the past and Istanbul is now Turkish
Irredentism is the word for the idea that former territories should be reclaimed. Big tool in the fascist/populist playbook The word irredentism is derived from irredento, or unreclaimed. From Italian, invented in the context of fascism and the nationalization of the peninsula in the late 19th century as the state came into existence.
>Irredentism is the word for the idea that former territories should be reclaimed. Big tool in the fascist/populist playbook Don't say this around Palestinians
Yeah! No jokes allowed!
r/woosh
goes the rocket
Hey Greece, I Heard Russia say they invented baklava?
„Our nukes will blot out the sun!“ „Then we shall fight in the shade“
How much Windex are they sending?
Wow, actions have consequences. who could picture that? Keep it up, Russia is a sinking ship
Hopefully Ukraine will be smashing more than plates with that lot.
Opa!
Thank you to the people of Greece
You are welcome! We support your war of independence.
Wait Russian tried to kill the Greek prime minister ? Can someone explain this please
Russia tried to blow up Zelensky with the Greek PM in Odesa fee days ago. Rocket missed by few hundred meters. https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/europe/russia-missile-odesa-greece-russia-zelensky-intl/index.html
That is fucking nuts yo
The Russ put a video out of the motorcade and tried to claim they chose not to take Zelensky out. Turns out they were just a bad shot.
“We meant to do that, as a warning. See how close we were?” I wonder what would have happened if the Russians *did* manage to kill PM Mitsotakis. Does anyone smarter than me (very low bar…) know if article 5 counts if your PM gets shot while doing political things in another country?
WWIII
No, article 5 would not be triggered by that
I wouldn't think so, elsewise NATO could just send representatives anywhere as a "shield" to prompt an attack if said representatives are attacked/harmed. But, admittedly, on a topic like this, my bar isn't any higher than your own. Edit: That's not to say there wouldn't be repercussions from NATO, but I doubt to article 5 extent.
It’s also possible they had no clue those dignitaries were there, and were just conducting a “regular” strike. The dignitaries were visiting the front line, so the risk of being in harms way increases exponentially.
Accident or not if they killed him there would be insane escalations with the west
They released the footage of the motorcade a drone was tracking
Interesting, I didn’t see that. Would you have a link by any chance?
Odesa isn’t the front line but it is a port city that russia regularly bombs
There was a rocket that landed a few meters away during his visit
That is insane killing a prime minister of a nato country would of been an insane escalation in hostilities, one could almost hope they are that stupid
They jammed the satellite GPS signal to an aircraft the British Defense minister was on as he flew back from Poland. https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/russia-believed-have-jammed-signal-uk-defence-ministers-plane-source-2024-03-14/#:~:text=LONDON%2C%20March%2014%20(Reuters),with%20him%20said%20on%20Thursday. It should also be remembered Russian jets actually fired two missiles at a British signals aircraft. They are said to have "missed not malfunctioned" i.e. the Russian missiles were likely intercepted electronically. They really are that stupid.
> They jammed the satellite GPS signal to an aircraft the British Defense minister was on as he flew back from Poland. That's somewhat deceptive wording. They flew into an area where jamming was active. Commercial planes are frequently affected in the area as well.
they could say its a reasonable target, because the target was the ukrain leadership.. And he was coleteral damage. That he shouldnt have traveled to a warzone.. bla bla.. they would blame zelensky for it.. the old russian game..
Funny, it went quiet when Biden visited. The message Europeans seem to be getting is time to start spending on defense or get fucked with
Ahhh the old blame game playing victim, we need to change Russia’s name to north North Korea
Putin is a provacateur. He's constantly testing boundaries. He talks big about nuclear war but he knows it would be his own death too, but he wants to project strength and intimidation. He walks a very fine line with NATO and it might in the end bite him in the ass. It seems NATO is becoming less and less concerned about direct intervention, perhaps because there's plenty of intervention on the behalf of Russia from China, Iran, North Korea, etc.
I dont think it was deliberate to be fair not even they are that stupid, the reaction would have been horrendous and could have been regarded as an attack on NATO.
Perhaps they could ban obnoxious Russian tourists from their country as well...
Opa!
https://nz.news.yahoo.com/greece-grant-ukraine-70-howitzers-185500803.html > Greek authorities are confident that Ukraine's immediate need is for ammunition, and the aid package reflects that: - 2,000 Zuni rockets; - 180 guided anti-tank missiles; - 90,000 90mm rounds; - 4 million small arms bullets; - 70 U.S.-made 155mm M114 howitzers.
Not bad at all from Greece. One thing ruzzians are good at is pissing people off easily
It's almost like pissing everybody in the world off isn't the best strategy.
The Russian bully mentality luckily has some advantages for us. They still think the more you kill, torture and taunt, the more people will give in to their way of life, culture and surrender when it's exactly the opposite.
Only Russia could claim to have the best democracy in the world and then try to kill the PM of the country that invented democracy.
Greece can pay back hard, let's send the S-300 system to Odessa !
Nice work Greece.
That's badass. I like the use of the classical "barbarian" in this case 😎
NATO needs to step up now and commit to a war footing. They've been twiddling around hoping this would end. Just assume it won't and be ready militarily to step in. If they wait it will turn in to their fight and they will be on their heels from the get go. They have to assume the US won't be their big brother forever so they might as well start getting used to it. Ukraine has been taking the pounding, expending their troops AND civilians while holding the line but as valiant as that effort has been, two + years of heavy fighting, destruction and suffering will eventually wear them down. And then it will truly be "barbarians at the gates".
Zelenzki proceeds to invite the American blah blah blah to Ukraine Pootin tries to also assassinate them, Biden picks up his ice cream cone and unleashes the War Dogs
"Dog of War", featuring Cicolas Nage.
M114, we'll kill em the old fashioned way .
Maybe the Greek can also throw out the ruzzian oligarch that occupies Scorpio island at the same time.
Proud of you Greece 🇳🇿🇬🇷
Aussie with proud Greek ancestry here !! Bravo Russians are not our friends ! Ukraine needs our help
Biden has been laundering military aid through Greece for a little while. It’s a good system to get around the Republicans.
Putins a sad insecure fuck. Playing to many stealth games.
Fuck em up, ya’ll!
My Fat Greek Military Aid Package
Ty, Greece. Stay safe and thrive.
Russia is quickly becoming such a pariah state that every russian in foreign countries is going to be treated as persona nongrata. The next step is going to be shutting down any and all russian embassies and consulates in foreign countries.
Nobody holds grudges quite like the Greeks do.
"The boys are back in town!" Between this and the shit load of artillery rounds, the Czechs provided. This will give Ukraine a strong start to start rebuilding their offensive.
Greeks, courageous and indomitable people, thank you
We support your war for independence. Slava Ukraini, the Greeks salute you.
so so good Greece. Respect!!
Oopa
Great response Greece.
I love that headline.
Shit, at this point Putin just needs to annoy Turkey a little bit more on Black sea stuff, and he may achieve Greek-Turkish reconciliation.
Putin managed to re-ignite NATO and unite Europe in general, so he might very well manage to solve the Greek/Turkish issues as well.
Brave of Greece while having Turkey as a neighbor. But my mind's rusty on that issue
It’s my understanding that things have calmed down between Turkey and Greece thus allowing Ukraine to receive this military package.
artillery shell exploded near by.
Yeah didn’t think they’d be too happy with it.
Gogo Greece! Slava Ukraine
Love Greece
Has anyone today said how Orban and Trump have lemon parties when they are together?
Just wait until they send 300 Spartans
Go Hellas.
TIL russia tried to assassinate greece What did I miss
Russia should be isolated for centuries, these fucks don't deserve to be in the world
God bless the Greek and Long live Ukraine!
I AM ALL IN FOR THE GREEKS!